9mm vs 38 Special vs 357 Mag: Not Even Close? 

With the new critical defense ammo you dony have to have a 45, 357 to feel safe. The new 9mm, 38 and 380 CD ammo is OUTSTANDING. My Riget security 380 packed with 15 +1 95 grains hp,s is one bad mamma jamma. .

That's what I said! He should've used three Identical cubes! Not keep shooting the same cube, hell even I know that!🤠👍

Tenderizing the block! Lol

You could object about more things here... Different barrel lengths. Too few attempts to conclude anything statistically relevant. But that's not the point of course---just as you say, it's just for fun (and he's actually doing a good job at entertaining :-)).

Exactly! you dont get a clean result.

Great idea..n use water jugs.

@henriyoung3895 sand has unique characteristics about it that differ from water. water and gelatin are so similar as to be an easy stand in.

I agree. They don’t penetrate, maybe try a 50 BMG

You should try the 38 super.

The sand test generally is a waste of time.

Thanks Rob nuts, this is a great comment.

I have a 4" revolver and a 20" rifle. In a rifle, it's no 308, but it will drop med sized game like deer out to 75yd 100yd. Great brush gun. Dropped a 200lb boar on the spot at about 80yd with the 20" lever rifle with pmc soft point 158gr.

.357 has double the case capacity, greater COAL( hence the ability to utilize longer-heavier bullets)and operates at +10,000 psi over 9mm 9mm is pretty much limited to 147-150ish grain max bullets and relatively fast burning powders to maximize it's small case volume and shorter overall length. The .357's larger case capacity allows it to utilize slower burn rate powders in longer barrels for increased energy gain vs. the 9mm. You'll get increased velocity/ energy from both with increasing barrel length to a point 9mm is gonna max out in a shorter burn column with lower total energy regardless in a cartridge appropriate max loading, all other variables being equal. In short, anything much past 8-10 inches gains you little to none in 9mm .357 Carbine ballistics are more comparable to a 30/30 than any service sidearm Apologies for the long winded reply

@jmjones7897 in a handgun, 9mm is better than 357. 357 has longer burning powder normally, which means it needs the longer barrel. that's also why in a carbine, 9mm stops accelerating at 8-10". 357 continues to accelerate though

The advantage seems to be brand dependent Got a Henry lever gun in 357 mag and have some factory from Fiocchi and Federal the Fiocchi gains barely any out the rifle (from box specs) whereas the Federal gains over 20%, the sound difference was dramatic

@@theprfesssor +p makes a big difference

So your saying you own a 9 lol!😂

Especially considering the barrel length differences. 38 would be blown put of the water by 9 with similar barrel length using relatively strength ammo. Be that standard target in both calibers or +p

Ammunition advances over the past 10 years have really brought the 9mm's potency up. Little difference between it and the 40S&W with less recoil and the ability to carry handguns with higher magazine capacity.

Yes, I do have a 9mm. Can it compete with the .357 for muzzle energy…no. BUT, thanks to modern ammunition, it is just as effective at stopping a threat. It’s come a long way over the past 120 years. Now, if someone is using FMJ’s for self defence, I would use something bigger than the 9mm.

@@user-is3bp6ii4nhaha exactly

Good to know. I’ve been attacked by 6x6 blocks of wood twice this month already.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Wait, I thought it was, "Never go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line!?"

Bruce Lee said boards don't fight back :)

​​@@greencertifiedweb never go up against a Sicilian who has a 357 when you're a 6x6 block of wood

I've got a Taurus with a two inch barrel. Love putting the 38's through it but I'm like you. Old and breakable and the magnum rounds freaking hurt. Lol.

Midway should send him some Buffalo Bore. Buffalo Bore 125gr from a 2-inch snub: 1479 fps. Buffalo Bore 125gr from a 18.5-inch Marlin: 2300 fps.

​@@exothermal.sprocketDam! 😮

​@@exothermal.sprocket those are the penetrators, right? I've been thinking about getting the hardcast for brown bear protection. (I know, probably would never need it, but who knows) Then I saw that Penetrator round, and figured that would probably do rhe trick as well. Lol

@@letsdothis9063 The ones I mentioned are Hornady XTP loaded hot by Buffalo Bore. The Xtreme Penetrators are a Lehigh Defense bullet are loaded by Underwood, they primarily tumble and that's how they do their damage. For bear I'd go with a very large flat nose hard cast. In .357mag probably 180gr. Buffalo Bore, Grizzly, DoubleTap all have stout hardcast loads. Underwood runs less velocity in rimmed cartridges for some reason. Solid copper are effective no doubt, but I prefer Barnes expanding type for that, as heavy as you can get them (Buffalo Bore Barnes 140gr XPB). Maybe a bonded-type would also work in 158gr or heavier, so long as it's loaded to true magnum power, not warm commercial stuff.

Yeah, curious to see 357SIG performance vs 357MAG, 4" barrels, same ammo manufacturers.

Another fun, but maybe slightly more obscure option, is the 9x25 Dillon. A 10mm case necked down to 9 that spits out 125 grains at over 1600 fps from a 5-inch tube. Or 90 grain Lehigh screwdriver tips at 1800...

@@ksaechao97using the ruger as usual

If she ain't 380 she aint....well you know the rest

COME ON MAN ! How’s life in that commie 💩💩💩 🕳️ ? Are you allowed to have weapons ? You are on the Worse Coast.

And no. .380 is about as boring as you can get. The ballistics are poop. Finding a round to feed consistently could be interesting.

It would have to be +p to be interesting. The variability of standard loads is maddening for standard 380

​@@adquintawhat are you even talking about?

I do too. I carry a snub because of that. It has more than enough power to do the job, but moreover the sound and the literal ring of fire that comes out is enough for most people to nope out. It's kinda like hearing a shotgun rack, but not as innocent

Are you familiar with the Coonan .357 mag? You should see my Coonan shoot .357 mag.

@@cuzz63 I have a friend who just traded a ruger 5.7 for a 357 deagle in a straight trade, somehow. I imagine it's kinda like. It's not quite as easily concealed and we are going to hit the range tomorrow and I'll get to see the fireball from it. But no, I've never seen a coonan, it looks nice in a quick Google, 1911 style seems magic, it reminds me of the 44 from _magnum force_

He doesn't say what the loadings are. For all we know the .38 rounds were something weak like 130 grn, 800 fps rounds.

If he aimed better and spread out the POI that might help. It looks like he's trying to get a tight shot group with all three.

@@terry_willis I see what your saying and that makes sense in so far as what he was trying to do, but I still can't reconcile the logic of using the same piece of wood for all 3 rounds *when* each round is a different caliber. I'm C student that never fiished Jr College and yet I keep thinking that the structural integrity of the wood has to have been compromised and that has to play a role in the test in some way. But like I said I'm a C student with no qualifications

The wood should be fine (not sure, just an assumption), but the sand needs to filtered after each shot to remove old bullets. The sand test is by far the worst set up. It could be much more interesting though, if set up properly.

It's been said that the A students become the professors, the B students become the judges and the C students become rich. @@kettle_of_chris

There’s really no perfect option for the wood block. Same block = compromised structural integrity. Different blocks= different densities regardless of how much effort you go through. So it a classic catch .22

I think it would be like a 9mm I mean velocity and all that, maybe even faster than regular 9mm with the same bullet... I am not sure.

It's close with a slight advantage to the .38+P with relative advantage of .38 increasing with barrel length. The .38+P is more of an industry standard than a hard CIP/ SAAMI type engineering standard What it works out to un practical terms is this 4" barrel 38+p 158gr @ 1150fps and 21,500psi 4.7" barrel 9mm Standard pressure 147gr @ 950-1000fps and 33,000psi 9mm+p 147gr hardcast @ 1050-1100fps Velocities out of shorter barrels are comparable w/ the 9mm+p maxing out for practical purposes at the standard 4-5" barrel length .38+p will continue gain advantage in longer barrels At same 21,500 psi you're talking 158gr @12,500 in a 6" revolver with gains dropping off past about 10-12" w/ max velocities in the 16-20" barrel 9mm gains dropping off @ about 7-8" and maxing out around 10-12" of barrel length. You can get a little more out of a longer barrel in 9mm with lighter bullets and larger chargers of marginally slower burn rate powder. Really just doesn't have the case capacity to take advantage of slower powders in longer barrels vs. peak pressure In a stronger gun that same .38 can be loaded far closer to .357 levels particularly with heavier bullets

That book was debunked over 10 years ago. It's pretty pointless to discuss. There is no such thing as "stopping power." Come along now to the modern era where 90% of LEO use 9mm, 7% use .40 and the rest use .45,357 SIG.

That was 142gr

@@Alen725 Oh, must've missed it, where does it say?

@@vlogfriendsutopia Close to the end of the video there is a table with data. Its still a weak round sadly, just not that light.

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I thought it was a 5.56 that would blow the lungs out. Either way got to love JB.

You're right. I heard someone say that, therefore it must be true. LOL

Joe knows 🤣🤣

It's all about hitting what you aim at.

Proper .357 as well…that stuff was weak sauce.

But to be clear…proper 10mm is no match for .357mag properly loaded. .357 has a multiple hundreds ft per second for similar bullet grain.

@@kyleg8928 buffalo bore hard cast for both is what id use

357 wins. I believe when .357 was introduced it was 180gr at 1400fps out of a 6in barrel. It was used on lions in Africa and walrus up north. They nerfed it when police started carrying it.

10mm is as close as an auto pistol can get to 357 mag (not counting 44 automags or Wildeys or big huge gas powered guns like Desert Eagles... I'm talking normal sized carryable auto pistols) But a 357 loaded to it's full potential still beats the 10mm. 10mm is certainly no slouch though and can match regularly loaded 357

Bullets matter far more than headstamps when it comes to penetration.

Welcome to modern 357 Magnum

yeah that out of a 6" 😂 must have been using Fiocci 🤣

Yeah, modern commercial 357 ammo is way underpowered compared to it's predecessors years ago.

@@jasonshults368 No, simply no.

As effective as a solar powered dark room.

He's a cross between Ray Romano, and Sheldon Cooper, He's Sheldon Romano!

Thank-you for that information. I know a few people that need gone.

I wonder why ammunition companies hire and pay teams of engineers and ballisticians working on terminal ballistics when RU-vid Rando Experts will tell them what's best for free? Also wonder why those dummies like the Secret Service are so dumb about ammunition performance that they aren't carrying .357 Magnums like experts like this advise?

Not True. Yes 357 Is A Very Powerful Round, But There Are A Lot Of 9mm Rounds Avaible That Puts 9mm Up There Close To 357 But 9mm Has More Of Them In The Gun. These Are Reasons FBI Chose To Go Bake To 9mm. But All BS A Side You Want The Real Winner Get A 10mm. It Can Be Bought In A Size That You Can Carry Every Day But Packs Way More Punch Than 357mag

I wouldnt say significantly based on this test and many others I ve seen a 9 with modern defensive ammo handles its own just fine in most cases, facts are that any pistol is weak compared to a rifle or shotgun, the energy from a 357 is at best double that of the 9 while a 5.56 is quadruple. In the story you mention the guy just took two rounds to the chest from a 357, I m going to guess he probably didnt get off the most accurate shots on the lady, frankly amazing he hit her at all, I m also guessing he was only using ball ammo doubtful she would have survived if he had anything else. All that said she sounded like a remarkably tough old gal and I was glad to hear she made it

@@ST19859 I agree, I think the type of ammo used played a significant role here, as well as shot placement. I'm just surprised a 85 year old lady could survive that.

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Hey now! I, for one, am happy to see these very important tests being conducted. For science, of course.

There’s a place for cannonade on split pea soup action, but we need this real stuff too

No time to grind? Well after taking that fragment to the groin, I do not blame you. Another commenter mentioned Plexiglass and I concur. 1/4" on top of your mesh guard will do wonders for fragments.

Most commercial 10mm ammo is loaded very wimpy these days. Gotta load them yourself to get decent power. Even so, 357 mag is dang good.

That's it, that's all you know?

Couldn't agree with you more. All 3 will cause major damage - the 9 and the .357 will leave the corpse more marred up than the .38 corpse!

With .38 special everything depends on the load and barrel length. The FBI load out of a 4in barrel is pretty much peak .38spc

That 357 was a weak load

9mm Pistol vs. Carbine, too.

I dunno, the 9mm did pretty damn good against the 347, especially when you remember it was out of a shorter barrel. Granted, there is a lot hotter .357 on the market but that is pretty hot for 9mm

Like Mike Tyson fighting Jake Paul

That's funny. But, I don't think we watched the same video. heh

That’s if you get caught up in caliber. Shot placement is most important. Getting hit in the lung with a 357, you have a hole in your lung. Getting hit in the heart with a 9, pick out your head stone.

@@Timuroslav wrote it after the cement block….. despite kinda short barrel its obvious that 357 packs a punch

Add 30 super carry instead of .357. Then it's 1 auto cartridge vs 2 revolver cartridges like this test and keeps them close on bullet diameter.