2018 Ford F150: Two Turbos or One V8 - Which is Better For Towing? 

raynebrowning I know like WTF?

Totally agree! Why does FLT publish this crap?

Yeah, what the heck? Where is the answer? Don't waste 6:04 of your life and watch this like I did... :-(

Thanks. Stopped watching after 10sec and gonna block this channel

@@joapps8135 it's a great channel, dont judge based on 1 incident. SMH

Inverted Driving try towing 7500 pounds on a regular basis with an ecoboost engine. You won’t make it to 150k miles, especially with GDI now days.

Yeah, they did what they could with what they had (which was really nothing), but still had a little fun doing it. As stated already, we're hoping for a real test of these two out in CO! :)

Nothing at all smh !!

^ ya wtf

Steven D that's because it's nothing but a Ford promo

Minion Z wasted even more time making that pointless comment.

Austin Y. OK too soon to rest. My 2009 F-150 4.6 has 378,000 miles. Come back when your turbos reach 300,000 miles.

Austin Y. I'm knocking on wood of course.

I believe that the Ecoboost is a good engine...it's a matter of comfort with the product for me

Turbos are a well proven technology. The opinions that a turbo motor is less reliable only applies to engines that weren't built for a turbo.

loyal4 the way The 2018s have port AND direct injection, makes more power and will keep the intake valves cleaner.

get the 5.0 with the ten speed for that luxury truck .

Jericho1 Max tow on a gasser is like 9,200lbs and on the diesel it's 12,500lbs, but I have yet to read a good review on it.

RAM TRUCKS While your response was well thought, included relevant data to support it, and was grammatically superior to mine, I have to disagree. My 2014 Dodge HEMI has been a total piece of crap, just like my 2003 Wrangler was. My Dodge has racked up more than $3,500+ in repairs in a short time. Water pump, fuel pump, aux pump, engine mount, sunroof motor, backup camera filled with water, headlight bulb that required removal of the entire front bumper assembly to replace, and smoke from the exhaust when started on an incline.

+RAM TRUCKS Legendary for burning oil. Chrysler product forums are full of complaints.

Amen brother

Ah the old 6 blow. The biggest mistake Ford ever made.

@@calabschultz9648 not if you bullet proof it and keep up on maintenance

@@IronSwan73 No you are right? We had 6 of them in our fleet. Bullet proofed 4 of them and they were still a nightmare. Ever seen a ARP headstud stretch? Me either until I owned a 6 blow. You cant change my mind on this. Maybe you got lucky and got a decent one. But 80% of them or more are trash. Ask any ford tech. When a 6.0 comes to the shop they cringe thinking about what they are going to get themselves into. If you want a decent diesel get a 7.3 or a 6.7 if you want it to last. 6.0 and the 6.4 are trash motors.

Was looking at a 350 powerstoke, good lord....have to remortgage the house!

Buck's Shots I agree. Just like when everyone flames the titan xd. I own one and know the capabilities but the ones knocking it are the ones who cannot afford.

Zachary Martin it will come. Tho i am not sure ram and chevy will twin turbo their engines. Rams market is heading towards luxury and chevy seems to be making more electronical based engines

Zachary Martin cost. Ford will likely drop the v8 altogether in 2021 cause of cafe standards

Zachary Martin because the Ford would destroy the competition

Two-Face or destroy themselves. With ford who knows

GM has no twin turbo cars in their line up, except for the Cadillac CT6, but what they do have is a supercharger from the Corvette. So they should supercharge the silverado. Ram has the supercharger from the Hellcat so they should drop the Hellcat motor in it. Ford does have turbos so yea, twin turbo 5.0 is feasible.

"Unbelievable how stupid ppl are" Yes, there are people still willing to buy a Fiat truck.

RAM TRUCKS have you looked at Dodges issues?

RAM TRUCKS crystler has been bailed out 3 time before fiat took over and have constant issues and only saved themselves from another when they started putting Cummins in them the only thing they have is engine million mile engines but 100000 mile vehicle

The ecoboost is fine if you don't tow heavy. It just can't take the strain of heavy use. That little 2.7 has to really rev high to make its power. Crusing around town or light towing and no problems. Tow 7500 lb trailers regularly and you're just asking for problems.

Greg Rowe I really hate commenting on youtube posts, but people talking out of their ass like you just piss me off. The 2.7 and the 3.5 both make peak torque before 3k. I towed 11000lb 5th wheel with my 3.5 and I never revved it over 3k, takeoff, uphill, didn't matter. There is not a better gas tow motor on the planet. I've towed with them all, so I'm speaking from experience, not out of my ass.

Metalbass79 id be whippin my wallet out so fast the dealers head will spin for the 5.0 eco

John Wheeler Yeah, preach it! If they made it and gave it cylinder deactivation, it'd make everyone happy.

My only concern with the 2.7 and 3.5 is, how much harder are they having to work over the 5.0 to get those numbers. What engines will still be going strong after 200,000 + miles?

Eric Raney That is why I'd buy the 5.0 when I decide to upgrade. I'm on a 5.4 that is approaching 200k in my 2006 F150, my wife has a 2001 Expedition 5.4 with nearly 200k, my 4.6 2002 Mustang GT is around 170k and all 3 are going strong. My wife had a 5.0 Explorer with well over 300k on it and no problems. Heck, her 1985 Mustang LX is about to get a 5.0 transplant soon. The Ford V8 had more than proven itself. I'm not gonna say that the Ecoboosts won't hold up because I have no way to prove that, but if I spend my money, I'm gonna go with the safer bet.

they really aren't, especially for the 95%+ of owners that don't tow and rarely use the truck's capabilities. most 1/2 ton pickup trucks haul a broken down lawn mower in the bed at most in America, nowhere near the payload capacity. the engines run more air into the engine with the turbos but they're designed to handle that. actual hard work is not an issue for most owners.

Reliability is subjective.

the 5.0L hasn't been without its issues, go actually look. What many people don't seem to realize also is that though yes the old 5.0L 302 and 351 windsors were extremely reliable, they do not share one thing with the new 5.0L other than the amount of displacement. If you drive the 5.0L back to back with a 3.5L you're a damn fool to want the v8. And this is coming from a guy who actually blew a 2013 ecoboost. It was replaced on warranty, and I traded the truck in for a 2015 ecoboost. Absolutely no regrets.

Reliability is certainly not subjective. All one has to do is compare the shear number of EcoBust recalls and TSBs to the same for the Coyote from 2011-2014 and it's painfully obvious why Ford scrapped the generation 1 EcoBust and started over from scratch. So when you consider that the Coyote has more horsepower, can run E85, is cheaper to purchase, and lasts longer...it's a no brainer. Well, for guys with brains.

OFFRD It's absolutely subjective. For someone that claims to have a brain you sure as shit don't use it.

What the hell is subjective about one engine option having X number of confirmed issues and the other option having Y number of confirmed issues? You did pass 5th grade, right?

Dave Monteiro it would have like 600 hp

+Dave Monteiro Sales for the F-150 are already through the roof. 40 straight years at #1!

Nothing eco about a twin turbo V8

lukestoyz the ecoboost gets the same towing mpg of a v8

Ya, we know. That's the problem. The EcoBoost engines are all about the boost, not the eco.

In the past ten videos only 4 have a ford in them, how is that and advertisement. If it was more like 8 or 9 out of 10 is agree

Jessa Phillips all cars are reliable as long as u know how to fix them they will go forever lol

First thing people want to comment on is reliability. Time will tell. As for the old anecdotes about a manufacturer... lol affirmation bias at it's peak.

Stop with all that logic

Jessa Phillips Rams tranny and Chevys abs...say no more.

RAM TRUCKS biased much lol

Matthew Tyler A couple years ago I would have said the same thing. I have the 3.5 in my F-150 and I live at 9700ft. I can tell you after driving my buddies 5.0 it's a wonder what these turbos do. Now if they make a twin turbo 5.0 yeah I'd def go that route.

People who aren't biased towards the sound of a v8. Seems like that's the only reason they're keeping v8s around these days.

Chris Leclair and because V-8 are more reliable but that really depends on the truck too

Matthew Tyler I would never pass over the 5.0 coyote, she's a beauty of a modular engine

+TimmyTeaBag If you can provide some material to back up that claim, fine, but I think there have been a lot of generalizations from the vocal minority of people having issues. You also have to remember the EcoBoost is a brand new engine (in the grand scheme) so expect some first-year issues. Once you get past the timing chain problem and the intercooler moisture problem there aren't any other major issues. We're still going strong on our almost 90k 3.5L with only the timing chain being a concern. No regrets over not taking the v8.

Lucky, Mary & Kali it's amazing how much better Chevy's engine choices are.

Just hope you don't seize your engine with GMs AFM system. Hope you got the extended warranty!

Daniel Bell No problems yet. Going on 100K miles

Daniel Bell AntiFa Militia?

I don't know what that is. Is that something ya'll kids do nowdays?

Thanks

2.7 out pulls the 5.0.

loyal4 the way it's not and experiment like the 3.5 ecoboost

considering the engine has been in cars for nearly a decade and in the F150 since 2011MY how can you still can it an "Experiment"?

its not an experiment anymore. its proven that ecoboost works. it has been working for 6 years in production and longer than that when you count when it was actually in experimental form. hate to break it to you but less cylinders and turbochargers work.

Yea, it works until it blows up because you're pushing it too hard. And then it's expensive as hell because of the added complexity.

Jessa Phillips yeah unless your a farmer and actually make your truck work, these are city trucks meant to be driven by people who pull once or twice a year. I have a 1998 Toyota Tacoma with 340,000miles and it has had less issues in its life then the Ford did in its 25,000 miles that I had it I towed around well over 10,000lbs with my Tacoma and drove 60+ mph over a very rough field and it still drives straight my Ford could not do that I ended up trading it in and got something older which is a 2008 Toyota Tundra I haven't treated that truck nice either and it still goes great

lol and not the ford being towed

That V6 will probably give the everyday driver all the power and some additional fuel mileage for most of us. It's just a case of what you are comfortable with. Plus, the EXHAUST NOTE on any V6 screams V6...who wants that

costs to much to keep up ford like people they make a turbo v8 small like 4.0 v8 tt ford changes parts to much cost a fortune to keep up

I so heavily agree

QCetnar that's what they did to the manual transmission too.

callofdutyguy9 the manual trans getting cut out also came from regulations because they think a vehicle is more efficient being shifted by a computer than a person

Michael Bradley that's BS. Modern automatics upshift as fast as possible for fuel economy but take you out of the power zone at the same time.

Sorry to bust your bubble but 5.0 V8 isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Dodge has the Hemi, Chevy has Vortec, Ford has 5.0. That's why they got rid of the modular 4.6 2V and 3V. They had to keep up with the Jones'. When it comes to markets, gears heads will almost always go with a V8. Just how it is.

callofdutyguy9 it's not about the power band it's about efficiency like you just said

laith alwedyan the 2.7 is the most common motor in the f150. The 3.5 is more of an upgrade even over the 5.0

Otto Bauch but still if u wanna compare the turbo to the v8 u should take the best of the v6 not a motor with almost half the size

laith alwedyan there's no replacement for displacement except for boost. Like to change the saying around to fit my side of the argument .

laith alwedyan it's because the 2.7 is supposed to compete with the 5.0 and the 5.3 the 3.5 is competing with the 6.2 5.7 and 6.4

Jackem High over the 2.7L not the 3.5L the 3.5L is the top dog

Just bought a new 18 F150, got the 2.7 for mpg and I have no large trailer to tow. 2.7 is $1k, V8 is $1.7k, 3.5 is $2.7k !!

agreed.

And which lasts longer ! I'll bet the V-8, same work with less RPM, it's calmly going about it's job without the extra RPM of a turbocharged engine.

glehman01 I own the 2.7 so I kind of have a clue. If you look at the torque and horsepower ratings The V6's are making the power at lower RPMs than the V8. At 82 miles an hour in 10th gear even up a slight slope, my truck is still under 2,000 rpms. Which one will last longer? I have no idea. But since I bought American this time I bought an extended 120k mile warranty LOL

Yeah and they get 10mpg around town empty and 13 on the highway. These companies are trying to build powerful yet efficient vehicles.

Jeff R you obviously don't own a Tundra. I easily get 15.5 100% city 18 hwy. My display reads 17.4 right now actually. I've done trips of 19+ plenty of times. Also remember the Tundra has proper gearing for towing. 4.30's if a guy gave a crap about a bit better mileage you could swap those for gearing similar to Ford etc.

Explain the design why hasn't Toyota change the design since 2014.

Luis rodriguez because they don't have to that often. Also Toyota's business does not depend on the Tundra to survive. Without the F series Ford would not stay afloat. Ford has went off the deep end with gimmicks and fluff, and inflated their prices because of it. And Toyota still builds a more dependable truck.

A Tundra couldn't get 19 mpg if it was driving 55 down hill with a strong tail wind! Toyota doesn't change because they're not competitive and they don't care. They know idiots will buy their dried dog shit if they slap a Toyota label on it.

You sound well informed and educated on engine design and function

sheldon blankenship tell me how the 3.5 does when a turbo blows

Thats just a bad statement. Any engine will crap out when a part goes out on the engine.

If you've ever used the 3.5 EcoBoost and the 5.0 for towing you'll know that it blows the 5.0 out of the water. Especially for towing purposes. I don't even have one as I have a diesel now. But if I needed a 1/2 ton i'd take the 3.5 in a heartbeat

Trevor C LOL the turbo only kicks in when you are passing someone, or going uphill.

and those electrics will take you about 300 miles before you need to find a "plug"...BTW, that juice coming to that plug...where does that come from?? Exactly, you are indirectly burning fossil fuel or bouncing electrons around in a reactor...or, hoping the wind in blowing gale force on some propeller on a hill somewhere - oh, and those prop towers aren't cheap either - when they first arrived they were "tax shelters" for rich investors...LOL

Blue Collar How To the ecoboost engines hit peak torque at lower rpm than all modern v8s 2.7 3000rpm 3.5 2750rpm 5.0 3800rpm 5.3 4000 rpm and 5.7 hemi 4400rpm

Only if you get full boost at that rpm but the techs say you are not getting that in the real world

Blue Collar How To watch dyno pulls both stock and tuned 3.5 still produce max torque below 4000rpm

you will alway get max boost on a dyno. dynos are almost always wot. At prat trottel, you are not getting full boost.

Blue Collar How To it doesn't take long for them turbos to spool up when more power is needed and there isn't an engine out there that produces max at part throttle a na motor will only get ahead a couple feet before turbo takes over in any condition

5.7 FAKE Hemi, Mopar has been dead since the 70s, America's fastest dying truck

I hear nothing but problems coming from dodge owners. Longest lasting truck my ass

2001 Ford f-150 5.4 SuperCrew with 267,000 bought new for twenty-eight thousand replaced spark plugs and intake manifold and pulled a 5k trailer for 4 years. Reliable???? If you take care it.

Ford sucks Go Chevrolet Go ram 🐑

SILVERADO THE KING OF TRUCKS inline 6 cylinder is the best

SILVERADO THE KING OF TRUCKS I agree, I think the 5.0 is the best option, and probably the best overall n/a sub-6.0 truck engine ever made. But turbos will shine a mile above sea level, so the Ike Guantlet will favor the EcoBoost.

SILVERADO THE KING OF TRUCKS All good debates start with "I don't care what anyone else thinks." Was the Coyote a proven engine 2.5 years after its inception? That's how old the Ecoboost is in the F-150, yet I haven't seen an overwhelming number of problems posted anywhere. I have seen it run the Ike Gauntlet with flying colors, and take the Gold Hitch award.

ckeegan003 It doesn't take much to understand that yes, the 5.0L is a better option for you plan on buying a truck and keeping it long term. It doesn't deal with boost, therefore has lower power density/cylinder pressure, therefore it has to endure less stress. The 5.0, which has close to 4.6 dimensions (rod length, deck height) has proven to be a very, very low wearing architecture. The 5.0 itself, unlike the 3V Mods, has proven itself a bulletproof platform. No valvetrain problems or oiling problems, unlike the 3V. And Ford has made.consistent running revisions to the 5.0, and the 15-up 5.0s are excellent, they are 800 rwhp capable long blocks from the factory now. The 5.0 has also been a RFF engine since day one, the EcoBoost 3.5 didn't get roller followers until the Gen 2 EB came out in 2017. RFFs are a much lower friction and lower wearing setup than DAMB setups. The Ford 5.0 is the best architecure Ford makes, and arguably the best in the business. You have to realize that the EB engines deal with nearly double the cylinder pressure, and the extra parts do add failure points. When/if turbo seals fail oil consumption increases which fouls cats, etc. The 5.0 is definitely the way to go if you plan on putting 300+K on a truck. If it's a lease, or you plan on flipping the truck at 150-200K...then it won't really matter.

Pot calling the kettle black.

Yeah. That doesn't exist.

maxo kream Gotta love the god damn LS. The greatest motor ever invented. Chevy still knows what's up. Pushrods and 8 cylinders. Makes shit ton of power. What's that you got a 04 Silverado with a lifter tick and 300,000 miles. Just put a cam in it and a turbo and Bam 700 hp. All seriousness though the LS makes amazing power and pulls fine no need for fancy technology just American horsepower.