It's pretty redundant to point out that a RU-vid sponsor company/product is lousy, because they always are, but Skillshare isn't a very good platform. A lot of the content is crap, it's hard to navigate, and a lot of it feels worse quality than tutorials and series available for free on RU-vid itself. BUT, I'm happy you have the sponsorship. Because god knows, making money out of YT is not what it used to be, and yuor channel is really good; you deserve it.
I mean I started a garden using skillshare and that was pretty neat but once I figured that out I stopped subscribing to it cuz then all my specific questions about gardening or better suited for RU-vid tutorials so you're still kind of right but it was a good jumping off point
It would be interesting to see how the industry goes if the only console companies are Nintendo and Playstation. The best option is to always have choices, but less options will definitely be detrimental.
What's going to happen is that Valve will move into the console market with the Steam Deck and other devices and take Microsoft's place to unify PC and console gaming in the living room.
No, too many choices is bad, no choices is bad, but only 2 choices is good, that turns into hardcore competition. I remember the Genesis vs SNES era, and we got some of the best games thanks to that competition. And it's affordable, people shouldn't have to buy 5 consoles
I have the sneaking suspicion that Geforce Now may in the coming 10 years brutally murder traditional consoles. I have an account and fast internet and the delay and quality loss during game streaming used to be bad, now I am streaming in 4k and can even play games that require very quick inputs, like racing games, without a single issue.
There’s room for three choices and likely always will be. Only two will be successful at any one time. Valve or Apple will jump in if Microsoft surrenders. Valve could actually succeed where they previously failed. However Apple is extremely daft when it comes to competing in gaming. They’re as clueless as Google.
Sega went third party as soon as they stopped selling hardware because they already had a huge library of games to bring over to other consoles. Microsoft needed Activision to achieve their own Sega plan. They're building up the infrastructure they need to move on. That's why this looks so confusing; the next gen plan and the exit plan are the same plan.
Meanwhile Sega makes what 3 or 4 games now? Yakuza, Total war, sonic, and atlus games if you want to include those. That's not a bright future if Xbox wants to follow Sega. It took Sega decades to realize they actually have a big back catalog of great IP. If Xbox went full 3rd party, the minute elder scrolls, or fable, or halo doesn't sell well enough, say goodbye to those IP for 20 years.
The funniest thing about this to me is that Xbox gaming without a console is literally Xbox without a box. And now Microsoft can't call this idea X because of fucking Elon trying to make fetch happen.
What's really crazy is they thought they were giving people what they wanted. A huge percentage of people booted up their xbox just to stream Netflix before smart tvs became ubiquitous.
It makes more sense when you look at the context of the PS2 it sold really fucking well because it was a DVD player AND a game system, but yea wayyyy to late
@@sdfxcvblank5756 very true in that age DVD and phsyical media were king nowadays? most young people don't watch traditional TV most watching a streaming service and you can't rely on those to be a major deciding factor in the sales since they are experiencing their own problems and also smart TVs are more common
It will be very bad if Xbox exits the console space. Nintendo and Sony don't really view eachother as competition and will have free reign to be their most arrogant selves (as we're already seeing) which will lead to things being worse for gaming as a whole. Hopefully another company joins in (and I mean seriously joins in, not like Valve is doing right now with the Steam Deck).
True. I prefer Sony's products, they seem way more creative and smoother. This said, Sony is a giant company. Giant companies have a tendency of being annoying when they are on top. Sony is no exception. (I do like the original xbox start-up and menu a lot though) Edit: To be clear, this comment was written with the intent of comparing Xbox vs Sony.
The barrier of entry has not been "buying a console", but it will be "buying that console" in the near future. This might lead to some competition, as consoles might not be sold at a loss for the first time in a long time. But it might just end up collapsing on itself, and becomes more than just a shell as people move to other platforms. Valve doing it with Steam Deck is not a good argument for companies to get into console market. Without significant markup, Valve still makes the vast majority of money from Deck users from its store. Still the console business model of selling console for cheap and getting the bucks back on software, services and virtual goods, the same reason why nobody has joint.
Nintendo has had to deal with the mobile market strangling them for a while, streaming and handheld PCs are more of a threat to them than anything Sony could ever do
@@fluffynator6222 Never said they were. I was talking about Xbox vs Sony, the two that actually compete.. which makes sense given the post is about how Sony and Nintendo don't really view each other as competitors. Also, Nintendo is lame and more anti gamer than Sony anyway. Have fun with your 497th Mario game. I won't hate you for it, but I'm not interested in any game from Nintendo personally.
It takes a special kind of stupid to build hardware, not make lots of reasons to buy said hardware, then act completely baffled when no one buys the console.
You can say the same thing about PlayStation, almost every AAA game that’s 2 years old that was a “PlayStation exclusive” hands been ported over to PC. The only difference between Xbox and PlayStation is how long until they get added to PC/ their rival
I don't think it helps that Microsoft is really bad at naming consoles. Every console since the Xbone has had an increasingly bland and confusing name. Call the next one something like "Xbox Pandemonium", people will definitely remember it exists.
… while at the same time they had really cool development codenames, like x360 is Xenon, X1 is Durango and XSX is Anaconda. I have no idea why they are trying hard to make their designs and product titles as faceless and forgettable as possible…
@@DullestStar9299 Or how when the Xbox One came out it was super confusing. Because the OG Xbox was also the Xbox One technically. Would have been weird but probably better if they did name it as people theorized. Xbox 720.
Game pass did work for a lot of people that play casually, but yes, this is possibly the end of gaming in the console market at least. I haven't seen any reason to buy a console now since PC gaming has become so streamlined it begs the question on why bother, at least to me.
What I find most insane is how they closed so many studios yet kept 343 in charge of their flagship brand Halo, to the point where Halo is now completely in the gutter as a franchise
This is a matter of practicality more than anything. They're going to keep developing Halo, as Xbox arguably can't exist without it. Halo is going to have it's own dedicated developer. 343 is the existing developer (though I think now they're actually just referred to as Halo Studios). In either case, they're named after the franchise, so they don't want to shutter the studio for press reasons. At that point, just try and shuffle developers into the studio, rather than give the game to another studio. It accomplishes the same thing, just keeps the brand naming and what not. Though I'd argue a huge part of why Halo has struggled post Bungie is there isn't one consistent vision for the series, which can only be made worse by cycling new developers through.
These nonsense sponsor segments just erode my confidence/trust in the channel on whole. I didn't even bother with the other 20 minutes of the video after that, and I unsubscribed.
At least Xbox is grateful that Sony held their beer own controversies. This has honestly been a console generation where everyone should just do better.
Nintendo isn't from from this: Here's a list: Lack of ui -no fun background sound, not since gamecube Big ego Overcharging -no discounts Artificial scaecity -mario 3d all stars No virtual console -subscription only Spicy take: lack of inovation for series ex: mario and luigi brothership Spicy take sort of, but food for thought: being too cheap. It's ok not to be top dog in terms of power, but don't act like it... Pro console kind of -why even bother with oled?.... The eshop and endless shovelware Following Sony and Microsoft and paying for online, especially the Expansion Pass.... Spicy Take: The Switch being a home console handheld hybrid -while it is cool, it also kills the dedicated handheld for lesser experiences that were meant for on the go....
It's like they spend billions purchasing franchises, then utterly skimp on developing actual games of any worth. Like look at how little they've done with all of RAREs ip's, it's pathetic They make a good controller though.
Yeah. The controller is the whole deal. It's not just their USP - it's their only SP. But one can use an Xbox controller on a PC, so the Xbox is pretty redundant now.
Maybe it's because Rare hasn't worked for Nintendo (when fans are nostalgic for) for 20 years and none of the people who used to make up the studio are still there. That being said Kameo was their last game I like, Sea of Thieves though incredibly successful isn't for me...
If you've stopped the competition then its billions well spent in their view. The idea that these conglomerates or the market will produce optimal products/services is at best naive
My biggest complaint about the state of gaming today is how we've shifted from games being enhanced by the net to most games requiring the net to function. Cloud gaming just leans into that, and is definitely not for me.
Microsoft does a great job at longer term software support, as it's basically their bread and butter. Other companies like Google jump ship so damn fast on projects it's ridiculous.
@@Samsonfs I suppose it’s user bias. Google Jamboard, Podcasts, Play Music, Domains, VPN, Pixel Pass, and RU-vid Stories are all Google software that I personally used that are no longer supported, were completely changed, or are now fully dead.
@@juanrodriguez9971 Investors are happy to keep something running at a loss if it's a monopoly since that has the potential for incredible returns down the line.
@@GunzyHD yeah but Google search, Gmail, RU-vid, pixel phones ect all have excellent history of support, most of those have simply been replaced or killed, not still around without support which is a little different.
I think you are too focused on Xbox as a brand and not enough on what microsoft gets from Xbox. Why do these companies go through the hassle of building and selling consoles in the first place? Selling the hardware itself doesn't bring much profit. It is the game sales on the platform that they care about. And in thata regard, Microsoft seems to have a better solution than trying to compete with playstation: If you want the profit from games sales, just buy the game developers. And that is what they have been doing. Once you have enogh developers under your belt, the console itself doesn't really matter to you anymore.
Exactly. And tbh, Microsoft is playing the long game. The Xbox brand itself, the gaming division sells more than enough to justify it. Microsoft is not getting out of the console space because they wouldn't fight so hard to get Activision and still fight to get more developers that we don't even know about. Microsoft just recently hit 3 trillion dollars as a company after being 2 trillion for the longest time. They are legitimately a monster, their profits just keep getting bigger, they can absorb any loss from the gaming space and still keep smelling like roses. It's honestly Sony and Nintendo I worry about more because they don't have that nation and a couple of countries worth of capital just backing them in multiple war chests. The fact Microsoft could buy Activision like that for $70 million and it was just pocket change to them shows the huge gap in how Microsoft can operate compared to Sony. The problem is, Microsoft now has to aggressively make new games/franchises and that takes years (and theres no guarantee just because they green lit a project, that the game itself will exist long enough for us to see and play it. Some games simply gets canceled because the game concept doesn't work, the devs aren't talented or capable to create whats in their imagination, they miss deadline targets and consistently go over budget, devs and publishers have two different goals and visions in mind, etc. We tend to forget that for every one game that comes out, at least 3 games were completely canceled and scrapped despite years put into it) While we are waiting for those great games to come, they are catching absolute hell because they have to now play catch up and rightfully so honestly. They took their foot off the gas for a long time and had incompetent leadership and that in part was due to the arrogance they had due to the x360 era and the explosion of franchises that made Xbox the "cool, bro console". They thought they could no wrong when the Xbox One came around and they were greatly mistaken and needed to be humbled. Only now they are finally doing the foundational groundwork that they should have done 12 years ago in regards to creating new franchises, buying developers, reaching out to 3rd party devs and making sweetheart deals with them and not just rolling over and taking it when Sony wants to make exclusive deals when it comes to content, etc.
The thing is, most of these people want to grift. Only thing ponies do is by Sony consoles and watch grifters on RU-vid. (when they're not watching tronhub) Its not about logic. It's just grifting.
When Helene hit the southeast US, swathes of the country lost internet, are still without internet. People can't get access to their digital libraries, and most games require 'always online' so even the handful of single player games won't launch because DRM. Cloud gaming may be the future, but it's a distant future.
I'd love to believe that, but game companies as a whole are so short sighted, they will do anything to assure "money now". They want you to be online all the time because you never leave the micro-transaction ecosystem, and could care less about a 'little blip' of people not being able to access the internet. I guarantee you none of these companies think climate change is an immediate problem that's gonna effect their bottom line. By the time it starts to be something they should worry about, they're just gonna triangulate out people who have unreliable connections out of the equation. If you're too poor to be always online, they don't want your money. It's already happening.
Where I live, the internet is not consistent enough to stream flawlessly, let alone fast enough to be able to stream gameplay with low latency and no hiccups.
I'm pretty sure that their mobile business plan would enable the download of the software, so you don't have to use internet to play the games. There's already models for it like apple arcade or netflix, but it looks like he's not aware of those.
@@KnowThatIDontKnowYou That would require developing and building mobile versions of these games, which takes time and money to do. Althought I could see Xbox replicating the Netflix model of supplying ISPs with their own game streaming servers to reduce the distance and latency between server and client, so that while you probably still have to be connected to the internet, the experience should be better as it's not connecting to Microsoft data centers, but rather directly to your ISP.
@@KnowThatIDontKnowYou That's literally gamepass already works. You download the game to local hardware and run it there. The appeal of cloud gaming is that you don't have to own hardware that's up to the task of playing the game, you 'rent' the hardware from the same service as the game.
@@jjayala I'm not sure ever, honestly. Keeping internet connections running at low latency isn't just a capacity issue, it requires constant maintenance, troubleshooting and upkeep by the providers, and game streaming is far more resource intensive than video streaming per user, which is already proving to be questionably profitable. In theory, for instance, Netflix can always service a customer from a more remote datacenter if local capacity is exceeded. But game streaming requires low latency to work well, which means you need edge computing data centers all over the place with plenty of excess capacity. You cannot load shift nearly as readily as you can for video streaming, which already requires much cheaper hardware to do anyways. I used to think that companies would rent out spare graphics cards for AI training during off hours to recoup costs, but apparently training large models rapidly begins to require very specialized, and expensive, hardware linking up all the GPUs to the point that it's actually obscenely inefficient to do it any other way. Game streaming might take off, but I'm not sure it's going to be able to achieve the primacy that video streaming has for a variety of reasons.
The Xbox was really only popular, at least in the US, in the Xbox 360 era. The only reason for that is that PS3 was very expensive, and you could get an Xbox 360 for around half the price. And really the Xbox 360 played games just as good if not better than the PS3 did.
And then Sony cut down the price for the ps3 and it ended up outselling the 360 in the end. If I’m honest I think Xbox was probably always going to be the third wheel just because Sony and Nintendo have bigger legacies in gaming but the market needs a third major player to keep competition I’m honestly nostalgic for that era. I didn’t even have a 360 but that was the peak of Doritos-mountain dew CoD gamer bros
@@night6724 Nothing beats that era of gaming imo. It was the best time of great games, great consoles, and no massive downloads on day 1. Back then it was just games. Not ads and micro transactions macerated as a game.
@@night6724 I also didn't have an Xbox 360 at that time. All I had was a Wii, so I missed out on the pretty new graphics and a lot of good games. In 2011, I finally got a PS3 slim and shortly after that, I moved on to PC.
7:35 To me it sounds perfect to call xbox dr pepper. Liked in the US but mostly irrelevant everywhere else. As a European, I believe I've tried a single dr pepper in my entire life, which was in NYC, and I basically never see them in europe. It's a duopoly between coca cola and pepsi here, though, local (cheaper) brands do also have some success.
I feel that PC is where its at so many indie games and small devs you can mod the games and customize every little bit of processing to your liking I wish you the best of luck
Honestly, it's... Weird to hear that Xbox is (probably) going to die in some time in the future. Correct me If i'm wrong, but to me it's like watching the fall of Sega from doing their own consoles to only being a third party developer. then again, this video reminds me why PC gaming will truly never die
Sony would die faster than Xbox would. Microsoft has 3 trillion dollars and counting, they will stay as long in the gaming space as they feel like, they literally have play money and still reach record new profits and revenue, they are a monster Also people keep saying just because Indiana Jones is on PS5, that it spells doom for Microsoft. That Indiana Jones game is not made as a true triple A exclusive, it was built as a first person multiplatform title. If it was built like it was Uncharted and looked and played like Uncharted 4 with a team engineered to make an entire franchise off of the Indiana Jones games, they wouldn't part with it and put it on Playstation. I really feel a lot of people, including the guy making this video are very reactionary. Sony is bleeding money and even Spiderman is not turning a profit for them with the game bring 400 million to make. Sony is far more at risk not being able to operate than the 3 trillion dollar company that bought Activision blizzard with their pocket change money and defeated the FTC while doing it. Microsoft simply is just having to build franchises and games from scratch while having no real foundation put in place for years, unlike Sony and they are paying for it and rightfully so. They will get past this point but until they do theyvare gonna get that criticism
People are completely misreading the room. MS is fine with supporting what is a tiny fraction of their business when it is serving their long term goals. It's not analogous with Sega at all. MS has been investing heavily to now have the biggest monopoly in IP and games as a service.
@@ricln5464 They don't though. Microsoft gets the profits . . . after all operating and marketing costs are paid. The thing you're missing is that by owning the studios Microsoft ALSO assumes the risks if something bombs. If an independent mega publisher crashes and burns, it's somebody else's problem. Microsoft could wash their hands and turn to the next up and coming publisher. If Microsoft's in house mega publisher crashes and burns . . . It's Microsoft's problem and they're on the financial hook to clean up the mess.
@@superninja252 Eh, Original Xbox lucked into Halo as a console seller that made xbox the home of console FPS. The rest of their exclusive lineup was pretty hit or miss with some real darlings but nothing that would have moved consoles on its own.
I disagree. Because when SEGA was crash and burning with the Dreamcast, they were still putting out games of various niches and trying to push the envelope. There was still a need to work hard, innovate amidst the disaster incoming. There was creativity there and a real joy for gaming to be found. They were willing to fight till their expected end, the type of fight Microsoft simply doesn't have in em. I'd think they are closer to Atari (though obviously not eating shit like the Jaguar was) in the sense of apathy towards their current console and a fundamental misunderstanding of what gamers want.
I feel since 2020/ 2019 or sega has been doing very well and are in no danger of dropping out. Xbox IS the next sega as they don’t seem to be doing so hot in terms of console sales. I predict Xbox is going to stop making consoles first and then Sony perhaps significantly later. Nintendo will be left standing
@@aruce9get with the times. Console sales haven't been a major factor for these companies in a long time. They all lose with console sales, no matter how many they sell. Why else would both MS and Sony now be 3rd party publishers?
Honestly, with the huge boom in the pc gaming market over the past few years, I’m surprised Microsoft haven’t put their chips in on moving the Xbox brand to PC’s. Now they SORT OF have, bringing game pass to pc to cash in on the huge pc market has gotten the attention of some pc gamers, but knocking on the door of steam’s monopoly isn’t enough to tear it down. Honestly speaking, I’m surprised Microsoft hasn’t flirted with the idea of game ready Xbox branded Pc’s. Sell a pc whose specs can play the newest games at around 60FPS and bundle in a year of game pass and Xbox cloud gaming. Sure this would switch Microsoft’s competition from Sony to Steam, but they could do it by introducing Pc’s to gamers at a lower cost. There are Joe Schmoe’s out there who want the simplicity of a plug and play console experience on the box that does their excel spreadsheets, and they also don’t have the technical know-how to build one themselves nor the knowledge of what computer specifications they need to buy a pc to play games with. The existence of pc only games like Counter Strike and Lethal Company extrapolate this demand.
I think this would run into the problems MS had with Office back in the day, when they got sued and fined to hell and back. Partnering with PC makers to sell branded PCs that boot into the Xbox App would be seen as anti competitive, for trying to compete with Steam lol.
That doesn't align with their goals. It's all about Game Pass for them. If you're a casual they want you to pick up a console, which hardware to graphics is more affordable. Or to get consumers to use existing MS laptops or PCs, better yet if they can get them to cloud game in the long term.
@@radroatch the problem with game pass is that no one wants it who doesn’t already have an Xbox. To get people to switch to using game pass, they need to bundle it with something that people want, and the market has swung in the direction of wanting pc’s. Xbox has in my opinion the greatest opportunity here to compete with Steam. The demand is there for people wanting to move from console to pc, all Microsoft has to do is take it.
It doesn't matter that Bethesda titles are multi platform. Microsoft still gets its cut either way. The Xbox as a hardware brand was never going to recover after the kiss of death that Don Mattrick delivered during the Xbox One reveal. Once Sony pounced on the opportunity and (most importantly) digital sales started picking up steam, the market calcified. A not insignificant amount of people won't jump ship to another ecosystem if they can't move anything over.
Remember when Xbox marketed the Kinect as "gaming for people who don't play games?" You know, cause a controller is just too complex for the 'normie' consumer? So they just needed to make Xbox One require a Kinect, to really hook in that mass consumer market yearning for the experience of voice operated UIs and always-online gaming? I guess owning your own games was just too steep of a threshold for the average consumer too. Or you know, owning the console.
I find it fascinating that the Kinect has found more success as a sensor package for researchers and media projects than it ever did as a console peripheral
@@TrinSpin To be fair, it was a readily available machine system with stereoscopic cameras. Its less that the tech was revolutionary and more that it was a commercial off the shelf solution for something that was previously highly specialized and had to be built one off by every research team.
To be fair, Google barely tried to do anything with Stadia. They cancelled the thing a mere year after announcement. Hoping it would somehow boom instantly was just delusional. You have to endure a few years of loss until people know and trust your product.
PlayStation ain’t better this generation either however no one criticises them. Both PS and Xbox could have done better this gen but gave us one of most boring lacklustre gens of all time And to people who want Xbox out, trust me you don’t want a PS monopoly. PS6 will cost 800€ and games will go to 90€
I agree but; the problem is that Microsoft does not seem to have a sense of direction. And even though playstation is in the same 'lack of games' boat, they seem more determined rather than trying to turn a gaming brand into a generic cloud gaming software as a service. This brings more faith, however little, than Xbox who are just talking without saying anything in particular about the future of the brand. Also, a lot of people know that Sony is not a trillion dollar company with gaming division on the side, they are dependent on PlayStation so they know that Sony will not just drop the gaming console tomorrow to become a software provider.
Your point about mobile gamers not being the target audience is actually massively misinformed. See, there's actually tons of countries where it's basically the only accessible gaming device and games like Genshin Impact and other recent mobile games have really pushed the boundary on what even counts. Sure, most of them are free to play, but if you put all the games on the same streaming service, I can guarantee you that they'll make a ton of money because, yeah, a console is a pretty big barrier to entry. At this point, many people just use the Xbox as a Game Pass machine, so honestly, selling games to be played on Game Pass Cloud makes a lot of sense. Now obviously, they're still gonna make a new console, but they're also gonna be pushing this just as hard, probably because it honestly makes more financial sense given the absolutely horrendous sales.
Also, here's the most important thing.... The biggest market for video game revenue in the world is....CHINA And consoles are banned, they don't know about the ps5 or xbox, and the median wage per month is 400 dollars, so only 1% of the people have a PC. Now.... Microsoft has a great relationship with the CCP. They can easily introduce their xcloud service there and.....HAVE BLACKMYTH WUKONG on their service Here, that's how you make money. You target where the money is, and for gaming, there are essentially 2 major markets - the US and China The two minor markets - Japan and the EU There are no other markets
The reality is Sony needs PlayStation. Microsoft is readying for the reality that consoles are looking less and less appealing with price looking more similar to PCs with every generation.
Problem is , Sony is bleeding money. They are barely turning a profit at all. Those Insomniac leaks told a huge truth that sony never wanted exposed and for good reason Microsoft makes a profit just by existing and they just hit over 3 trillion dollars as a company. They are only growing more and more exponentially. They are playing the long game, because they know they can handle any losses thrown at them, while Sony can't.
I don't disagree with you but. I also think it's a bit missing the point. Console AND PC hardware are both getting pricier with less and less to show for it each year. Don't get me wrong, there are some very pretty games you can run on PC at 4k 144fps . . . But I'm not sure how much that improves the experience for anybody but the most devoted graphics conoisseurs. Meanwhile, the guts of most of these games, the underlying logic and game world geometry, can be handled by the hardware in a steam deck. Because that hasn't been the bounding limit on most games for years now. The hard core graphics snobs are going to be annoyed if they detect even the slightest bit of stutter or graphical artifacting in a game over streaming, and the casual players, playing casually, won't care much if there game is locked at 1080p and 60fps on medium low settings as long as it plays smooths . . . which can handily done on relatively cheap hardware without introducing all the headaches of streaming.
@@Bustermachine buying a PC that costs $800 is better than buying a console that is $700 and will in a few years not only be old but need to be replaced completely. A PC will age yeah, but you have a choice whether or not to upgrade and spend X amount of money. I agree with you on some points but it seems like the big point of choice and control over the actual product is being missed. Also sorry I didn't format this as well as you did yours. I am very high.
Some points on your comments, and I mean like 2 points because I wont write a page on a comment. 1) Microsoft couln't shut down their new aquired studios to release playstation version of their games , because of a MONOPOLY LAWSUIT , and obviously that was part of the deal when they bought them 2) The POINT of buying them was the profit in 2 ways, 1 in the playstation sales, and 2 bringing all those studio games included in game pass pushing people to think to buy an xbox just to get all the games they want and increased sales of their console and streaming service Xbox is obviously making their way on to all streaming, way ahead of playstation, but will continue to make consoles
@@TheJohhnyE yes Indeed , and they will make consoles because the consoles are their "alexas" , they will change the versions of the consoles, like S and X , streaming with firestick and tvs etc .. and all coexist in the same streaming service , its really cool, and sony wont and cant do that .. they are to small for this gigantic plan
I love my Xbox, I soft modded it and upgraded it's internal hard drive back when the 360 came out; I also loved my 360 but I accidentally killed it installing a early Gligli Glitch exploit device (it was a skill issue on my part). I then graduated to the ultimate "Xbox" PC Gaming. The thing is if you can afford it, PC gaming is obviously the way, not because of graphics or hurr durr elitism, but because for the most part it's easier to play your classic titles, obviously now days that's a little less true, but you can still throw a Virtual Machine on your PC and install DOS, Windows 95, XP, etc so as long as the issue isn't with third party activation servers or something similar you can still enjoy the game you bought thirty years ago. I mention this because the entire reason I got into console modding was because I was SICK AND TIRED of my discs breaking, my Nintendo DS carts getting lost, etc. Sure you can have a disc resurfaced, but that does no good if someone sits on it... I prefer physical media with the option to make a digital backup, but to be honest like many I've fallen "prey" to Valves amazing Steam Sales to the point I own very few games physically. The nice thing is though even with the third party servers and DRM you can just pirate the game you own and run that in a VM or on your computer if you're bold (heck these days even in a VM has major risks). The reason people bought Xbox was IMO because of one specific game, Halo. Well the good Halo games and the new ones are all on PC now. Which was a smart move on Microsoft's part as they got me to repurchase Halo 1, 2, 3, and Reach (I never cared for ODST just because my TV was a CRT SD tv and it was BRUTALLY difficult to see in that game). That's money they'd never get from me for an Xbox title. Xbox\Microsoft's problem is they didn't renew the deal with Bungie and instead tried to go it alone, ruining the IP. I will never forgive Microsoft for replacing Cortana like that, sure a new AI is one thing but a freaking duplicate? Maybe kids these days don't remember the heart breaking end of Halo 3 but us real Spartans do. Cortana cannot be replaced she was unique.
Part of reason why Microsoft still puts up with Xbox is because they would lose their PC OS Monopoly, The majority of server-side Os are now running Linux, The only reason casual desktop runs windows is because there's games on it
Also because microsoft killed any office suites in the late 90s-early 00s so companies were groomed into using only microsoft office with it's proprietary file formats.
Especially because the PS4 and Xbox One generation is when people started getting their games digitally so there’s no way to to really get people to switch consoles now.
Recently I heard someone say something like "Xbox wants to be the Netflix of games". It looks like that's what they're aiming for with this cloud thing. I don't think it's going to work man... but who knows, back in the day most people were willing to rent/buy a movie and play it in their DVD or whatever, maybe with gaming the same will happen? But certainly not in the near future I reckon...
I’ve never been an xbox guy until recently, I love my Series X. The back compat stuff is so great. I hope Microsoft makes a handheld that can authenticate my discs.
I just got a Series X recently, specifically for backwards compatibility. I have a bunch of old 360/XB1 games that I'm replaying and its awesome. Plus, through Dev mode I'm emulating PS1 and PS2 games that I grew up with upscaled to 4K 60fps, lol. Plus, newer games usually run really well on it if I get the urge to play them. I got the console for £300 (used) and at that price, it offers SO much! Loving it!
@@FWayfinder The steam deck and rog are so tempting but i’m the type of person that tinkers with the settings all day instead of actually playing games. Maybe one day tho
Exactly this. I've been with Xbox since the OG and sold my Series X last week due to now having a gaming PC and a Switch. You can see where they're going with their strategy a mile away. Make Gamepass their focus, ditch the actual console, have Gamepass on PS6/Steam/Switch/Wherever else and rake in the licencing fees by being a publisher and not a manufacturer.
Game Pass won't go to PS or Nintendo. It will only be on MS devices, PC or console, and why they will continue to offer a console for sometime even if it doesn't sell well. there has never been that much money in the hardware side of consoles, it's always been about selling the games, and now it's about selling the services.
I believe Microsoft doesn't understand 4G is not powerful enough to stream games that require more data than angry birds. I live in KY. We have sketchy Internet. The infrastructure needs modernized to 5G which is instantaneous and reliable. The model Microsoft is betting on is antiquated. They will crash and burn and I'll witness it all. I own a series X and games. But can't play always because internet lag. LAG is detrimental to any quality gaming experience. Wake up y'all . Buy physical. Pawn shops are excellent for game deals. I pay 5 for 25 on the regular.
We are now entering the era of PC gaming. When I was a kid, everyone had a console. Now everyone I know has a PC. There's literally just no benefits to having a console anymore
No benefits? I have nothing personally against pc gaming, but that’s a fanboy statement. Consoles are cheaper, more convenient (plug and play, no tweaking before every new game), games are waaaaay better optimized on consoles for obvious reasons (bad/unplayable ports are rare compared to PC gaming), you don’t have all the cheaters that plague online gaming on PC, ecc. It’s fine if you want to play on PC, but there are plenty of benefits that consoles have over PCs (and the reverse is obviously also true).
@@kevinalonso6338 Also the usage of physical media, which can be bought and re-sold, unlike digital copies. Although subscription services and sailing the seven seas might change that.
@@kevinalonso6338 I'm going to say this is VERY circumstantial and comes down to whether you were already going to own a PC anyways. If you needed a PC, or a laptop, for some reason already, then what you're really doing is rolling together the cost of the console and PC into a single device. Which might end up being cheaper overall. For instance, when I bought my laptop, I splurged an extra 200$ to get the version with a 4060 GPU. Now, will it beat a PS5 or Series X? No. But it was effectively only a 200 dollar upgrade for a mobile devices. And generally I have not had many 'tweaking' problems with most PC games. Maybe 1 in 20, usually a more obscure title, that I have to change something.
the histories of knowledgehusk and alternatehistoryhub are crazy lmao. ive been an on-and-off fan of them both throughout the years and id come back to a huge change and be so confused
It's possible they're gonna pivot more in the direction of being a game platform and making the console more similar to the Steam Machine (with an Xbox version of Windows being available for OEMs to put on their gaming PCs with more gaming/performance centric features on by default and a shell that better supports controller and remote control inputs than Windows currently does).
*Sony is already seizing the opportunity of Xbox leaving the console market hence the extreme asking price for the latest PS5, in a world with no competition the consumer will always suffer*
Contrary to popular belief, console companies like Microsoft often sell their hardware at little to no profit, and sometimes even at a loss, due to high production costs and the need for competitive pricing. Instead, their real revenue comes from software, digital sales, and subscription services. Xbox, for example, focuses on services like Game Pass, Xbox Live, and cloud gaming, offering access to a vast library of games and online multiplayer features for a monthly fee, creating recurring revenue streams. This shift away from hardware-centric profits allows Xbox to build a cross-platform ecosystem that reaches gamers on consoles, PCs, and mobile devices.
Microsoft: "We are making a new console" Fans: "Thank god, new hardware. I was starting to hate this cloud gaming shit" Microsoft, about to release a stadia clone: *sweating
@@leggonarm9835"Pc fan boy" nah that's just called understanding the superior platform to play games on lmao. Consoles are great, but pcs do everything a console can do plus a lot more. Any game you can play, I can play it on my pc, regardless of what platforms you own. And to boot I could probably get it for free 😂
I mean this completely seriously, the fact that it is PS5 vs Xbox (????). I am watching the video and I literally don’t know what the name of the most recent console is. I was buying an old Xbox to play some really old games with backwards compatibility and my god it’s horrible trying to figure out what version is what. Vs PS2, PS3, PS4, PS5.
Yeah if you haven't been following the console industry it can get pretty confusing what can be played on what or which games are better on which console. Especially xbox is weird with this.
I think xbox games coming to playstation would be a major red flag only if sony wasn't also taking their core exlusives, ratchet and clack / god of war, and putting them on pc. Exclusivity seems to be deing industry wide.
The bad news if Microsoft stops the Xbox industry it will cause a lack of completion for PlayStation and console players will be paying higher prices than normal and a lot more games will become PlayStation exclusives this is bad.
don't forget nintendo still exists. Yeah they're not a big competitor for sony and microsoft but I'm certain people who go to nintendo over sony's playstation because of the price point.
@@AutZentus that's true of course Nintendo is a specialization company it's more on the go but not mobile switch for example This is where It's tricky you have physical games in game cartridges and digital games but there not so graphically enhanced Nintendo is a wild card in this game of company's however the tidal wave can shift if Playstation gets too greedy and Xbox is out of the play. There are a lot of unknown variables
@@AutZentus it would really be a David versus Goliath situation but David in this case is not directly in the fight It just so happens that David I mean Nintendo would grow in sales because of Playstations hubris that's how the fight would play out.
@@kevinalonso6338 I'm not fond of Nintendo's stances, but there's a dogs breakfast of IP laws that have to be navigated regarding fan products and it comes down to whether a company wants to actually do that. Nintendos solution is just to nuke everything rather than risk something getting snarled in court. And lets not pretend the emulator community didn't bring the pain to themselves regarding Yuzu and the TotK launch leak. It's one thing to be emulating 20 year old Gamecube games in an obscure community that's keeping a low profile. It's quite another to be encouraging people to pirate Nintendo's current flagship game while soliciting money for your emulator's development.
Microsoft is backing out of the console market. Without doubt. I own a Series X and have over 425 digital games on it and 30 physical games. I also own PS 2 , Wii U, WII, 2 3ds XL, DSI XL, PS Vita, Anbernic handheld, Kihn Han retro console with thousands of retro games in HD. I can play my current Xbox games going forward cause they can be played Cloud, PC, Tablet, Smart phone. So I will never buy another system in any ecosystem. I'm set for life. With my physical DVD , CD, MP3 collection. Never spend a dime on streaming service. I'm set.
You are right about one thing- you are missing something. I don't even know what it is but the People at Microsoft making these decisions, they do. It's refreshing to see a creator who knows to admit, 'i don't know wth is going on' but we can all speculate. If they allow this kind of speculation instead of just telling us what's up to curb their bad reputation well then- that makes me very skeptical about anything since it seems it could easily be worse than we imagine.
Gaming in general doesn't want to be gaming anymore. We went from affordable consoles with thousands of good games to overpriced streaming boxes with barely any games at all and even fewer actually good ones. This is what happens when you don't gate keep your hobby.
Gaming isn't some niche hobby, hasn't been since the 80s Gatekeeping it is literally impossible with how easily accessible it has become over the past few decades The focus on short-term profits and pleasing shareholders who don't even know what a Nintendo Switch is has ruined it far more than anything else
@@malif1279 Gatekeeping is the wrong word, and also a deeply unhealthy concept when applied to something as broad as gaming. But yeah, a big issue is absolutely deluded expectations of what a 'successful' game looks like and the fact that incentives are to make games for maximum monetization rather than, well, fun.
@@TheHulk1850 not gatekeeping the normies is what attracted the business suit types that caused all that. Gaming as an industry was 19 billion dollars in 2007, the best year for gaming ever. the same industry in 2023 was worth 184 billion dollars because there's way more people playing now than there was in 2007. that's what ruined everything.
Seems like they are ignoring the housing situation too because more people are going to share houses which means the internet will be shared by more people, making it slower so streaming anything is loosing it's value!
I’ve been talking about the last video you mention at 1:26 and I think it’s safe to say now it was a fairly accurate summary. It honestly helped me understand the state of the industry and certain decision making processes better.
I think if Shattered Space was priced at $9.99 or something the criticism wouldnt have been as bad. If they cared for there fans they would have made it free.
Microsoft is trying to do "Xbox Anywhere" but considering what happened to Stadia it will end up "Xbox Nowhere" pretty soon. Whether you like it or not it's the cold hard truth that consoles live or die by the exclusives.
The real difference between Iwata and post-Iwata Nintendo is that Iwata knew that the only thing enforcing quality in the Nintendo brand was their OWN integrity, and post-Iwata Nintendo knows that all they have to do is perform better than struggling brands like XBOX and they'll be king of the heap. Pokemon Scarlet isn't the most embarrassing AAA game ever made because it had to be - it's the way it is because they knew it COULD be.
Eeeh, I'm not sure I buy that. The fact that Game Freak/Nintendo pulled back from the one game a year release schedule for Pokemon because people pushed back on how stunningly broken and unfinished Scarlet and Violet was says everything. It's also important to keep in mind that Pokemon is its own beast and has been for a long time, and the insane release schedule is part of it. A new Pokemon game must synchronize with a new season of the anime, new merch releases, new Pokemon Go events, new everything. Post- Iwata Nintendo may have *thought* they could get away with a Pokemon game being that bad, but they very much couldn't. They saw being better than Xbox as a lower bar than it actually was. For as bad as Xbox is doing, Nintendo could still pull a WiiU with whatever comes after the Switch-- just because they've taken longer to cook on it doesn't automatically mean it'll be better. Just like every console maker in the last decade and a half, there's every possibility they could learn all the wrong lessons. The bizarre variability in quality of games Nintendo has been putting out show that, like how out of nowhere in Echoes of Wisdom the frame-rate will *crater* and how some remakes have immense amounts of care and passion put into them and other just suck. Iwata-era Nintendo was a very rarefied thing, but it's over now and it's reeeally starting to show.
@@MoonLitChild My understanding is that Pokemon has always been a barely glued together mess under the hood. It's just much easier to see this in the 3D games.
Honestly, I don't know why Microsoft doesn't push toward their largest market, and that's the PC market. Windows is THE OS, while I am not a fan of it because monopoly bad, they already basically own the PC platform.
Firstly, your entire video falls flat due to the fact that more Series console variants have just been released, discless and disc. Secondly, that "5 to 1" statistic was clickbait and at an outdated time. Series consoles have been selling more lately and VG Chartz has Series consoles being 2 to 1 in total sales to PS5's as of September (30 million vs 60 million). In fact, in the US, Series consoles were near on par with PS5's for the latest monthly sales. This is partly due to last-gen customers who have yet to jump to current-gen (and there are a lot), who don't use gaming PC's, realising the value of Game Pass and the upcoming titles to come both this year and next, and partly due to the obvious nature of how lacklustre PlayStation's line-up for the PS5 has been and how sparse it is looking for the foreseeable future. There is a lot to play out and you've jumped the gun with this video with misinformed points by trotting out tired notions of the situation. Microsoft is all in and has been since the failure that was the first Xbox 20 years ago.
I do think your right, the infrastructure isn't really there for cloud gaming right now unless they have some wonderous new tech. I also think your right about how your not gonna get people who play subway surfers(ftp games) to play on the Xbox anywhere cloud service or whatever they end up calling it and paying high end for what basically equates to a worse product. like I like to play marvel snap, and that game is on pc and on phones, and I prefer to play it on phones, cause the pc version isn't really any better then the phone game. I mean i might lose connection cause phone, but its not any better on pc in any real way. like one reason i bought an 360 was it had a good library of games, and cheap games at that, and it was cheap and it wasn't all Nintendo stuff ( i mean i love Nintendo, but I don't really feel like they always have the most diverse library and they are allergic to cheapening their games.) I feel ever since then they have kind of majorly craped the bed, by adding a bunch of things people don't want or need. like the Kinect or always on drm, HDdvd and/or just like having crappy games on their console, and there are like no killer apps that you can only get on their console, so why should you get an Xbox? like if they were doing something no other console was doing, but i can do everything and more with a ps5, the answer they should be asking is why do i need an Xbox? personally I don't see the reason. Like even if they released the xboxless Xbox tomorrow and it worked perfectly, I don't think they have the good will built up for something like that to work. cause of stuff like closing down studios and just having a glorified tech demo for halo. not only that but cloud gaming to me just feels like drm with extra steps, people didn't like it when they Xbox one did it, they didnt like stadia for it, and it honestly seems weird to back that horse again at this point. You also don't have an extra reason to get it like, oh it'll play movies really well and i can play my physical media on it. It doesn't even do the weird peripheral or gimmick thing that Nintendo like to do at least once a year at this point. So again why should you get an Xbox?
I think the issue is that microsoft can buy any number of beloved IPs. But if they proceed to mismanage them into the ground then they might as well have lit the money on fire. You only get a cut of the money, after all, if people want to play your games. And Microsoft had frequently been the touch of death in that regard.
@Bustermachine oh trust me I agree they're incompetent, bungie staff were giving us hints of that since Halo 3. I'm just trying to rationalize their decisions from a purely business sense. it could work for them in a worst case scenario, Xbox goes under and then all they need is to just retain licensing rights to make money with less overhead
Stadia died because Google can't make a deal so already owned games can be streamed, so people has to effectively buy the game (again) to Google. Nvidia on the other hand has _some_ deals, so if you owned one through Steam you can stream it. As far as i can tell Geforce Now is okay. The future of cloud gaming is play *already owned* game anywhere you like. Sure the latency etc, but if you don't have to whip up entire PC tower that's a balanced tradeoff. Combined with Game Pass, Microsoft _should_ be fine moving to cloud gaming ala Netflix.
The Cell processor is not so hard to emulate, especially on current hardware. PC Modders managed to do it two years ago and they have neither the budget nor the documentation Sony does. It‘s just laziness that is keeping Sony!
Depends on the game. Most 3rd party stuff is pretty good but a few 1st party games that heavily used the cell still require a beefy set up for okay performance.
With hindsight I have no idea why Xbox spent 8 Billion dollars to acquire those studios. Their business model is so broken now. It feels like they took away the value of game releases because you can play it on gamepass. How is Xbox not more Games focused? Xbox just make games! WTF is going on?
In regards to the CMA cloud thing, the reason why the CMA approved it was because MS gave up the cloud rights to Actiblizz games to Ubisoft not because they took MS's word on things. This leads to the strange case where if they want to release said games on the cloud, they have to pay Ubisoft for the rights to do so for any game developed in the next 15 years.
I have always owned the original version of the Xbox one, I also switched over to PS For the first time and got a PlayStation five, I regret that there’s no Games for it and I just use my Xbox all the time
