Are Free Grace and Dispensationalism Wrong Because They Are Unpopular? - Ken Yates 

nope...that doesn't "say It All"...the Bible is a very big book, and that's just one verse...per-versed...

@@anarchorepublican5954 bs

Now read verse 10, which is universally ignored by the hyper grace crowd: "For we are His workmanship, _created in Christ Jesus for good works_ , which God prepared beforehand that _we should walk in them_ ."

@@anarchorepublican5954acts 16:30 sirs what must I do to be saved?, and they said believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and though shall be saved and thy house.

@@IbelievethegospelCorrect! Also, the CONTENT of the Gospel of Grace is found in 1 Cor. 15:1-4. To add anything to this truth is to corrupt the Gospel offer.

I’ve mentioned this before in discussion with the works trusters and some have countered with saying free gracers just take verses that talk about faith and works and say “that’s talking about rewards in heaven” Which they then argue we can’t definitively explain

@@John1633. Thanks for your thoughts . Ephesians 2:8-9 Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6 ; Titus 3:5 ; Phillipians 3:9 ; & the book of Galatians undeniably EXCLUDE their assertion , exegetically . Further , in every conceivable Evangelistic/Everlasting Life/Justification before God passage , the mention of perseverance till death in an unknowable level (%) of hopefully good enough behavioral performance (works) are entirely absent as a condition of entering His Kingdom . Undeniable to any truly invested in the pursuit of truth .

It's not about how many works it's a lifestyle pattern. Faith without works or evidence is a dead faith. How long? He that endures to the end will be saved. Meaning nobody is saved right now those who have repented which is the consequence of faith must continue following/ believing and obeying Jesus till the end will be saved.

​​@@2Chronicles714_ "Lifestyle" ? How Good of a Lifestyle (?) you can Neither Know , nor articulate . So , your "gospel" is NEVER KNOWING that one possesses the Free and Never Deserving Gift of endless Everlasting Life short of Hitting the Finish Line in a hopefully good enough - but entirely Unknowable - "Lifestyle" ...whatever the heck that could possibly mean ? So , you obviously never Unwrap the Free and Never Deserving Gift of endless Everlasting Life, on your presupposition . Your entire scheme reduces to Unknowability . You've got a Never Quantifiable "standard" of purely behavioral performance considerations (works) , coupled with a Never Knowable Calvinistic Determinism not unlike John MacArthur , Paul Washer , Ray Comfort , R.C. Sproul (etc.) that clearly reduces to works righteousness . It Tops Out at purely subjective criteria , which can Neither be Quantified nor Qualified . Makes No sense whatsoever . Completely antithetical to His Objective Guarantee Everlasting Life (John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9) at a moment in time , with Forever consequence . So , you're attempting a 'Mission Impossible' in attempting to work for a Free and Never Deserving Gift that you Never possess until "successfully completing the Performance Contract till death (with all the Terms and Conditions never known) . Yet , you somehow find THAT message "reasonable/rational/coherent" ? Wow...kinda like Square Circles , 4 Sided Triangles , Married Bachelors and One Ended Sticks ? Um...ain't gonna happen in any Universe underscored by the Laws of Logic that adjudicate any truth claim .

Only a couple of pastors were preaching this new doctrine in the 1980's. It exploded about 20 years ago. It's popularity is growing because it appeals to the flesh.

@@2Chronicles714_on the contrary, other doctrines make people self righteous.

@@Ezekio3160 Jesus said those unwilling to repent of their sins are self righteous.

It's a new doctrine that started in the 1970's by Jack Hyles.

@@2Chronicles714_ The fact that this person came up with this idea by reading Scripture doesn’t mean that the concept of Free Grace is not already in the Bible.

@Trish_in_Christ What is your understanding of how to be born again and what happens to the person afterwards ?

@@2Chronicles714_ To believe that Jesus’s sacrifice was sufficient to save and justify us forever, and that whoever believes in this and His Resurrection cab never be plucked from the Father’s hand. What happens afterwards is that we love God and are forever thankful to Jesus for rescuing us.

@@Trish_in_Christ What about repenting of sin as Jesus Peter and Paul said we must do ?

All paths lead to "destruction". The body decays in the grave or wherever it is (that's the "destruction"!). The "broad way” is the clueless way. Either we believe or we are clueless. Narrow way is the Church. As Christians; we are unfortunately exclusive.

@justfromcatholic - To compare and contrast LS from FG is best done by simply saying your have to have works or you are NOT saved. LS agree that unless Jesus is the Lord and Master of your life then you are NOT saved. FG agrees that one does not use any works for salvific purpose. These beliefs are mutually exclusive and are not found in both LS and FG camps.

@@lakedays3708 You wrote "best done by simply saying your have to have works or you are NOT saved." Isn' that LS position, that is, if believers don't have works, then they are not saved? Or do I misunderstand you?

@@justfromcatholic - I am saying LS require works in order to be saved AND FG does not require works to be saved. This is the difference between these two groups.

@@lakedays3708 Yes and that is what I also wrote.

@@justfromcatholic - OK

"A Response to the Cheap Grace Charge" July 24, 2019 by Bob Wilkin faithalone.org/blog/a-response-to-the-cheap-grace-charge/ I received the following question about a blog post one of our readers saw: I was wondering if GES has a response to this post I recently saw on Facebook: Dietrich Bonhoeffer, the great German pastor, theologian, martyr, spy was asked in 1943 how it was possible for the Church to sit back and let Hitler seize absolute power. His firm answer: “It was the teaching of cheap grace.” “Cheap grace is the preaching of forgiveness without requiring repentance, baptism without church discipline, communion without confession, absolution without personal confession. Cheap grace is grace without discipleship, grace without the cross, grace without Jesus Christ.” We live in a time and culture that not only teaches cheap grace but praises it. I found that post. You can read it here. It is by someone who calls himself Theist Thug Life (TTL). Note that TTL states his own opinions in the opening and closing sentences. First, let’s consider what TTL says. Was Bonhoeffer a martyr for Christianity? That is what TTL means. I’d say no. I’d say he was a martyr for the resistance movement: In October 1940, Dietrich Bonhoeffer began work as an agent for Military Intelligence, supposedly using his ecumenical contacts to help the cause of the Reich. In reality, he used his contacts to spread information about the resistance movement. In trips to Italy, Switzerland, and Scandinavia in 1941 and 1942, he informed them of resistance activities and tried, in turn, to gain foreign support for the German resistance. (For the full story, see here.) He was indeed, as TTL says, a spy. He was working against the Nazi government to bring it down. I just preached on Rom 13:1-7 this past Sunday. While preparing for the sermon, I found that pastors like John Piper and John MacArthur pointed out that Paul gives no room for resisting one’s government. Yes, if the government commands citizens to violate God’s commands, then we disobey (Daniel 3, 6; Acts 5:29). But if the government is corrupt, we are not free to seek to overthrow it. Piper and MacArthur point out that even the American Revolution violated Rom 13:1-7. I was taught at Dallas Theological Seminary that pastors and theologians are to be non-political. While we should exercise our right to vote, we do not use our ministries to tell people whom to vote for. Nor do we use our ministries to try to overthrow our mayor, governor, President, and other elected officials. To do so would be to violate Rom 13:1-7. Paul says, “There is no authority except from God…” (Rom 13:1). Does that include Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, and Mao? Yes. “Therefore, whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves” (Rom 13:2). Might it be that Bonhoeffer was executed because he resisted the ordinance of God? That is how I read Rom 13:2. TTL ends by saying, “We live in a time and culture that not only teaches cheap grace but praises it.” I don’t think he is correct. Whether we use Bonhoeffer’s definition of cheap grace, or that of others today, very few in Evangelicalism proclaim that message today. Second, let’s consider what Bonhoeffer wrote. Does God’s Word teach forgiveness without repentance? Not on an interpersonal level (Matt 18:21-35). But God forgives us all our trespasses in a positional sense the moment we believe in Jesus (Col 2:13). Even as believers, if we are walking in fellowship with God, then the condition for fellowship forgiveness is confessing our sins, not repentance (1 John 1:9). Only when we are in the spiritual far country must we repent to be forgiven (Luke 15:1-32). Does the Bible teach that baptism should be linked with church discipline? Bonhoeffer came from a tradition which sees salvation beginning with baptism, typically infant baptism. So, his point is that saved people should be subject to church discipline. That is correct (1 Cor 5:5, 9-11), though of course no one is born again by baptism. Regeneration occurs when we believe in Christ for everlasting life. Does the Bible teach “communion without confession”? It depends on how we understand 1 Cor 11:28, “But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup.” I do not think that refers to confession of sins. In context Paul is asking the believers in Corinth to examine their own attitude toward the Lord’s Supper. If they view it as a regular meal, then they may get sick or even die (1 Cor 11:30). If they view it as a holy meal, a time to reflect on Jesus’ death on our behalf, then they have the right attitude. Are we not to keep short accounts with God (1 John 1:9)? We are not to wait from one time we take communion to the next before we confess our sins. What about “grace without discipleship”? Must we follow Christ in order to be born again and in order to retain our salvation? That is what Bonhoeffer is saying. But he is quite wrong. Ephesians 2:8-9 makes it clear that we have been saved by grace through faith and apart from works. Discipleship is a work, a lot of work. What about “grace without the cross”? Bonhoeffer does not mean grace without Christ’s dying on the cross for our sins. He means grace without our taking up our own crosses and suffering for Christ. That is Lordship Salvation or works salvation. I’m not sure what he means by “grace without Jesus Christ.” Most likely he means salvation apart from following Christ’s example. Dr. Charles Stanley was asked about cheap grace. In a message called, “The High Cost of God’s Grace,” Stanley says, “Grace is free, but it’s not cheap. It cost God His Son, and yet He gives it to us freely” (see here). Cheap wrongly implies we buy our own salvation at a steep discount. But as Stanley says, it is free to us, not cheap. But for God it was not cheap, rather the greatest price paid in history. I agree. Everlasting life is a free gift given to all who simply believe in Jesus. There is no other condition. Those who add additional conditions are trying to improve on God’s Word. They think that the quality of people in our churches is low. They are convinced God wants church people to live holier lives than they are living. So their solution is to make it harder to get into the church. Raise the bar. Raise the entrance requirements. Is it godly to teach man-made doctrines which contradict God’s Word? No. No matter how reasonable a preacher might sound, if what he is saying contradicts God’s Word, then we should reject his message.

How is it ignoring that? Free grace preaches to follow the teaching of Christ but don’t think that has anything to do with your salvation.

If you believe in Jesus for everlasting life then you have it and will never lose it. Even Paul struggled with his temptations as do all believers. Whenever you are tempted my advice is to immediately pray about it then quote a quick scripture from memory. Philippians 4:13 is a great one. Also there's 1 Corinthians 10:13 and multiple verses in James 1. When Jesus was tested by Satan in the wilderness he just kept quoting scripture in response. We should do the same. Hope this helps!

@@andrewdillard5961 Thank you for replying. So I am still Saved even though I am struggling with some Sins that I honestly don’t know how to quit? The enemy keeps tormenting me and telling me I am not Saved because of my Sins. Are there any Scriptures to prove I am Saved because of my faith in Jesus despite my sins? Thank you for All your Help and Time God Bless you

@@monicadhaliwal1791 You're welcome. John 3:16 and Ephesians 2:8-9 make it clear it is by faith alone that we are saved, not works. And we know turning from sin is considered works from Jonah 3:10

God manifested in the flesh according to Isaiah 9:6. It’s a prophecy. Read that. God manifested in the flesh to take away the sins of the world. Every single person that has ever lived God provided the forgiveness of sins but everyone is not saved. Eternal life is to know the one true God but in order to know him, one must be resurrected from the dead. By faith in christ jesus, one receives the forgiveness of sins which is the inheritance in Christ Jesus but also the Holy spirit. Adam and eve when they sinned in the garden they lost the Holy spirit which brought sin and death into the world. The solution to that problem is the Gospel, the Gospel, the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus.

​@@monicadhaliwal1791 ​ Yes, you receive the gift of Salvation by grace through faith alone. The word of God is very clear on this. However, there are consequences for our sins after being saved. One who commits sins after being saved will lose rewards in present life and in heaven. Also, Hebrews 12:6-7 NKJV states For whom the LORD loves He chastens, And scourges every son whom He receives.” If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten. The scripture is abundantly clearly that once you are saved you cannot lose your salvation.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. No works for salvation! Works comes after salvation, and you only have good works because of the Holy Ghost. If the Holy Ghost in not in a person they will never have good works.

You skipped the verse that mentions the reason that all who end up in the lake of fire are there : "Rev. 20:15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire." The only cause is unbelief (John 3:18) which underscores the Reason one's name isn't in the Book of Life (Rev. 20:15) .  P.O. Box 1308, Denton, TX 76202 The Final Judgment October 7, 2016 by GES Webmaster in Blog - Bob Wilkin, Final Judgment, Propitiation, Sin, Universal Atonement  by Zane Hodges In John’s well-known description of the Final Judgment in Revelation 20:11-14, we do not even find a reference to sins, much less a reference to unforgiven sins. Instead, we are told, “the dead were judged acording to theirworks, by the things which were written in the books” (Rev 20:12; italics added). To be sure, the works of unsaved people contain innumerable sins, but it is still significant that sin per se is not referred to, as we will point out in a moment. Yet even though unsaved people are judged on the basis of their works,they are not condemned to hell on that basis! On the contrary we read, “Anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire” (Rev 20:15; italics added). People go to hell, therefore, because they do not have life! This is precisely what we might have concluded from the theme statement of the Fourth Gospel: “but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name” (John 20:31; italics added). It is also evident in John 5:24 where our Lord states that the believer “shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life” (italics added). We conclude, therefore, that the possession oflife is the critical issue between God and man in terms of eternal judgment. There is no Final Judgment to determine one’s eternal destiny if he already possesses life. But sin is not the critical issue. Why not? John’s own writings tell us why. According to John, Jesus is “the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world” (John 1:29); and “He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world” (1 John 2:2). The hymn writer was correct when he said that “Jesus paid it all”! So marvelously complete and full is the sacrificial death of Christ for our sins that God’s justice is satisfied by that sacrifice and no man is condemned to hell on the grounds of his sins. But by the same token, the cross of Christ does not automatically regenerate men and women. They still need to obtainlife and this is available to them on one basis only: faith in Christ. But then, one might ask, why do men’s works come up at all? The reason must surely be that at the Final Judgment mankind will get a full and fair hearing. Since multitudes have supposed that they can reach heaven by their works, these works will be examined on that day. But as Scripture already informs us, no man can be saved by his works (Eph 2:8-9; Titus 3:5; Rom 3:20). The outcome of the final examination of the works of the lost is a foregone conclusion. Any claim to God’s salvation that is based on the deeds a person has done will be swept away by the contents of the books that are opened at the judgment. Man’s one last hope will rest in the Book of Life, which will be duly consulted even though those being judged do not have their names written there. But the absence of their names from its pages is the basis on which the lost are cast into the lake of fire. Thus one can see that the issue at the Final Judgment is not man’s sin, since Christ has atoned for that in its entirety. Instead, the issue is whether someone can make it into the kingdom of God on the basis of the works they did on earth, apart from the miracle of new birth that comes by faith alone. 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That's for sure and the former for very good reason .

Paul was writing to believers, already saved and have a place in the Kingdom. He was telling them to live for the Lord and do their works for the Lord and that by doing so they would receive the reward of inheritance in the Kingdom. In other words privileges in the Kingdom. Next verse says those who do wrong will receive wrong for what they have done, which means they will receive nothing for those wrongs. Unbelievers won’t even be in the Kingdom to receive or not receive.

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I’ve spent a TON of time reviewing the content that the GES provides and I certainly wouldn’t say they’ve suppressed any truths. They have materials of some type of just about every passage in the bible and I’ve found that they are consistently tackling tough questions, and expertly dismantling objections to the free grace theology.

@@karent743 So Karen, you're saying "the reward of the inheritance" = "the reward of rewards"? Does that make sense?

@@GESvids Thank you.

Define "true" . Define "false" . Give an example of what is "true" with respect to the Origin of the Universe . Why is there "something" , rather than literally Nothing . I'll wait .

@@timgrady4630 What an adorable strawman fallacy. /pats your head.

@@NealBrewer That's not an answer. Objectively . Epistemological Agnosticism reduces to just such incoherence .

@@timgrady4630 /Snorts with laughter. You advanced no question that was worthy of respect, nor even worthy of the barest consideration. Please try again once you are willing to engage in an intellectually honest manner.

I'll only pray for you .

Your lies are obvious.

@@timgrady4630 you wouldnt think the father of lies would make them so obvious just because you cant see it or dont understand doesnt mean its a lie 1 corinthians 1: 18-31 2 corinthians 4: 3-4

@@dickgregory1218 Your verifiable doctrine contradicts the book of John . Therefore , your doctrine is from the father of lies . Any little child can easily understand and believe that His doubtless Guarantee of Everlasting Life alone is the one sip of the Water of Life that forever quenches the thirst for eternity: John 4:10-14 . You deny the water to the thirsty . You are evil .