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Bucky Brooks joins Marcellus Wiley and Emmanuel Acho to discuss Terrell Owens' criticism on the NFL Hall of Fame Process. Hear why Bucky has an issue with Terrell Owens' criticism.
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@SpeakOnFS1 3 года назад

Is Terrell Owens' criticism of Hall of Fame process?

@JDragonweezy 3 года назад

yea it’s valid

@nickx4576 3 года назад

The subject question is incomplete. Finish the question

@nickx4576 3 года назад

I 1000% agree with T.O. Honestly Calvin is not a 1st ballot in my opinion. He was good, just didn't play enough years for me. He was good though.

@marcusmaxwell9487 3 года назад

T.O Right

@marcusmaxwell9487 3 года назад

@James Burress facts just edit numbers like Marcellus said

@FurdgeBJJ 3 года назад

I don’t care how you slice it Terrell Owen should have been a first ballot hall of famer

@tyrannosaurus696 3 года назад

100%, but Shannon Sharpe was third ballot. HoF is a popularity contest, just like Pro Bowls.

@rdogletree4543 3 года назад

Definitely, we know everyone can't get in first ballot depending on your class and who's eligible when your time comes. But T.O. should've never had to wait. It's definitely a popularity contest from people that's never played a down of football. Some of them wouldn't know a great player of their life depended on it.

@realrap2449 3 года назад

Facts

@nitro662raw8 3 года назад

No question!!!

@yung007jr 3 года назад

@@tyrannosaurus696 T.O was a better receiver then shannon sharpe was a tight end

@TheDCGuitar13 3 года назад

Terrell is right though. Is it the hall of media favorites or the hall of fame?

@iamking_nell 3 года назад

Media favorites.

@chrismiller755 3 года назад

Exactly

@SportsSpeak73 3 года назад

He's not though. Calvin's career numbers may not track cuz his career was short but he holds a season recieving record. A record he had to beat Jerry Rice to get if I recall. That said, TO should've gotten in 1st ballot, 2nd at the latest.

@jeremybstudentpilot5315 3 года назад

TO is being emotional. He doesnt want to go yet he glady accepted his jacked. You cant have it both ways.

@iamking_nell 3 года назад

@@jeremybstudentpilot5315 he accepted his jacket caused he earned it

@Pluto24 3 года назад

“Joe Namath is in the hall of fame, and I’m not taking a shot at Joe Namath I’m gonna take a shot at these numbers” 😂😂

@jyu467 3 года назад

Joe Namath legitimized the AFL when everyone viewed it as a 2nd class league. You can't tell the story of the NFL without Joe Namath.

@Manny-nm8dh 3 года назад

@@jyu467 So it's less about numbers and more about popularity. If he's in then Eli Manning Is a shoe in.

@rdogletree4543 3 года назад

Namath belongs, it was normal for QBs to throw alot of Ints back then. There weren't many check down passes back then. Terry Bradshaw had a season of 6 TDs 24 Ints and got in. And during their time those guys were considered elite. The game is so much more developed now to where if they played today they would put up better numbers.

@jyu467 3 года назад

@@Manny-nm8dh Eli will probably make it in someday, same with Big Ben. Rivers is the tricky one. His numbers are better than both Eli and Big Ben, but I think you can tell the story of the NFL without him.

@nickjames1496 3 года назад

@@rdogletree4543 that's the point they shouldn't be in there bro.

@alexj1176 3 года назад

He should have been 1st ballot. Period. He’s not letting the fact they tried to discredit him slide and I don’t blame him. That man put in plenty work. It’s not a popularity contest last I checked. But that’s just me tho🤷🏽‍♂️

@brianjungen4059 3 года назад

Actually it is a popularity contest....

@XxGodIsBlackXx 3 года назад

@@brianjungen4059 it is not. It’s about your resume. Most ppl that get black balled are because the people who vote don’t like how they operate off the field.

@brianjungen4059 3 года назад

@@XxGodIsBlackXx you’re wrong. If off the field stuff played into it, explain how guys like LT and Charles Haley are in the Hall. They are horrible people and still there.

@adgee5401 3 года назад

@@brianjungen4059 they changed the rules to include off the field right before TO came up for eligibility. This information is literally out there.

@KavalierKhalil 3 года назад

This is all about Owens, as usual....and he tried to use Wayne and Holt when he really was talking about himself. Narcissistic bait-and-switch.

@hanniefrei 3 года назад

When the sentence starts with.. "No disrespect But.." 😂

@parawill7074 3 года назад

He was trying to say that his remarks are strictly about the process and not the player. Why is Johnson getting in 1st ballot when other WRs with comparable numbers and more playoff success have been waiting is what TO was trying to explain.

@IsmokeHiphopLive 3 года назад

lol

@bigmassive69 3 года назад

"Does hockey even have one? They just go to Wayne's Gretzky's house."- Wiley 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@marcusmaxwell9487 3 года назад

T.O 100% right

@tonyperez2204 3 года назад

yes, but you can't put other players down!!

@rdogletree4543 3 года назад

@@tonyperez2204 Right, Calvin was a beast every year he played, it took T.O. about 4 seasons for anyone to know who he was. Once he broke through he was as good as it got. But Calvin was the man by year 2 and Charles Woodson even said he feared Megatron.

@DG704eastside 3 года назад

@@tonyperez2204 When did he put someone down?

@yung007jr 3 года назад

@@rdogletree4543 maybe because he was playing beside Jerry rice🤷🏿‍♂️

@kbtwofour6083 3 года назад

This is probably one of the most interesting segments I've ever seen about the hall of fame. Even more so than when TO was on undisputed. Very entertaining to see how objectivity and subjectively can be helpful and hurtful on both sides.

@bambam6537 3 года назад

How did Bill cowher get in before jimmy Johnson and Tom Flores?...the disrespect for Tom Flores has been embarrassing

@busydem6161 3 года назад

I agree He lost what 5 afc championships games. 3 or four of them were at home. He underachieved with those Steeler teams he had. And I believe the Seattle team they beat was robbed. Speaking of Lynn Swann, it’s time and long over due for Clifford Branch wide receiver of the Oakland Raiders to get into the hall of fame.

@tonyrivera3240 3 года назад

I wish I had a friend like T.O dude keep it too real

@hardworkingcriminal4873 3 года назад

@tony rivera CTFU ok if you think Owens is concerned w/anyone other than himself I've not seen such a display. I'll stick w/my high character group of friends who I've seen where they're heart lies.

@HISHAM931 3 года назад

Dudes biggest problem was his mouth. Guy is just so oblivious.

@fakephoenixprince 3 года назад

Truth can ruin your friendship. 🤷🏿‍♂️

@forzaacmilan36 3 года назад

@@HISHAM931 Inter fans🤦🏾‍♂️

@michaeldonaway2359 3 года назад

That got it wrong with TO and that's real

@trevorastewart 3 года назад

Everything after Wiley brought up Namath was good. Is Brandon cooks a hall of famer?” 😂😂 segment was both insightful and Hilarious

@dexterroberts631 3 года назад

Joe Namath is not a hall of famer.

@dmckelva1 3 года назад

This was actually pretty refreshing. Quality points, dialogue and counter arguments.

@sidneysaxton9620 3 года назад

TO is 1 of the most complete receivers of all time. Michael Irvin is 1 of the most clutch receivers of all time. Michael Irvin is 1 of the greatest team captains/leaders too. On the field. Not off the field.

@demarcusmoody4919 3 года назад

U sound like skip bayless

@sidneysaxton9620 3 года назад

@@demarcusmoody4919 Even Skip be right sometimes. Irving was also the best player/leader for the Canes back in the 80's. 1 of his greatest attributes.

@erikpuka2627 3 года назад

Jerry Rice has 2 Hall of Fame careers

@oscartrusty1855 3 года назад

I’m with Acho 100% , the standard to get into the league needs to be objective not subjective, because true greatness can never be questioned.

@gregorylagrange 3 года назад

But it doesn't account for rule changes that inflate offensive numbers. Letting sports writers have most of the say will always make jealousy, envy, and personal biases a motivating factor in who they decide should get in.

@austinwarren2286 3 года назад

@@gregorylagrange Would you agree with players and coaches that played them voting? I also don’t like the fact that it’s media voting. Just like fans voting for pro bowls, popularity contests

@gregorylagrange 3 года назад

@@austinwarren2286 It would help if players had some input and media members had less. But you'd never get away from personal biases because some former players can be just as envious as media members can be due to how much players used to get paid versus now. Or just from a standpoint of a different social atmosphere where a player is going to exert more control over his life and career today than they would before. And also players aren't that dedicated to keeping up with players who are outside of their own playing era as people think they are. It's normal for once a player retires, they hardly watch the sport they play. But one thing that could make it better that is currently changing is more athletes are finding their way into media after they retire. Because if you want to get right down to it, the two sides of the equation have been mostly white men who wished they could play deciding on the future of mostly black men who can play. And the "know your place" dynamic still applied. And what was used to keep somebody like Terrell Owens out many times gets flipped to describe another player who looked like the media members as, "he's quite a character".

@barak-rocky-giles2081 3 года назад

"Rodney Harrison" Everybody: Looks down... lol

@iamking_nell 3 года назад

Bruh that was hilarious 😂

@barak-rocky-giles2081 3 года назад

@@iamking_nell Facts!!!

@RC-ld3cn 3 года назад

Rodney Harrison was considered a dirty player.

@barak-rocky-giles2081 3 года назад

@@RC-ld3cn And the fact that he got caught juicing didn't help his credibility either.

@paralleluniverse99 3 года назад

@@barak-rocky-giles2081 Juicing in the NFL? No way!

@cjmitch1989 3 года назад

So when is Chad Johnson getting in his numbers are ridiculous

@4dhumaninstrumentality789 3 года назад

@Cody Hess Wes Welker is sad case. Chad and Steve Smith are great to, no doubt. I loved watching them growing up. Still though, to spend basically your entire career with the two greatest QB’s of all time and you happened to show up during both of their refractory periods. That’s a hard pill to swallow. I guess that happened to Chad as well now that I think about it.

@brotherLee340 3 года назад

Chad got good numbers but it's still a few other WR not in with better numbers than Chad. He probably will get in eventually but it will be a while.

@brotherLee340 3 года назад

@WorldFlex true but can't just let anybody in. Gotta be a process. It's always gone get tricky when you get to those borderline players.

@finalflash6074 3 года назад

I feel like Chad and Steve Smith won't make it. There on the cusp I think like McNabb or players like that. I feel if they had at least 1 Superbowl win they would get in eventually

@Dres_Anatomy 3 года назад

@Cody Hess Maybe, i dont think so though. Smitty's top 10 in yards & 12th in receptions i think. TD'S may hinder him but other than that..

@rhema.ethompson3032 3 года назад

Man one of the best episodes ever!!!

@JoseRodriguez-uk6id 3 года назад

I like that acho formula with a lil changes

@freddyvidz 3 года назад

Great idea and they should use it. Adjust it some, but a transparent formula is needed.

@erikpuka2627 3 года назад

He should have used some more playoff stats other than just who won Superbowls.For.ex -1 point for a playoff TD and 3 points if you have 1000 yards/100 rec in playoffs.Then 2 pts if you have a Superbowl TD and then some for yards.And then some for awards such as SB MVP or OFPOTY.And also some for all decade teams.I believe the Post season should have more impact on whether a player gets in or not.Right now they only value the reg season.Julian Edelman isnt and wont be in the HOF but his Post season numbers are HOF Caliber.QBs are judged im playoffs too-I believe other players also should

@private-nobody6667 3 года назад

I would take super bowl off the list, it penalizes the greats that didn't make it there to no fault of a player who is a small part of the outcome.

@mpg3946 3 года назад

Best discussion. Just loved the energy everyone brought.

@erickmendoza693 3 года назад

I like Acho takes except Jimmy and Gronk because Gronk is known as a great blocker not only fro his TD and receptions

@twodogs5395 3 года назад

Jimmy Graham just a 6'7" basketball player catching TDs 10 feet in the air in the red zone. He was terrible everywhere else on the field. Gronk best blocker of his decade and deadliest receiver on the whole field.

@otn9225 3 года назад

Jimmy Graham is a big receiver. Gronk is a complete TE who's a beast as a blocker

@iamking_nell 3 года назад

Nah. When he tried to get paid like a WR that was knocked down. He’s listed as a TE. By the logic should Kamara & CMC be called WRs or RBs cause they have more receptions than some receivers

@otn9225 3 года назад

@@iamking_nell 🤦🏽‍♂️ obviously he's a tight end... My point is he does not have the skill set of a complete tight end which is why I said he's a big receiver. To only compare their receiving totals is lazy since that's only a fraction of what is required of the position

@Bud-ry5zf 3 года назад

@@otn9225 you’re absolutely right! Jimmy graham was basically a big wr! Gronk did the exact same thing graham did but also spent half his time being a dominant blocker!

@waynejeffery6995 3 года назад

Acho man u lost me disrespecting Irvin u must be snorting the stuff Irvin was on

@deanbenford7363 3 года назад

Calvin Johnson came in when the offensive numbers were drastically inflated and the lions were garbage most of that time (useless stats in garbage time). Reggie Wayne and Torry Holt had to share the field with other all time greats like Marvin Harrison and Isaac Bruce and both of those guys have super bowl rings as major contributing players to those super bowls.

@k-ri2023 3 года назад

Reggie Wayne and CJ basically played in the same time period of inflating numbers and Holts Rams were a head of their time with the passing game and was throwing at an insane rate. Also, having a great on the other side of the ball helps not hurts. This isn't basketball where another player is taking away shots from you but opening the door so you face less bracketed coverage and become a more attractive open for a QB to throw too. Neither guy would've been better than CJ on the Lions but CJ would've been better in their situation because one if you single coverage CJ you're asking for trouble in ways neither guy can give you. Those guys are great but still lucky to have the support that allowed them to see single coverage and play free with functional QBs. As far as winning and loses none of these wideouts are responsible for the entire infrastructure of a roster. CJ went out in NOLA and dropped 200 yards and the defense collapsed in a playoff game and last I checked this ain't high school there was never a time he could play FS or DE.

@nickx4576 3 года назад

Bucky makes a great point. Once you're in, you're in.

@idlereport 3 года назад

No man its levels to this 1st ballot it's more accumennce .man put in the work ain't no way he should be 3 and megetran at 1

@Marc-bj6sb 3 года назад

For the argument between Rob Gronkowski and Jimmy Graham; while the total TDs and catches are similar the number of games played 169 (Graham) vs 131 (Gronk) isn’t mentioned.

@ProfessorLyrics 3 года назад

I feel you but Gronk’s impact is greater on a game

@Marc-bj6sb 3 года назад

@@ProfessorLyrics you’re not wrong, I always thought Gronk was more dominant. What I was saying is he’s cherry picking numbers to draw parallels between the two. If you’re going to use numbers, present all of them. Gronk was far more effective when on the field vs Jimmy Graham if you look at All the numbers.

@Verskil1412 3 года назад

If only Gronk wasn't injured most of his career

@yahshuashannonchrist5233 3 года назад

Great topic!

@DeeboX-vv8ji 3 года назад

T.O. is a top 3 WR in NFL HISTORY, I think that qualifies as 1st ballot HOF🤔🤫

@chrisnobs86 3 года назад

Idk about Calvin making it first ballot, He deserves to be there tho. But Larry Fitz better be first ballot as well!!

@sammyjr6989 3 года назад

There should be no first ballot, second ballot. You either met the requirements therefore you are in or you're not. It should not be based on who else is going in.

@byronbyers7755 3 года назад

This was one of their best episodes

@lets_play_a_game268 3 года назад

5:45 "this should be a VERY VERY hard process to get into." (hall of fame) But Calvin Johnson gets in the 1st millisecond his nomination goes up.🤣🤣🤣🙄🙄gtfoh. Terrel right

@blackheart8353 3 года назад

This has to be one of my favorite segments of this show.

@KQGMAN 3 года назад

This debate was hilarious! 😂🤣 They all made some good points. Imo, TO should be in there.

@FGPlus 3 года назад

Hes there but he had to wait

@KQGMAN 3 года назад

@@FGPlus Oh, I thought he didn’t get in yet. Thanks for telling me that.

@brianjungen4059 3 года назад

@@FGPlus oh wah...Art Monk had three Super Bowl rings and retired as the all time leading receiver and had to wait a decade to get in. TO is just a whiny child.

@FGPlus 3 года назад

@@brianjungen4059 that just proves TO point

@Verskil1412 3 года назад

@@FGPlus It proves his point of how the hall of fame is broken, but he be bitchin about it too much every single year, even tho he has a valid point, bitchin about it every year is kinda tiring and overdone. Like do something about it talk to some guys who are on the panel. Bec. He did it the media route where he put the hall of fame on blast but it didnt work

@rdogletree4543 3 года назад

Acho has lost his mind saying Michael Irvin shouldn't be in the HOF, smh.

@mr.castle 3 года назад

And the he doubled down comparing Graham to Gronk. He lost his mind. 🤣

@carmeloeverhart6377 3 года назад

Like he said put your feelings in your pocket and check the numbers and I love Michael Irvin but numbers don’t lie

@mr.castle 3 года назад

@@carmeloeverhart6377 Numbers DO lie. You can't tell me graham with his "similar" numbers to Gronk had the same impact and even eye test would say who the best overall player was, clearly.

@mr.castle 3 года назад

@catonic NUMBERS do Lie. Specially in football. Lots of players end up having "great" numbers in a blowout loss. Because the winning team start playing certain way to allow a few plays but not the big plays. Or when a player in a losing team in the NBA finishes with 25ppg 11rebs but his team won 15 games. Foolish to think numbers tell the whole story of the game.

@Mr10before9 3 года назад

@@mr.castle you do lie, if you think Jimmy Graham was getting his numbers from his teams playing from behind. Nah, Jimmy G was right there on level with Rob Gronkowski...the only differences between them was what team they played for.

@XxD3ADHUNTERxX 3 года назад

These HOF judges need know some of these HOF players have skeleton in their closet that haven't been found yet.

@kamoflawedhawg535 3 года назад

Yooo this was a GREAT debate! The Jimmy Graham thing raised my eyebrow 😅

@sgcraig2430 3 года назад

That’s a bad comparison Gronk is an all time level blocker while Jimmy graham was more of a flex te/receiver

@bobnob1376 3 года назад

Jimmy never had the post season succees of gronk either

@chrisharris7903 3 года назад

Lmao on that last raid fire bit 😂😂😂

@user-bo5zz9er9i 3 года назад

Set-Up interview..🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣, I'm dying pls help me 😂😂😂😂😂

@diqmaestro 3 года назад

Great debate right there.

@magnoliamike 3 года назад

I giveTerrell Owens much respect for taking on the Hall of Fame and him being skeptical and his criticisms About their inductee practices and who gets the weight and who gets in first ballot

@mribbon89 3 года назад

I just used Acho's metric on Sterling Sharpe's numbers and he has 74 points which is more than Calvin Johnson. Sharpe only played 7 years. STERLING SHARPE SHOULD BE IN THE HALL OF FAME!!!! But we already knew that.

@freddyvidz 3 года назад

I was going to do that as soon as the video was over. Thank you for proving what I already thought.

@kashwavey1681 3 года назад

Like this topic!!!

@stupidrules1000 3 года назад

All you need to know about the pro football hall of fame: Art Monk.

@youstupidfoo565 3 года назад

That was a bad man right there!!! Art Monk was basically going back and forth in stats with Jerry Rice.

@evillamar372 3 года назад

😂😂😂 Marcellus face when Acho said Michael Irvin not a Hall of Famer.

@JDragonweezy 3 года назад

def valid

@blackurustrikes2328 3 года назад

The problem with the Hall is there a fixed maximum number of new people added to the Hall while the number of potential inductees are backlogged from the many prior years of many former great players. Also, changes to the game changes how we view greatness. Many of the older decision makers are going to want to get their heroes and contemporaries in, especially those who may be near their end days. These issues add subjectivity where by some are looking for reasons to NOT yet allow more recent players in.

@austinwarren2286 3 года назад

EXACTLY!!! Wonderful take! I would much prefer there either being an expansion on the number of inductees or simply no restrictions at all once the list is down to semi finalists. Idk about you but I would love seeing a class of 8-10 if they all definitely deserve it rather than watching 10 legends every year wait only to be told “not this year”

@austinwarren2286 3 года назад

IMO I have always had an obsession with WRs and DBs. There are a ton of them that deserve to get in and so many more still to become eligible. It’s bs when just because 3 of the same position make semifinals that the votes work against each other

@HK_VISIONN 3 года назад

In my opinion they should use a metric system (adding some ratios numbers which shows quality instead of only straight numbers which shows quantity) counting for 80% for the objectivity, and the 20% remaining should be by vote for a slice of subjectivity. This could be a really good mix of both. This segment was great. HoF and C. David Baker should watch it and think about it.

@jamessaringer7450 3 года назад

How about negative and positive points for quality of team and quarterback. Let me put in Andre Johnson? Scrub qbs all his career

@damitrimoore 3 года назад

No need. His longevity would counter it. Maybe an extra point for repeat achievements

@jamessaringer7450 3 года назад

@@damitrimoore he played 13 years, over 14,000 receiving yards, and can you name a good qb he had during his peak? Dude was a monster and I’m not even a Huston fan. One of my favorite wide receivers

@damitrimoore 3 года назад

@@jamessaringer7450 Schaub was solid for like 2 seasons lol. But Johnson doesn't need a special rule he's in the clear.

@jamessaringer7450 3 года назад

@@damitrimoore bruh better be. Man doesn’t talk much but shows out and the hall of fame likes to over look players like him. Matt was a scrub to 😂

@APDaBaron 3 года назад

Steve Smith too...His best QB was Cam Newton in year 13 or so...Kerry Collins over most of his career. Jake Delhomme?

@NoLabelNoLimit 3 года назад

That metric is 🔥🔥🔥

@IsHeARealOneVadaRealMC 3 года назад

I love T.O man.... gotta love em! And he is exactly the same as when he played, honest and not out of line. Just honest. I rocks with T.O

@KeefChief_ 3 года назад

I respect acho because his arguments always remain consistent

@marcusbelanger3489 3 года назад

I’m with T.O. on this one

@factor2634 3 года назад

I like watching guys enjoying their jobs lol !!

@newrecruit100 3 года назад

Calvin deserved to be a first ballot HOFer but so did Patrick Willis. Look at their resumes, he had more all pros, more pro-bowls and was the best MLBer for pretty much his entire career.

@daleyarborough 3 года назад

I LOVE IT

@aaronafre1920 3 года назад

This is lit

@Mulatto4Yeshua 3 года назад

T.O. keepin it a buck as always. Wiley and Acho keep doin it! Like how they willing to attack the "sacred cows" in sports in these debates. The attempt by Acho to quantify appealed to the value for objectivity but I think Marcellus is right that it's too late...precedent has already been set. How can you argue with fellow players of an era that think a dude had huge impact enough to be in the hall? Don't always agree with everything said but best sports debate show out there IMO!

@darrelloliver430 3 года назад

Think of the wide receivers that Owens and Wayne and Holt played with

@Skoolandthegang214 3 года назад

When did Calvin score more than 150 tds🤔

@Mr10before9 3 года назад

When did Holt or Wayne receive more than 2000 yards?

@timothy8484 3 года назад

@@Mr10before9 last I checked Calvin didn’t either and no receiver in history has either

@erikpuka2627 3 года назад

Yeah but he didn't play that long If you stay around long enough-you might get more all time stats

@Mr10before9 3 года назад

@@timothy8484 he was 36 yards short, how many were they?

@timothy8484 3 года назад

@@Mr10before9 I didn’t know being short gave you the milestone 🤔

@kornwhiskey95 3 года назад

I have to admit, this was a good segment.

@THEAdmiralXizor 3 года назад

Where was Marvin Harrison according to this metric..? He didn't have to wait. What about Art Monk..? He waited a Loooooong time.

@blactothefuture409 3 года назад

Hmm, it's a couple of guys in there that you could give the side eye to.

@Verskil1412 3 года назад

@Cody Hess yeah Urlacher even got juked by Tom Brady. Tom brady of all qbs juked Urlacher????

@simoncohen4264 3 года назад

@Cody Hess joe namath

@cy4069 3 года назад

I think an important takeaway here is numbers don't tell the whole story. Wes Welker is a 4x all-pro and 5x pro-bowler with nearly 10,000 career receiving yards who definitely shouldn't get in despite his numbers being on par with many hall of famers. That's just the way it goes. Production doesn't always equal impact, especially in football.

@alichaudhry12 3 года назад

Man Gronk has been the most impactful non QB on the field this past decade...that's why he's first ballot...in the biggest moment everyone knows where Toms going with the ball and more times than not Gronk shows up...he routinely goes one on one against the top lineman in the league... his story is insane...look at the hits from Earl Thomas and Ward that he had to overcome along with back surgeries and so many more...

@printezstroman 3 года назад

The most?

@alichaudhry12 3 года назад

@@printezstroman I'd say when healthy he was.... he's so versatile they line him up in so many spots...he was never protected from the defences full attn with any bigtime outside receiver...so for a long period he would be blocking on one play and be the only deep threat the Pats had...I mean there are lots of guys that can wreck games like JJ Watt in the first half of the decade or Aaron Donald in the second half...not to mention top tier corners that can shut a whole side down...but I think Gronks versatility is unmatched.. He has more regular season TDs than Calvin Johnson and he played a couple of fewer games...that's with all the injuries

@m43854 3 года назад

T.O. said what he said and he's right.

@TheJSexton24 3 года назад

TO ain’t better than Megatron though

@jeremybstudentpilot5315 3 года назад

TO is being emotional. He doesnt want to go yet he glady accepted his jacked. You cant have it both ways.

@jplaya2023 3 года назад

nah acho Mike Dawg without those ships still was a 1st team all pro and led the lead in receptions for a team that was run 1st. Plus his career was cut short by the neck injury

@zayinghui6282 3 года назад

Like skip has said if I have to hesitate then your not in. Holt is a hesitation so maybe 2/3 try he could get in. But Calvin had two DBs lined up like a punt on him. First ballot should be for automatics.

@stevemoore6853 3 года назад

Torry Holt should be in the HOF. Greatest Show On Turf was with 4 important players. 1. Marshall Faulk 2. Kurt Warner 3. Issac Bruce 4. Torry Holt Sharing passes between Faulk and Bruce, and to get his numbers with that team just shows that he is deserving of the HOF. Comparatively speaking, we have 3 of those players in the Hall. When you look at the numbers with all 4 playing together, the stats don't lie.

@julianhenderson8705 3 года назад

Acho had me with the jimmy graham and rob comparrison. 😂 shoot let jimmy in the HOF then!

@brotherLee340 3 года назад

Gronk played less games, better in the playoffs and have rings. That's why he gets the extra nudge

@kcd1001 3 года назад

best show

@chuckers40 3 года назад

I never thought I would agree with T.O, but he has some valid points. Go back and look at the WR's and look at how long it took before they finally went in: We all thought they were shoo-ins to get in on the first ballot: Lynn Swann, John Stallworth, Art Monk, Cris Carter, Marvin Harrison, Michael Irvin etc. WR's are the toughest position to get into the H of F on the first ballot. There's a reason why that only a few get in on the first ballot. Look at the WR's still on the ballot: Reggie Wayne, Torry Holt, and Hines Ward are still on the ballot. Look at the WR's coming up for the H of F for 2022: Andre Johnson, Steve Smith Sr, Anquan Boldin. Three respectable names. Ask yourself which one would get in on the first ballot?. Between Holt, Wayne, and Ward who would get in if you were to choose. For me, T.O. should have gotten in on the first ballot or even the second ballot (2017). Eventually Larry Fitzgerald will retire. He should be an absolute shoo-in first ballot, but this is NFL voting system, don't be shocked if Fitz doesn't go on the first ballot.

@matthewwilloughby2594 3 года назад

Ive never said this before but I totally agree with Terrell. He's right

@kg21bestpf94 3 года назад

Woah Bucky debating if Drew Brees is a HOFamer? LOL I'm not even a fan of Drew the player but he was a beast and was for a long time def a HOF 1st ballot.

@jyu467 3 года назад

How can someone look at Brees' numbers and even ponder the question is a real head scratcher.

@DPizzle 3 года назад

TO absolutely right

@RC-ld3cn 3 года назад

The HOF process is outdated. The current HOF members should vote for the new inductee, not sports writers. Sport writers never played the game, so they shouldn't be judges for the HOF. Plus, some of the sport writer hold grudges against players and try and keep them out. This is one of the reasons Terrell Owens wasn't first ballot.

@RecencyBiasRadio 3 года назад

15:03 When Bucky didn't say "Yes" to Drew Brees 😂😂😂😭😭😭

@Jayoplantern 3 года назад

Calvin Johnson did not deserve to get in first ballot

@richardmanuel9812 3 года назад

Nope t.o is right

@hubertramos7939 3 года назад

calvin did, but T.O. deserved to as well

@TRELL3132 3 года назад

Terrell is right in his criticism of the Hall

@jonny4ya 3 года назад

Bucky said when has the HOF been wrong and that there isn’t a guy in there that shouldn’t be in there. That may be true but they do get wrong with the people who should be in there that aren’t.

@simoncohen4264 3 года назад

Joe namath all need to be said

@James32015 3 года назад

I think the thing you are missing with the Gronk/Jimmy Graham comparison is that your are completely omitting post season stats

@JohnMarler 3 года назад

Acho had some really good points

@neglky 3 года назад

I agree with TO

@soufeast_ant6469 3 года назад

Michael Irvin career was short due to his neck injury

@mauricescribner7025 3 года назад

so was sterling sharpe's that's the game

@gregorylagrange 3 года назад

I never thought Irvin should have gotten in before Herman Moore. But it happens.

@hiimmidas 3 года назад

You two make good videos

@michaelbrouillard5741 3 года назад

Michael Irvin wouldn’t be in the hall if it weren’t for those three chips? 65 touchdowns, almost 12,000 receiving yards, 750 receptions, x1 First Team All-Pro and x5 pro bowls.... acho that’s the worst take of February

@benjaminunanaowo2929 3 года назад

No Cowboys fan here. Look at Micheal Irvin Post Season Stats. He had huge games in the playoffs. Those stats don’t show up in the regular stats.

@mchild80 3 года назад

Talking about Swann and Namath being "meh" made my weekend.

@tipsy3 3 года назад

Michael Irvin just got a shot 😂😂😂

@alichaudhry12 3 года назад

T.O absolutely correct here can't compare CJ career to the two other first ballots that went in with him...for example if this Brees is done I think Rivers is a HOF QB but he shouldn't go in with Brees

@jeremybstudentpilot5315 3 года назад

TO is being emotional. He doesnt want to go yet he glady accepted his jacked. You cant have it both ways.

@JayShifu 3 года назад

I actually like this Hall of Fame formula. IDK if I agree with those numbers specifically but I really like the concrete thinking there of something solid to get into the HOF.

@NewEnglandGaming413 3 года назад

I think using the average of those stats over a career should be used, with a minimum amount of years needed to qualify, players can be extremely dominant but look less dominant just because someone played 6 more seasons and that helped build up higher numbers overall even if the averages are better for the player that played less

@andrewjohnson8919 3 года назад

Holt, should have been in over Calvin

@bobmishima3295 3 года назад

My man really compared Gronk to Jimmy Graham ☠️

@lesbo37 3 года назад

I mean as receiver's they're genuinely comparable but Graham was a poor blocker at best and Gronk might be the best ever.

@blackurustrikes2328 3 года назад

I think Acho gives too many points to receivers for SuperBowls. Too many factors about getting to a SuperBowl that have nothing to do with receivers. Also, I think game winning TD catches should be added to the HOF criteria, with maybe added points in playoff games.

@reneesmith2441 3 года назад

The main problem is that they have to let people in every year, even if it's a year that no one deserves to go.

@imSLO- 3 года назад

I disagree. Because of the backlog, every year there are deserving candidates.

@austinwarren2286 3 года назад

True but also if they didn’t limit the amount to go in each year backlogs could be cleared and then alleviate the need for a class each year

@blinddebauchery2330 3 года назад

Man I’ve been saying this same thing for years, check out Ricky Waters stats, it’s comparable to Jerome Bettis, and no one would dare say Ricky Waters is a Hall of Farmer!!!

@southfieldtrill9690 3 года назад

Waters was nice the only issue with him is his fumbles during big games

@nickwagner9551 3 года назад

If megatron played as long as Reggie Wayne he’d smash they numbers lol

@dannylee5932 3 года назад

But he didnt

@nickwagner9551 3 года назад

@@dannylee5932 megatron was by far better then Reggie Wayne lol give him Marvin Harrison on the other side and Peyton Manning 😂😂 gtfoh

@pendragon3434 3 года назад

Hall of Fame also has an issue with being biased towards the more popular teams. It's ridiculous that players like Ken Riley and Ken Anderson are still not in the HoF

@savagetv6460 3 года назад

You think the lions are popular? Lol

@pendragon3434 3 года назад

@@savagetv6460 lol I would imagine the popularity of the Lions and Bengals is comparable

@savagetv6460 3 года назад

@@pendragon3434 they're small markets bro lol the hof is pretty fair to teams. Megatron is first ballot cause he was popular. It hof not hall of stats.

@pendragon3434 3 года назад

@@savagetv6460 I have no issue with Megatron making it in first ballot. That dude was amazing to watch. But I think small market teams are at disadvantage when it comes to inducting players, especially if those players never won a chip. There's no good reason why Ken Riley who is 5th all time in interceptions has never even gotten close to being inducted.

@savagetv6460 3 года назад

@@pendragon3434 same reason dave Brown isn't in either, they weren't super popular I guess