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AMD - The Future is Zen 

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Part 1 of my analysis of AMD's 2016 CPU architecture, "Zen"
Includes a look at what went wrong with the current generation "Bulldozer" architecture.
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@iamPrime
@iamPrime 7 лет назад
1 and half year ago you predicted it. Still this is one of my favorite video .
@Benethen_
@Benethen_ 5 лет назад
wow, it's extremely odd to see a youtuber like you in here.
@MsMotron
@MsMotron 6 лет назад
"16 core for at least a couple of thousend dollers" man i am happy you were so wrong! ryzen threadripper is glorious!
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 6 лет назад
You know I haven't even had the opportunity to use mine since the review, that's how much work I have had.
@dondraper4438
@dondraper4438 6 лет назад
AdoredTV AMD truely struck gold with Zen, I have really high hopes for Ryzen 2.
@Mumbolian
@Mumbolian 8 лет назад
For the first time in a decade, I am curious about an AMD CPU. This is a good day. Great video!
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+Mumbolian Cheers!
@Mumbolian
@Mumbolian 8 лет назад
AdoredTV It's nice to find a source of information that I actually believe. Desperate to know more about things like pascal, but everyone is touting something someone else said as fact. Will be keeping an eye on your channel in future for tech news.
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+Mumbolian I'll be taking a closer look at Pascal as the information presents itself. Nvidia is being pretty quiet about it so far but there are a few clues appearing.
@Mumbolian
@Mumbolian 8 лет назад
AdoredTV Sounds good to me. I've been sitting on a 570GTX for years because I want to play Star Citizen at 1440p and don't have faith that investing in current tech is going to do me any good when it comes out. And I don't really have the money to upgrade my GPU now and then again in 2 years.
@CorruptedGamer2015
@CorruptedGamer2015 8 лет назад
+Mumbolian Same man, i've still got a 4590 and have been debating upgrading to skylake, if zen is as expected then i'll definitely be looking into AMD for once.
@Pan_Z
@Pan_Z 8 лет назад
Really happy for AMD. Their GPU and CPU market seem like they are both about to make major breakthroughs
@ElectrofizzStudiosCo
@ElectrofizzStudiosCo 8 лет назад
+Pan Z 14nm baby
@Pan_Z
@Pan_Z 8 лет назад
Chris Taylor AMD. That one company that doesn't give the middle finger to consumers. I wouldn't call them the good guys, rather, just not the bad guys. Btw, new thing from Intel. Z-170 boards have had BIOS updates (from the motherboard manufactures) so you can overclock and Intel Skylake chip. No need to shell out an extra $30 just for a "k" on the end of your CPU. But guess whose making a patch to fix that? Intel isn't consumer friendly either.
@tooitchy
@tooitchy 8 лет назад
+Pan Z the micro update is already out,and you can't easily avoid it either.
@Pan_Z
@Pan_Z 8 лет назад
Darren Kehrli How so?
@petermichaelnahringbauer8503
@petermichaelnahringbauer8503 8 лет назад
+Pan Z they already blocked this.
@ermalmorina7261
@ermalmorina7261 3 года назад
5 years later watching this video. Seeing the tables being turned and witnessing it over the years was incredible. Well done AMD
@keybraker
@keybraker 6 лет назад
Watching this in September 2017 and I'm really happy for AMD, seeing what they actually achieved !
@Lucretia9000
@Lucretia9000 8 лет назад
I'm definitely waiting for Zen. Intel is way too expensive and their dodgy practices should make people sit up and take notice. Boycott Intel.
@michaelkregnes9119
@michaelkregnes9119 5 лет назад
2 Years later: Waiting for the Ryzen 3000 Series so i can upgrade from G4560 to Ryzen 3600X
@soileH
@soileH 5 лет назад
Rewatching your old videos about AMD after Zen2 and Navi came out. This was unthinkable of only a few years ago.
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 5 лет назад
Time flies. ;)
@sapphie132
@sapphie132 6 лет назад
Watching this after having seen Ryzen succeed. I can't help but be super happy.
@OzTalksHW
@OzTalksHW 8 лет назад
I agree completely. I made a video on my channel that theoretically compares AMD Zen to current Intel architecture and it matches with what you're saying. I believe Zen will succeed despite Bulldozer. The company seems to be out for blood right now and they're making all the right moves to secure a better market position. Plus we have DX12. If they just price their products competitively, they won't have any issues staying in the game - even if they're a tad slower. Keep up the good work man!
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+OzTalksHW Cool, I'll check it out.
@DerpsterIV
@DerpsterIV 8 лет назад
Why even mention dx12? Vulcan is 10x better
@gameguy301
@gameguy301 8 лет назад
+Derps the only functional difference between the two is one is microsoft exclusive and the other is broadly compatible with other platforms, you are exaggerating to an extreme degree. vulkan just released its sepcification only recently anyways if someone wasnt scanning the latests tech newd they wouldnt even know its been released.
@DerpsterIV
@DerpsterIV 8 лет назад
gameguy301 Good point, though 10x better is exadgerating, it is better in every way. So in a way, it is true.
@hikari_no_yume
@hikari_no_yume 6 лет назад
Amusing in retrospect how you hadn't considered that maybe they'd put *four* cores in one package, but you were dead-on for everything else!
@McMrMinecraft
@McMrMinecraft 8 лет назад
If Zen is badass, Intel will have to lower their prices, so ultimately, the consumer wins!
@RyTrapp0
@RyTrapp0 5 лет назад
It's 2019 and they now have an i9 mainstream that costs $500 and HEDT flagship that costs $2000 - Intel gonna Intel
@m.streicher8286
@m.streicher8286 5 лет назад
@@RyTrapp0 hey at least 12 core 4.8 GHz is all but confirmed for zen 2
@carloscruz7317
@carloscruz7317 3 года назад
This aged so well! This was part of my research in buying 15000 shares. I’m happy ver happy
@Steve_Streza
@Steve_Streza 8 лет назад
This was super in depth and helpful, thank you and have a wonderful day!
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
Cheers! You too.
@tylerclouthier4288
@tylerclouthier4288 8 лет назад
There's a little bit of the history left out here. A little more detail into the History of AMD CPUs ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LKxzYFU5a_U.html
@perrrry
@perrrry 8 лет назад
@AdoredTV you are on fire. I'm hooked on all the videos you bring out, and the narrating is just amazing with your accent. Amazing stuff. THANK YOU!
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+perrrry Cheers bud, so much effort in these but over time I hope to get more done more regularly.
@perrrry
@perrrry 8 лет назад
For sure a huge amount of work put into these, but it will pay off!
@perrrry
@perrrry 8 лет назад
+AdoredTV Supported you on patroen.
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+perrrry Wow, cheers bud!
@I9kieran94
@I9kieran94 8 лет назад
+guyparrismin2588 chill the fuck out ya fucking rocket. most pc enthusiasts are excited about zen. Intel need a kick up the arse. their processors are starting to bottleneck and slow gpu technology down because they have too much market share.
@Lesliepa07
@Lesliepa07 7 лет назад
Just watched this again. You were proved so right here!!
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 7 лет назад
Yeah not bad for a year ago, cheers. ;)
@afg04002
@afg04002 5 лет назад
We have come a long way jim . Thanks
@DogeCharger
@DogeCharger 8 лет назад
These are amazing videos. You go extremely in depth with each topic and have very little bias, keep up the great work! ;-)
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+Doge Charger (Alan Szuszkiewicz) Cheers!
@Lomni
@Lomni 8 лет назад
First video of yours I've seen, instantly subscribed. Great voice and accent and excellent knowledge and explanation for those not incredibly well versed.
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+Philip T Cheers!
@pepethebee2762
@pepethebee2762 8 лет назад
Great video, keep it up!
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+John Locke (4TheRace) Cheers!
@LucasDaRonco
@LucasDaRonco 8 лет назад
Also, I wanted to comment that I cannot agree more with ypur thoughts about Zen. Oh and that I really enjoy listening to you (I also find your accent very pleasing, even though my first languaje is Spanish).
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+Lucas Da Ronco Cheers!
@bujin5455
@bujin5455 8 лет назад
Absolutely brilliant analysis! Two thumbs way up! I love the way your argument didn't hinge on a single factor, but rather you gave detailed thought to several market indicators, very informative.
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+Bu Jin Cheers!
@DenimTiger
@DenimTiger 8 лет назад
LOVE your videos, just watched the Polaris vs Pascal Part 1 and now this. Keep up the amazing work :D
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+Prasan Nundlal Cheers!
@mikkelgeorgsen
@mikkelgeorgsen 6 лет назад
Jim, you should do a short follow up to this specific video ;-)
@TheUniversalEyes
@TheUniversalEyes 8 лет назад
I have always been impressed with AMD, yes I started off with Intel, but as time went on, I learned how to build my own computers and started to use AMD processors because they cost less money and worked well. Over the years I have mainly used AMD, but I have also used Intel in between. Honestly, within the last 10 years I never saw much of a difference in performance between the two companies, especially with both companies flagship products. In 2012, I stopped using Intel and went back to AMD's FX processors and have been using them since. I saved a lot of money going with AMD and never had any issues with performance. AMD Radeon video cards are also excellent. I am hoping that AMD Zen will be a huge upgrade for the PC world, it's about time we move forward.
@HeyImGaminOverHere
@HeyImGaminOverHere 8 лет назад
Same here, I primarily use AMD in my systems. I sometimes use Intel for maybe a workstation but it is not often. the price difference is too great, I only use Intel on request. I hope AMD does right by consumers with Zen. I am afraid that Intel will start bribing companies again though if Zen turns out as good as it sounds...
@mdome8584
@mdome8584 8 лет назад
Really in-depth and interesting video, brought up some topics I haven't thought of before. Great video I really enjoyed!
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+f1ndme Cheers!
@ThursdayMonkey475
@ThursdayMonkey475 8 лет назад
Wow, this was very smooth and informative. I felt like I learned tons and you almost made me get a decent grasp on all this technical stuff. Sub'd.
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+ThursdayMonkey475 Cheers!
@xGoodOldSmurfehx
@xGoodOldSmurfehx 8 лет назад
this is why i refuse to buy or actually recommend an Intel CPU unless its absolutely necessary (ex; heavily CPU-sensitive work) these fucking greedy cheaters dont deserve my money
@dondraper4438
@dondraper4438 6 лет назад
It's funny cause Intel did just sit there and take the beat down. Nvidia on the other hand....
@randyyyyyyy6977
@randyyyyyyy6977 8 лет назад
You do such an excellent job of taking a lot of deep dive technical info, and surfacing just the most important parts for guys like me. Keep it up!
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+Randall Drouin Cheers!
@tyleramon8371
@tyleramon8371 8 лет назад
Thanks for the rundown of the Ship, Scotty!
@SettlingAbyss96
@SettlingAbyss96 3 года назад
This video has aged like a fine wine.
@giantmonkey101
@giantmonkey101 6 лет назад
You were right on 98% of your assessment of Zen back than
@ajay19987
@ajay19987 8 лет назад
love the video.very detailed.I'm just wondering,when is the second part of pascal vs polaris video coming?
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+aizatader umaga Part 1 was meant as part 1 of a series - I'll basically add more videos on it after I get a bunch of relevant information so it could be a month or two before that's available.
@ajay19987
@ajay19987 8 лет назад
+AdoredTV alright
@trikki69
@trikki69 8 лет назад
I already watched this video earlier today as I subscribe to AdoredTV but I was on Reddit and it was on my front page so I up voted it. It is a great video and typical of this content creator... insightful, intelligent, well thought out with a very good presentation.
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+trikki69 Cheers!
@sMooVe1982
@sMooVe1982 8 лет назад
Love your accent, love your content. Hope you continue to do videos like this :)
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+sMooVe Cheers!
@robby12320
@robby12320 8 лет назад
Nice video, but dat accent though.
@ShallowDepression
@ShallowDepression 8 лет назад
Yeah, it's a great accent.
@WanBerry
@WanBerry 8 лет назад
+robby12320 its cute accent!
@Deathless2288
@Deathless2288 8 лет назад
+Kvarnholmen Try watching Limmy's Show. It's also Scottish.
@sparx0414
@sparx0414 8 лет назад
+Kvarnholmen Drink a couple beers, you'd understand him better.
@RunePenrod
@RunePenrod 8 лет назад
+robby12320 Nothing wrong with his accent.
@keithclark3479
@keithclark3479 8 лет назад
Really well made video! Got me hyped for the next round of chips.
@barnumcastillo2789
@barnumcastillo2789 8 лет назад
Really good analysis, and I hope the best for AMD and your channel
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
Cheers!
@neglesaks
@neglesaks 7 лет назад
This is top notch stuff mate, thank you!
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 7 лет назад
Cheers.
@AloofObserver
@AloofObserver 8 лет назад
I've been holding out for Zen... it had better be good otherwise I have been holding onto my Phenom II X4 for all this time in vain XD
@jakobdippel8231
@jakobdippel8231 8 лет назад
+Marcus Antonius same here :) combined with my 5870. Both have to go.^^ but they sure as hell did a fine job till this day :)
@rushdrift
@rushdrift 8 лет назад
+Marcus Antonius phenom ii x4 is quite a good cpu even for the age
@heidirichter
@heidirichter 8 лет назад
+Marcus Antonius I'm also still on a Phenom II X4 - specifically a 955 Black Edition, mildly overclocked to 3.6GHz. It still works fairly well, although better IPC is certainly something I'm hoping for in Zen in order for me to upgrade to it...
@zolikoff
@zolikoff 8 лет назад
Why in vain? I'm also on Phenom II and I feel no issues that would be holding it back still. It only makes a difference if you really want to go with high-end gaming or something very CPU heavy.
@heidirichter
@heidirichter 8 лет назад
+zolikoff Or want better single-threaded performance. For some tasks, this can be more important than multi-threaded performance, and even when multi-threaded tasks are being run, a better IPC will still give a huge benefit. I'm still happy with my Phenom II X4 955, but there are some things it's sadly not up to - emulation of some other systems, it's not fantastic for transcoding on the fly in Plex media server, and there are other things where the CPU is currently the bottleneck in my system.
@tehBadboy09
@tehBadboy09 8 лет назад
Nice video m8, very imformative. You have just hyped this up for me now!!!!
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+John Wilson Cheers!
@Illiyeen_Jameel
@Illiyeen_Jameel 7 лет назад
+adoredtv I just love how accurate you always are. Good damn love your videos...keep up the quality. I don't mind the wait.
@deadfishthesecond
@deadfishthesecond 8 лет назад
favorite part of the video: "If anyone can mess this up, it's AMD." Cross your fingers that this isn't another failure, I'm pulling for AMD this year.
@terencedsouza2885
@terencedsouza2885 6 лет назад
Ryan Lamb this guy was damn right coz in 2018 they are kicking Intel's butt
@audiogarden21
@audiogarden21 8 лет назад
SCOTSMAAAAAAN!
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+audiogarden21 Sup lol!
@audiogarden21
@audiogarden21 8 лет назад
AdoredTV =D On your way to ten thousand, hoss!
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+audiogarden21 Yeah it's really picked up with these tech vids, I kinda knew it would - they are just so much work though lol, gimme some gaming any day :P Fun when they're finished though and a nice sense of satisfaction and excitement thinking about the next one.
@audiogarden21
@audiogarden21 8 лет назад
AdoredTV It also gives you an excuse to stay informed. Next time you're at the pub and some sexy ladies are chattin' it up about the CPU/GPU market you'll be able to dazzle them with your Scotsledge.
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+audiogarden21 Very true, and I'm already getting offers!
@twokindsoflove
@twokindsoflove 8 лет назад
another great video! so glad I found this channel. keep up the great work!
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+Emma Haxxor Cheers!
@TheIronYuppie100
@TheIronYuppie100 8 лет назад
Loving these videos about chip design and market practices. Great information.
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+TheIronYuppie100 Cheers!
@prateeksaini5412
@prateeksaini5412 6 лет назад
pretty ballsy review at the time, crystal ballsy!
@ShiroKage009
@ShiroKage009 8 лет назад
As long as AMD does well in benchmarks, it's going to be good ... f*ck Bulldozer and Excavator.
@shdowhunt60
@shdowhunt60 8 лет назад
+ShiroiKage009 Excavator's been doing fine in benchmarks, considering that it's literally two manufacturing generations behind, and is a lower IPC design. The problem is that OEM's are putting them in shittily made laptops, and trying to cram them in chassis that were designed for Intel's chips without accounting for Carrizo's differences.
@ShiroKage009
@ShiroKage009 8 лет назад
shdowhunt60 Not really. Excavator still suffers from terrible TDPs/power-per-performance (bad for laptops) and, compared to Intel, has really bad IPC making them a worse choice than i5s for just about anything. Excavator is only an incremental improvement over Bulldozer.
@SpookySkeleton738
@SpookySkeleton738 8 лет назад
+ShiroiKage009 At least an unlocked FX processor is cheap as shit compared to say an i5 4690k
@ShiroKage009
@ShiroKage009 8 лет назад
Spooky Skeleton Not really, not for the performance you get out of it. A 4690k will best almost anything AMD has in its price range on all the benchmarks and do it with less power draw.
@SpookySkeleton738
@SpookySkeleton738 8 лет назад
ShiroiKage009 I didn't even know there was an FX processor in the 4690k's price range. The most expensive I've seen is £110 while the 4690k is like £170-180
@GolfRambo
@GolfRambo 8 лет назад
Glad I found this channel. Have learnt a lot about AMD and nVidia in the past day or so of subscribing. Great videos, keep it up man.
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+Sahota018 Cheers!
@s77lom49
@s77lom49 8 лет назад
Man, i really enjoy your videos and appreciate the work you do. thank you. subbed :)
@osheaness
@osheaness 4 года назад
If you had bought $1000 of AMD stock when this video was released (~$2), today (4/9/20) it would be worth $24,190
@dimitrijemirkovic8971
@dimitrijemirkovic8971 8 лет назад
You deserve more Subscribers my friend. :)
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@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+Dimitrije Mirkovic Cheers, it's been improving these past few weeks. ;)
@ladystrawberries5267
@ladystrawberries5267 8 лет назад
+AdoredTV Well, you just got me onboard.
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+Lord Strawberries Cheers!
@markhc4429
@markhc4429 8 лет назад
Great informative video. Can't wait to see what this year brings in terms of new CPUs.
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+Mark HC Cheers!
@Aleteh
@Aleteh 8 лет назад
What a fantastic informative video :) subbed for more of this content in the future!
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+Aleteh Cheers.
@naomiwashinton8102
@naomiwashinton8102 8 лет назад
I've never bought an AMD chip, but I'm really rooting for them. Intel has become too dominate in the market and has genuinely upset me by who they support and their dirty dealings over the years. The best thing that could happen to the CPU market is for AMD to dominate Intel this upcoming round and force Intel to start caring again.
@dra6o0n
@dra6o0n 8 лет назад
+Naomi Washinton Capitalism leads to that, corrupt in nature and intentions as they suddenly don't feel threatened by the market anymore.
@kcvriess
@kcvriess 8 лет назад
It's what I've been thinking for years now! Lose the integrated graphics from the CPU and use it for extra core's, OR...simply make current chips smaller and cheaper. People who run dedicated graphic cards don't use the integrated graphics and people that do, should be better off with a $€100 cheaper Intel CPU and buying a budget $€30 graphics card. So, I wholeheartedly support AMD for NOT integrating the graphics into their ZEN chips!
@xGoodOldSmurfehx
@xGoodOldSmurfehx 8 лет назад
+kcvriess nothing changes, their APUs will still have iGPUs they simply decided not to put any GPU on their CPUs like Intel has always been doing with their i-core series
@MrMiddleWick
@MrMiddleWick 8 лет назад
+kcvriess It's not about making budget pc gamers happy. It's about making that dolla, son. People using iGPUs give them way more money than PC gamers.
@dra6o0n
@dra6o0n 8 лет назад
+kcvriess they don't need a integrated graphics on CPU intensive products. They have the APUs for that. So basically AMD will create 2 types of cpu products: Performance CPUs, and Balanced APUs. Those simply wanting a simple graphics and computing can get a APU, and with a smaller chip size, the APUs will only get better in general. While those wishing to build gaming desktops, can go pure cpu and discreet gpu builds, for higher performance and better pricing.
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+untseac You won't think so after you see my next Zen video. ;)
@RobBCactive
@RobBCactive 3 года назад
It's 2020 and it's definitely not stupid to use an APU. I just built with an APU with Vega gfx ... my reason is due to new Zen3 and Navi2 launch, after Nvidia launched RTX 30x0 with scarcely any real product available to anyone but influencers. It costs a lot more to buy low end CPU/discrete GPU resellable on used market whilst I can upgrade to discrete using the same motherboard. Those cheap gfx cards have been wiped out by Intel bundling gfx, one costs more than the low end Athlon APU. At the $130 mark you have a capable 1080p APU PC .. but can it run Crysis Remastered?
@Xboxshqip
@Xboxshqip 8 лет назад
Another great video carefully put together.. Keep up the good work.
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+Xboxshqip Cheers!
@jawadkazmi5327
@jawadkazmi5327 7 лет назад
this is how good a prediction can get.. and mate you were spot on.. sound analysis with substance.. thanks :)
@wcg66
@wcg66 8 лет назад
AMD is winning to some extent with APUs - decent CPU performance with better integrated GPU performance than Intel. AMD is also winning with a percentage of price-sensitive customers with cheap FM2+ builds with 880K, for example. To win, they need to win on price. If you can buy a Zen CPU that is equivalent in games to an i5 for less money they have a chance. If they have a high end CPU with 16 cores that is more like a Xeon than i7 then that could win over power users too. AMD also needs to have vendors offering competitive AM4 motherboards with all the bells and whistles of the current crop of Z170 boards - .e.g. M.2, CrossFire/SLI, lots of USB 3. If you can get a Zen CPU and AM4 motherboard for a good chunk less than Intel + Z170, they can win back some market share.
@ankitsaudi939
@ankitsaudi939 8 лет назад
finally I can get rid of T-800 Chip
@Swing4gr8nessN8
@Swing4gr8nessN8 8 лет назад
Great video. Very informative and enjoyable at the same time
@badmanbob3
@badmanbob3 8 лет назад
Nice upload, very informative. Where's the "nano matters" video you referred to?
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+Keith Straughn ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-d9aaGyqm2m8.html
@badmanbob3
@badmanbob3 8 лет назад
+AdoredTV thanks
@segers887
@segers887 7 лет назад
i hope the intel fanboys can handle this
@bad4ever2001
@bad4ever2001 8 лет назад
I am buying Zen, AMD for life!
@chamillionaire78
@chamillionaire78 8 лет назад
I appreciate how much research you did to clearly explain the issues with amd. keep up the good work dude!!
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+YourBudgetGamer Cheers!
@kaegrim
@kaegrim 8 лет назад
wow, impressive. I was glued for 21mins. What i can say, an easy subscribe. Thanks for the video.
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@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+Daniel Sahlén Cheers!
@VarietyGamerChannel
@VarietyGamerChannel 8 лет назад
I had to kick my 8350 up to 4.8ghz with water-cooling just to alleviate some bottle necking with the Fury I recently acquired. He's such a little trooper, still going strong with thermal throttling disabled. Yeah he still drags his feet and costs me ~10 frames in games, but that's ok, I will run him into the ground before upgrading mobo and cpu next year. He will die a proud, glorious fiery death ya ken? :P
@henrikolsen5540
@henrikolsen5540 8 лет назад
+VarietyGamer Get a i5-6600k temporarily. Your gonna have to upgrade to a AM4 socket anyways.
@silentprototype2806
@silentprototype2806 8 лет назад
My Little trooper, The A6 3650 has been Overclocked to 2.9 GHZ and to 600 MHZ IGPU. So a 0.3 GHZ increase on the CPU and 200 MHZ on the IGPU, The little thing is still holding on to its self without throtthleling and With the crappy AMD Stock cooler. I guess I will also drive it to the ground. He will die happy knowing he beat a i5 4460 in almost any game that was trown at it. (AMD IGPU VS Intel IGPU Aint fair :P, The A6's HD 6530D was winning quite hard) So I salute your 8350 And my A6 3650 in hopes that Zen will Fix it all.
@patiencedvrx
@patiencedvrx 8 лет назад
I want a Zen CPU now.
@phillgizmo8934
@phillgizmo8934 8 лет назад
+Kestal it's healthy to want. Zen you can be. I'm already zen about next amd's cpu architecture.
@djsensacion7
@djsensacion7 8 лет назад
Fantastic video ! I do hope you mention AMD's use of HSA compute, That is where they will take off
@ProphetC2
@ProphetC2 8 лет назад
I applaude you for factoring in manufacturing data, I was greatly surprised when you showed the different FF technologies.
@dontpresssubscribe1938
@dontpresssubscribe1938 8 лет назад
I'm currently using an OC'D 8350, even if zen is 50% faster, I have no need to upgrade. My 8350 does everything i need it to do and i still max out games with 0 stutter. I paid 100$ my 8350,and do not regret it.
@MrNappySlapper
@MrNappySlapper 8 лет назад
+Greg Thomas An 8350 will definitely bottleneck higher tier cards, anything from a 390 up and you will be held back by that cpu.
@sickbailey21
@sickbailey21 8 лет назад
+MrNappySlapper depends on what monitor he's outputting to as well though really
@MrNappySlapper
@MrNappySlapper 8 лет назад
+sickbailey21 true, I just assumed he was gaming at 1080p
@supercrimefighter13
@supercrimefighter13 8 лет назад
I was seriously considering jumping the gun and replacing my FX-6300 with an Intel Broadwell or Skylake, but this video has convinced me to wait and see if Zen is any good. I freaking love your videos man!!
@Merlin9000A
@Merlin9000A 8 лет назад
thank you for decrypting all the future gaming hardware information for us, as always very informative videos. I do have a question for you. Have you heard of 3D XPoint(compatible with latest intel cpu only) that is supposedly coming on Optane SSD later this year, and eventually for new desktop ram memory. Would you think this would benefit game loading time as SSD did moving from HD? Or is this only for big server datacenter use, and us Desktop hardware consumers will not be able to afford it. Just to give you a brief background on my end. I have build this Desktop computer about 7 years ago i7 920 2.66G CPU, GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD4P, 18gb DDR3, Samsung SSD 840 Pro with Nvidia 670 OC I do plan to build a new computer from scratch for when Star Citizen will be released(beginning of 2017 or so) Who ever gets top benchmark for this game i will buy their hardware from, i sure do hope so that AMD will be the winner. Before my 670 i did have AMD card, and id love to go back to AMD and give them my support so we have a healthy competition. Im sorry for the huge wall of text. Thank you in advance AdoredTV Merlin007
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+Merlin007 Yep I've heard about 3D Xpoint but I haven't paid a whole lot of attention to it yet. If they can charge big money for it they will though, you can be sure of that. ;) For me though this will be a few years out before it's really seen in PC's. Cheers.
@Merlin9000A
@Merlin9000A 8 лет назад
+AdoredTV thanks for a prompt reply :) regarding AMD GPU we know they are always pushed to add latest DP and HDMI support tech. If AMD Vega gpu with HBM2 does come out around Christmas time or a bit later, do you think Display Port 1.4 will be on their Vega chip or DP 1.4 is something few years out, since it was just announced few months back. The reason i was thinking about this is playing Star Citizen on a TV 5K@60Hz HDR or 4k with 120Hz HDR but if not than i will settle with DP 1.3 which is coming for sure with Polaris. Cheers Mate :)
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+Merlin007 Hm interesting - tbh I'm really not sure as I don't pay a huge amount of attention to output formats. All I know is that AMD is committed to displayport and if they had the ability while designing Vega they would add it. Given it was only just done last month I doubt it though.
@Merlin9000A
@Merlin9000A 8 лет назад
+AdoredTV much obliged for your straightforward answers. Looking forward to more of your videos :) Cheers !!!
@CAEeQuilibium
@CAEeQuilibium 8 лет назад
Again, incredibly informative, clean and straight up facts. Not opinions or being biased. Love your stuff dude, seriously awesome.
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+Levon iTz (Night) Cheers!
@SoriPop
@SoriPop 3 года назад
So you were right :D
@SoriPop
@SoriPop 3 года назад
@@achraf517 Indeed zen 3 will take the gaming crown.
@streetguru9350
@streetguru9350 8 лет назад
I'm just waiting on Zen APUs with HBM on die
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+Street Guru Probably around mid 2017, should be very interesting yeah.
@rx10
@rx10 8 лет назад
+AdoredTV mid 2017 apu's with hbm ? lmao
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+rx10 Why do you think that's funny?
@RobBCactive
@RobBCactive 3 года назад
What's actually happened is funnier ... mainstream laptops are mainly still using Intel 14nm despite AMD dominating performance on a mature 7nm node.
@AshtonCoolman
@AshtonCoolman 5 лет назад
It's now October 2018. Yep, you hit the nail on the head. Here's hoping Zen 2 keeps it going!
@AYorkshiremanPlaysGames
@AYorkshiremanPlaysGames 8 лет назад
Good video mate, I'm hoping for more competition and I'm hoping that in the future we can actually see some innovation in the market.
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+A Yorkshireman Plays Cheers!
@Mario2x2
@Mario2x2 8 лет назад
Shh my fx-4100 shh your not that bad. You only eat alot.
@Luka_3D
@Luka_3D 8 лет назад
That's exackly what I'm telling my 6300 XD
@silentprototype2806
@silentprototype2806 8 лет назад
Shhh A6 3650....You dont suck....You just eat alot of power....Dont Worry A6 3650 I still love you.... No seriously I do, Core i5 4460 got outpreformed by my power hungry A6. Integrated graphics FTW A6
@MegaT3rr0R
@MegaT3rr0R 8 лет назад
But doesn't amd have xbox and ps4 ? does the market share chart use this information ?
@Whosimon
@Whosimon 8 лет назад
+MegaT3rr0R They make no money with the consoles. But the chart probably ignores them, since it looks at the computer market.
@MegaT3rr0R
@MegaT3rr0R 8 лет назад
Also wouldn't that mean that ported games would be better optimised on the new amd cpus?
@Whosimon
@Whosimon 8 лет назад
+MegaT3rr0R You underestimate the power of the Jews, but yes in theory they would.
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+MegaT3rr0R The console market is still pretty small compared to the overall PC market, something like 1/10th the size I think.
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+MegaT3rr0R Assuming that the next gen consoles will be Zen based (they will be) then there may be some benefits in the future, though generally speaking x86 CPUs are very similar and any benefit is likely to be seen more on the graphics side.
@ToneRetroGaming
@ToneRetroGaming 8 лет назад
I learn so much watching these. The information is amazing.
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+Tone Tech and Gaming Cheers!
@WanBerry
@WanBerry 8 лет назад
another fine research and great documentary shall i say..well done sir!
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+Wan BerryHD Cheers!
@matel9985
@matel9985 8 лет назад
I'm still using Athlon 64 X2..
@sparx0414
@sparx0414 8 лет назад
+Matlov LOL so is nick from Linus media group...
@joesmith706
@joesmith706 8 лет назад
+Robert Velikov lol. you saw the disassembly also. I am also rocking an x2 5400+
@sparx0414
@sparx0414 8 лет назад
Joe Smith lol yea, I'm surprised that that cpu is still holding it's own. I guess it shows how bad the bulldozer was xD
@Ibrahim-ls2qk
@Ibrahim-ls2qk 8 лет назад
How about marketing? A whole lot of noobs never heard of AMD
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+Raizo.K They just need a good CPU again. If Zen rocks, plenty of people will know about it same as happened back in 2000 with Athlon.
@danieltrump7081
@danieltrump7081 8 лет назад
with the new information released today I am very excited to see your next Zen video!!! Was a big day . . . Zen beating broadwell E in blender @3.0ghz . . . was not expecting that . . .
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
Big surprise to me as well, but let's keep our heads on lol - who knows what AMD's marketing can conjur up next. ;)
@danieljharris42
@danieljharris42 8 лет назад
Hey man! I found a GeForce 690 for 200$ do you think this is a good price per performance (for my first computer build). And would this card be good on newer hardware (motherboard/cup) or should I get older models for it? Btw love your videos!
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+danieljharris42 It's a good price for the card itself however SLI support is pretty poor these days and I wouldn't normally recommend dual GPU cards. It'll run like a 680 in most cases, which is still fairly ok I guess at 1080p. Cheers.
@danieljharris42
@danieljharris42 8 лет назад
+AdoredTV what about other hard ware? What would you recommend to go with it?
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+danieljharris42 Any i5 or i3 from the 2500 series and newer should be good. Motherboards all perform the same, it's more about features at the high-end.
@fcbv1
@fcbv1 8 лет назад
I love your accent. Where you from?
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+GamingHardwareChannel Scotland, cheers!
@fcbv1
@fcbv1 8 лет назад
Nice! My sister lives in Scotland.
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+GamingHardwareChannel Cool, what city or town?
@fcbv1
@fcbv1 8 лет назад
Aberdeen.
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+GamingHardwareChannel Cool, I'm not living in Scotland now, currently in Sweden.
@gamingchannel-gh2wh
@gamingchannel-gh2wh 4 года назад
And 3 years later zen is kicking intel ARSSSS 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@michelchatz4000
@michelchatz4000 8 лет назад
Another great, enjoyable and informative as expected. Seriously keep up the amazing job. On another notice btw. why would you say that the cpu market has not made any leaps in the past 5 years? And more importantly, I would like to know the context around that statement. Do you mean that the desktop grade cpus have been kept around the same level of performance? To some extent i could agree that we don't notice a big performance increase in the past generations. But it's more that cpus were already fast enough to handle most demanding processes, so intel focused on smaller dies lower power consumption and more IPCs rather than raw clock speed (which saw a descent increase as well). Going however to much smaller processors (laptops tablets etc.) or top of the line products( server grade gear a.k.a xeons) we see a tremendous increase in power efficiency, core count and raw performance which was mainly achieved through higher IPCs. Going over to the other side and team red. I have been watching the cpu market for quite some time, and well zen is the big thing everyone is expecting. Personally i think that it has to do much more with real competition entering the market rather than the fact that amd is going to be able to outpower intel either on single core performance or overall performance. Let us not forget about the rumours on intel's new architecture on 10 nm which could blow amd out of the water which appears to be on it's final breath in the cpu market. I want zen to be successful and the pc market NEEDS it to be succesful but to be frank it seems like a double-edged knife. Amd looks like they have had a respectable budget with this new product lineup, one that they could possible have not been able to afford, and who is to say that intel doesn't just buyout the market once again and shut-down competition once and for all. I would like to hear you expand on the subject for it is something that i didn't see on the video(quite understendably since it was mainly an informative piece on the new cpu rather than the status of the market.)
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+michalis chatzipetros Cheers. I just don't rate 5% IPC improvement every year I guess. I know that efficiency is improving but really only in mobile, desktop guys don't even see that. Apparently Skylake just stays the same on efficiency vs Haswell - forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2463807, otherwise my 95W i5 2500K can't be that far away from any other Intel CPU of the past 5 years. There there is overclocking, with SB still ruling the roost. As a gamer, there has been no CPU upgrade worth it since Sandy Bridge that a GPU wouldn't bring. I don't agree that CPUs are fast enough, my hour-long renders are proof of that. Even an FX CPU would be faster than my i5 for that stuff but the FX suffers too much in gaming. What it comes down to is, Intel could do more to save desktop but they won't, they just keep on shrinking dies instead of giving us more cores. I may touch on the other subject in a later video.
@Kneedragon1962
@Kneedragon1962 6 лет назад
Start of May 2018. This is why I adore your TV. It's excellent.
@ctrlx1406
@ctrlx1406 8 лет назад
over here with my old ass 8350 wanting to get my god damned new cpu cause intel is cancer
@Gabriel-nb2gg
@Gabriel-nb2gg 8 лет назад
+ReVo Shade lmao I also have an phenom 8450 this thing sucks
@Luka_3D
@Luka_3D 8 лет назад
Put your computer into the kitchen, buy a new mobo that supports the 9590 and use it's heat to heat up water, cook food and warm your house.
@ctrlx1406
@ctrlx1406 8 лет назад
+Luka David Torkar For real, I have a 970A mobo and the things heat spreaders are so ass. they actually have a history of catching on fire lmao
@Luka_3D
@Luka_3D 8 лет назад
I have the same mobo! Do you mean the heatspreaders on the motherboard itselve? I mean the cpu is watercooled anyway but I don't understand how they can catch fire.
@mrlithium69
@mrlithium69 8 лет назад
I can get over the accent until he keeps saying "Chap" for chip...
@ViperCannabis
@ViperCannabis 8 лет назад
+mrlithium69 and those "sex nanomatters" lol
@collindani4817
@collindani4817 8 лет назад
As usual! Fantastic video! Keep up the good work :)
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+Collin Dani Cheers!
@Taugeshtu
@Taugeshtu 8 лет назад
Nice vid. Slight correction: there won't be APUs (CPUs with integrated graphics) _initially_. But they'll come around with updated graphics in due time. Would certainly be nice for notebooks. And kind of a wish: if I could get 8-core Zen with Ivy Bridge single-thread performance under 45W in my socket - I'd feel set.
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+Taugeshtu Yes the Zen APU's are coming in 2017, probably around mid.
@bitelogger
@bitelogger 8 лет назад
Have to say this was really good info, well prepared, congrats!!!
@-HustleUnion-
@-HustleUnion- 8 лет назад
never had a decent pc until recently and it came with the fx-4100 bulldozer, compared to the old pc this chip was soo refreshing and fast as hell I fell in love with it. never needed an upgrade makes me wonder how much faster an intel chip would be. very informative video I learned a lot about cpu's
@zkristic
@zkristic 8 лет назад
You are definitely my new favorite tech RU-vidr. Keep up the good work!
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+Zoran Kristić Cheers!
@JULIANOPGPR
@JULIANOPGPR 8 лет назад
@AdoredTV /+AdoredTV Do you think that in the future we will see bigger CPUs, and CPU slots since we got to the phisical limts of silicon/silicium ( we cant get them any smaller), so maybe the manufactures will need to make bigger blocks to hold more processing power and get faster results.
@adoredtv
@adoredtv 8 лет назад
+Nomad Brasil I think there will be much more emphasis on architecture that there currently is but bigger die sizes are a possibility. If you look at GPUs on 28nm they went from 360mm2 to 600mm2 over 4 years. The same will probably happen again on 14nm. It will be interesting to see what Intel does with Kabylake as they would normally be going to 10nm but are still stuck on 14nm themselves. It could be a bigger chip, though they are limited by market forces.
@JULIANOPGPR
@JULIANOPGPR 8 лет назад
AdoredTV i woud love to see a new amd CPU being cheaper than a intel one, and having the same performance. If they opt for bigger sizes i think it will be a comeback for desktops.
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