Wing Chun Lacks Grappling? 

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In my utmost humble opinion. “ Fighting is relativity in motion, therefore never expect only respond as it is one’s opponent within context that dictates tactics” “ Many rivers from the same source flows” Many are not aware of the correlations between different systems, how they intertwine,interconnect and thus respectively separate depending upon its desired use and needs of the practitioners. So depending upon the training methods that is utilized you can take a tool, and thus apply it with its proper intended application, or one may misinterpret its intended area of use and thus apply a screwdriver with the same motion as one would utilize a saw. It is not the tools fault, but the one who wields it who is to carry the burden of blame, and sadly this is what has happened to many Chinese martial arts. Wing Chun actually has a wrestling base similar to what may be found in both judo/ Greco-Roman wrestling/ and combat Sambo( Headbutts included). Everything from throws, double/ Single legs/ reaps/ sweeps/ lifts/ kimura grips/ sprawls etc, are all found within the technical intricacies which the system is based upon. The reason for this is the elements of Chinese wrestling ( Zhuei Jiao) which is the fundamental base, of not only the footwork, but also energy principles of framing/ yielding/ tensing/ relaxation/ absorbing/ deflecting/ rising/ sinking/ expanding/ contracting/ pushing/ pulling, all tactile energetically principles that is equally shared where: Base/ posture/ connection/ energy is the staple of the system ( Ref Matt Thornton) Sadly, these principles are lost on many, so they are( for the most part) no longer being taught. Example: The boxing elements of wing chun, every hand technique can interchangeably be applied with a closed fist( the boxing elements can clearly be seen)Similar to the techniques that can be found within systems akin to Lethwei/ Muay Boran( what sets wing chun apart( or it is supposed to) is the concept of linking your punches into throws/ hand fighting/ dirty boxing) This channel is one of the very few I’ve seen that actually takes these concepts and actually depicts how to correctly apply them. Sincere appreciations for sharing and enabling all of us to observe and learn from such fellow peer as yourself. Sincere regards. Fellow Martial Artist. Tom Framnes. Spain.

Sorry, completely disagree. First of all try the tactics you’re showing being applied live against a non wing chun guy who knows how to shoot and clinch properly. If you’re fighting a bigger / stronger guy clinching and smothering his firepower is a far better strategy than trying to dance around and out strike him. I have studied wing chun almost twenty five years and have been exposed to plenty of grappling/Greco and bjj and can honestly say that there is a lot of clinch strategy contained in the art, just look at chum kiu and the dummy set, there re arm drags/two on ones/collar ties/trips/throws etc . Even biu jee teaches us to use clinching an opponent to use him as a shield against other attackers.

HE IS RIGHT!! THANK YOU.

Good video! Also, the shirt you are wearing looks nice! What shirt is that?

You need to know grappling to defend efficiently against it.

I recently found this channel and it got some great Info here. Cheers, looking forwards to more coll content.

I like you page. You and I fight in a very similar style.

true ! ive trained in combatives this the first lesson that i taught.

You should fight someone who does bjj and Muay Thai. It would be great to see how the ultimate wingchun matched up

Tai chi is more effective against grapplers applying actual combat pressure, in fact against effective grapplers is the best way to actually learn effective and realistic Tai chi, against muay Thai is a great way to train effective wing chun

Six years since your last video. And now you Come intout with this truth. This guy understands that survival is key in combat.

The truth is it's either several opponents or 1 that's way bigger and stronger than u...noone would else start a fight...so basically ground is a no go in any case...ofc the drug addict out of his mind is another common scenario...but yeah...that's more about killing than fighting anymore...

You’re obviously a talented athlete. But everything you do allows your opponent to reset. Your comment about his having a weapon is quite apropos if you give him the distance by default. If you want to create distance for your benefit so you can flee, that should be your choice, not the default, IMHO. I believe that you would enjoy learning Sil Jun Do from professors Richard Raciti and Chris Leonardo. (Professor Raciti is a 5th degree BJJ black belt under professor Moreira.) SJD incorporates a number of your philosophies, but with more control and compliance as default. Thank you for sharing your experiences and knowledge! Stay safe, healthy, and well. Oss!

The most important grabbing that wing chun dummy teaches is grabbing the fists durring stricking. Training the grabs durring dummy training is incredibly useful because it helps you recognise and train the many grabs and it all hapends when your ingaged with all the punches.

This explanation is looking at only Western grappling. Wing Chun is a Chinese martial art from the 1800s. Shou Bo or Shuaijiao is not BJJ. Chinese Wrestling concept was / is, “take him down but remain standing.” Even in competition, no part of the body allowed to touch the ground or you lose… yet it’s a grappling skillset. It also has no weight classes in competition, and girls can compete against boys too in many tournamenets. So when you say, “you wouldn’t go to the ground in the street.” TRUE. You wouldn’t do it on the battlefield either. And that is why Traditional Chinese and Mongolian grappling do not allow touching the ground or “sacrifice throws” like in Judo. Because in infantry and/or bladed combat you will die. But, that reality ALSO meant that the arts were not just, “Chinese Boxing” either. You not doing too much punching in battle, or as an officer or armed caravan security. The gentleman, Fung Siu Ching, who lived in with the family of Ip Man’s senior brother - Yuen Kay San - and taught, was a Constable. Something like a Police Chief, during the reign of the Qing (Manchurians). The Manchu are wrestlers by Culture. On top of the conflicts of the time, the military training consist of Bladed Weaponry, Wrestling, Archery, and Limited Short-Range Striking. We know Wing Chun comes from this mix, because the Butterfly Knives (single with shield, or double butterfly knives) were used by peasant soldiers in the south. You can find the images of them, non-armored, holding their butterfly knives. We also know this, because the Luk Dim Boon Gwun is shared between several arts. Hung Ga, Hakka Mantis also has 6.5 Point Pole as it is actually based on the Spear. Hung Ga’s hero Wong Fei Hung fought in the Vietnam conflict against the French alongside Hakka fighters as well. Once the Police Academy was established, then they developed “Dai Bu Shu” (Arresting Techniques), which do include ground locks and ground holds / submissions. But that is a special skillset, similar to Di Shu Quan (which is like KungFu no gi grappling, because it has similar movement to what they now call berimbolo, flying scissors, or imanari roll) Lastly, even if we DO want to bring BJJ into the conversation. Then we understand - do not rely on strength, do not use force against force, does not also mean you are excluded from utilizing grappling skills on someone just because someone is bigger or stronger. Position. Balance. Leverage. Timing. Etc, it explains the KungFu concept of, “1 ounce moves 1000 lbs” For example Hip Throw, you don’t use arm strength. You just position your horse stance, then let them ride the blade of your hip, and then pull (with the same exact downward motion as the bows to buddha in Biu Ji)

A high school wrestler, or competitive blue belt would slam this guy to the ground before he could fart. Then he'd simply never get back up. Simple really. God forbid some random kid in an MMA gym squared up on him

Lame

Agree u should be the one dominant on the ground and agree u should strike if there’s more then one but disagree on u saying it’s hard to get ahold of someone like it’s actually pretty easy to turn striking into grappling to a point ofc but overall it’s easy

Completely agree! Its funny, i aay the same studf you say to my students. We have the same logic and understanding from the wing chun training

Check out a video called "Could This Be the REAL Way to Use Wing Chun? | Ft. Erik Paulson" on youtube, it's more adaptive if you're interested in applications to grappling.