@@MdG-o2q no but it was te atatu to matiatia, then around to putiki bay, then to hooks bay, then in very light wind to port jackson, but thenngood wind came so just when to tryphena, arriving right before dark. A couple of days there then up to bowling alley bay, then to whangaparapara. A couple of days working on mihi then to triphena in mihi towing the proa. After salling mihi in 25 knot sw in tryphena decided it was not safe enough to go back to NZ, but the proa was. So left it there and crossed to port jackson (on this leg i lost the action camera with all the action footage! While it was so calm i could read a book and nap) last leg was port jackson to coromandel, that one was quite exciting! Then visiting local proa guru gary dierking then caught bus back to city and came back in the cat. It was SW the next week so it would have been beating to windward a long way, but next desitnation was whangarei so downwind to coromandel then a close reach to whangarei. Was a great trip! Will definitely make sure that i do not loose the camera next time!!!
@@Tyler-s7s yeah the best bit was when one nearly hit us! It didnt look like that on the camera but it definitely felt like that when it was happening!
@@dominictarrsailing Nah bro I just watched it again and it looked nuts on camera. You see how these guys race. 20 ft from your boat is a mile for them, for us it's full panic mode 🤣 Awesome footage!
good spotting! yes, I was but I have brought up my other boat (raven 26) to stay on because I need to work on the interior of Yes Let's and living in a construction site is not ideal. Just dropped anchor!
@@richardcalvert387 i have tried that and the spray found a way round. Possibly my hull shape is too splashy. If it was longer could be skinnier with finer entry
it's 4.2 meters (because that's what would fit across my catamaran without sticking out) the sail is a little more than 8 square meters I think. less than 9. The boat is only about 60kg rigged, so sail area displacement ratio is mid thirties (including my body weight)
@@markpalmquist thanks yeah its pretty close to the theoretical maximum based on square root waterline length, and lots of things that could still be improved
@@dominictarrsailing depending on how much your boat is heeling you may be able to squeeze out another knot of speed with a slightly larger sail. The length water line formula can be broken by a proa and catamaran if the hulls are skinny.
@@markpalmquist yes, or even better a more efficient sail (with better lift/drag ratio) next I'm adding tell tails so I can actually see the flow, and I've also been thinking about how have adjustable tension along the spars and hopefully take some wrinkles out. So far I've made do without that, but that is gotta be interfering with flow. and if I add a hiking strap along the windward gunnel and a better platform I'll be able to sit out a bit further and thus have a bit more righting moment
Wow, well done, looking so much fun. Surprising how good a shape you get out of a polytarp Perhaps if you had a line from the tack of the yard, pull it tight before shunting , the yard might not catch. Where do your stays go to? If out to the ama, they might not catch as much. Have you considered a semi freestanding mast. I am thinking of an elongated socket to let it flop, but still a stay to the ama. I would still want a rudder, that sudden bearing away could then be controlled
@@markthomasson5077 i have one stay to the ama (essential) then one to each end. These dont actually go to the ends, they go to the lee side back a bit, which makes a better angle and reduced snags a lot with a crabclaw. I need to able to tilt the mast to windward (for going downwind), so the mast step needs to be able to pivot in all directions!
That was amazing. Thanks for sharing, I learned a lot about proa sailing characteristics. What's the smallest you think a proa could be and still carry about 250 lbs? I'd love to have one on my sailboat, but I'm a 38 ft cutter rig with a self-tacking staysail so space if very limited.
@@sailingmare6563 sorry this is a metric channel. That is 113 kg. Im about 65, but i have had 2 people sailing it a few times now, and also 3 people paddling it. With 3 people its submerged close to the drains so should really add plugs (only need drains when sailin hard or towing) My question is how much space do you have to fit it? Its 40cm wide, and 4.2m long. The ama fits inside the waka. Would the boom clear it if it was on deck?
it can indeed go up wind, although like most multihull you go a lot faster if you bear off a bit. I'm gonna measure windward performance once I am a place without significant current
Yes I have a yuloh on my other boat (the raven 26) hmm I guess now that I do not have a raised solar arch I could fit it on this boat, but I'm more inclined towards a R2AK style pedal drive behind the crossbeam, next to this electric motor.
thanks I made that netting myself by sewing webbing strapping together. It actually didn't turn out as well as I hoped, it's a bit too saggy. I'm looking to replace it with something I can get tighter
@@dominictarrsailing I wonder if you had sewn it at a diagonal instead, would that maybe have allowed it to tighten? I think of pulling a square by its corners instead of its sides...
@@zackariasthepirate oh interesting suggestion. hmm, maybe it would have but it certainly would have made it much more difficult to construct because now the pieces are not all the same length. I think it would have been better to make a rigid frame and then weave the webbing through it without cutting it, but then it might be difficult to pack down. hmm.
I wonder if you could use a square sail instead of a lug sail, so you could just sheet in the other end instead of having to flip the yard under the mast. Another crazy thought is have you considered the possibility of a planing hull instead of a displacement hull? Dinghies are small hulls capable of high speed .
Well the hull is pretty wide and flat (40cm wide) I think I am getting some planing effect when going fast. I think the trouble with a square sail, with halyard in the middle is to sail across or up wind you need the halyard attachment point to be forward so that there is more tension in the luff, especially so that the front of the sail doesn't back (as you see in the first sailing session) maybe you could have a way to slide the attachment point? but then it might work out simpler overall just to have a designated luff
I am thinking about building a simple boat to sail with my family( two adult two kids), something simple, light and fast that I can put on the roof of my car. So far I am thinking about building a proa with a used lake canoe as the main hull or building a oz goose, what would you do Dominic? How would you go about this? Also did you use special plywood for your proa, or regular hardware store stuff? I wonder if cheap plywood would delaminate quickly. I have experience sailing a big catamaran (30ft) but never sailed smaller boats. Thank you for all the work you put into your video and experimentation, always a joy to watch!
I have to admit that oz goose looks extremely impressive and sails way faster than you think it would! You can put a proa on the roof but it's never gonna be as fast to set up as an oz goose would be. There is a lot of rigging and lashing vs put unstayed mast in a hole. A proa is gonna require a lot of tinkering, especially if you cobble it together from other boats, so you need to have time for that and also really I think you need to live by the water and can leave it set up. I only pack down the proa before a passage, if I had to put it on the roof of a car, then set it up, then go sailing, then dissasemble it then back on the roof etc... you'd probably spend more time un/packing it than sailing. I would definitely recommend using proper marine ply, for one it has much better surface finish than exterior hardware store ply, and anyway, the epoxy is so expensive you might as well use the good plywood too
Welcome back to the North Island and congratulations on the new speed record! Awesome to see a 4m boat with a tarp sail going crazy fast 👍 Are you a convert to the new sail design?
Keep up just being you. My kind of sailing; you're always learning, always experimenting and not blowing $1000 on sails only to keep them in the locker for years!
Thanks for sharing the video. Quite a straight line, so seems the proa is pretty good to steer. Love the exploration of different sail from different lineage.
I've been hanging out for another post. Thankyou for making the effort to post.... this little proa is a blast by the looks of it. I used to blast around those waters in my windsurfer so I know what it's like out there in the winter in 20+ knots...... though we used long wetsuits 😊
I'm still figuring out the best thing to wear. my previous experience with wetsuits is they don't actually keep you very warm in the wind. might be okay for the legs? I have a woolen jumper under the raincoat and the foam lifejacket provides very good insulation from the wind
gopro which has gps built in, and then the gps data aligned with video. previously I have recorded the gps data on phone but it's a difficult to get it aligned with the video. Makes a big difference to see what is really going on!
Hmm, It looks like Three Cheers is a trimaran. Cheers was an atlantic proa. But I've sailed several tacking proa and I think I prefer the pacific tack. Ama lifting (even if not flying) feeling like a very skinny monohull. I havn't actually sailed on a trimaran. Seems like it might have two bad tacks, but I'll reserve judgement until I've actually been on a good one!
@@dominictarrsailing You are correct, I got my "Cheers" confused and relied on memory. It was also a shunter. Im probably confusing it with the Berque brothers Micromegas 3. Never sailed one but looks like fun
@@skaraborgcraft oh yes! that is a very beautiful boat and impressive journey! that one is a tacking outrigger. I have built two tacking outriggers in the past. I think it's a pretty good format and easier to make than a shunter. Having sailed those I decided I like the pacific (ama up) tack better, so on a shunting proa I get two good tacks instead of one good and one bad.
Hi Bro Like your creative style, l have small steady sails on my 34ft monohull, they are ex P class sails modified to use as jib and staysail. My main is off a trailer sailer with the top cut off to make it a gaff rig, works well, It's surprising what one can make work out off unwanted GOLD. Love your ability to make do with what's available and affordable. Cheers from MS Matakana.
Amazing bro! The greatest Shunting vid on the net!!! My Junk Rigs luff loves snagging on my head stay when Shunting, so I added bungee cords that pull them out of the way. Maybe u could try to come up with something of that sort... Maybe u have seen mine and how they work, if not I can explain later... It's very true what u say, Shunting must be flawless!! Time isn't a huge problem... But it must be perfect! A bad shunt, while exiting a bay got me on the rocks. So yeah, try sort out snagging lines, otherwise, u blew me away! Keep Shunting my friend Balkan Shipyards ❤
@@BalkanShipyards thanks Rael! Ive only sailed this rig less than 10 times so i am sure i will think of some improvements with a bit more practice. Yes i remember your bungees! I solved that problem a different way by shifting the stays back. When they where right on the end it would snag on the crabclaw but now this is a different sail...
You're doing very well mate, and your editing is top class! Sort out what u can, test it reefed, I love the small CC concept... u may have the Proa that could rock the tube... The smaller the boat, the more the fun... Keep Shunting Balkan Shipyards
@@MdG-o2q hmm what format? I think a T foil with trailing wand on each end of waka and one on ama (taking place of the leeboard) they would need to be able to turn 180, so i think that would eliminate leading wand designs. Though, once we are flying could probably just tack, especially as we will be going so fast the apparent wind will always be well forward, and will be pretty much sheeted in hard with only slight adjustments
Thanks Dominic im glad your still sailing. Which way did you go when you came back to Auck from welly and the chatams. East or West. Im impressed with your proa. It sort of looks like its evolving into a hobie cat with the net in the middle. Ill also add you inspired me a bit. I bought that proa building book you brought up in an older vid. The plans look pretty complex. I might have a crack one day.
@@jonymanay the west coat. Ive come up that way 3 times now. Much easier to plan because its just a straight haul to cape reianga. Just need 4 or 5 days of steady westerlies, and prefurably not too crazy wind in between farewell spit and taranaki because that bit is gonna be rough anyway! The east coast is easy above east cape, but below that its actually quite trecherous, especially around waiarapa, and its not just a straight line, you have to go around several capes so unlikely to get a good wind the whole way!
Great vid. I know this is not probably what you are aiming for, but it would be nice to be dryer on such a boat as dinghy cruising would be a nice thing to do in a fast boat like that tacking proa you went for a trip in, I found this one by Bernd Kohler called a CATAPROA, which might be slightly dryer, thoughts?
So I did do a dinghy cruise in this boat, but sadly I lost the camera near the end of the trip so it didn't become a video. but it was a great trip. I did make some shorts during trip though. If you want a boat like this to be dry I think the main thing is you have to sail it slow. If you keep it under 5 knots you should be fine ;) maybe 7 knots is doable even? I think there is some design space to having things like splash deflectors but once you get near 10 knots that goes out the window as water just goes everywhere. Also, sailing downwind is quite a bit drier. In most of these videos I'm day sailing and will return in an hour or so, so I choose beam reaches or close reaches. But I did go cruising in it one time, and had a lot more down wind runs. Personally I think I find it more fun to sail fast and wet, but certainly staying warm and dry is the limiting factor.
