@@dimentioo Armando was the one who taught this to Mia, then she taught this to Wright and now Wright has taught this to his 2 apprentices. Based on what we know so far, we can safely say that Diego is the one who is the origin of this rule. So yea this is still his rule.
Phoenix was rather creepy in this game. I mean, you can tell from a mile away that that melancholy smile is hiding something. Not to mention, he's got the evil eye in the last case.
It's understandable, his courier was ruined by Kristopher Gavin so for those seven years he had prepared himself to reveal the truth the final bullet to his preparation was having Kristopher Gavin arrested.
@Sharad Kumar Singh i think that's because his role in the story is over kinda like manfred von karma (yes i know he's in the investigation games but im talking mainkine series)
but he is the mastermind after bringing gavin down - uses forged evidence as himself to put kristoph into prison without hurting apollo's status - the "test" jurist system over a murder knowing that kristoph is the one who set it off without leaving any decisive OR circumstantial evidence
I never got how that was a bad thing. He didn't really use the evidence itself to prove a point, but rather to trick Kristoph into revealing that he could tell the difference between the real thing and the fake. THEN he used that evidence to build up the case. It's kind of what happens at the end of 3-3 with the poison evidence
@@QweRinatrtY also the fact he has Apollo figure everything in the 1st case only for him to take over and take Kristoph down, he just used Apollo as his way to get to go against Kristoph easier
Prosecutors: *Presents fake evidence all time time without stopping *Nothing happens Phoenix: *Presents fake evidence once, and it's not even his fault because someone else planted it there and he didn't know it was fake *Instantly loses lawyer rights
That's because most prosecutors who did use forged evidence were never truly found out and there wasn't any hard evidence to prove they forged evidence but there was for phoenix, Drew Misham.
@@Monochrome_math Spoilers for Gyakuten Kenji 2 case 3 Actually that penalty was for forcing a confession from Master, and the fact that the autopsy report in the IS-7 incident was made up wasn't known by Manfred and he was already dead when the incident was resolved
@@kamenvapor3658 Yeah, even Edgeworth unknowingly presented forged evidence in the SL-9 incident ( Rise from the Ashes ) but he is still a respected prosecutor but Phoenix lost his badge right away.
I absolutely loved Phoenix in this game. He’s like the ultimate mastermind, patiently waiting for his chance to bring Gavin down but knowing he can’t do it with the current legal system. Aside from meeting Apollo, which was luck, everything that happens at the end was carefully planned by Phoenix over the course of 7 years. And I really love the fact that, after he lost his badge, he forged evidence twice (once in the first case and once in the last, but the letter was discovered immediately). He fell from grace because of a trap that he fell into, and for seven years he tried to find a way out. Then finally, at the end, everything fell into place. So cool, and kinda eerie. He’s very morally gray in this game, and this mysterious theme fits that
Ik this is really late, but I don’t think the letter was intended to be forged evidence. It was just a transcription of the letter he saw in Kristoph’s cell, he obviously couldn’t get them the real letter so he looked at the footage and rewrote what he saw for Apollo to present in court, I don’t think it was ever meant to be deceptive like the card was (but even the card was just intended to lure Kristoph out into the open, not straight up lie about what happened)
@@RoyalDogmeati never fully understood what role the faked card could play. It is a fake and all it's really used for is to give visual indication which could be stated orally It's not as if it had faked handprints from Kristoph
@@kamiraffe3230 when apollo met ema, she already knew wright was no longer a defense attorney at that time, but she didn't know about trucy. maybe it was somewhere after 'rise from the ashes', and wright kept it, and only picked it up again and used it when he stopped being a defense attorney. or, it could be given to him in a package from ema sent to wright somewhere before or during those 7 years. wright only met apollo around the end of those 7 years, in kristoph's office, before he was incarcerated. it's not really clear 'when' he obtained it, but the fact is wright had it on when he was put on trial for murder, and that he used that camera to record his meeting with kristoph in jail.
you know, it's really ironic how the story goes in PW:AA = phoenix defeats the overconfident payne in AJ:AA = phoenix was overconfident and lost his badge to rookie klavier how history repeats itself.....
İts different situation if you speak Apollo s first trial s prosecutor Payne its history repeat but i saw it more first enemy Target than history repeat for his situation
After becoming a hobo Phoenix has achieved the epicness level of Godot. I mean seriously *Spoiler alert* he just seems so bad-ass when Apollo uppercuts him at the end of the first trial and he doesn't really give.
I like to imagine that when he’s just getting something to eat with Maya and the Gang or not doing something involving lawyering or anything professional he wears this outfit.
@@thepresidentjulius3820 It can be explained that Phoenix gets like his "old" way when he's on the spot and has to think quickly under the gun. His badass ability comes when he gets to hide in the background and manipulate things behind the scenes.
Its a beautiful piece of music, no mistake about it. It just seems to lost in the fourth case, it shows up so much whenever you talk to people like the Gramareyes or to Kristoph. I love how it impacted the scenes, making them seem more mysterious than sad, but I feel like it was overused, especially compared to other themes like it. Still, it's very good, understandable why they put it as a Recollection instead of a Reminiscence.
The phoenix is a symbol of hope, renewal, rebirth, immortality, resurrection, solitude, and grace. Just like the phoenix emerges from its ashes, so can man after devastation and loss. The phoenix gives mankind hope and urges us to fight on.
I loved this kind of Phoenix. The fact he spent 7 years on and off getting information about the case that made him lose his badge was genuinely so cool.
@@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx maybe. I'm on the second case on the first game rn, it's hard trying to find an emulator to play it with though so I may end up replaying the first case over and over sadly. I'll probably just watch a playthrough
@@propellerknightlol2308 You can always play Ace Attorney Spirit of Justice in Android and iOS but you need to pay for the whole thing. However, these paid games in the store are always faulty so your only option was to play on a 3DS emulator. However, I'm certain you cannot find the source of a 3DS emulator. Hmmmm...
"The law is the end product of many years of history...the fruit of human knowledge! Like a gem, polished to a gleam through trials...and errors. It is this fruit we receive, and pass on, and face in our time. And it is always changing, growing. Nurturing it is our task as human beings."
He hasn't changed, this is him without the pressure of court. Give Wright 3 days, you see the version of him in the original trilogy, but give him 7 years or an infinite amount of time, and he's this.
Phoenix is very much chaotic or absolutely gray in certain ways You never know what he's doing, he just keeps a smile to hide everything. He's Hobo, yes but if AJ's Phoenix was ever a villain or that version of him came back in later games, I would like them so much more. Apollo Justice's darker tone has made so many changes to old characters especially Phoenix who started from a nervous wreck with a good life and friends to a neutral and calm bluffer with Trucy by his side only. The world isn't so black and white.
Phoenix plays the "antihero" from behind the scenes. He tricked Apollo into using some forged evidence to win his first trial and convict his own mentor for murder because of the incriminating evidence. And what's more? He investigated Kristoph's elaborate scheme for murder for the straight 7 years just to take revenge upon him for making him lose his badge.
Even with all he had accomplished, after all he had sacrificed, he was cast aside without hesitation by the law he fought so hard to uphold. Something like that would make any man spiteful and filled with hatred, even a man like pheonix wright.
Maya is probably training in the Hazakura Temple for 7 years before she took plane flight to Khura'in after she's finished her training there. Her trip to Khura'in happened behind the scenes in the events of Dual Destinies.
When you visit him in the hospital in Apollo Justice and examine his room, Apollo notices that "someone" sent Wright a bunch of Steel Samurai tapes to watch while stuck in bed. Wright doesn't seem very enthusiastic about the idea of doing that, though. :P
I think it's implied that Gumshoe, Maya, Phoenix and Edgeworth still all keep in touch, so it's not out of the question. Plus, given how much Maya likes ramen, I feel like she would love Eldoon's Noodles
This theme sorta reflects Phoenix's character in Apollo Justice. A broken man who is lost, a prestigious legend that fell from grace after time passed. I'm still on the first episode of Apollo Justice, and it makes me wonder what did he do in court that resulted in him losing his attorney badge and turned homeless
I miss this badass Phoenix, he's always been kinda nonchalant about things when NOT under the pressure of the court but AJ showed how smart and "plotting" he could be. Maybe without the pressure of getting a non-guilty verdict he is much more calm and composed? Afterall solving this case wasn't his problem it was Apollo's but he already knew everything way before Apollo lol.
Well I mean, he had kinda been looking into things for seven whole years... Apollo was just given 3 days. Also I don't think that this side of phoenix ever dissappeared to begin with, he was always and will always be like this, it's just hidden away by a goofy mask, phoenix is highly regarded to be an extremely intelligent individual. I think what we see here is his purest form of intelligence, leaking out from under a tired worn down mask, he hasn't got the energy nor the mood to be masking how smart he actually is. But then again he's smart enough to bide his time carefully and to wait for the best time to let out certain pieces of evidence whilst not revealing how much he knows. Besides he's mainly confidant because he already knows mostly everything, like I said earlier, he was probably researching for 7 years straight on the side, for once, phoenix isn't scrambling for evidence, or trying to save someone, he's a man with not much left to lose, (except for trucy), and he's had his sweet time to plan and get things together, this time he has full confidence and knows what he's doing, not just yoloing it as you'll see usually when he's given a limit of 3 days to proves the innocence and guilt of suspects/clients, during his lawyering days. And there's also the secrect satisfaction of revealing the horrible nature of Kristoph for who he is, a murderer and villain. It's probably why he seems a little smug, it's revenge and justice, pure and sweet. And phoenix is probably loving every moment.
@@dnmstarsi actually AJ phoenix is very believable, everyone change in 7 years. He is still the phoenix as he has strong desire for the truth. But as his lack of experience made him only find the truth in legal ways His experience in 7 years was more confident in presenting forged evidence for the truth
Someone pointed out to me that this song sounds really close to the reminiscence song for Phoenix's class trial. Try playing them at the same time, it feels like they're complimenting each other.
In the class trial It sound sad but Not like this dark verison because Two people was with him Here He was alone He had nobody to save him that why it was lot more darker then the class trial
Phoenix's endurance is incredible! I mean... 1) He fell down a burning bridge into a freezing cold river that people normally get lost in, and he came out with just a cold. 2) He got tazed with 2000 volts and lived. 3) Got punched in the face like 3 times. 4) He got hit by a car, flew 30ft in the air and hit his head on a pole and came out with just A SPRAINED ANKLE!
That awkward moment when DS games are 1000 times better than most other games produced for the "serious competitive market" where games like CoD and LoL are popular...
If ‘Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney’ is adapted into anime, we should have a full flashback episode of the day that Phoenix got disbarred from law. After he was disbarred, he showed no emotions in public, but when he was alone in his apartment, he sobbed in despair. He also pushed his families and friends away and ignored their phone calls. Later, that night, his families and friends came to his apartment and found him sobbing in bed and barely ate. After spending the night and having sleepovers with his families and friends, despite he was still disbarred, Phoenix had regained hope. Two weeks later, he even adopted Trucy as his own daughter.
Auugh this theme is so good. The sheet amount of emotion that’s able to be heard throughout it is insane... honestly, all the recollection themes are epic...
You do realize... the entire plot of Apollo Justice was just one long revenge plot against Kristoph Gavin as orchestrated by Phoenix. In that light, this is an eerily fitting theme; I can truly hear a cynical and malicious laugh behind it.
Ive always wondered.... They never said anything about maya in apollo justice. What happened to her? Did she leave? Did she die like her sister? Where is maya during the apollo justice game?
It's crazy you know? Kristoph was the perfect criminal. He left no decisive evidence behind him he covered his tracks perfectly. It got to the point where Phoenix had to make Apollo use forged evidence to bring him down in Turnabout Trump. Then in Turnabout Successor he had to use a test for a new court system (which is never seen again by the way) to bring him down for the last time. Phoenix, using his wits brought a legally immune criminal to justice. Let that sink in. Oh yeah Apollo was the star of this show but Phoenix was the mastermind the whole time. This truly proves just how amazing Wright is as an attorney. He catches criminals even when he isn't an attorney!
More crazy when you know that Kristoph did all because of pure envy on Wright, nothing more. That's what makes him the most sinister villian in the franchise.
@@AlguienCualquieraDelMundo Kristoph Gavin is quite delusional to think that he would've thought Phoenix as always winning his cases like he is enjoying it. No, ONLY the Von Karmas enjoy the prospect of winning every case they get their hands on. Phoenix Wright, the Wright Anything Agency, Klavier, and Edgeworth are a different kind of lawyers who fight to reach the face of truth no matter what. Like as you remember what Klavier said, law isn't absolute, it's full of contradictions. Kristoph Gavin is taking advantage of the vulnerabilities of the legal system so that he can get off the hook because of the fact that there is no decisive evidence that can be used against him. Phoenix Wright, and Klavier thought otherwise.
When you think about it, it was the classroom trial all over again. Phoenix was accused of doing something he never did, something someone else did, but but everybody accused him anyway. Only this time, there was nobody to defend him...
I actually cried the first time I heard this, it's not fair like c'mon! give him a flipping break but I hope *crosses fingers* that he becomes a lawyer again. He's too powerful to not be in court.
...Finally. You just couldn't resist, could you, Herr Wright? ...Resist what? Presenting solid evidence? Might I request we put the current cross examination on hold? The prosecution would like to call a new witness. ...State your name and occupation for the record.
So uh.... about that... (Dual Destinies is seen as very controversial, and sort of messes up Phoenix's character in a few ways. What do you think of that and beyond?)
Paulie2342 Did Phoenix fake the evidence against Kristoph to get him back? I don't know the sequence of these events, I've never played Apollo Justice.
Don't you guys think, that in the last case of AJ AA, injustice prevailed? Think hard about it. * spoiler warning * Remember the Jurist system. Basically the Jurist system, in the game, is like having multiple judges to preside in a trial. The jurists are people not IN ANY WAY related to the case at hand to avoid bias. Now here's what's wrong. During the 2nd Trial day of the last case in AJ, Apollo proved a possibility for Kristoph to poison the stamp to kill the two Mishams. Kristoph then asked for decisive evidence that proves he put the poison on the stamp. Apollo presented the secret camera used by Phoenix to prove that the stamp on the yellow envelope was poisoned by Kristoph. Due to obvious reasons, the camera cannot be accepted as evidence. Kristoph should have not been declared guilty, that is if it was on the Inquisitory system. Kristoph was only declared guilty because of motives, opportunities and other ruling methods that I don't remember. Apollo convinced the Jurisits that Kristoph was the killer of Drew and Vera, but hasn't truly convinced YOU. Which is why you choose whether Vera is guilty or not. You have to decide if decisive evidence is still needed or not. Nevertheless, in the end, there were no legitimate decisive evidence/s to remove all doubt about the case. So in the end, the LAW LOSES TO KRISTOPH. Now think again. Why were the jurists, you and Phoenix the only ones to have played Phoenix's game (MASON System Investigation)? Apollo was only given evidence from the trial of Shadi Enigmar, not the details of the game because Apollo would know that most of the evidences that he will see in that game, will not be legitimate. You know the truth, yet there are no direct evidences leading to this truth; so you have to make sure you get the most just end, "by all means possible." Looks familiar? Phoenix used the "end justifies the means" method with no forging of evidence, yet in the end, he ended up forging a truth that caught the true criminal. Think. What would've happened if you didn't play his game? You would still have those doubts; you would still doubt that Kristoph was the true culprit. Truly, dark times have come for the court of law. How ironic, since the man who said that brought forth "The Dark Age of the Law".
Kristoph was arrested again on the Jurist system right? So he lost his comfy cell, and who's to say the letter is still there? That'd be enough to prove it beyond a shadow of doubt
It's all in the recordings, its that easy. By the reaction of Kristoph, you can tell what the developers intention was: to show you his preocupation regarding the secret camera, because he knew it showed the truth. At that point, its completely irrelevant if the camera itself can or can not be acepted as proof, thats just formalities. You know the truth about what the camera contains and so you do the only possible correlation, to punish that man for what he did. Again, if the proof of what he did can or can not be submitted is irrelevant, because it still proves it in reality itself.
TheTrickmeister Regardless of if the letter existed or not, Kristoph's "innocence" would not be tried again in court due to double jeopardy. I'm sure after the ruling in court, Kristoph was declared guilty and there wasn't much progress to make regarding arguments because they would just be rehashing the points Apollo and Klavier made. The country's high prosecution rate will only dig Kristoph's grave further since if he was the client, he would be "guilty until proven innocent", or in this game's logic: "guilty until another person is proven guilty without the shadow of a doubt".
FlaskFlash Anyone can react strongly to "incriminating evidence". Let's suspend disbelief here and say that Kristoph is the sample population of the "Anyone" I described. You can show Vera her bottle of atroquinine cuticle and say that she killed her father. She will most definitely react strongly to that as it is very incriminating, maybe just as incriminating as the secret camera. Presenting the camera will illicit a reaction from the person being incriminated because it was the decisive evidence to help Apollo's case. What if the camera was forged? Phoenix has definitely forged evidence to put Kristoph in that same solitary confinement with the bloody ace card. The point was that injustice prevailed…well, at least in the relevant provisions of the justice system back in AJ's era. But like in real life, there's a reason why people don't like using lie detecting machines in courts as evidence. Blackquill emulated this in future games by stopping Apollo from using his bracelet during the trials up until the final one. It's fine though if you think that that camera was the truth. That was your decision to trust that evidence for Vera's trial, thus giving her the not guilty verdict. Just remember that there was a choice to make in the end, and it isn't really cut and dry as we all think.
That creepy smile still make think Phoenix is hiding something ever when i finish apollo justice and on to Dual destinies I still can't wipe away he hiding something
AJ:AA made me feel so bad for Phoenix and also made me have a massive hatred for the Ace Attorney Law System. Imagine being a great defense attorney that always was good on your job, had a almost perfect record of not guilty verdicts and amazing perfomances on the courtroom. Even so, all of the people that you had and have on your life, even your own friends disrespects you, and treat you like trash just to take advantage of you. I wonder why even all of the shit life threw at Phoenix, he still didn't go insane or had a massive breakdown, even when he lost everything he had because of an unfair system.
I actually loved at how Phoenix became a mastermind type after the one fateful trial. I can't be sure it'll stay though, since this was all one trial he spent seven years planning on to sort out what happened. You never know, he may end up clueless in the next game.
@@randomduck8679 I said ALMOST. And even then, Trucy (and arguably Thalassa) have their dickish moments. Sure, Trucy isn't just like her dad but her mannerisms can be a bit too much even for someone who supports her new family and has some inner pains herself.
What has Magnifi done? Probably I'm not remembering but Zak was an asshole for not presenting that damn page. Valant pinned a crime on Zak for stupid reasons Thalassa left Apollo and Trucy But what about Magnifi?
Even though this song is associated with Phoenix, I first thought it was one of Kristoph's when I first heard it. For me, the song is just so dark and tragic... What Phoenix says when confronted with Kristoph's five black Psyche-Locks (when asked why he killed Zak/Shadi Smith) sums up the song for me: "Dark... Cold... Full of despair..." Kristoph's motive was more complex than hurt pride. His façade hid profound sorrow and anguish. Kristoph's motive, like his heart, was shrouded in darkness.
Manfred von Karma uses forged evidence WILLINGLY, and only gets a penalty Phoenic Wright uses forged evidence NOT KNOWING that it was forged, loses his attorney's badge
People seem very quick to judge on appearance it seems. Have you all forgotten how brilliant he actually is now? The guy comes back with sage like wisdom, you might not always like what he says... But damn, he's come far since the bumbling but sweet lawyer we knew. His appearance doesn't matter after all, it's his actions... Also he's got a good sense of style, no denying that.
I've been so blind this whole time... I never realised that his hat said 'PaPa'. And if it was ever stated in the game, I completely ignored it. Oh me...
I really enjoyed Apollo Justice and Phoenix's character in it. Now with the AJ trilogy coming next year, my only wish is that they make another case for AJ :( 4 is not enough
You should check out turnabout jackpot,it's a fan made 5th case for Apollo justice you can find it in lordIban's channel ( sadly it's just a voice acted video,there is no playable versian but i assure you it's amazing)
... The title combined with Phoenix and the fact that all the new games are spin offs with Edgeworth as the protagonist give this a pretty deep meaning. xD Rest in peace, Phoenix.
Just listening to this song and looking at Phoenix standing that way, it just scares the crap out of me. It's like Phoenix is hiding a really, really big and dark secret........
He does. In Ace Attorney 5, he becomes the main character again. It's also hinted at the end of Apollo, when Phoenix decides to retake the bar examine.
What if Phoenix had become the overarching villain of the games to exact revenge on the justice system for disbarring him for evidence he didn’t even know was forged?
Phoenix is fucking terrifying in this game honestly. You know from the millisecond he gets on the stand that something is very wrong. The fact this song feels like something out of a haunted house only adds to that.
Funny, I always felt like that part had something to do with the Gramaryes, because it sounds like it shows the dark side of magician's life and how one ended up ruining Phoenix's life.
Phoenix's Thoughts after his final trial: 'I can't believe this happened. i have been taken away from what i enjoy. I can't show my face to any of my companions, especially Maya. And to think, i was going to propose to her after the trial was finished, but i am now a disgraced attorney." I was shocked when i finished phoenix's last case in AJ. Hopefully in GS5, Phoenix gets his badge back and Maya comes back to assist Phoenix once again.
