Cool video. I like the look of the 244. have been looking at 804 and 805 also. at 1:30 The Geomax mx33 is now discontinued, the new one is the mx34, but neither are DOT rated, I think you meant the EN91. I have ran the mx33, they wear fast.
The Swiss Army knife of the dual sport world. They come in a ton of different sizes and all at a very reasonable price. Had one that was defective. Otherwise, many miles of joy on and off road. 😊
Horrible in what way? Tires, like motorcycles are all about compromises. If you have a track bike you want slicks, if you have a dirt bike you want MX tires. If you want a tire that does a bit of everything well, it won't be excellent at anything :) For what I do, both tires have worked great. If I planned on riding a lot in deep sand or slippery mud, I'd definitely get something more aggressive, just like if I went 95% of my time on road, I'd go with something more road oriented. Often it's more bad choices for the task than bad tires. :)
Im thinking about getting this bike i dont abuse my bikes i do maintenance like clock work and do a mix of Twisties and off-road riding ,this bike in the looks and torque department already sold me but the thing that i question the most is the long term reliability is this bike reliable enough to be a daily?
I had an issue with a sensor but Ive had many triumphs, and reliability wouldnt worry me. Id say make sure you try the suspensions. It seems like not all models were the same, some love the suspensions, but on mine they were terribly harsh even after 2 suspension shops respring and revalving. If its close to what you like, you should have the adjustment to make it work, if its way off, walk away. To this day its the only bike that gave me back pain, while some swear its the best suspension theyve ever had…just try before you buy ;)
I bought my Super Ten new in 2014 and still own it, totally reliable . I had a BMW 1200GS before it and had no end of niggling problems with it which is why I sold it. It was never much appreciated by the press at the time but I could care less on their opinions. It has excellent mpg and a 23l tank means fuel stops are less frequent than most.
Ive ridden 700km on mine today, mix of highway and b-roads, 160-175km/h at times, avg of 4.8L/100km or 49mpg, pretty impressive. The 1200GS is a great bike too, but to hit 100000km on it, you’ll spend a fortune. The Superten will get you there, without a glitch, as long as you change oil and tires.
I had an issue with the adjustable functionality, but overall the top box itself is well made, large capacity and should outlast the bike. The bracket most certainly doesn’t suck on all bikes. The Africa Twin is not a fun bike to work on wither its replacing air filer, adjusting valves etc…Thanks for watching.
Great review, current owner of 2016 S10 (non ES) with 84000 km on it, despite clutch cassette rattle on idle zero issues 3 and a half years and 44000 km of ownership. Having a 2023 CRF300 Rally as I am too lazy for a hiker. After my spine was fixed this winter the stone single trails are not an option for me for now/for good?. Considering swapping by two bikes for a 2024 (maybe 2025) Africa base model ES. Test rode it this Monday and man what a blast ride it was. S10 is now a speed demon and I am willing to close the mortgage before someone closes me so speed was never deal breaker. BUT this is fast, sound great/fast and pulls scary (maybe just for me), I liked it a lot. New Africa 1100 will be great on easy gravel/light off road (my primary goal) and good enough for the touring part. Only the AT bench they call it seat is a thing worth mentioning. Africa is light years lighter on the saddle - not top heavy at all - can hold it inclined near 50-60 degree angle on one foot - totaly imposible with my S10 Borko
I havent tried the AT 1100, but Im sure it feels very agile. I think for touring the Super Tenere ES is still a better bike (and why I just bought another one), but its always about compromises for the type of riding you do. Can’t really go wrong either way! 😎
You’re not wrong, 35hp is measured at the wheel, 43hp is at the crank. Most manufacturers give the numbers at the crank, that’s why I used that number for comparison purposes. Thanks for watching 😎
I have a 2014 concours with 123k miles it still looks great and everything works. I'm currently looking at yamaha super tenere's hopefully getting one soon.
I just sold the Concours, because I realized that after a long ride I had need pain (34” inseam). And just bought a 2021 super tenere 1200. With seat set to high and lower pegs the tenere is super spacious! For my size, a much better touring bike! 😎
It has more torque then power, but I can lift the front wheel in 2nd gear and even with luggage and passenger, you have plenty. Tons more low down torque than the concours, less top end. Uses half as much gas.
Just got my first DR 650 yesterday.The throttle is very slow almost sticky. I traded my KTM 525 (was the mechanical nightmare)the DR is definitely kind of a downgrade, but it’s a lot quieter. I’m just thinking maybe the throttle needs to be adjusted as it wants to stall out, even though it has a new carburetor, that’s my only complaint as I wish it was fuel injected, but I’m hoping to get this thing on the road towards confident on the road. I’m afraid to take it on the freeway because it feels like it keeps the stall out but it’s a beauty.
Trust me it just needs a proper tune. Mine was lagging down low, now its hard not to power wheelie in first gear and I can even power wheelie in 2nd gear. If the throttle sucks something is not right. Once tuned, you could think my bike is fuel injected, actually its a lot smoother than the injection on many recent bikes! You’ll love it and wont miss the mechanical issues of the ktm, but your carb is clearly not setup properly or other mods were done to the bike 😎
Here I am a year later, I'm buying another Super Tenere 1200 (same year, a 2021), and re-ordering the lower pegs, grey stickers and anti-glare screen protector :) I am keeping the DR650, but I'm definitely happy to buy another long distance touring bike again!
haha, I love the 'complete list of features'. I'm in the market for a bike, and checked out a used 09 near me. Owner has done a ton of maintenance and some tasteful upgrades. He's asking $4500, definitely considering it!!!
I have a Yamaha ST 2014 model. The motorcycle is excellent. It has been remapped, and the sport mode is now incredible. I installed a Mivv exhaust. I'm satisfied with it, but I feel it's a bit heavy for me. Especially when I add three cases and a passenger, the weight is quite noticeable. It hasn't been a significant issue for me, but I always feel those extra 20-30 kilograms. Last week, I rented a Honda Transalp for a week (the new model, 0 km), and I was fascinated by its lightness or mass. However, I found that motorcycle a bit underpowered, and now I'm seriously considering the Honda Africa Twin 1100 but with a DCT gearbox. I mainly ride on paved roads, very rarely on gravel, and never off-road. Almost always, there are two of us on the motorcycle, often with three cases, but always one passenger. Would it be worth it to switch to the Honda, and would the difference in weight be noticeable? In general, my Yamaha is easy to handle. I don't ride aggressively (e.g., after remapping, my fuel consumption is below 5l/100 km). Do you think that switching to a newer Honda could meet my expectations? I want the motorcycle to have power or torque, so overtaking trucks in the hills with three cases and a passenger doesn't require high revs. This Yamaha (remap + Mivv) already has enough power for that (2.8 sec from 20-100 km/h in 2nd gear). Would the difference in weight be noticeable while riding, or would investing in a new motorcycle not meet expectations after all?
I haven't tried the 1100, I had a 2017 and 2019 Africa Twin 1000, which to me was awesome for just about everything. The AT 1100 DCT is definitely worth a try, but aside from the weight difference, I'm not sure for what you are doing, that it's better than the Super Tenere. Also keep in mind the Africa is a higher maintenance bike (and valves will cost you a good 1000$ every 24000km) has a lot more electronics (not a good thing long term) and its chain driven vs drive shaft on the ST which is something to keep in mind if you ride 20000km a year. The AT is a very comfortable bike, but I wouldn't replace your ST with that without first trying it and making sure it feels the way you want it to feel. It's still a 500lbs and tall bike (so if you're looking for lighter, not sure it will be light enough). On the other hand, it's always a trade off, the weight of the ST is what makes it such a stable touring bike. Depending on your height you might also want to look into a low mileage BMW R1200RT/R1250RT, or even GS1200/GS1250, loads of torque, very low center of gravity (there's even lowered models), great wind protection, and rides like a magic carpet, I just wouldn't buy a high mileage one, unless it had a log maintenance from day 1, as if you start replacing clutch and driving shaft, the repairs will cost almost as much as what the bike is worth. Best advice I can give you is try before you buy, there's few bad bikes, mostly bad choices. :)
@@Speedytrip Thank you for your response. You've helped me. I think I'll stick with my Super Tenere. I'm satisfied with it, and from your answer, I could conclude that the exchange isn't worth the extra money. Sure, I'd have a newer motorcycle, but investing in movable property doesn't seem like the wisest choice to me. Thanks
You’re welcome, I used to change bikes up to 3 times a year. It’s always fun to try a new bike but today I regret selling some of them, and I could probably retire 5 years earlier had I been more reasonable lol The ST is definitely the best touring bike I’ve had, I did 1300km in a day on it, and the next day I was ready to ride again. Don’t think I would have done that on the africa with the same results. I now have an old concours 14 for touring, and the ST was still way more comfortable.
Thats surprising…is it new? Is the front tire well balanced? Have you tried different tires? When you change suspension mode does it make any difference?
I bought it new… I started noticing the bouncing issue after replacing the tires recently, I went with Shinko 705. I haven’t tried different modes yet, but I’ve noticed it’s especially pronounced when I’m going at slower speeds, I don’t feel it when going fast. I wonder if it’s a balance issue
Could very well be. Make sure bead is seated properly all around the tire and that its balanced properly. If not try a different tire next time and see if you see a difference. In my case the thing that made the biggest difference was going tubeless on higher quality wheels, my oem wheels were out of round new.
Doesnt seem like you watched the video (the seat is bad, fuel injection would be better, stock tank is tiny, vibrations at highway speeds, some say suspensions are too soft, etc)…but thanks for the kind comment, really appreciated after spending countless hours filming and editing.
@@Speedytrip that's not brutally honest especially since you caveat each one with how its not a big deal or how it's actually not that bad. you basically said the suspension is soft but it's actually just comfortable and I can go over everything that's not brutally honest, that's you invalidating your complaint.
Respectfully, if you hate a video, the best you can do is just move on without any interaction on it, otherwise you are contributing to RU-vids' algorythm (good or bad comments, tells YT the video is making people talk about it). Brutally honest just means I'm giving my true impressions of the bikes (I'm not sponsored and if I count the time I put into my videos vs what it pays me, I'm probably working for 0.10$/h. I do it because I'm passionate about motorcycles and I have a fair comparison base as I've ridden over 400000km on over 150 different models, from Canada to Australia, from a KX250 to a K1600GTL. I can only give MY honest opinion. I can’t determine that for YOU soft suspensions are great, if you know you want stiff suspensions then YOU know to expect the DR suspensions to suck. Also a 140lbs rider and a 300lbs rider will have very different impressions of the very same bike. Watch a few videos and make your OWN opinion based on what reviewers say are pros and cons, vs what YOU like and dislike in a bike. Being brutally honest doesn’t mean you're hating everything, it just means a true, unbiased review, and if theres anything I dont like I say it. Like for my scrambler 1200xe, I hated the suspensions way too harsh they gave me back pain, on my Africa Twin I hated the cost and frequency of valve maintenance (1000$+ every 24000km), etc...Im not the kind to shy away from the cons even if I just bought the bike, I tell it like it is. There's over 500 comments on this video, and I think you're the first to post that it's clickbait...if I had received tons of negative comments I would have taken it down, but 99% of the feedback I get is super positive and viewers seem to appreciate. With that said, constructive, respectful feedback is always welcome.
I personally love the classic look that the DR650 holds including the tail lights, blinkers and so fourth... Brings me back to the original Daniel Laruso Karate Kid days... Add a few engine mods to perk it up and a few other parts and you are good to go while keeping the above listed items in place... Show stopper in my opinion... !!!
Depending on your height and weight you might want risers and an aftermarket seat, and windscreen but yes its one of the most comfortable bikes Ive owned. 600km in a day, no problem. With that said, the Super Tenere is slightly better for touring. I haven’t tried the crosstourer, I dont remember seeing one on the road around here.
I already have two bikes, a HD Sport Glide and an old Honda XLX250r. But I have the feeling I might have to come up with an excuse to show up with a third bike at home 🤣
I’ve been looking around for a mid size adv bike, simple bike………check, no electronic crap to fail……….check, lots of after market parts to customize the ride to fit the rider……….check. Strong contender for what I’m looking for.
Italian bike sheiter dump talk, stick to what you have in front of you and talk about that. Comparing a barely run in Africa Twin with a shop-dust carrying new SuperTenere that barely saw the street while being an older model. The biggest comparison is that it looks angry vs. friendly, while other comparisons don’t count as there’s no real experience behind for such a long-term type comparative review.
Title of the video: "My 2019 Honda Africa Twin after 30000km vs new 2021 Yamaha Super Ténéré". If the title ain't what you're looking for, you can watch another video, why so much aggression? I cover most aspects including maintenance schedules, I even put time stamps in the description so you can go straight to what you're looking for...I got over 1k likes and over 200 positive comments, some might find it useful? Ive ridden over 150 different bikes over 400000km in many countries, I know them pretty well. It takes many hours putting a video like this together and you paid 0$ to watch it…By leaving a comment (good or bad) on a video, you are actually helping the youtube algorithms, so I'd recommend only leaving positive comments on the videos you do like, and no comment on those you don't unless it's constructive feedback). Hoping the rest of your day is better. Cheers.
The windshield motor is probably fine. Remove the windshield and loosen the plate a little. Saturate the cables and the tracks with WD40 and give it a tap with a rubber mallet. Mine did the same thing and this worked. There is a video on this on youtube, just search it.
Thanks, the bike came with a huge windscreen which seems to burn the motor, but Ill try that first. Already found another motor and stock windscreen for 130$ :)
100%, its not much easier on the super tenere but you do it less often. The valve schedule is something I look at when buying a bike. On my DR its a 45 minute job.
Thanks for watching, I've sent my wheels to a distributor in the UK who sent them to Kineo to have them design a kit for the DR650.. I'm expecting the wheels to arrive in the next couple of months (the factory has doubled capacity and they still can't keep up with demand). I'll be posting a review video as soon as I receive them :) It won't be cheap, but they are possibly the best tubeless wheels out there (I've heard of BMW owners upgrading to Kineos as their OEM tubeless spoked wheels weren't strong enough.
No particular reason they are nearly identical, I but havent tried them so can’t comment. Im sure theres many review on those as well as they are also popular 😎
Thanks for watching! :) I just picked up a 100000mile 2008 kawasaki concours 14 yesterday, as a cheap touring bike, I have quite a few plans for it, will post about it soon :) (and Im still keeping the DR, its the longest Ive kept any bike).
The stock suspension is absolutely terrible. If you want to do any off-road that's NOT just a dirt road you must fix it. Cogent shock, springs, and cartridges make a massive difference. Way safer. If you're just putting around on the road and dirt roads it's perfectly fine stock.
@SpeedyTrip I just wanted to reinforce that for the goofballs like myself. I've got 26k miles on mine, and the last thing I did was the suspension many miles into that. I do double and single track as well as ride canyon roads. For me the stock suspension simply doesn't cut it, but I do agree with you I noticed it's a bit "harsher" after changing it out. Still, I'll take that over worse traction for my style of riding.
First time I hear that about the africa, what year did you have? Any bike with a 21” is a bit slower turning but it never felt like handling was bad for an adventure bike :) what can be tiring sometimes is turbulance from the windscreen for taller riders.
On a 1000cc sport bike I can lose my license on the highway…in first gear… so unless you ride it on a track you can’t use the power most of the time on public roads, without risking your license all the time.
The slow bike fast comment is why I'm sideling my Beloved Moto Guzzi Griso and bought a bush pig, The blanket 100 klm per hr limit here means it's just not possible to enjoy a big faster bike without risking losing your licence
