Libertarian Argues Against Obamacare, Says You Should Diagnose Your Own Illnesses 

I'm in the same boat with my birth control. They keep switching my regular pill with a cheaper version. The cheaper pill causes so many side effects, but on my old pill there were ZERO side effects. I'm constantly having to bargain everytime my prescription needs renewing.

I am sorry you have to deal with this level of pure evil, the only people who should be deciding on how long treatment should be , how often and what method/meds is you the patient and your therapist period. The therapist says to come in 10 times a month in order to keep in good mental, physical or emotional health than that is what needs to happen not the unqualified insurance company, based on the greed. This a ridiculous and your doctor having to bargain and convince them to keep the best health plan for you is beyond unreal

you're right, a for profit healthcare system is criminal

Yep. I'm not allowed to see my therapist & psychiatrist on the same day or insurance won't pay for it. They also control the amount of pills you can refill.

The idea that capitalism doesn’t have rationing is insane. The whole point is that rationing is built into the system via price. If you have a million loaves of bread for 1.2 million people, standard rationing means you only get a loaf of bread 10 out of every 12 weeks. But in capitalism it just means the price goes up enough that 200,000 people can no longer afford a loaf of bread, maybe more and some richer people buy two. The amount of demand after equilibrium quantity are the people who get rationed out. People with money don’t notice anything, and the poor are disenfranchised enough that no one cares.

Funny enough the guy described something we already have in the USA: an HSA. It’s tax free up to $3600 a year and you can spend it on healthcare. I’m more willing to swipe the card on my HSA than my own account because it’s a sunk cost. So from a psychological angle it does help people pay for healthcare. And Sam was right: making it mandatory 6-8% of income would just be like social security. You get money back from SS based on what you paid in, only the limitation is by age not type of expense The whole point of insurance is that some people have more expensive healthcare than others, and individual savings accounts are not enough to pay for a huge cost. 10 years of never using an HSA is $36k, but if I get in an accident and need a ton of surgeries that cost could enter the hundred thousands. So insurance means the healthy pay for the sick. Most people net lose money to insurance, but it’s ok because they are still covered for everything else and if they do happen to have a very expensive problem, they are still ok

Sorry about your diagnosis. I hope that you are doing ok; I wish you well. The idea that if one is just careful one won’t get sick is a harmful fiction that places blame on the unlucky.

Lmao

In fact, I remember something about people in universal healthcare countries making better health decisions because everyone is burdened by them, not just the employer they don’t like. Though it may just be more so a public policy (I.e. agricultural policy), since politicians can use healthcare costs to better regulate food. I know that sounds like literally 1984 20 quadrillion dead vuvuzela to a libertarian, but considering how batshit insane the USA’s food corporations are I figure putting them under stricter scrutiny is a good thing. It’s the least intrusive way to get people to eat healthier.

You forgot the ending part Caller after proving he's insane: see? I'm not crazy! Sam: that's what crazy people say...

@@terryfuldsgaming7995 what about the middle? the meat. oh ya, it's always pointless arguments that go no where because neither side is willing to concede an inch.

@@jdirty3460 What is the middle ground between "government should exist and serves an important purpose" and "government should do the absolute minimum"? Where should each one concede?

jayburdification : Insurance for Food...?!

Some of you guys replying are kinda dumb not gonna lie, when that one commenter said “the middle” they meant the middle of the discussion, aka the actual discussion. Centrists are extremely stupid and naive but come on you guys read

A million thumbs up

I agree completely.

Theres a little thing called competition in the supply side which lowers costs, say one commodity is really expensive and on high demand a lot of business will open up to sell that product in order to capitalise as competition increases, prices go down. But since your govt is too involved in health, this has increases market price equilibrium and its going to get worse

@@JS-mc3ik What way is the government overly involved? The FDA is vital to ensuring Americans’ safety.

@@salmonvariety5896 i’m not from america we don’t have FDA, i’m talking about policies that try to artificially lower prices like subsidies but just increases prices over time like obamacare

WebMD costs money to see the actual useful stuff....

To Liberal- terroristians, alleged perfect and perfectly healthy humans who don't need no stinkin' health care, or regulations that may save your life From: A nurse of 45 yrs. now on Medicare/ Medicaid Please submit a list of your voter base , and their health history. Then We the People Committee can review whether these medications are Really?,Truly? NECESSARY. And then , We the People will also tell them, based on their alleged illnesses ( cancer, heart disease, diabetes- the ones with the most 'fakers') , what the most effective folk remedy is. And before you even see a doctor, and despite your health declining, must use said remedy for 6 mos. Period. By that time, you need an undertaker. ( yeah Death is sooo much cheaper then Life/ Health ). While I respect the fact you have given Thought about this topic, where 2.0 Libertarians fail in their thinking, is they think only of HOW THEY take care of THEIR health; not understand how others who don't or do it as well as you (.or you wouldn't be sick or God/ punnishment etc. ), impact you, me and all the People. Picture Health like those dominoes the kids stand up into patterns; push the first one. Now THIS does involve science, ... The first pushes the second etc.( like 10 y.o boys in a school lunchline. the girl ahead always gets pushed ). While you may be healthy, you, the middle domino, is not only surrounded by smokers, alkies, heart/ kidney/ lung illness, AND / BUT the First domino is a 65 y.o with end stage assholism, COPD, diabetes 1, and cardiac issues, stds. THEN (as Sheldon etal might propose, you, and your healthiness will be impacted due to the sheer numbers of sick dominoes. ( like picking up a cold because the bus riders are sick ...) As a lifelong JFK Democrat/ F Boomer/70, and since the whole Bernie- Hillary dance in 2016 , and a former VISTA VOLUNTEER who worked with the low income in 1971, you fail to consider a basic human factor- We are Humans, frail, dumbasses who will get sick, yes, cause our own broken bones etc. And whether We the People, We- you & I, or the 'Royal' We, ARE IN THIS TOGETHER! Bottom line - there has to be minimum govt. regulation because We the People are vulnerable, stupid but not perfect. ( I tried reattaching my finger but.... ) Ignoring the impact of health on the majority, is foolish. The word Contagious comes to mind. And , immigrants here legally or otherwise, bring cultural diseases, practices that Immigration considers unhealthy. But hey if you think those plantains don't need inspection, here the 911 number for 911.

Internet would not exist

Lol perfect summary

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+Steven Rosenblatt exactly, Market cultists who worship wealth and will do anything and say anything to keep the billionaires happy.

Steven Rosenblatt may I ask u a question? If you want a dr appointment, how long do u have to wait ?

MrMasterDebate Canadian here, last time I went to the doctor (with an appointment), I waited 10 minutes.

Rehman Chaudhry I more meant how far in advance do you wait for the appointment

Even in the US you cant get same day walk ins...if you do its rare...most of the time you have to make in advance appointments

Kevin Baggett you can’t explain logic to people who consistently vote against their own interests.

It's also the most honest!

Yeah, its preposterous. The idea that if I get shot (and I work in a job that is a real possibility), go into the ER bleeding, oh, let me hop on my phone real quick and make sure the surgeon I'm getting charges a good rate, hey set it up like Priceline, I name my price for my surgeon!.. Ludicrous.

Sam, America is,sick - obese, slovenly, don't exercise - if insurance would embrace nutritional counseking,,increasing foosmd stamps, doctors should hold, say, smokers to goals or dismiss them. It's become obscene that docs do not pressure medicare/ Medicaid to invest in health.

Thank God we still have the NHS in Britain! *cries in Brexit*

+Ekkie101 It is brain washing for the ignorant. They tell you these stories of pure fraud. The examples are Steve Jobs. If you read the stories about these sort of folks they always came into the world naked. They had nothing and rose up to be super wealthy. They forget to tell you they were born out of a rich vag.

***** They had no system before at all. It was just they die or suffer and die.

***** You are a Looney, you said it pal. I ain't going to argue there. To pretend that everything is done better by private sector of the economy is looney. Why is it okay to have big government when it is for the military but not for health care? I suppose you will argue that we can do away with policing and the military and just have security guards right? Private charities are better then nothing sometimes but for the most part are just tax dodges. If we had a strong social security , we would not need them.

***** Well the US pays more for health care then any other industrialized nation with universal health care. Right now we have death panels that are on insurance companies that ration healthcare and make a profit when they deny healthcare. The private health care system is more expensive and produces bad outcomes.

+Matt Gallant That's not what the Affordable Care Act has done for me. It saves me about $400 a month on my premium. But I live in a state with an intelligent, courageous governor. Unlike the red-state governors who put their ideology ahead of the well being of their constituents.

The libertarian dream.

same reason why the US doesn't do the same thing. Political leaders tend to like the idea that they are the one's in charge of their countries destiny which can't really happen when your country is basically occupied by the US

C Gooding ...Japan isnt allowed to have a military. Its in their constitution. I mean, its about time that it changed, but I am telling the truth. Many Japanese actually join our military.

the have a very sizeble defense force airforce aircraft carrier, But they can not expand their navy same as germany

C Gooding I agree with some of what you say but the thing about japan is kind of wrong. Japan can only have self defense force, they can’t have any military cause after WW2 they by law can’t have any military cause the USA don’t want a repeated of what happen. Trust me japan would love to have their own military. Japan’s been trying to get their own military for awhile now but China will not let that happen as well.

@@thomassky4385 Pretty sure it's the other way around. The US was pushing Japan to amend their Constitution to allow for a military so the US could pull out of their defense obligations to Japan. Japan doesn't want to do that because militaries are expensive and it would require drastic rebalancing of the budget to expand the JSDF.

Medical marijuana in a nutshell.

NAH ! JUST ANOTHER WHITE DUDE WHO IS GENERALLY OK ! AND THINK THE REST OF THE COUNTRY IS ON HIS TEET ! I THOUGHT HE WAS GONNA CRY !!!

They built a whole ideology around not wanting to pay taxes. I feel it's similar to if kids decided what was and was not to be eaten for dinner. Feels nice, but isn't sustainable.

@@EastofVictoriaPark What also isn't sustainable is the ideal libertarian template for any man or woman. Under libertarianism, you must be a... Doctor (diagnose yourself). Civil engineer (fix/repair those roads yourself). Soldier (fend off those roving gangs yourself). Attorney (sue that unscrupulous company yourself). Economist/soothsayer (divine how the "free market" is behaving yourself).

I would love to see a "Libertarians Revisited" series of videos.

Nope, he'd probably be an Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine conspiracy theorist

I'd imagine the pain went down considerably once the call was ended

Usually government testing mostly done during wars as private interests are only concerned with profits and discovering new things isn’t always profitable

Libertarian isn't anarchy, it is compatible with it to say "slavery shouldn't be allowed" in fact, it is a huge huge part of it..

Anthony Peasley Except it really isn't when we talk about the libertarian idea of "free markets" which forbid any sort of law that punishes certain business practices. Slavery was seen as "free enterprise" and "acceptable via the free market" during the civil war, and slavery along with jim crow were "state's rights issues" according to them as well, despite how it is clearly a bastardization of what the tenth amendment actually says.

Libertarianism is the pratice of volunteerism and the non aggression principle. What about voluntary transaction and non aggression does slavery fall into?

Sean Marsh the non aggression principle is immensely flawed, you lose automatically when you bring it up, especially since the principle itself conflicts with enforcement of the constitution to begin with.