Winds of Winter Predictions: Burning Volantis 

I think that the horrendous portrayal of Daenerys in season 8 has now made me realise just how incredible book Dany is.

"I am just a young girl and I know little of the ways of war. " said the young conqueror who took over a city that was supposedly unpenetrable, without having any sort of formal education or grown dragons yet.

I wonder if the Red Priests will accompany Dany from Volantis to Westeros and fill her head with ideas that she is a religious figure, a hero of prophecy, but they will also encourage her fire and blood aspect. Could definitely see these religious zealots contributing to a negative turn in Dany's character arc.

Between her having to go do her Dothraki sidequest and then lifting the siege of Meereen and then going to burn Volantis, and theeen going to Westeros, idk this seems like 3 more books worth of plot for Dany before even stepping foot on Westeros to face down with the army of the dead and ostensibly burn kings landing. As a writer I do not envy the position George has put himself in.

The specific ways she's being demonized in that first quote is very, very interesting

i never realized what a great solution the resources of volantine wealth would be to dany's current plight with the pale mare + her refugees. medicine, educated slaves who may know how to help and heal, food, gold, etc. its just a matter of how she'll get them all there (ships in the iron fleet + capturing the volantine fleet?) who knows

Late to the party but I got a little addition: Harren the Black famously worked thousands of "captives" to death over the course of 40 years to build Harrenhal. Harrenhal was absolutely a symbol of enslavement in Westeros that Aegon burned to the ground to kick off his whole unification campaign.

That’s interesting that Tyrion would recognize that using faith is too dangerous a tool to use and Circe did not. Circe tried it and it blew up in her face.

The TV show has tainted me to me point where i hear an Azor Ahai prophecy and i just automatically visualise Masie Williams jumping from Hit's dimension to stab the Night King

This is actually one the plotpoints Im most excited about!!! You can see from miles away. The moment Dany sets foot in Volantis, the city will never be the same.

How come everyone is so quick to forget how terrible and tyrannical the ironborn were before the Targaryens came in ? They pretty much ruled the 7 kingdoms and subjected it to constant raiding and savagery. The targaryens were ruthless but there was a semblence of stability and prosperity under them. It was a big improvement for everybody who suffered under the Ironborn!

The volantii accusing Daenerys of doing the type of things they themselves are all probably doing 😝

OMG, this makes me so hyped for Winds of Winter. I hope Daenerys takes Volantis in her conquest because like Harrenhal was the key to the Riverlands, Volantis is the key to the Free Cities and maybe even the entirety of Essos (minus the Dothraki obvi).

I Bet half the people in volantis would be willing to Go with Danny to Westeros and maybe even to the wall

It's ironic that dragonlords founded Volantis and enslaved a continent but now the last of them is the Breaker of chains. By the way, is it posible that Volantis' soldiers of Yunkai's aliance coul betray them in The Battle of Meereen?

Oh guys! Thanks for pumping our love of ASOIAF back up! GOT took a really big chunk of my fan soul, but you are just mending it all. Damn, I need my books. I need a re-read, ASAP

YES YES so much YES 🙌 I was starting to think that I was the only one who could see the story building up to a good old fashioned Volantene barbecue. Thank you for doing this video!

When Quinn said "catalyst"in the video, for a second my mind heard "Catelyn"...and it got me thinking...do you think GRRM had this word in mind when he was naming the character Catelyn? I mean, her actions in AGOT really are one of the main catalysts that sets the story in motion...well, Jaime too for sure. eh, just a thought.

Now i can finally pretend that Daenerys burning KL is really just book Daenerys burning the living shit out of Volantis :)

The end of the show had several problems, many have been pointed out often. One that I never saw been brought up is how feeble the constructions on King's Landing were. All those stone buildings just crumbled at the touch of fire. Not all buildings are akin to Harrenhall's walls, but seven hells...

Daenerys would conquer all of Dothraki, lift the siege in Meereen, burn Volantis then journey *east* beyond Assai to cross *The Land of Forever Winter* and then reach westeros. "_To journey west you must go east_"???

This playlist is TRULY awe-inspiring

Harrenhal: world's biggest pizza oven. If they ever modernize, Harrenhal Pizza should become a pizza chain.

The hint of what the Dragon riders will be like are in Rhaegal and Viserion names. Rhaegar Targreyan was an honorable man so the Dragon he is named after will have rider of that quality. Viserys was a viscous man cruel and arrogant and what we seen of Tyrion can be said the same. So if Viserion might be dragon of great cunning and cruelty this makes Tyrion ideal rider for him.

This editing is so good, the music stopped right before "The Old Blood cannot suffer that" AAAHHHhhh

I think the burning of King’s Landing by Daenerys in Game of Thrones left me triggered. Now I hear about Dany burning something it just makes me wanna scream. Also fused stone is made by dragons probably right? So wouldn’t dragon fire be the only thing that melts it? Awesome video as always guys!

Quinn I love when you relate this to Dune!!

I believe this will be the case for Daenerys for awhile.

Quinn Ice LML fire. The best team up ever

It's been a while since I read the books, but isn't a good chunk of Volantis's navy and army on the way to Slaver's Bay to fight Daenerys? Considering that Daenerys's most successful plans are her craziest ones, I could definitely see her opting to sack Volantis before freeing Meereen. I hope that when she returns to Meereen it will be to save the city in a dramatic fashion. Perhaps we could have a Ride of the Rohirim style charge. Of course sacking Volantis could have one very bad consequence. According to Tyrion there is a lot of very important dragon lore kept in the city. If Daenerys burns it, this information might be lost forever.

Also GRRM doesn't care about pronunciations. Roy Dotrice [RIP] always changed the way he pronounced different names in the books. Aaaaaaaand I think that maybe the Dark eye is a reference to Saurons All seeing Eye

I hated how the show portrayed Dany & especially how Jon snow was supposedly named Aegon. Rheagars first 2 children were still alive when he ran off with the Stark girl so why in the fuck would he name both his sons Aegon? Just plain fucking stupid on the shows part! Going back the Dany she only killed ppl for a reason, she was never a sadistic murderer

I know this isn't directly related to the topic at hand, but speaking of Dany and speaking of Harrenhal... At times I've wondered if her 'mount to dread' refers to her going to the tower of dread at Harrenhal. It's probably something else, but I still wonder. Awesome video; love this series🙂.

ahhh.. cup of coffee and a Volanteen slave rebellion for breakfast! haha. These videos are great, you guys rock!

Harren also enslaved people of the river lands to build his castle. So even more of a parallel

Great parallel to Harrenhal. 🌮🌮🌮🌮

perfect way to start my day. thanks you guys!🔥

Daenerys: *burning the living shit out of Volantene slavers* Me: You're doin' amazin', sweetie!

Excellent stuff as always LmL , of course the work demand would be so great but we could all get used to such frequent content from you. And the subject of this vid certainly another element of TWoW that I and many can not wait to see come to fruition in the text , with Dany dealing with Volantis. It will be a slight moral conundrum and the typical shades of gray with any character or event GRRM gives us but again we have to remember the constructs these characters are operating in , a violent , ruthless pseudo-medieval world. Of course there are levels even within those standards that like Maegor or Aegon IV , pretty much the whole DotD overall or more recent narrative occurrences some heinous stuff from Tywin's past , Ramsay / Roose , the Freys treachery which are just objectively bad and we can go on and on and name many many more occurrences past and present. And Aegon I himself many sort of hail as the noble unifier but when you look his selfish motivations and the "means" themselves like Harrenhal , Field of Fire and just putting the realm to the dragon of pledging loyalty or death. Parts of the fandom can not just whitewash Aegon I and blame Dany for in some cases doing violent ruthless things that in many cases are somewhat selfless and helping those of a much lower station than her , freeing so many slaves and toppling ruthless hierarchy / regimes etc. This is the universe these characters operate in , which in some cases ruthless violence needs to be done for the greater good ; the motives and ends are what can be judged and criticized. Although last time i checked no non-violent pacifist people or groups (if they even exist) are getting much done on Planetos anyway. So I do think Dany and some other characters as well do get unfair criticisms (not by Lml or Quinn but others in the fandom) , as we have to remember the world they operate in. That being said I do look forward to seeing how Volantis plays out , imo Volantis more than deserve it and like so many past events that GRRM gives us that will likely echo in the current narrative (too many to name here) , Aegon I / The Conquest and Harrenhal in particular here definitely somewhat adjacent to Dany / her arc albeit of a less selfish nature. I do expect a Harrenhal 2.0 behind Volantis' black walls - they are a nasty regime , the self indicated successor to Valyria with the accompanied cruelty and negative practices , they are arguably the biggest players in the slave trade and one of the most stark examples of the dichotomy and literal insular separation between rich and poor that we are given within Planetos. Ntm , on top being just a horrible regime / ruling class (the Volantene hierarchy) taking up arms against Dany will justify her even further and as was pointed out in the vid , the message it will send will with a partial destruction will likely pacify the rest of Essos' resistance against her , so it could be argued would minimize bloodshed if most of the area fall in line from doing so rather than Dany having to continue to deal with each area one by one. And strategically its fairly west which works toward her end goals , the general supply re-up , the numbers to grow in terms of allies , potentially to her army and followers overall and quite the jewel to have under one's control makes sense all around for Dany. Of course some will have some moral questions and try and point to this as one of those "mad Dany in the making occurrences" but I do not see it that way at all. Given the constructs / medieval-esque universe these characters operate in , who / what Volatnis is and represents , likely a retaliatory move and the motives / reasons behind doing it - for me have her in the clear and on the side of right.

19:20 I'm guessing you dont remember what black harren was known for. He stole everything from everyone around him and enslaved thousands to build his massive castle. He's just as bad as the valantis old blood in every single way. So aegon the conqueror wasnt only destroying his line for insulting him. He was a tyrant to every neighbor around harrenhal

Thankyou LmL and Quinn for these great videos. When I read or watch discussions about what to expect in the last two novels of GRRMs great story, I just cant understand how it is possible to wrap the story up in a satisfying way in just two novels......He will need to write 5 more novels to get the majority of the characters and threads to a satisfying conclusion.

You guys together are just magic! I'm here for it ALL! Thanks 🥰🌻✌

You just combined ASOIAF and Mario! Pretty sure we're best now!! Lol

Thanks for making these, I bet it was a lot of work! Looking forward to the next one.

I'm in the waaay back cheering you guys on. I even have my lighter held up. Yes! Quinn and LML in da house!

OMG I had no idea you partnered with Quinn! I fukkin LOVE Quinn's Ideas! You guys together will be amazing!! I haven't even started this yet! I'm getting drinks, snacks, etc., and working thru ALL OF THESE!!

Damn content aside, I see that fresh ass Jordan jacket though lol. 🔥

Another great video from two of my favorite content creators. Keep em coming!! Valor morghulis....

Nice! 🤙🏾

This series is great! You guys work really well together.

This is the best ASOIAF content in a couple years. Really helping me see the broader story going on all over this world.

Amazing content. Keep it up and thank you

Great job guys, I’m enjoying this. Nice crystals by the way!

Excellent video. Fave of the series so far!

when she burns Volantis..will she attack with just Drogon? Or all threee dragons? 🔥🔥🔥

Two of my favourite ice and fire content creators in the same room? Hell yeah! Loving this series guys :)

Great series!

As I was just pantomiming the Benerro passage myself, I realized he'd be using both hands to do this, since he spread his *hands* wide. Meaning one hand would be pointing up and one hand would be a fist. Which looks like the number 10. Then opening up all his fingers is also the number 10. Then each fingers has flames shooting from it and tyrion notes that there were 10 glyphs, which seems pretty specific to be unrelated. I don't know what it would mean tho lol. But thought those smarter than me would understand the connection.

I'm loving the team up between you two and I appreciate that each video is pretty tight and focused. I wouldn't mind some future live streams to expand on some of these plot points between you guys, the audience, Order of the Greenhand, and Mike S. Miller.

If you two would write WoW with all these ideas you presented so far - looks fantastic to me. One can only hope that George can live up to that.

Great videos guys. The Quinn Quotes are way louder than the two of you talking. I have to keep raising and lowering the volume to even it out. Same on last video. Maybe raise or lower volume on either, or compress everything on the main audio bus. Love your work. Cant wait for the rest of these videos

What is this fell sorcery....that brings you two amazing lads n the same room....are you using one of them Glass Candles....lol loveing the series with you both....keep it coming guys love it n love ya both thanks for the amazing work you both do for us

Keep the predictions coming.

On Tyrion's trepidation about Benerro rallying the Volantene slaves with his oratory, I would say that while Tyrion might have a point about how the power and influence of the R'hllorists could prove to be dangerous and unpredictable, we should also take into account Tyrion's class prejudice because he is after all an aristocrat, and to an aristocrat there are few things more frightening than the downtrodden masses adopting a rebellious spirit and potentially taking matters into their own hands. His experience with the King's Landing riot also naturally feeds into this. But the point of view of the masses themselves should not be forgotten either. Benerro's oratory works because he speaks to the genuine concerns of the people, and in fact the temple is the ONLY place where the views of the slaves and the poor can potentially be expressed, because they have no other outlets. Historically in the real world, class struggle was often expressed in religious forms, because ideology was largely represented in the form of religious doctrine and the church was often the only place where a poor man could rise high and express his grievances with the rich and powerful, and advocate for social justice. So in the Middle Ages you'd have religious movements pop up now and again calling for a return to the egalitarian principles of Jesus, and this wasn't mere abstract theology but a concrete demand of the poor in a social system in which they were largely left out and could only express their class interests religiously. As for the King's Landing riot, of course that was an expression of the common people's grievances with Joffrey's horrendous rule. While it's true that the masses can be manipulated by demagogues, the agency of the masses themselves also shouldn't be ignored.

Finding the soundtracks In the back a bit irritating but the content and teamup is great. Glad you are working together, my two fave asoiaf commentators along with in deep g ...

Always the best ASOIAF content 🙏

What do you think will happen with the cities between Meereen and Volantis? (Mantarys, Tolos) Will they surrender after the Battle of Fire? Seems like at least part of Dany’s army will need to march over land

To reach Westeros, she needs to go to Lys and Tyrosh too. Both of them are slave cities as well, so maybe she´s going to conquer them too.

These recent videos are EXCELLENT.

He's the one they call Dr. Burnthem. He the one with will make you feel fire. He's the one they call Dr. Burn them. He's going to be her Frankenstein.

These videos are the next best thing to tWoW coming out. Thank you! 👍❤️🌳❤️👍 P.S. was that a Skyrim screen shot in there?

Honestly, Harrinhall was absolutely justified. Black Harrin was a ruthless monster who nearly wiped out the minerals, lumber, and people of the Riverlands just to build his castle.

This is such a glorious series. My dream team.

As always, I got lost within Quinn's intro. Felt like I was back over at his page. Then the live shot surprised me back to reality.

16:32 That look he gives the camera. "Bruh, you best be."

Can you do video about a possible Second Dance of Dragons which I personally belive it will happen in the TWOW and ADOS

Where are you guys getting all this artwork? It's fantastic.

I fuckin love these collabs

Seeing you two together in all these videos is giving me a tingly feeling inside. The things that I'm imagining you guys doing right now... 🤤 I'll just stop.

I just realized this, but all the “Ideas of March” episodes have been slowly going West, and then North. I assume it was intended, but still cool.

I’m thinking maybe Dany will leave Missande as her heir in Essos with Daario’s army at her back.

The Slaves Lords of Volantis may be old blood but Dany blood is older still of Valyria. Any other King or Queen will not have the same effect. The Old Blood knows this and that is what they fear. It is the Dragons that are the game changer. The Dragon must have three heads. I don't think Aegon of the Mummers is one of the heads. I think that Tyrion will be one of the heads and Jon Snow may be the other.

I wonder if it will be The Widow or Benerro who ends up in power? Maybe Dany chooses one to represent Volantis on her Essos council with the Dosh Khaleen back in Meereen

And I believe you know and feel it's good on national women's day, right?

Would some of the Old Blood maybe recognize Daenerys as the heir of old Valyria because she is the last Dragon Lord? And if so could she have possible allies within the black walls?

"This is a city burning we can actually cheer for"..

That is what I call quality content

Your persuasive case for Dany burning Volantis has convinced me that it will not happen, because nothing ever happens as anticipated in these books

This is like the John Lennon and Paul McCartney of the Song of Ice and Fire Fandom collaboration🔥🔥🔥

Well Volant is divided part of the people worship Danny and the largest point of their military are slave soldiers those that worship the Lord of Light. It is a mistake to believe that all Volunteens are the same. If ASOIAF has taught us anything it's that there are Always factions and rivalries in every city region and organization. From the Nights watch to the Lords of the North to the several Factions of the City of Mereen.

One thing that ought to be said regarding Volantis and ending slavery is what happens afterwards, especially if Dany isn't there to pull the pieces together. The freed slaves and the remaining population of the slave states wont have nay civic structures or leadership. Without structure chaos follows, with famine, disease and death alongside petty war lords and murder. Whilst Dany's campaign to end slavery is morally right, the way that it is being done is not. Many of those freed and those free people who were already poor, will die in their millions and what comes afterwards will kill many many more. I'm sure this is part of what GRRM wants to illustrate. It surely also demonstrates Dany's lack of any real understanding of the consequences of her choices. Dragon power produces a tyrant and worse a tyrant who fails to understand the consequences that removing existing order and power without substituting a new structure that you control is a mistake. Isn't this the lesson learnt in post Gulf war Iraq (and Syria ?).

Best asoif channel tbh

Through a revisit to asos , i noticed the Heir of House Sunglass fled Stannis’s Fires to Volantis , would be Ironic if he’s caught inside the Walls when danny comes.

Something that's interesting to me is the line "Rhllor who made the sun and stars" seems to harken back to how Dany refers to Drogo as her sun and stars and links her directly to using the followers of Rhllor or joining them and perhaps how her relationship with them will change her power dynamic

There are a number of features to note re: Daenerys & the Volantis situation. Khal Pono is riding on the outskirts of Volantis, which basically means he will almost certainly be called in by the Triarchs to help put down the slave revolt for a huge reward, as the Volantenes have sent forces to Mereen to assist the Yunkai'i in the battle against Dany. Dany, as we know, is with Khal Jhaqo, & we don't know how that is likely to play out. One way or another, Dany is going to get control of Jhaqo's khalasar, & then she will be motivated to face off with the other half of what was Khal Drogo's khalasar when she receives word that there is a slave revolt in Volantis. That message may well reach her by way of Marwin, he will reach Dany with the assistance of Qaithe: remember, Marwin is not someone that Dany has been warned not to trust. I said in a previous comment that Dany is not returning to Mereen, (I could be wrong of course, but logically, there will be neither time, neither is there a need story wise), Mereen, I am sure, will be destroyed when the dragons are attacked by the Harpy's Sons inside the city & the Yunkai'i & their allies out side of the city. Mereen will be burned to the ground, which will prompt Dany's allies to march on Yunkai. The slave revolt will begin when they have world that the Voltene forces are engaged trying to protect Slavers Bay from falling completely to Dany's forces, leaving Volantis vulnerable & the slaves in a prime position to overthrow the triarchs - enter Khal Pono. Tyrion's dream when he is travelling with Illyrio from Pentos to meet the Griffs, is really really important. This dream tells us a number of things, one that Tyrion is going to get the 2 dragons to Westeros, two that Barristan will be with him, three that Aegon/Young Griff is a direct descendent of both Daemon Blackfyre & Aegor Rivers - most likely via Daemon's daughter who married Rivers - as he is referred to as "Bittersteel". And the big question, what will drive Tyrion to return to Westeros without Dany? Hard to say, but it may be that Illyrio will inform him that he is the bastard son of Mad Aerys. I am not sure about that, but I think there is a good chance, which is what may drive Tyrion to commit himself to Aegon, as we are told they will be fighting side by side with dragons overhead. The story is going to become even more complicated, part of the whole point of the "Mummers dragon" fAegon, is for it to be almost impossible for Jon Snow to be accepted as Rhaegar's true born son, except for Dany's endorsement - the blow flower in a chink of ice spreading sweetness, meaning she is going to love Jon Snow. And as such she is going to be in conflict with fAegon & Tyrion, hence why Qaithe warned Dany not to trust the Lion, because he is not going to be loyal to her.

So I’m currently on my 4th read through of ASOIAF. I was curious to know how many times you guys have read the series through.

"This battle station is full operational" I lol'd

15:56 If you examine closely ,a potential foreshadowing can be seen as: 1)minions of night (faceless men) (since assassinations are considered a nights work) 2)temples of deceit (their temples) (as they literally teach how to lie) 3)her downfall(death of her dragons) # Won't this confirm the theory that faceless men are trying to kill the dragons.

Isn’t the “dark eye” upon Dany talking about Euron Crow’s Eye?

Can't wait to hear Dany' s quote as she she flys Drogan up to burn Volantis.