Yamato, The Right Ship For The Wrong War 

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I NEED A MONK! MONKS PLEASE!

Yeah, so Yamato is basically every MBT or Heavy driver in tank games.....all this armor and health, but imma camp and guard the arty.

@@thesoldier.tf2243 FOR THE EMPEROR

@@Umbrella419 dont let them pin us down brothers

Ah yes, yamato was the peak of battleship building, but she reached this peak too late.

Single most true thing I've heard in my life

Japan would NEVER do that...

Somehow this sounds fitting for imperial japan.

@@aaronsanceda4085 Iowa was better

Also Regia Marina. Also Royal Navy.

10 interwar biplanes: arrive Bismarck: why do I hear boss music

@@monnomestbizarre Swordfish: Call an ambulance....but not for me.

Tirpitz

Some One biplanes had nothing to do with the sinking of the Bismarck...

You got a point there

Bismarck didn’t get destroyed by planes tho

@Bigg GIB'S fun house yes, so it's both the airforce and the Royal navy

True

@Ilyass Abbad what Chinese aircraft carriers are you talking about?

*0/10 didnt banzi uninstaling*

Banzi!!!!!!!!!

True

Nikkity BENZIII!

Teko Banzai!

Really makes me question why on earth SIX naval powers kept on building battleships in WWII EVEN AFTER THEY WERE SHOWN TO BE USELESS. WTF US/Japan/Britain/Italy/Germany/France?!

syaondri Yes, but that’s not the dumb part, the dumb part is when Britain (and Japan, US, Germany, France, and Italy) kept with battleship projects even after said aircraft improvements. Hell they kept at it even after 1941, the point where aircraft carriers or land-based bombers had proven superior to battleships! They could have scrapped the ships under construction to free up the dock space and resources, or converted them into carriers, but (Shinano aside) they never did it.

syaondri The very fact Japan knew the importance of carriers (and pioneered strike group doctrine) only makes the decision to build the Yamato-class even stupider. They knew it was a bad idea and did it anyways! Especially since the guy in charge of the whole fleet knew it was stupid. The same applies to the US: why waste resources on battleships if you already know carriers are better? The Iowa-class was actually NOT designed for carrier escort, but as the fast arm of a battleline to chase down enemy battleships with their speed and firepower: they were designed in 1939, before the US actually realized the value of carriers. It just turned out that as the Iowas were being built, their intended role became nonexistent, so they used them for other things, things that didn’t require a battleship (instead of being more sensible and just cancelling the ships). And using a battleship to do the job of an anti-air cruiser is extremely cost-inefficient. The US should have scrapped the Iowas and built an equal tonnage in CLAAs to get the job done more effectively (and cover a wider area, since no one ship can be in multiple places at once).

Battleships are good fot escorting carriers. No surface ship or swarm of surface ships could get within Firing range.

You can always go to the infantry though

Play jurassic world evo

my dad punched a harbor in Hawaii and now I have to be sent out *after the war* Hey dad how are ya doing, I’m not feeling so well Well son I got hit by the sun TWICE and now we have to find your ass

Yamoto

Baba o’Riley starts playing

heh robot chicken

True

"Alright, 5 direct torpedo's are in the water. That should rip it in half" Yamato: >tanks all 5 and keeps firing< I DIDN'T HEAR NO BELL

and bombs

It was actually torpedos and bombs 19 in total and also yes it took it but it was listing bad to I will give it that it did take multiple torpedos and then list but that’s why they have ballast tanks which did help a lot.

the modern floating cit- I mean aircraft carrier would like to accept your challenge

Oof

It would be Simple History

What happened to Simple History

Big oof

They didn't die

By... recommending them for a description of the Yamato?

I still find their content interesting and like their channel tho.

@@charlesouderkirk4724 they made many half assed or flat out wrong videos. Like those on the Samurai or Knight.

@@konradvonschnitzeldorf6506 if you actually watch their content their videos arent half assed. Also, theres not supposed to be great details, it's called Simple History for a reason. I still like their content and find it informative. You can have your opinion, but you're not gonna sway me by saying that and not providing specific evidence. Also, before you get your panties in a bunch, I dont watch just them for history and information. Kinda why I'm here.

The Yamato was held back by Yamamoto at Midway, because he didn't want to lose anything else. It was not too far away. Had Yamamoto engaged it... Yamato's excellent surface speed could have put its 18 inch guns in range of American carriers whose planes were occupied on strikes. Same with Group Taffey in Leyte... Although they deserve credit for their Honey badger / David vs Goliath strategy. Yamato was outdated because it was underutilized, for fear of using it and losing it. One of history's great whoulda/coulda/shoudas!

500 snipers vs one heavy

@@sayhallo3769 can't beat my sandvich

@@orangeyellow9695 Piss

And he spams the medic button while he does it.

Yamato is trying to do a hitless run but sucks at doing a hitless run

...nice profile pic bro

If I am not mistaken the KMS Tirpitz was bigger then the KMS Bismarck. The Bismarck was the only capital ship that actually fought a ship vs ship battle (two actually)

Caio Duilio in 1876: hold my spaghetti

@@Athrun82 Weren't the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau considered capital ships - two of the four Kriegsmarine battleships. The two fought the Battlecruiser Renown in 1940, took some damage and successfully ran away. 2 months later they sank the carrier HMS Glorious along with its escorting destroyers. Of course these two ships were fast enough to overtake their targets or evade. Then at the Battle of North Cape the Scharnhorst was engaged by the HMS Duke of York in a storm at too close a range to escape in time and was ultimately sunk.

Iowa:Atleast I'M still alive

I really wish the US would've allowed the postwar JMSDF to keep the Nagato as it's flagship rather than just fucking nuking it.

@@NorthKoreaUncovered lol you must be non american After pearl harbor every true american wanted the entire japanese fleet in Davy Jones locker We might have our issues but the minute another country attacks us that's when the United in USA comes into play🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

Michael Smith I am American. I’m guessing you must not be older than 14 since you’re clearly unable to discern an opinion made in hindsight from the reality of a situation that happened 65 years ago. Also no we’re not always “United” when it comes to conflict. Feel free to research Vietnam, or Iraq, and Afghanistan which you should already know since they’re wars currently going on and are likely older than you are 🤷🏻‍♀️ But please don’t let my Bachelors degree in history interfere with your google search right?

@@NorthKoreaUncovered public education failed you badly Or you would have know that the us made it a point to sink every vessel t be japanese used in the pearl harbor attack the last ships being sunk in leyte gulf (ironically done by some of the same american ships sunk at pearl harbor)

​@@ifyourmarriedyourasimpanda7440 Lol "You posted an opinion that wasn't emphatically pro-American so you must not be American!" Republicans are fucking hilariously stupid. He clearly just expressed his opinion that he wished the Japanese had been spared just one Battleship which would only benefit the US in the post-war era as it would give the newly formed JMSDF some power projection capabilities. Nowhere in his comment does he say he's ignorant of why the US did what they did. The only person in this entire thread who's ignorant of anything is you who clearly wasn't educated properly in reading comprehension.

*cough* Battle of Jutland *cough*

Elijah Waithe Jutland happened before aircraft carriers, and it was literally the only time where two navies risked a good chunk of their modern battleships.

ya it was the only real capital ship fight like how all the kids like to play in WoWs

Boomers gonna Boom Except Carriers are actually being used. USN Carriers not engaging something like the Russians/Chinese has nothing to do with Carriers themselves - that's high up into politics. If anything, Carriers are the reason why there arent wars between major powers :P

@Friendly Neighborhood Neocon The Death Star could be lost as it'd trade wonderfully in a battle. The problem was the Emperor going onto an unfinished one after it's previous version was destroyed, without a replacement for himself. But the First Order could apparently afford one that was 5 times larger and lose it without any harm.

Hood: Hold my magazines...

And the last time

USS Arizona: *you too?*

Titanic: Join the club!

Bismarck looks like a cheese grater after getting hit with more than 2000 shells

and lots and lots of saki!

Santiago Trujillo Tobon Aka; the WORST. NAVAL. FAIL. EVER.

Santiago Trujillo Tobon this. Please. P L E A S E.

*Muffled CYKA BLYAT IDI NAHUI in the distance*

@Emil Merenheimo Yeah, some fishing ships in the north sea that they somehow confused whit Japanese torpedo boats.

Emil Merenheimo Even worse, they actually lost that engagement due to friendly fire.

They did that for battlestations Pacific us navy final mission you have to stop yamato from beaching her self on land

Y yes

That would be impossible

I can't help but wonder how far the bow would go. I'm imagining the bow scything through the beach for a good distance. Depending on the spot it might even hit rock!

USS Massachusetts is going to have her Casablanca flashbacks with Jean Bart as a makeshift artillery

This is just your typical incompetent heavy unit on WoWs

AAAAAAAAA, IM DYING!

Meanwhile in Atlantic fleet:if it has no turrets disabled aaa torpedoes and radars it stays in the ocean

"Guys, the Grey Ghost, go kill it"

payday 2 reference?

"wooooosssshhh, boom! lol planes are cool." "Dishonorabu."

if they send modern planes, they might have less chance to win over Bismarck Elite Crew but the problem is.. they were outdated Bi planes and Elite crews cant hit that (not train for biplane). The Allied won over Bismarck because firstly they intercept the radio communication and 2nd.. well they know the crews dont know how to hit biplanes somehow..

@@mirage_panzer2274 the Anti Aircraft shells and bullets went right through it and the planes were fine cause wood

Mirage_Panzer The biplanes flew too low for the AA guns to be very effective. Modern aircraft would have been even more effective against the Bismarck. The Pacific war showed that no matter how good your AA was, planes always got through

The wehraboos here are making a better defense of the Bismarck than their AA batteries did.

It’s debatable if the Yamato-class is the greatest battleship; I’d consider the class the second-best battleships, with the Iowas coming out ahead due to their speed and still-impressive size. (You could add better targeting too, but even the most accurate battleship fire was quite inaccurate simply due to the conditions and distances involved, so that’s not THAT big of an advantage). Of course, even the Iowas were obsolete during WWII and really shouldn’t have been built, so....

Yamato: holy shit, nobody has a more embarrassing death than me. Bismarck: Hold my obsolete torpedo bombers.

I agree on everything but the accuracy. The Iowas were surprisingly accurate, so much so that in the 80s they decided their analog fire control was good enough to keep. Iowas could fire accurately at beyond-visual-range while performing high speed maneuvers. Of course that accuracy is only for landing shells in the area they want them to land and can only really be called accurate compared to other battleships. Yamato didn't have near the accuracy. No other ship did except the South Dakota (and North Carolina to a point). Iowas didn't have magic radar that told them precisely where to lob shells BVR, but damn if it wasn't so good in the 40s that even in the 80s they kept it.

Couple??? It took almost 400planes to sink the yamato

@@AgeraRS7 r/wooooosh

That's the sad part.

It's even more cancerous now.

Look man, niggas gotta eat, and world of warships cookin.

*Rams ship* *Atomic detonation*

Yeah WoW is complete shit now

Bismarck got fucked up by a single torpedo but ok

@@morgansboobies no 1 torpedo is what doomed it by destroying its rudder so it could no longer alter its course from going into open, it took practically every British ship in the Atlantic (well over 15+) conversing on it and firing from all sides for 2 hours to actually sink the damn thinh

@@xxxhalo4everxxx yeah that's why I said 'fucked up'

@@xxxhalo4everxxx relatively easily disabled though. Yamato held up longer in an even worse situation.

Can never get sunk if you spend all your time in drydock *taps finger on head

What if they made a space battleship out of the Iowa instead?

The unwillingness to use the Wave Motion Gun was their biggest flaw.

You know, I kinda love the fact everyone ignores that the plot was that they used the Yamato's hulk to hide the actual space ship they were building underneath it.

@@Sorain1 well they did name the ship after the hulk.

This is amazing

Yep, Yamato's first time firing in anger was at little bitty escort carriers that they thought were fleet carriers, destroyers that they thought were cruisers, and wee little destroyer escorts that they thought were regular destroyers. And yet those tiny little ships held the Japanese fleet at bay, preventing a flanking, until the latter retreated. It was the only time carrier AA guns scored hits on enemy ships, pilots whose planes were out of ammo went on dry runs to try to scare the Japanese ships into turning, one bloke even leaned out of the window and emptied his sidearm.

Submarine in the Sky shooting Japanese ships with a pistol - nice!

Somebody actually threw his coke can at Yamato during the engagement. No joke.

Submarine in the Sky You mean only time firing in anger. The Japanese figured out the identities of Taffy 3 during the battle, but they still treated them like heavy units because of how insane they were.

Just makes me wonder why Potential History hasn't done a video on Taffy 3 *HINT HINT*

Rip

Simple history is pretty cool tho

@@seth4014 True LOL, I literally slept when I watch one of the video

Lol, simple history is great, but they don't really give philosophical stuff, more just facts. Different, but not bad.

the visuals are pretty bad

Meh, everyone made pointless battleships in WWII.

“You’ve turned off you’re targeting computer, what’s wrong?” Dauntless Pilot: “Wait, we have targeting computers?”

@@barleysixseventwo6665 The dauntless was pretty much the US Navy's version of the Y-Wing.

I would disagree. Tarkin doctrine saw the use of terror as a primary means of pacification - large capital ships and stations to lock down a sector and ensure imperial control. Yamato was not like that - it was made like that because Japanese navy KNEW they can't take on the USA in the numbers game, so they had to make up in quality department. In Star Wars, Empire had everything needed to take on the Rebels in both quality and quantity and their naval composition and doctrine had different origin. Also, SW is a bit stupid on that part because they tend to have the biggest ships being destroyed in the same way as the smallest ones - for the sake of the story. Imperial Star Destroyers are being blown up and destroyed faster than even TIE fighters in most SW media, which is bullshit. But, they need it for the story, so it happens. Yamato is simply the result of "Shit, we can't build as much as they can - we need to make our smaller number throw a bigger punch if we are to stand a chance". Completely different doctrine from Tarkin.

Except the Tarkin Doctrine actually worked lol

Underrated comment

Unrealistic. USS Enterprise did sink most of the IJN’s ships but DID not sink the Yamato

Damn, that's brutal revenge...

Gets sold for scrap for no reason

@@wallaceandgromit6383 She did help sink Musashi at Leyte Gulf.

...is that actually a thing? (edit) Yup, it's real.

If it is real i will play it

@@wildmexican6316 Better get your wallet.

THEY HAVE BOB SEMPLE

I need this before my life is complete

LastHairbender oof

Well, Lucas did get the idea for Jedi after Japanese samurai called Judai

@@theshow3521 And Darth Vader's armor and helmet looks like a cool samurai gears.

John Ilarde yup

I mean the whole starwars franchise is based on the Second World War... so.. yeah

Possibly. The trench run is really just a remake of the damn busters with toy models.

Musashin’t

Except that the Japanese public never knew Yamato even existed. Remember that this was a secret project.

flyingmachineholders

I see your a man of culture as well

Open your country stop having it closed

Knock Knock Its space Battleship Yamato *Wave Motion gun Charging Noises*

@@r.a.5468 Because it was in his history of Japan "Huge boats With guns Gunboats"

Lol

This meme is old, unoriginal, unfunny, and absolutely my favorite thing ever.

Yeah this ship got sunk by a massive number of planes. There isn’t a single ship ever built that could survive that level of onslaught.

It was more than two

2 torpedo bois

The Yamato displaced more tonnage than all 12 ships of Taffy 3. One of Yamato's turrets weighed more than the each of the 7 destroyers and destroyer escorts that attacked with such courage, audacity and ferocity to send the 23 ship Japanese task force packing. The US Navy's finest hour, IMHO.

Thunder Rabbit oh I’m fully aware how they humiliated center force

Kurita was dumbass. He had a huge advantage against Taffy 3, and yet he failed to use what advantages he had effectively. He spent most of the battle thinking he was facing cruisers and fleet carriers, using armor piercing rounds against ships that could easily be annihilated with explosive rounds. Meanwhile, many Americans were panicking. A lot of them thought they would die, though they figured it would be best to go out in a blaze of glory. I read an interview with some veterans from that battle, and they painted a pretty clear picture of how bad it was. One poor guy was reduced to shooting at the enemy ships with his revolver, and another pilot ram completely out of gun ammo and bombs, so all he could do was fake out the Japanese by pretending to strafe them and dropping his fuel tanks to trick them into thinking he was dropping bombs. They were amazed they won.

The Battle off Samar was actually significantly less one-sided than often claimed to be, mostly because Taffy 1 and Taffy 2 were launching air attacks on Centre Force the whole time: the air attacks in general played the biggest role in the Americans winning, and the aircraft were often armed with stuff that could actually hurt enemy capital ships-the idea they only had ineffectual weapons to use isn’t true and ignores American primary records.

@@bkjeong4302 does nothing to diminish the fact the Yamato and the rest of her force accomplished very little relative to their force size and ultimately failing their intended mission. Not to mention their poor communication and lack of reconnaissance meant that even tho they sailed thru the San Bernardino unmolested they ultimately were running blind.

"I'm not a hotel!"

Isn’t this common knowledge, especially to KC fans?

No bully the mighty Yam-yams!

It was a mix of her large time in the dockyard instead of being in combat, and her luxurious interior that would make a 5-star hotel jealous

and destroying simple history.

She was also chased off by a little tin can.

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I'm not sure what's worse. That or summoning her Machine Spirit and giving it a human body to kill sea monsters.

Type Here glory to the god emperor glory to the imperium of man

Not that it'd work particularly well, since Machine Spirits may just be biomechanical computers, of which the Yamato has none.

Gundam (sp)?

Wasn't it...'years' ago?

Panzerjäger Tiger-P-Elefant Ferdinand well it was years ago that you were a good idea. (Joke about your name)

@@Loup-mx7yt wow, tohtally didn't catch the joke was about my name, was it now? (JK JK I'm not an Idiot I know a joke when I see one, mine was on your typo in case you didn't notice, Monty =\= Monthly)

I need monthly jokes about large snakes NOW!

Monthly Pythons Flying Circus?

Imagine being able to survive multiple bomb hits and keep on fighting. This post was made by battleship gang.

I think you meant navy gang.

@@ronindraco4194 imagine having to die a horrible and slow death? *_tHis pOsT WAs mAdE bY THe sOlDiER gaNg_*

Imagine going to war This post was made by the Civilian gang

@@phxmaell1338 Imagine fighting and dying in the most gruesome way but not getting any recognition This post was made by the partisan gang

And make the remains unwreckonizable.

Marvilon Gravidez The Yamato wasn’t sunk by USS Enterprise. The Enterprise had to go back home in February of 1945. She was damaged by Kamikazes. These are some of the carriers that sunk the Yamato 1. USS Lexington CV 16 2. USS Hornet CV 12 3. USS Intrepid CV 11

Owari Da

Iowa best waifu

Tirpitz: obviously, you haven't heard of me...

Why is only “USS Enterprise” in the comment? Why?

Ain’t no way…

Feed Fancier What? Space Battleship Yamato? Whut is that?

Shit son! You are about to find out about the good shit here! Before you read the rest, I suggest trying to hunt down a copy of it. Either the one from a few years ago, or the actual original show. So yeah, as to what it is. Space Battleship Yamato is an anime, and one of the great classic ones at that.. First show was made in the 70's and there has been a few remakes over the years (quality up in the air) since. The show gets the name from the fact that future humanity is forced to build a great weapon to save us from extinction due to a war with an alien race that has forced all remaining humans under the surface of dying and wasteland Earth as all other colonies or the like have been wiped out. Earth was fucked until we get a message from another civilization out there who are rivals of the ones attacking us with plans to build a machine that can travel to their homeworld and give us a means to fix Earth once more. Humans, because we are humans, work out that if you reverse the way the engine works then you turn the engine into a giant fuck you weapon that takes out the enemies. So we mount this engine/giant fuck you weapon onto the hull of a wrecked WWII ship that the aliens overlooked because no species out there would be stupid enough to care to do anything with a 200 year old trashed wreck of a ship designed to fight only on one type of surface (not under it, not over it, but ON it no less). Only some idiotic race would bother to think trash like that might be worth more than target practice at best. So humans, because humans fuck yeah, take that trashed wreck and mount a powerful God engine/fuckyou weapon onto it and shoot that bad boy into space where we wreck merry hell with the aliens. BONUS! A show that was connected with the original anime, but never actually shown too directly is Captain Harlock. Captain Harlock is if you let a space pirate be the type of space pimp that Lando WISHES he was. This show is also worth tracking down and is also the bomb. Thank me later for letting you find out about this stuff. :D

tl;dr Space Ship Yamato is well received and about as much respected as Akira all over the world.

@Dimwitted No it isn't, stop lying. Compared to Space Ship Yamato, SAINT SEIYA is more well known and respected over the world. SAINT... SEIYA... a series that somehow managed to make butch Sailor Moon/Super Sentai wannabes... boring. XD

@@VunderGuy : Eh. Depends, a version of Yamoto (think it was called Star Blazers) was insanely popular in the US during the early 1980's. It's kind of beloved by people who were kids at the time, the same way Voltron and RoboTech are. So some older fans (my age) have kind of a soft spot for it. Also compared to a lot of 80's cartoons it was downright Shakespearean. Still made me laugh when Starcraft put Yamoto canons in game.

RedAmerican1945 More like the sports car was intended to be used for a race that got cancelled. The entire Japanese plan was to use the Kido Butai to gain air supremacy so they could bring in the battleships (which is a seemingly reasonable plan, but stupid because you don’t need battleships at all if you have carriers) Then Midway happened.

Who then finally decides to drive it only to crash it a few moments later

More akin to a very expensive custom offroad vehicle consigned to the same fate.

RedAmerican1945 and then a bunch of metal birds shat on it

More like if a millionaire bought some really fancy electric car that could do 500 km/h but run for 30 minutes so it'd be just driven out and back to garage.

And what?

Uh, yeah, that's how ships work m8

WOT is better in every aspect though

@@mlbraby nigga how

@@viper_7712 at least the naval combat is better, plus I'm a ship guy so...yeah WoW is better for me

Sorry my mistake I read wrong lol

I wanted to say that WoW naval combat is better Tha WOT one

Nice read too. White American?

The SH voice is so nice.

oh shit here we go

Hue Wave no one cares :p

@@NoahgotLEGO exactly, you're a wise man I shall not care about this comment also :p

Bob Semple was banned by the Geneva Convention. Not even Kim Jong Un wants to make such weapon.

I had to look this one up. I'll give New Zealand credit for something thrown together on the chance they were invaded by Japanese with no support

It’d be like the white death of the naval theatre.

Imagine Bismark And Yamato in WW1, costly but my gosh death to anyone probably

​@@glitchy3963the royal navy was pretty big so imagine hundreds of British ships vs yamato and Bismarck

yes, the pinnacle of ww2 weaponry, never used for the fear of blowing up the home islands

Nah, the strongest weapon was its ammo detonating while it sank, taking out more planes than the combined AA fire of its group

@@athrowaway3487 no idiot it’s the wave motion gun, it shoots enemy spaceships

I saw that one coming

@titan uranus Stfu

@@levidavis6101 hes right

@@silviachristandl5874 not really

@@levidavis6101 hes kinda right

world of warcraft isn't historical?

Al Cell THANK YOU.

True, she was built in secret because she was a direct screw the rules, when it came to the Washington treaty.... but, had she survived the war we know how she would meet her end...... nuked.

Wray Day Nah the Japanese would have destroyed her themselves. They destroyed most of her plans so nobody could see them, remember.

Well, I mean, technically they did destroy her by sending her out on a suicide mission. But I mean, if we had captured her at the end of the war... she would of been sent to the bikini atoll's for testing.

Wray Day IF the Allies got her, which is a very big if. Japan would have her scuttled rather than captured.

Because the IJN lacked effective fire control systems to aim the guns, along with VT shells with proximity fuses. And because most of the AA guns on Japanese ships had no protection for their crews, who could be easily killed by strafing attacks by fighter aircraft. That made it relatively easy for the first dozen or so aircraft to eliminate much of the anti-aircraft fire. Also the American airplanes were better armored and had self-sealing fuel tanks, so they could absorb more damage. Japanese aircraft were more vulnerable and suffered increasing losses against the steadily improving USN anti-aircraft guns. That's part of why Japan turned to Kamikaze tactics, because their traditional bombing and torpedo attacks were becoming less effective. With a Kamikazi attack, it didn't matter that the pilot was already dead and his airplane was mortally wounded when it was by then free-falling toward its target.

What hurt the Japanese the most was the lack of heavy and intermediate AA and that their light(25MM) AA gun was largely ineffective.

Anti air guns are not good at destroying aircraft. They're better at distracting aircraft, throwing off their aim. Rather then sinking them and its how the battleship is obsolete

Hello fellow Sabaton fan

Just gotta say that the Bismarck was kinda small compared to Yamato and Iowa.

@Marty Man r/whoosh

@@morgzcoopz2955 woosh, 2 bombs weren't enough, and now we have to deal with anime

@@morgzcoopz2955 ok, i was wrong and you were right. Im sorry for doubting you

We didnt nuke Japan hard enough. *looks back at massive stockpile of nuclear warheads* Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Marty, catch that joke! I can feel that the wind will blow it away further and then you’ll lost it forever, so you need to be hasty, my friend!

Nathan Kingham Not to mention that every WWII major power except Russia made the exact same mistake. (Italy was especially bad, they built 3 new, quite advanced battleships only to never be able to use them properly) Actually Japan was the one who figured out carriers first. The Kido Butai was a completely revolutionary concept that rendered battleships obsolete. Too bad that it rendered Japanese battleships obsolete as well, giving the US the chance to catch up and overtake Japan by building even more carriers.

Only to never be able to use them? >Bismarck sorties once, sinks Hood, and is sunk in turn >Tirpitz hides in port it's whole life >Yamato gets to fight at Samar - but gets chased away by a torpedo, and the next time it enters combat it's ended before it even gets close >Musashi gets sunk before she even arrives vs; >Littorio fights at the 1st Battle of Sirte covering a convoy. She later fights at the 2nd Battle of Sirte, damaging several cruisers and destroyers despite fighting in a violent storm, and delays the convoy so it is sunk by aircraft the next day. In company with her sister Vittorio Veneto, they endure countless air attacks as they move to engage Operation Vigorous - and then the British decide to cancel the entire operation instead of risking another surface action like 2nd Sirte >Vittorio Veneto sorties against Operation White, causing the British commander to launch his aircraft early and retreat - as a result two-thirds of them are lost. She fights at Cape Spartivento covering Italian cruisers by chasing off the battlecruiser Renown, and then later takes part in the Battle off Gavdos, damaging a British cruiser before being forced to retreat because of repeated air attack. She's hit aft, similar to Bismarck, but not crippled due to a far better rudder placement, and thus makes it back to port on her own power. Later she partakes in the attack on Vigorous with her sister. >Roma does not engage in surface combat during her career, and is sunk by two Fritz X guided bombs. Roma's career was pretty dismal, on par with most other major Axis battleships, but to claim that the Italians never used any of them is laughable, given they were the most active Axis capital ships of the war.

Phoenix jz Yes, the Littorios had more actions than other end-generation Axis BBs or their Allied counterparts, but they still never actually did what a battleship is supposed to do, which is kill other battleships. So they still never got used for the one thing they should actually have done. I may have exaggerated things a bit, but the point stands: no WWII naval power was actually able to use its last, best battleships properly due to all of them becoming obsolete upon launch. Italy had the smallest ship-building capacity of the lot, meaning that by building 3 battleships they wasted dock space and resources that could (and should) have gone into carriers. (Notably, Italy never bothered building carriers before the war began, while Japan invested heavily into carriers and even Germany was able to make a halfhearted attempt. If Italy had a larger shipbuilding capacity or skipped the Littorios, things may have been different) Also: note that Tirpitz actually caused damage to Britain by just existing, though that mostly has to do with Britain being dumb enough to counter a ship that was obsolete upon launch.

Bk Jeong what part of “carriers were never tested” was so difficult for you to grasp? Nearly all of the battleships you have pointed out had a major danger to the allies/axis. The Bismarck and Tirpitz held such a danger to allied shipping that it required them to for basically a witch hunt for both. Calling them “dumb” because they didn’t build carriers basically shows that you haven’t taken in anything I said. Battleships were not obsolete in the slightest. The sinking of the HMS glorious by the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau proved hat battleships were just as capable. Carriers were useful in the Pacific, yes. But in europe where all naval combat took place where land based aircraft could easily reach them, carriers would have been a waste.

Nathan Kingham Glorious happened because of human stupidity. Also; Taranto and Pearl Harbor happened before the Yamato’s or Iowas were completed, that should have shown everyone that these two ship classes were now useless.

I see your point, but what do you do with your experienced pilots if you have no carriers and finally no airports (since they were obviously prime objectives of any bombing) to make them fly?

Japan still had plenty of CVs , but with the cream of their naval aviators gone AND the rapid obsolesence and loss of their aircraft, the die was cast. They had no more truly experienced pilots. Remember Japan used a quality over quantity strategy so squadrons for these major missions were made up of the hand picked best of the best of the IJN were USN doctrine had a smattering of sr. pilots mentoring many newer ones. These losses would reverberate through the IJN until the end of the war and be magnified 2 years later at the battle of the Philippian Sea aka the great Marianas turkey shoot where the Japanese lost +or- 600 aircraft and crews along with 3 more carriers vs minor US losses as the US was increasing the power of its naval air forces with the Essex class CVs replacing the prewar designs. and the Hellcat fighters replacing the prewar wildcats. After this the IJN was only a shell of its former self.

@@GreenHoleSun Japan ran out of pilots before they ran out of aircraft carriers.

True, although they also had a lack of planes so that didn't help any

@@GreenHoleSun the battle of the Philippine sea saw the Japanese leave their carriers in port for the rest of the war because of the loss of air crews

Dumb Comment Bismarck?

@@h3nder please restate your question

Dumb Comment I get that you are talking about the German ship but what does it have to do with Yamato?

@@h3nderdo you require me to elaborate? I think you just searched about the Bismarck not so long ago.

frost thehos 35 torpedo bomber and 3 battleship plus 4 light cruiser and 3 destroyer

I can just imagine that conversation between the politicians and engineers, even ignoring the ammo explosion. Politician: What do we got here? Engineer: A hull that was designed to float on water, that was shot up until it could no longer float on water, and has been submerged in salt water for two centuries. What's not blown up is rusted, what's not rusted is rotten. Politician: Make it fly. In space and atmo. And able to fire both its original shells, laser beams, and give it an even bigger gun where the forward anchor room used to be. And give it auxiliary space boats.

Fucking rekt

I have a couple of these on my calander.

@@PotentialHistory : I figure. Please consider the 442nd and Leningrad. It's not that history has forgotten them, but it sometimes feels like they've gotten snubbed. Be well, and I am glad your channel seems to succeeding.

Yay! What about myths and opinions on Zhukov?

What book are you talking about?

@@DeepCFisher Probably, Death Traps by Belton Cooper

Dirlewanger Brigade🤔

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That’s not really an oof it’s more of a “if I’m going to die I’m taking you with me”

@@LoverBoy-ks9qh No, its literally a *big oof* , the Poles thinking that the russians will come and help em kill the german soldiers and to liberate the city, but instead they just sat there and let those two kill eachother xD And just when the poles were beaten and the germans wounded, then they came. It could also be called "Curb your Uprising" or a #1 in "Top Ten Anime Betrayals"

cresta2000ESP maybe I just think this one could be treated at least a little seriously like the last panther in cologne video

I can explain my profile pic *Battleship* dipshit

Bardock SSJ3 I'm just joking jeez and i said *naval ship* not battleship

If you are talking about the Essex Class Carrier, than no, Bunker Hill is 250m during WW2 and Yamato is 263, but the nuclear CV, CVN 65 is larger than the Yamato.

Bardock SSJ3 the length of the ship has nothing to do with its size due to ship size being measured by its displacement (weight) I can explain my profile pic due to cv"N" 65 not even being thought of when yamato was afloat your post is invalid

bjorn1583 Long story short, define your term. How you define "largest" is like how you define "the best" it varies for each person. I mean of course if you mean tonnage or weight, then the result would be different.

Probably that was thing only during it's building, not for all it's service life.

@@kaletovhangar You couldn't take photos of it, you couldn't draw pictures of it, the gun size was a secret, just how much could the citizenry even know about the ship? And why would they count on it if they knew next to nothing about it?

Exactly this. The civilians never knew she ever existed until after the end of the war. The USN didn’t really know about her until 1943, and they only started paying attention in 1944. And they didn’t know just how much firepower she had EVEN AFTER THEY HAD SUNK HER. If not for SBY, this ship would actually be very obscure outside of military science.

@@Edax_Royeaux cause the Yamato docked in japan and you could see it by yourself

@@Dota2funny /sarcasm But I don't live in Japan, so how could I see it my myself? More seriously though, just because someone can see a ship in the dock doesn't mean that suddenly an entire population would put their faith in it. Especially if nobody knew what the ship was called or what it was armed with or if was even sunk in combat or still out in the Pacific.

佐井トラね子 It’s a misconception that needs to die, really.

Japan: Joins WW2 America: **Exists** Japan: Hah, we'll bomb pearl harbor America: **Sends giant Glowstick in rock** Japan: **Dies**

@@comrade4354 *pearl. I wonder how long it would be till you correct it or get reported.

U.S.: *How bout I do, ANYWAY???*

hmm yes make it seem very tiny of a threat

imagine this with G.Kurfurst with like Twice as powerful AA defence and greater survivability and more torp damage reduction?

Superblobby is the opening a reference to something?

robbie hughes not really, it's just the song that played during his sponsor for World of Warships. Baba O'Reilly by The Who

Superblobby I meant his opening monologue

robbie hughes I think Palpatine in the Robot Chicken Star Wars episode 3, but that kind also hits on the notes of typical movie tropes.

It's a parody of chiche/tropey movie openings, what with the " _record_ _scratch,_ _freeze_ _frame_ " and "you're probably wondering how I got into this situation" and whatnot

Meh....still a greater number of historically accurate vehicles than WOT's paper tenks :/

andrew lee agreed

*Hello fellow children, do you have a moment to talk about War Thunder ships?*

Well they do spruse up the ocean floor.

In a weird school girl kind of way

zzebra ......To sink

Yeah they are beautiful... On the ocean floor.

They look even more beautiful as a artificial reefs

And how almost nobody pronounces it correctly: ya-ma-TOE

I was so excited to see a Star Blazers meme

Johannes Jonzon It’s funny how a lot of actions on both sides of that battle were misattributed. For one, the torpedo salvo that drove Yamato off for a good chunk of the battle? It came from Heerman, but Johnston originally got the credit. And literally all of Yamato’s hits during that battle were misattributed to battleships that weren’t even in the right place at the time. The same happened to the Japanese cruisers, which did the most damage.

I know right!, I always surprise that not even a single RU-vid Chanel dedicated to history has cover that battle (HELL or even made a movie, considering how much people love histories underdogs making a desperate stand against a force 10 stronger and wining, a movie about this battle will make millions)

3Eldoctor Probably because while Taffy 3 did win, they weren’t unscathed.

Good point, but that does not change the fact that this battle needs more atencion, I mean, we are talking about a bunch of small ships that were only use for escort going against he Japanese main force, forget about the fact that the Jamato was heavier that all the ships put together, they were out number 1vs 2 going against not only the the biggest battleship ever build (Yamato) but also 2 or nore battleships, 6 cruisers and 8 destroyers (this numbers are from memory so I might be wrong,)

3Eldoctor true.

But one saw battleship to battleship action and old, running into bad luck. The other is the over glorified Yamato.

Simple Person except that plane are far more dangerous than battleship

How many hits did the Hood take to sink again?

And all it took to kill the Bismarck was a couple of outdated biplanes.

Perfectly Balanced as All Things Should be eh, they say bis was either torpedoed to death or scuttled