Alex Jones Lover Wants to Convert Us All to Libertarianism 

I would settle for just the upper management of the corporations in prison

@@rambi1072 How about a corporation swinging from the gallows?

@@rambi1072 how “upper” is upper management? Are assistant managers “upper management”? Assistant restaurant managers make around $20 per hour. Are they also the enemy of the people?

​@@firstlast9916 No I don't think assistant restaurant managers are enemies of the people just for being an assistant restaurant manager, you dolt. I am saying that if a corporation has acted against the interests of the public (say, by polluting the environment) and a crime has been broken, then upper management should be taken to court and prosecuted for making the decision to break that law. The reason I think this is fines can sometimes be written off as "the cost of business" where as if management knew they personally have to face justice they might reconsider breaking the law. One example of where I think this should have been done is with HSBC's laundering of money for the Mexican cartel. So HSBC's upper management probably are "enemies of the people," but an assistant restaurant manager almost certainly is not unless they have specifically been involved in something similar. (I believe some of the individuals responsible did face sentencing as a result of the HSBC money laundering scandal, but these sentences always end up being extremely lenient.)

@@firstlast9916 I agree that pretty much all drugs should be legal actually, and the cartels aren't bad because they sell drugs they're bad because they murder thousands of people every year. And yes these things are ultimately consequences of governments' policies on drugs but that still doesn't mean laundering the money of mass murderers is okay

While not acknowledging that those corporations will, in effect if not in actual name, form a government. Government is nothing but a monopoly on use of force which allows that group to set “the rules”. I do not get why these people avoid that clear reality. Do they really just think everyone is nice? The second someone with a narcissism complex feels they have the ability to take over an adjacent area they will, and there are ALLOT of people who feel they are better suited to make decisions for everyone then anyone else. Tons of ‘em. In that sense, government is actually a standing protection from war lords and little trumps. We just have to make it work for all of us, not just the few with resources. I say “just” but clearly that’s a VERY tall, tough order

*"I'm ok with the choice for people to associate with multi-national corporations and the choice not to associate with multinational corporations." Libertarians

@@jojocosmodelic431 start a tech business in the the third world, it's the dystopian reality of libertarianism.

@Marco if you think sweatshop or starve is the only option in a libertarian society, you probably would be better off in a communist society... being the weakest link n all. I've worked in sweatshops for a brief bit to make some easy money while looking for a better job, but most of those jobs will be replaced by ai in the 4th industrial revolution anyways. Cronyism is the real enemy, not capitalism.

@Marco what has history proved and how?

Ryan Cole - Also criminals are actually just victims of government kidnapping when they go to jail. They never agreed that by committing a crime they could go to jail- government just enforces this with force.. So as much as taxation is theft, spare a thought for those poor victims of kidnapping- even if they not nice people.

Neal Brooker yeesh

De-regulation at it's finest. "Survival of the fittest" as many of them like to point out.

@@pw5975 exactly! I saw someone say poor people who vote against themselves see themselves as "embarrassed millionaires" instead of poor people. They keep thinking these tax cuts to the rich will somehow be theirs one day.

war lords are a 3rd party..LOL

AnxiousObserver I hope you brought enough for everyone

Me too - better than comedy!

got some for me mate?

You got the popcorn I got the M&Ms

AnxiousObserver a libertarian caller: grabs my drink 🍹

2 years later it is still the case. We finally have Bernie Ads. But the left dont have the money. And I am pretty sure because its political news we get political news ads, which unfortunately is Daily Wire and PRAGERU.🤢🤮😵

Yep, I've been bombed with epoch times ads lately.

Yes, I’ve noticed

I’ve noticed that too! And pro trump ads 🤢

"Take Trump's Socialism poll" Nah I'm good on that, thanks.

Libertarians seem to be the people that want to climb the socioeconomic ladder no matter the people they screw over be it individuals or the public at large and are mad that they have the pesky evil government holding them back.. purely sinister and selfish greed

Maybe the ones he takes on his show. But most of us just don't want our rights being taken UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES FOR ANY "REASON" because it's what has given us all of our wealth power and free way of life that we enjoy in America. Anyone who thinks it's ok to breach any ones civil rights like free speech or owning a firearm for any reason has either knowingly or unknowingly been influenced by propaganda

@@ponaliramos9773what a complete misdirect lol. You already have those things. The point is you have to give back if you expect them or anything else this society offers. Nice try though

Free market capitalist contribute more to society than socialists

@@ponaliramos9773 Where do you think civil rights come from?

Dnt Wry Hahahaha!!

It IS a faith-based group.

Jonathan rubin Of course you're right and it is so funny to think about how that may work out. Well actually kind of scary. I laugh at horror films so I guess that's okay.

*****

Couple that with zero gun regulations and the coffin makers will be in the top of the economic pyramid.

And I bet these "moral codes" would never be prone to change due to situational personal convenience.... lol

Libertarians are socialists who have been brainwashed by "conservative Christian" Republicans. Since there's no way to combine the 2 they struggle to score any debate points. Especially when they bring up free market garbage. It's humorous to hear them keep saying survival of thr richest while arguing that free market will help everyone. In reality they get government even if it disappears. The richest guy will buy an army. Survival of the richest

+Benjamin S you are volunteering to pay them by living in this country. You are making a choice to do that. If you don't agree with the taxes and policies of our government then you have the option to leave. But until then you are choosing to abide by the rules of law that we as a society have established in order to promote the general welfare of the whole over the individual. We've established a payment system that everyone participates in and benefits from. That's the way the world works, buddy.

+Benjamin S If you don't like paying taxes you can move to Russia, Mexico or Somalia, Bon Voyage.

It is theft if it is used to make one person work without pay so another person can get paid without working. If it is used for the protection of rights of all people that is a little different and even then it should be voluntary once that transition is possible. That is how Capitalism works, the government banishes aggression from society. These concerns about people starving or dying or whatever are not realistic because under Capitalism there are very few people who will find themselves in that situation and there will be much more wealth for charity. It is only under communism and socialism like Sam advocates where charity would not be able to meet these needs, but that is his system, not Capitalism.

Just like getting mugged and robbed is rendering payment for the service of being mugged.

You compare government services to a mugging? How is a public library like a mugging? A public park? A clean road? Clean water?

Some comments age poorly. Yours aged like fine wine. It is still very relevant 3 years after the fact.

Tom Manfrede I crave these kinds of Libertarian commenters on Facebook. They're fuckin hilarious!

+Tom Manfrede It is good to like what you do.

+Tom Manfrede Is your real name NEWMAN?

some prefer sex, some coffee....lol

So do I

Then they continue to spout the same shit as the previous libertarian when pressed on issues. I've been going down this rabbit hole for a few days watching all these libertarian videos and they're almost formulaic at this point. xD

@@ShiningSneasel ancaps have created a lot of confusion but at some point in history the first political group to have the name libertarian attached to them was in favor of abolishing the gov't or against it that group is the original libertarian group once you research it the first political group called libertarians wanted to keep the gov't

​@@ShiningSneasel well said

Less regulation means more competition and less large corporations, though. When there is a bunch of small businesses instead of large corporations - the market for labour is more competitive, meaning higher wages.

mrbadguysan Yes. I am an entrepreneur myself, and I can attest to the fact that government regulation is the single largest barrier to entry for small businesses.

mrbadguysan The tendency is for special interest groups to lobby for government regulations that keep competitors out of the market, though.

Don't call me governed. I'm a free man. My problem is not which lobbyists access the gun in the room (political power), my problem is the actual gun in the room. Good ideas do not need to be forced on people.

mrbadguysan I'd say most of our safety comes from technology that non-government companies have developed. Sure there are things that are unsafe, but I wholeheartedly believe that government officials have no business with whether I wear a seat belt or not.

Edward Black Well said. The GOP has hooked a lot of people in with God and guns, when in truth many of those people would support liberal policies if they could look at things clearly.

Edward Black As long as it's not mandatory i support universal health care. if i can afford an insurance plan with all the bells and whistles i should not have to pay Obama one penny of tax for his ObamaNotCare. Yes we should give soldiers all the same free health care Obama/Bush/Clinton/Ford/Your Senator gets for life if injured while serving our country.

LelBron The inability of people to look at things clearly is why I take issue with religion sometimes. I know that there's a very different movement happening in parts of Europe right now but I wonder if they would have been able to develop such socially liberal policies without the secularization that took place across that continent in the 18th and 19th centuries?

Edward Black You must be a Bernie Sanders Fan? It would seem natural as he is so on target and you seem to have the same targets too. I have to tell you that I agree about how caring we have become. I get so pissed off each time I see these commercials on TV for Wounded Warrior and other veteran charities. WE owe the veterans everything and we have let our government get away with being irresponsible. If you're disabled and you are that way because you are an American soldier, we should take care of you without question. To let our soldiers become charity cases is a shame, a national shame. Nothing against the people helping our veterans at all, it's just they shouldn't have to because WE the PEOPLE are responsible. It's truly a crying shame.

" As long as it's not mandatory i support universal health care" That's nonsensical. Universal Health Care by definition requires mandatory participation.

Who’s micheal

@@poltronafrau Some skid mark producer

@@hen5555he’s dead I’m pretty sure

@@poltronafrau Michael Brooks, he was producer and co-host of the show until he passed away in his sleep a few years back. He's the one talking in the background.

I'm a die-hard ocialist. The more I watch Sam, the more he moves me away from socialism.....

Jason Gregory Hahaha

***** What if you don't want to, but your only other "choice" is starvation...is that "freedom" too? Do you even understand the point that Sam was trying to get you to understand about how the contextual history of a person's life influences the choices available to us? It's such a simple point, but you guys try to minimize it for some reason...because potato--it's an inconvenient confrontation with the reality that if you have more money, you have more choices. There is a direct relationship between a person's economic power and their lived experience of freedom. When you guys minimize this simple point, when you guys equate the lived experiences and freedoms of a kid who grew up in Appalachian poverty with a kid who grew up with a silver spoon, you show that you have an impoverished understanding of "freedom."

***** You don't define it as "not truly a choice?" Can you please rephrase this double negative gibberish? It's not clear if you think the choice between starvation and wage slavery is "freedom" or not.

***** "Why not?" Because nobody here is proposing that, you jack ass. It's called a red herring, logical fallacies are a right wing "libertarian" thing.

***** Yes, it's a red herring. We aren't talking about a globally enforced distribution system, or at least I'm not--I believe in crushing capitalism and handing the means of production over to workers, the ones who actually produce. Although as far as the topic of this conversation is concerned, it's about the welfare state and a security net on a national scale.

Great arguments. I never bought into this. Because I can't travel down a path with no roads.

she sold hundreds of thousands of copies of her books world wide until her death the idea that she needed social security with those profits coming in is not believable

​@@robinsss Upon the release of the book containing Pryor's testimony, critics of Ayn Rand's uncompromising libertarian ethos wasted no time pointing out the apparent inconsistency and hypocrisy of her acceptance of government payments. In an op-ed titled "Ayn Rand Railed Against Government Benefits, But Grabbed Social Security and Medicare When She Needed Them," AlterNet's Joshua Holland

Par perhaps

jakegibson No such thing.

jakegibson This guy is above average for libertarians. That's what makes this so sad.

Christopher McGowan He's just calmer than most. He doesn't argue any better.

jakegibson Fuck you.

every libertarian thinks this is the case though. I find a common mindset from right leaning people is that they have done everything themselves and they deserve all the credit and everyone else should strive to be as hardworking and persevering as them. I find it hard to combat this mindset without questioning their actual independent value, but I don't want to devolve to insults.

Yes and it all comes from the dangerous Adam Smith philosophy of the invisible hand and the self interest not social interest mentality. Adam Smith barely knew society living in an agrarian world, where people sure where more self reliant but that isn't to say much as the living standard and the life expectancy where much lower than us today, even on these conditions... Many people think they stop being part of society or depending on it if they get a job where they can pay their own bills... How small minded these people can be...?

Yes, they always have that smug air of superiority that gets smacked off their faces.

Europe is mostly social democracy not socialist

@@robinsss my point’s still valid lol

We could call Europe "progressive" but conservatives say that is socialist, even though it isn't.

How do you know this?

necro but need to know

I don't know where you live or what you're doing wrong, but that's crazy.

@@hermeskun3274 Phoenix, AZ. Some of the fastest rising rent/housing cost in the country.

@@agarthastudio6005 you know, I thought about what I said, and I was a bit harsh. I am sorry for that. While there are plenty of places that one person with a full time $15/hr job could easily substain themselves in a one bedroom apartment, there are varying factors. I actully lived in Flagstaff for a brief while, lovely place, hot as hell though. What's the utility cost down there? I can't imagine the average is less than $250/month. Which even if you were lucky enogh to find a $900/month would elevate it to $1150.

@@hermeskun3274 It's pretty insane. I started out paying $565/month for a one bedroom a few years ago. I'm now in a studio, paying about $1000/month. I'm managing; but it's hard to get ahead when literally with every raise, the rent rises drastically as well. I don't understand how these people think running a country/economy like this is in any way sustainable...

@@hermeskun3274 any major city

DrSpooglemon what? do you mean that isn't satire?

Not such a joke anymore as his lunacy is one of the direct causes of Qanon

And roads. Forget roads.

Yeah

he could not because slavery is involuntary

@@robinsss if someone signs a contract agreeing to be a slave without being coerced, then on some level it is voluntary.

@@paulsmith5116 i just looked up slave in several dictionaries and all of them involve an involuntary restriction of freedom so slavery can not be voluntary i you agree to the situation and continue to agree to it you are not a slave

Right? I take a road to work. The government has made infrastructure such as lighting, water piping, sewers, parks, etc. But they're like "Well wars are bad so all government is bad. Defund them entirely."

give me an example of what you mean?

​@@robinsss Start a company in Guatemala, start the same company in the US. Which one is prosperous and which one isn't? K. Good talk.

telling the gov't '''' i don't want to pay taxes because i never promised to taxes''' is not childish you are not more mature than libertarians you just don't mind letting the government violate your rights

It's funny because many libertarians think they're nuanced in their beliefs. It's so formulaic. They don't think any of the other libertarians are true libertarians but then when thrown into the crucible, resort back to the same talking philosophical talking points that the libertarian movement has. It's very rare for them to actually make a good point that is hard to refute.

That is exactly what I hear,but I also have an European socialist views,😂

Rehashed anarchists

@@nosuchthing8 Yeah looking at the things Rand Paul says, I can see your point.

Tamer Sadek Sam is a fairly typical American Progressive. There isn't monolothic agreement among Progressives on everything, but on enough things that the category has defined dimensions and Sam usually falls into it.

ray gman they could, but won't. or just build a road leading to their store.

Great Helm so beware of the feminists?

kathy kelly There are many types of feminists. I wouldn't lump 'em all together, darling.

I always thought the Andrea Dworkin school of feminist thought was a tad too extreme.

***** And, corporate execs that destroy the economy, the environment and harm people are absolved by the corporate charter. But, I guess that's ok, because it's not the evil government. It's funny how you'll protect one for doing the same thing you accuse the other of doing.

***** Fair enough. I think, however, that your defense of corporations as deserving the same rights as people fell short of that. Of course, you don't appear to believe that those execs should spend any time in jail. I guess if I rob a bank, I should go to jail, but tank the economy or destroy the Gulf of Mexico and the execs just walk away with a golden parachute. The saying goes, "I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one". Also, in your conversation with Sam, you mentioned that it was about morals. Sam asked whose morals and eventually you said something about everyone has the same morals. My morality tells me I don't want people starving, dying in the streets. I also don't want wars, money given to Israel, subsidies given to oil companies, etc. You don't want the government providing health care to its people, I don't want 40% of my tax dollars going to fund the military. Seems like we both have to live with our tax dollars going to things we don't want it used for.

What a fucking nightmare!!!

***** Yes it is and even George Washington and Obama and Seder have acknowledged that. You have to pay the gov't your taxes in Federal Reserve notes, even if you just trade in gold, you'd have to convert some of that to Federal Reserve Notes to pay taxes.

kathy kelly So don't pay taxes! You sign contracts agreeing to do so, the government is just enforcing contracts. No one is forcing you to do so.

modelmajorpita what contracts did I sign agreeing to it? Contracts that were forced to include taxes maybe? Did you not hear Sam admitted that you are being forced.

kathy kelly I agree that taxation on anything other than money is force.

kathy kelly Sam is wrong - contracts are enforced. Income tax and related tax are covered by the W4 form. There are similar forms you sign agreeing to pay property taxes and corporate taxes. Stores sign contracts agreeing to pay sales taxes and then increase the price of their goods to push those costs onto the consumer. If it's ok to have a massive imbalance in power when workers sign contracts agreeing to low wages, why isn't ok when they sign contracts agreeing to pay taxes?

kathy kelly Facts mean nothing to you. Countries with nationalized healthcare systems have much better results @2014

asherah helmsley no

kathy kelly Bet healthcare systems in the world www.businessinsider.com/best-healthcare-systems-in-the-world-2012-6?op=1 all national

asherah helmsley Common wealths research is laughable. thefederalist.com/2013/11/25/the-commonwealth-funds-deceptive-research/

***** Canada has longer wait times and worse medical results.

Their ideas work in hypotheticals where land is infinite. They fail completely to reconcile the inherent conflicts of interests of an increasing population on a finite planet. So they just say the conflict is caused by disagreeing with them. Absolute self-centered nonsense.

The problem with the libertarian mindset is that they are "solutions" in search of a problem. The problem with these solutions are the things that are currently are in place, either work well, or work perfectly as intended. The problem is that when they want to replace these systems their replacement is at best the same thing with less securities, or at worst, a convoluted mess. It's sad because I think they have the right idea of less government spending in certain sectors...but then get too attached to that idea and just apply it to everything.

The only thing separating it from it being a religion is there is no deity....oh wait they think corporations are deities....

Not disagreeing with this notion. But if someone's ethics/morals are on the side of corporations then the opposite is true. Hence why it was pointless to argue this with the libertarian. Because they think freer markets leads to good and inching closer to it is a beneficial (to someone at least). It was touched up on the video where who dictates morals? Morals are subjective and the majority of the people dictate morals. It's why the south had slavery, it's why we're moving towards more progressive ideology. Morals are always changing. You can debate morals all day but ultimately the person has to make up the decision in their mind on whether or not their morals are inherently "wrong"

there is something inherently wrong with a system that makes it legal for the government to force you to pay money that you never promised to pay

@@robinsss yet you reap the benefits of a sovereign state. That's part of the contract. You pay taxes, you get the benefits of it. Let me know how a taxless libertarian state will end up for you.

the government is not supposed to donate money to congressional candidates or endorse them?

Another note; the reforms to the fire brigade, tax collection and the grain doul is to the best of my knowledge one of the main reasons the fall of Rome was postponed