Zepla reacts to Why Jobs in FFXIV are FUN by Bellular 

Thank you for the compliments on the video! Matt and I worked hard to best represent how the GCD and rhythmic nature of button-pressing in XIV feels and It's grand to see it appreciated!

Imagine being able to tell just by the sound, Preach just over here "MATE, MATE, YOUR ROTATION IS F*CKED, I CAN HEAR IT. I CAN HEAR ITS OFF. GET GUD."

Hey now. That "double weaving nuts between licks" is one big reason why I became a long term viewer of this channel.

This perfectly encapsulates why removing kaiten hurt so much. Glad it got brought up

This is correct. I'm a fighting game player that picked up FFXIV during the pandemic and it became my most played game ever.

he's absolutely right about the sound giving away the rotation, if you've memorized it. I know this as a ninja. then again im also a musician so I hear everything

I'd like to imagine that this was done on purpose so Soken can sync up music with like rotations so its a whole interactive experience between gameplay and music

Being able to hear mistake based on Sound FX is a galaxy level play right there. Like Zepla said, this person would be beyond ACT. I've been play Black Mage since 2.0 and I'm not that keen to sounds. But I could tell how well the Black Mage is based on how and where they move around the instance. Imagine a guy tells your party "I can hear you doing 4000 DPS, why you so bad?"

Hearing about how there was correlation between fghting games and FFXIV made me really happy. Because when i was learning Ninja i would remember the various ninjitsu commands as if they were fighting game inputs like: Down, back, forward for one skill, or half circle forward, etc. Glad i wasnt the only one who used fighting game knowledge to FFXIV

NIN is like Dubstep - a build-up and a drop, rinse and repeat. Love it so much.

I love it when I execute my rotations on SAM and get a good rhythm going. If you mess up and hit a wrong button , you can *feel* the disruption in the rhythm. I still wish we'd get kaiten back though; I'd like to be able to press something besides shinten.

didn't except to see sajam within the first 30 secs of the video

imagine being able to hear mistakes in someone else's rotation based on sound. this player doesn't need act. act needs THEM

I love Matt's discussions on the Belluar channel. He so good at putting words to feelings. Like, why these jobs just feel so good and why people connect with them so much.

Tbh the ice cream and nuts bit is still the best way I've heard anyone explain weaving

That's what Hydaelyn tells us to do: "Hear. Feel. Think" So the guy that hears the dps is the true Warrior of Light and Hydaelyn's Chosen.

When your music teacher is in your static and lets you know you missed a note.

This actually makes a lot of sense. When I am raiding on my SAM I often find myself tapping my feet to a rhythm, something I used to do when I was still playing violin back in high school. I never quite figured out why until now.

Okay, never played ffXIV, but as a musician that rhythmic analysis makes me reaaaally want to start

The sounds of the last 3 spells in an RDM rotation are my guilty pleasure. They're so crisp and good.

As a musician [piano included], the comparison to playing an instrument checks out to me. For me, the rhythm of Bard skills when things get going feels like a catchy syncopated beat

My mains are PLD and DRG. PLD rotation is pretty straightforward. But in order to get the most out of it, you need to hit 11 GCDs in one FoF window, and that requires your inputs to be spot-on. Many times I've seen my FoF drop right when I'm about to hit that last GCD, and it doesn't get into that window. Still, I can't dwell on that, I just have to continue. DRG rotation is something I'm still trying to learn, since it has so many OGCDs. Weaving them into the rotation without losing uptime is quite challenging. Basic GCD rotation for DRG is simple in itself. At best I manage to get everything right, but when at the same time you need to keep eyes open for fight mechanics, it's pretty easy forget what OGCD to use next, or mess up your basic rotation. If any of you are confused about DRG OGCDs, here's a list: - Jump/High Jump - Life Surge - Spineshatter Dive - Dragonfire DIve - Geirskogul/Nastrond - Mirage Dive - Stardiver - Wyrmwind Thrust - Lance Charge - Dragon Sight DRGs are getting an update, so I'm interested to see, how much it's going to change.

I haven’t played my cello and flute in forever but playing FFXIV does give me instrument vibes esp bard because of the tempo of its rotation and the muscle memory of the key strokes.

I love the answer because the change in tempo. It’s pretty straightforward only a few button presses, but when you get all of your procs or a burst window your fingers get busy. While DPS may be lower it can give the big number dopamine

Funny timing to watch this. I lost all sound midway through a dungeon last night and I kept messing up my rotation without the sound effects. Had to finish the dungeon before I could fix it.

>Listening to someones attacks to know when they do the rotation wrong "I am become ACT destroyer of friendships"

The sound direction is absolutely a BIG part of the appeal of XIV's jobs. It's not just the "percussive" sounds of Dancer's dance steps that are engaging, it's the almost "sickening" slicing sounds the chakrams make when you use your base combos. The sound direction for the chakrams really gives this sense that you're really carving into an enemy with your attacks and it's a sort of delightful, "airy" kind of flow that comes with its single-target rotation in particular. I started playing DNC because of the engaging priority system of a rotation it has and its aesthetic, but I staid because the cutting sounds are a kind of auditory catharsis.

Not only did they make the skills so intuitive to play as a rhythm, it works incredibly well on game pad! They were some how able to fit 4 hot bars worth of skills on a controller in such a way that I often don’t even need to look at the bars on my screen to get through a gcd rotation, allowing me to focus on positioning and avoiding aoes. It’s so well done I wish all other MMOs would just straight up copy the system.

The change in tempo in their rotations is such a big factor in some of these jobs and its something that I think goes a little unappreciated. Even "slow" jobs like black mage can have big changes in their tempo with leylines and triplecast and these changes are part of why some of these are fun. And why some people find some jobs more fun than others. Ninja has these very intense burst phases but then really chill in-between phases, gunbreaker has these frequent mini bursts, warrior and paladin have a steady and consistent rhythm, dark knight is similar but ramps up dramatically every 2 minutes, black mage is calculated and methodical. There's so much variety in the tempo of how each job plays that lends to both the job's personality and playstyle. It's a shame that just learning how to press your buttons is somewhat of a skill barrier (like it was for someone like me that had never touched MMOs) because its clear to me that each job's flow is very much an intentional design choice. It's also why I loathe skill/speed speed as a stat, cuz it feels like each job has a speed it really wants to be at, where everything flows together really well, but finding that is really difficult sometimes. Gunbreaker didn't click with me until I got it to a 2.41 gcd.

16:27 Hear, Feel, Parse

Someone who knows their job well enough can tell when someone does things wrong based off sound because the timings sound certain ways. like ninja always has dink dink dink before a ranryu or suiton but only two dink's for a raiton. knowing there should be a trick in a certain spot or not hearing the sound effect for raiju at certain spots is very very recognizable when you also play the job well

It's true. I remember back in the early days of WoW, I made the simultaneous decision to a. play WoW with my friends and b. learn how to play fighting games, as I'd never taken an interest in competitive games before. I felt at home in both genres and continue to play FFXIV and other fighting games to this day. They both feel really good and, yeah, there are a lot of similarities between them. This a gud video. Edit: Just got to 2:02 and I ALSO have a history playing rhythm games. I acctually just got a PHoenixwan and subbed to IIDX Infinitas. This a really gud video.

When I hit stardiver and I see the beeg crit accompanied by the boom noise it makes.

I like fighting games. I picked up XIV over the pandemic! I was surprised to hear it too 😂

Super relate as an AST main and musician myself, I LOVE my burst phases! Weaving so many things in a short time feel like playing the piano on my keyboard lol. Consequently, whenever I play other healers... I get bored. Like for WHM, I get sleepy LUL

I love the dancer outfit

Huh. Come to think of it, I had noticed that... when I started playing dps. After maining almost entirely just healer and tank. Healer unfortunately seemed to lack that internal 'musicality,' because it always just goes with a pace that's responsive to external things. Even in savage raiding where you are weaving attacks in constantly, your pace is dictated by the external metronome of boss-doing-things, not your own rhythm. And healing through wall-to-wall mob pulls was just pain. Because it's just a law of quantum physics: if you queue as healer, the tank you get will NOT know what mitigations are. Even if every tank on the planet gets mitigations hard-coded into their 2-foot-thick skulls, if you queue as a healer, space-time itself will fabricate a new tank out of the aether that doesn't know/use them. Maybe that's why healer jobs carry the stigma of 'life is pain,' because while everybody else gets to be lulled into their own little internal song and rhythm and flashy color explosions, healer is forced to be wide awake the whole time and soak in every ounce of suffering, paying for everyone else's every little thing.

Now I want to try linking musical notes to job buttons and seeing how it sounds.

Yes, my battle emote as a Scholar makes me look like an actual nerd so I can relate to that emotes per job shows the flair of the character XD

That's the reason I love the new SMN.. it feels like a really rhythmic Job.. It's like a smooth waltz.. While the old SMN was rhythmic as well but felt more like tap dancing :D

There's always that guy in chat who says they can't hear it when it's at a perfectly audible volume

I'm new to FF and NIN is one of the most fun classes I've ever played. Having to type in combos to create abilities, keeps it engaging and not boring for me. (I've never seen Naruto btw, so it has nothing to do with that lol)

I was a Mythic Raider Raid leader, I knew when anyone did something wrong. Because my group was horrible. So pretty much all the time.

as someone who plays fighting games on a high level i can agree to this

Which button is my favorite to press? It's one of three... Calling down Irfit, Garuda or Titan to fuck up shit. I thought I was going to get bored of them quickly but nope. Still love my primals.

honestly as someone who started as a fighting game player i kinda agree with this

This is why a lot of bard mains (self included) got mad about the EW changes. DoT ticks were our extra metronome.

There are times when my audio systems refused to work for a duty or 2, it was a dungeon, and damn it affected me quite a bit, took me a while to get used to it.

SAM is a class that makes very distinct sounds for each skill. After maining SAM since its release in stormblood i can definitely tell when someone is doing something wrong just by sound

3:05 My girlfriend has been playing the game for a year, never understood what a oGCD or a GCD is until she saw that clip from zepla eating icecream and nuts. Literally that made her play bard like a bard and not like an archer

Holy crap this explains why I love playing Ninja so much, considering I’ve been playing guitar and fighting games for like 20 years. And I thought it was just because I’m a Naruto weeb, lol.

watching this video made me realize that I need to play with sound. I have always played without sound since I loose myself I cant focus on where I'm going. or where I need to go. and yes this also includes shooting games.

You can definitely tell if a Ninja or Dragoon is button mashing or not using certain abilities just based on sound. Not just obvious stuff like mudras but other specific skills.

…when he mentioned that he and his friends used weapons similar to their main FFXIV jobs in MHW, I felt echos of that. I’m a RDM main, but one of my best characters in my Soul Calibur 3 days was Raphael, whose weapon is… a rapier. I swear my entire life was predicted via middle and high school obsessions ahdjabdjsosnsgjsdk (God help me if we get a new job class that uses the same weapons as Talim tho homg. Might actually make a self insert wol.)

As somebody who loves fighting games... I'm casual but yeah! I get what these dudes are saying.

For me its Cleave goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, Infuriate fucking swing is soo satisfying, and not much inner release, which is amazing, but... Primal Rend... yes... NGHHHHHHH it's so good. XD

18:30 MODDER LOCATED AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA REEEEEE OMG A MOD AAAAAAAAAAAAAA anyway, redmage armor looking pretty good.

I don't get why they would say "sorry if you are in Australia" etc because of ping. OCE servers have 16-24ping in most areas in Australia, no problem with ping. But if someone is going to connect to a server on the opposite side if the world well yeh, there will be high ping, but that isn't and Australia etc problem it is the same for anyone anywhere connecting to a far away server.

Australians have their own servers now so we actually can play Machinist

"Imagine being in a group with some guy that has the sound FX on so he can listen when you make a mistake" [sweats nervously in bgm 0 ambience 100 sfx 100] I'm not toxic I don't do that!! But I completely understand the "nope that person is playing it wrong, I can hear it"... after you've played with the BGM off for a long time and you've levelled most classes, you know how they're supposed to sound... (But I don't call anyone out, that's mean) FWIW I play BGM every first time and enjoy the BGM outside of duties. Soken is a master of his craft. It's very distracting for me because I will jam out to the music and ignore mechanics, so I have to turn the BGM off often in combat. Plus a LOT of mechanics actually let out an ambient noise, so for me as a largely PF player, it's easier for me to listen to that ambient noise and react to a mechanic when I don't have call outs.

Dancer is very ADHD Friendly! I also really enjoy monk.

So I chose to be a SAM main not because of how much I enjoy it and being a massive weeb (Don't get me wrong those are HUGE factors) but the idea that being a "greedy" job means I take responsibility if I don't meet the damage or whatever is a good self motivator to me. I don't know, I feel like with greedy jobs you're forced to take responsibility more for screw ups instead of finding easy outs which is what makes SAM my personal class. BLM is appealing for that aspect as well but from a casual gameplay experience I find RDM MUCH more fun/easier, so I guess it's a combination of preference and gameplay to make an FF job be THE job for you.

Machinist is like playing an arpeggio

I knew about the fgc retirement home thing, didn't know about the CEO room, that's hilarious

Yes FFXIV is FGC retirement home

It is only a matter of time before we seduce Woolie to FF14

Somehow to learn that one of the best player is one who plays piano does not surprise me.. all those 1/4.. 1/16 notes 🙂

That guy that could hear proper rotations would have started weeping when I finally got to 50 on monk. I haven't managed that rotation properly, I might actually need to hit a training dummy.

I like machinist because it uses guns. I don't really think about anything else.

You should try Monster Hunter again. Once you choose a weapon to learn, and learn the moves of the monster you’re going to fight… can’t describe it better than as a violently beautiful dance, especially when paired with the game’s amazing music

The fighting game retirement home is 100% true . Never played an mmo before xiv and pretty much only played fighting games . Now I play it whenever I´m not in the mood for Guilty Gear Strive

Wait that thing about having one finger keeping the GCD while others handle oGCDs is actually so perfect. I play RDM, and all my core spells (fire, thunder, aero, stone) are on my mouse, handled by my thumb. Almost everything else is on my left hand. I play guitar; my right hand is my picking hand so it's used to keeping tempo, and that motion is even driven by my thumb pushing the pick (on a downstroke). I actually use a trigger for raid countdowns on that "10 seconds!" chat message to play a short audio clip of a metronome, so I can hit my 5s precast perfectly.

I can kind of tell when another Bard is doing things wrong. Often when I am in a dungeon with a 2nd Bard I can tell they are not casting party buffs or songs because they think it will negatively effect the party by removing my buffs, when they should just do their rotation including all songs and just alternate the main party buff. I can hear this without looking but I never say anything, I just look at the aggro list and see they are below the healer and tank and know their dps is suffering without needing any mods.

About listening to sound of party members to recognize mistakes: No 3rd party addons? Nobody said anything about 2nd party (me).

When I started FFXIV I made the mistake of starting off with Monk, and it made it hard to play any other class after that because they all felt too slow (at least the starting classes). Dancer is now my favorite because it makes me feel like I'm playing DDR while everyone else is playing a combat game and I find it somewhat relaxing, but I never really made the connection to the sound effect being percussive. It makes sense. I never understood why I hated Ninja so much, but now that also makes sense. It's the sound effects and the fact that it's less rhythmic than Monk and Dancer. I also noticed even with the gathering classes, if a recipe asks me to get any kind of lumber I don't want to, but if it's a resource that involves harvesting I'll gladly get it, and I'm pretty sure it's because I prefer the noise that the scythe makes over the hatchet.

It's because they sync up music with the combat. People constantly fail to understand how Fucking Good Ff14 Really Is. It's got everything.

He was just holding the hat for his friend. He doesnt even like hats.

Pls give healers a better dps rotation. >.

Okay!! But we've all been there with hearing other people playing wrong (please tell me im not the only one LMFAO). When I hear dragoons go into life of the dragon and literally no nastrond I get so triggered, WHERES YOUR STAR DIVER HELLO??? Or like.... hard hit coming in, reaper in the group, I know when I'd press arcane crest to time it correctly and then I just dont hear the woosh of it applying.

Zepla clearly has two bunnies inside, rather than two wolves.

Bellular gaming I'd say never really have too bad takes, but sometimes they have just very strange takes

Honestly, the fact that you can't really see the nuance of your ability animations, especially along with other people's, is sorta one of the issues I wish they could address. I don't have the foggiest idea how to do it, but my jaw drops and I get giddy looking at animations in gpose, I wish I could translate that feeling into the actual combat. Suffering from success, I suppose.

If this is actually the case I don't want to hear any more WoW players drone on for actual tens of minutes about how awful FF combat feels to them.

18:40 I'm new to the game... why can't we talk about the visual?

I'm a monk main and if I can't hear my own job sounds, I cannot do a rotation well.

let him play healer lol

I find it hilarious how they cucked a lot of jobs because of weaving so they turned some things to charges like DRK and wAR but machinist's is still ping based and they won't turn it into a charge based one

SAM out here complaining about losing Kaiten while me as an ex-SMN main lost my whole job pepeSad

I don't think dancer was explained well in its initial quest. Once I understood what was going on, it's been my main. It just clicks with me. I can tank and heal to a reasonable degree, namely because I have the gear.

Red Mage wins

"Pressing a button like duh...duh...duh..." Yall wait to press the buttons...? 😖

inb4 SOKEN CONSPIRACY wiring our minds to EMBRACE THE MUSIC edit: We NEED a kind volunteer to change every single type of Rotation into music which can be changed into different genres.., so we know exactly what type of Music Each Class/Job listens too.., Id Love to Know what a INFINITE PARADOX BLM sounds like.., Edit2: Tootally not a BLM with a SideProfile AdventPlate with a Sneer..,

Healer really doubles down on this because a lot of the gameplay is reactive to other players. It's almost Luke being a dance instructor that has to compensate for other dancers' misstep

All you have to do is search youtube for "Final Fantasy XIV is going to kill the FGC". That video was hilarious.

oh lort. the sheer number of times i've dashed straight INTO bad on dancer because of misclicks... or i hit it a fly's nipple too late, and my corpse launches across the room.. also, i stopped watching bellular when i stopped playing WoW, like probably prepandemic, and thought "WOW?????? what happened to HIM?!!?" then i realized it was not, in fact, him... o_O

The joke that "X" boss music boosts up DPS isn't really a joke now is it?

20 buttons? what class are you playing where you got 20-24

This is...a hard watch for me. Because it puts into words a lot of my problems with the new Endwalker Summoner. I loved the old Summoner; it had its faults, and I wanted those faults to be fixed, but I loved the overall structure and concept. The new Summoner feels empty and hollow and _wrong._ The "music" has been utterly flattened into something alien and dull. I don't, at all, begrudge others finding joy in its simplicity, but it really sucks, because there are NO jobs anymore that do what old Summoner did, nothing that "builds up" repeatedly, turning one resource into another resource into a third resource into a HUGE POWERFUL ENDCAP and then starting over again. People called it "spinning plates." I called it "having to pay attention." Perhaps I should start calling it "playing _Toccata and Fugue in D Minor."_ Because that's what it's like: you have to use ALL your limbs, even your FEET, to play that piece. It's incredibly complicated and full of ridiculous filigrees and flourishes and "unnecessary" bits. But when you hear that music, when you hear the BEAUTIFUL plagal cadence before the final stretch, it is GLORIOUS. FFXIV doesn't have a _Toccata and Fugue_ class anymore. And that's a serious loss in my book.

29:25 Objection! Every step a blackmage takes is a separate action Blackmage has 4x more APM than Ninja And before you say "but AM and BtL" -- those count 5 actions a piece Do you have any idea the amount of force and concentration it takes to bend the fabric of space, within the timespan of a ninja generating a little bit of static electricity??? Chart's wrong *micdrop*

That's me lol. Im the dude listening to you push the wrong button and it bothers the shit outta me! This skill isn't as uncommon as you may think. People can hear your attacks quite clearly, and yes, we do notice that dragoon rotation you keep botching while we're turned around