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Bayonetta's Original Voice Actress Calls on Fans to Boycott Bayonetta 3 

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Bayonetta 3 was trending this past weekend, but not for reasons Nintendo and Platinum would like.
The original voice of Bayonetta, Hellena Taylor posted videos detailing why she didn’t return and called on fans to boycott it entirely.
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@rakurai4953
@rakurai4953 Год назад
This is one of those videos that desperately needs a follow up really quickly after all the information that's come out.
@NuiYabuko
@NuiYabuko Год назад
Exactly that. Even hardly any of the comments seem to be after the BG article and her consequent tweets.
@EdwardPHandsBasedManchild
@EdwardPHandsBasedManchild Год назад
I've said this in other places, will say it here too. I need more information and context before I can cast judgement. This feels too sudden for me, plus I don't like the fact she threw shade at the replacement VA. There are a few things that seems a bit off to me. I do hope she's actually telling the truth. UPDATE: This comment aged like fine wine... Holy Shit...
@JimC1984
@JimC1984 Год назад
Exactly
@JimC1984
@JimC1984 Год назад
Im also getting tired of every stream voicing this as law. Theres nothing we know but accusations yet
@EdwardPHandsBasedManchild
@EdwardPHandsBasedManchild Год назад
@@JimC1984 Exactly. Plus the way she called for a boycott of the game was shady. Essentially manipulating people into doing so, and I DON'T like that. It should be up to the individual to decide for themselves, NOT what the crowd says.
@michelcosta76
@michelcosta76 Год назад
My first google on the actress says her projected net work is 400000, the double of the average UK citizen. Something on this story smell fishy and I want more info before casting judgement.
@vege4920
@vege4920 Год назад
@@EdwardPHandsBasedManchild she was also trying to manipulate people a bit by saying things like: "If you have any compassion", "If you care about the outside world at all". That was a too hard sell for me, and felt sus.
@ruinparadox4812
@ruinparadox4812 Год назад
I'm not too sure how it works, but apparently voice actors get roughly a few hundred dollars per session depending on how they're paid. Hellena Taylor was offered a flat rate, and if I'm understanding correctly, that means she would only be getting $4,000 no matter how much or how little work she would do. This would also mean she wouldn't get anymore money even after the game started selling. I'm not sure if that applies to any royalties but needless to say that offer feels a little off, if not outright disrespectful. Keep in mind, she got this offer, *AFTER*, she directly contacted Hideki Kamiya, and that either Sega or Nintendo are the ones providing funding. Either Kamiya is being a jerk, or Nintendo and/or Sega have pulled funding which makes it difficult for PG to properly pay her. On top of this, we only have one side of the story and we should wait for more details before jumping to conclusions.
@kamronlynch
@kamronlynch Год назад
I agree but it's just unfair for Helena to have $4'000 from the creativity of what hideki kamiya public opinion on it.
@TheSfrfilms
@TheSfrfilms Год назад
I honestly think both sides are playing petty ball here, from taylor herself using alot of emotionally manipulative language and hideki kamiya being a dick so I don't think that any side is really in a good position, so heres to hoping that a third party gets involved and reveals more about it.
@TrixyTrixter
@TrixyTrixter Год назад
@@TheSfrfilms Kamiya is being perfectly normal. Hes constantly blocking people on twitter. Its part of his rules. Trying to speak to him in anything other than Japanese will get you blocked instantly.
@enjoi0555
@enjoi0555 Год назад
4K for a weeks worth of 4-8 hour recording sessions sounds like a good gig to me. Obviously VA’s should be paid more and especially get residuals from sales or a bigger percentage of bigger games but like this isn’t exclusively a platinum games problem. There’s a VA who voiced the Deku Tree and 2 other characters in Breath of the Wild and was paid $2,000 flat. And that game sold how many millions of copies? Idk it sucks but the boycott is dumb and even if this game was 100% boycotted by everyone and it flopped it wouldn’t magically make all studios increase VA’s pay 10,000%.
@richardduska1558
@richardduska1558 Год назад
Do you think that VA's get royalties? The game has several language options (8-9 If I heared correctly) do you think that all of those VA's would get royalties for their work instead of a flat amount? Also. The amount of work she would have done is 2-4 days only. Which is not a lot of work for 4K.
@arancione8336
@arancione8336 Год назад
What seems most likely to me is that they gave Taylor a lowball offer that they knew she wouldn’t accept so that they could get someone else like Jennifer instead. If that’s the case, I feel like their initial statement about Taylor’s absence makes some sense, as they wouldn’t want to indicate that they didn’t intend to work with Taylor outright. Like you said though, without solid evidence I don’t think we can make an accurate conclusion. At the same time, I don’t believe this negative press will make a significant dent in the sales, as Twitter “boycotts” rarely seem to translate to significant sales decreases.
@AkameGaKillfan777
@AkameGaKillfan777 Год назад
On the contrary, it MASSIVELY boosted pre-orders on Amazon. The game is going to be a big hit.
@Masckerdoom
@Masckerdoom Год назад
She didn't lose her voice or anything. There is absolutely no way in hell they planned to replace the original voice of bayonetta for any reason. Based on what I can see, what's most likely is that she was in some capacity difficult to work with and that's what led here
@richardduska1558
@richardduska1558 Год назад
Actualy her 4K offer is industry standard one. Infact it is slightly above it because 996$ or something for 1 day of recording and she would need to do 4 day.(which is 4 day with 4 hour sessions.) judging by the previous titles which took roughly the same amount of time. Or 400$/ hour for an A list VA. Ether way. it's 2 -4 days of work for 4K. . And let us not forget that she didn't do any VA work since 2014. So she is hardly in a position to demand hollywood salery.
@BossAlbatross
@BossAlbatross Год назад
“Lowball” 😂despite the fact she going to be paid way higher than the standard..
@Masckerdoom
@Masckerdoom Год назад
Welp based on available evidence, I was right. She was allegedly going to be paid over twenty thousand to work on the game, but wanted six figures. Very likely that Jennifer was the cheaper option in this case.
@moramill
@moramill Год назад
This might be controversial, but I'd like to wait for the full story (something doesn't feel right about it). I remember drama with Mick Gordon and his soundtrack for Doom Eternal and how it ended. Still keeping my preorder and hope it will get resolved.
@aultra-magawhostandsagains7974
Do I really care if she plays the character or not no! People and established characters have been replaced and have done better. Look at RE2MAKE for example. I’m gonna wait for this game as Ragnarok and Crisis Core are more interesting to me. Still love Bayonetta though.
@darkdoctor1915
@darkdoctor1915 Год назад
What happened
@jackallen6601
@jackallen6601 Год назад
She apparently is getting 4k per recording session
@Nay089
@Nay089 Год назад
Sad situation all around, regardless. I hope someone offers her a job, she’s very talented
@put4558350
@put4558350 Год назад
If you is a boss. If you know that she trash her last workplace when she gets fired. will you offer her job in your workplace ? 😅
@AstralMuffin105
@AstralMuffin105 Год назад
She broke an NDA to post those videos, so it's unlikely that anyone will ever want to hire her again in the industry.
@Yoshixandir
@Yoshixandir Год назад
She hasn’t really done anything in 8 years. No seriously from 2014 that’s her last credit
@skyyswaggstudios2934
@skyyswaggstudios2934 Год назад
@@Yoshixandir yeah, plus like the other person mentioned she broke nda for this. So she hasnt worked in voice acting in 8 years ON TOP of breaking nda
@richardduska1558
@richardduska1558 Год назад
NOPE! She didn't get any VA work for 8 years. (just check IMDB.). That + breaking NDA would make her black listed.
@Da_80s_Ruled
@Da_80s_Ruled Год назад
Hellena is just toxic! Buy this awesome game! Don't let the developers hard work go to waste!
@necropig
@necropig Год назад
Well news just dropped and she is lying lol
@porkyminch5131
@porkyminch5131 Год назад
Its all about that algorithm...
@porkyminch5131
@porkyminch5131 Год назад
Fuc$#ng b€÷×@h and I dont think I can trust ChiGuy anymore, how he jumped on the news without checking sources
@JellyJiggler7
@JellyJiggler7 Год назад
I did some digging and it sounds like voice actors typically make less than 4000 for voice acting in a single game. Hellena taylor is also not exactly a well known or highly demanded voice actor so from what I can tell 4000 was not necessarily a bad deal. Granted I think bayo 3 does have more voice work than your typical game but from what I can tell 4000 may of actually been a good deal...I'd love to hear someone who is actually familiar with voice acting in games comment on this
@garbotoxins840
@garbotoxins840 Год назад
For the lead of a series that rakes in hundreds of millions of dollars, it's two months rent as she said. It's true that it isn't an abnormal sum for voice acting, which is precisely the point, voice actors are having their talents squeezed with barely anything in return. The jujutsu kaisen 0 movie made 30 million dollars in the united states, but the english stars got paid 300 dollars each. The issue is NOT that Hellena Taylor is not being paid her worth, it's that almost no voice actor is being paid their worth.
@youtuberobbedmeofmyname
@youtuberobbedmeofmyname Год назад
@@garbotoxins840 2 months rent for my 2b 2bath is $6k...
@UltraBall23
@UltraBall23 Год назад
She was offered union rate based on her recording time for the previous game (16hours of work). Her rate was the equivalent of $1000 per day (4 hours)
@cius2112
@cius2112 Год назад
@@garbotoxins840 Except the series DOESN'T rake in hundreds of millions of dollars. you sound like you just heard of the series a couple days ago.
@TrixyTrixter
@TrixyTrixter Год назад
​@@garbotoxins840 "hundreds of millions of dollars" The games sold really poorly compared to essentially everything Nintendo puts out, even the switch version only going over the 1 million sales after 3 years. This is not a money making franshise, the first game barely did ok. the second was a flop because it was on the Wii-u and was still a poor sale on the switch. In total the games sold less than 4 milion copies. At 60 each even if we upped it to say just straight 4 milion thats just 240 Milion, and thats before we let nintendo and sega take their cut.
@CRAgamer
@CRAgamer Год назад
I think she made a bad call. I get that things have been rough but she still had that role in her resume. She could have pursued more work and demanded more with the Bayonetta name under her belt. However now not only has she probably ruined all of her chances of working in the industry again. She's potentially ruined her life by breaking an nda for a boycott that isn't going to work. I think she should have weighed things more thoroughly, despite it all if she hadn't done this I think she could have pulled through and persevered with her career. Now....I'm kinda scared for her honestly.
@VictoryReviews
@VictoryReviews Год назад
They should've payed her a fair wage. Bayonetta sells millions and has become a gaming icon partly because of her talents. It's not unreasonable tbh
@AkameGaKillfan777
@AkameGaKillfan777 Год назад
@@VictoryReviews 1) Bayonetta is not as big of a success as people arbitrarily make it out to be 2) I'd say getting paid $4,000 for less than a weeks worth of work is pretty nice
@vanilla8956
@vanilla8956 Год назад
@@AkameGaKillfan777 she said Bayonetta 2 was only 16 hours of work in an interview
@thetruestar6348
@thetruestar6348 Год назад
I pirate most switch games so I’ll just continue to do that
@Yannis280
@Yannis280 Год назад
💀
@EdwardPHandsBasedManchild
@EdwardPHandsBasedManchild Год назад
Lol. Based and redpilled.
@jjbarajas5341
@jjbarajas5341 Год назад
Buy Metroid Dread
@enjoi0555
@enjoi0555 Год назад
I’m buying the game. The boycott is pretty dumb. Hundreds of people have slaved away at this game for 5+ years. Day 1 baby
@johnnysalazar5399
@johnnysalazar5399 Год назад
Nobody Is going to boycott something they've been waiting for 8 years to get, I figure if you knew the terms of the contract you are signing, it is necessary you except what you agreed to, she should have known what she signed into
@SuiteLifeofDioBrando
@SuiteLifeofDioBrando Год назад
Every industry has people with pay gaps for doing the same job as someone else.
@ChiGuyGaming
@ChiGuyGaming Год назад
Yeah, that's what makes this hard to talk about in terms of what the number should be as I discuss in the video. I do believe the game is big enough and her contribution to the series up to this point should certainly earn her more than the average rate, though.
@StarForceBelmont321
@StarForceBelmont321 Год назад
@@ChiGuyGaming some guy in your comments by the name of D is guilt tripping and insulting you and your entire comment section by saying anyone who buys the game anyway is a horrible person. You might need to take action he's very very rude to many in this comment section and INSULTED YOU
@Masckerdoom
@Masckerdoom Год назад
@@StarForceBelmont321 No one cares , bro is trying to boycott a youtube commenter lmao
@StarForceBelmont321
@StarForceBelmont321 Год назад
@@Masckerdoom yeah I get that it's damn stupid but Virtue Signaling is a horrible thing.
@Masckerdoom
@Masckerdoom Год назад
@@StarForceBelmont321 Yes it is, but Free Speech.
@visualspark6308
@visualspark6308 Год назад
Sales have actually been improving since the controversy. It's moving up the ranks of Amazon’s bestsellers list and the special edition and even the basic edition on some websites are sold out.
@rica4th
@rica4th Год назад
Why would you rely your whole livelihood to survive on a single gig and blame that single company for all your misfortune? If you think that your talent is really in demand, you would not make this low ball offer as a big deal as you can get many gigs because your talent is really high value as you claim it to be
@davidlawson6238
@davidlawson6238 Год назад
Not only will I not boycott buying the game I'm going get three copies
@omegafire6253
@omegafire6253 Год назад
Just keep your collectors edition like I am. Sales already blew up regardless. It's her fault not making a steady living and doing voice work as a bonus if she can't make it for gigs after gigs. She even called her BS when she needed that big check to make a living to hold off from the next eight years I suppose.
@toututu2993
@toututu2993 Год назад
Boycott over one person's bad experience? Is that considereddignty?
@isakwolff5491
@isakwolff5491 Год назад
The sales of Bayonetta 3 have boosted since her videos, and they have risen in pre-ordered. So her call for boycott has, unfortunately backfired
@haruhisuzumiya6650
@haruhisuzumiya6650 Год назад
What was the end goal
@soccerthepkmnmaster
@soccerthepkmnmaster Год назад
​@@haruhisuzumiya6650 Honestly not sure? Maybe she expected Nintendo and Platinum to bow to their knee and offer her 450 million dollars to record Bayonetta?
@AkameGaKillfan777
@AkameGaKillfan777 Год назад
*fortunately backfired
@yxxnkxm
@yxxnkxm Год назад
i didnt expect much from youtubers like reviewtechusa or dreamcastguy, but chiguy.. man i thought youre smarter than this
@thelastdragon5551
@thelastdragon5551 Год назад
Did DCG really deleted that video?
@yxxnkxm
@yxxnkxm Год назад
@@thelastdragon5551 classic DCG
@thelastdragon5551
@thelastdragon5551 Год назад
@@yxxnkxm Can’t say I keep up with the guy but I’ve seen a few videos from him. He seems emotionally fragile in this situation with the trolls. Though I can sympathize, it was also cringy af.
@Nomad0036
@Nomad0036 Год назад
Bayonetta games are NOT dialog heavy games. The dialog happens mostly in cut scenes. With how few lines she would actually say, that $4,000 is about 2 weeks worth of recording. And other voice actors say that $4k is reasonable. She wants money for every game released, that is on her.
@VictoryReviews
@VictoryReviews Год назад
Yes they are 🤣
@soccerthepkmnmaster
@soccerthepkmnmaster Год назад
Bayonetta 1 and 2 both actually only took 1 week to record. 4 days with 4 hours each.
@soulblazerz
@soulblazerz Год назад
She turned down a union approved contract. You realize of course, that all that work is one day in the studio? Then she crapped on the new voice. I’ll take two copies.
@rasul01
@rasul01 Год назад
Are you seriously saying that voicing the main character in a game take merely one day?
@_CNT_
@_CNT_ Год назад
@@rasul01 maybe a bit more, but it shouldn't take more than a week at most
@rasul01
@rasul01 Год назад
@@_CNT_ You really went from literally one day to a whole-ass week just like that. Not very genuine of you.
@UltraBall23
@UltraBall23 Год назад
@@rasul01 16-20hours. Realistically 2 full work days since voice actors only work 4 hours a day.
@zencyn4682
@zencyn4682 Год назад
@@UltraBall23 which she herself admitted to in an interview about her time working on the first 2 games. Literally bragging about how easy the job was
@assanchop1574
@assanchop1574 Год назад
Nah, man... Everybody keeps overinflating Bayonetta's popularity, and Helena overestimated her value. Bayonetta had to be bailed out by Nintendo TO EVEN EXIST past part one. Helena hasn't done voiceover work in 8 years. When the trailer for 3 dropped, nobody I know noticed she had a different voice. She was offered $250/hr for 16 hours, which is higher than the Union-mandated minimum . Luckily this backfired for her in the most hilarious way. She's been exposed as petty and vindictive, and thanks to her ludicrous call on fans to boycott, Bayo 3 is now poised to outsell 1 and 2... Can't wait to get Jennifer Hale to sign my Bayonetta Funko Pop and tag Ms. Taylor in the insta post.
@austin5259
@austin5259 Год назад
Apparently the average word count for most games lies somewhere between 5,000 to 10,000 words, and that's across all characters and other text and apparently the average rate ranges from roughly $2 per word for a high end professional to $0.50 per word as a less seasoned talent, and around $210 per hour if you're a part of the Screen Actor's Guild which if you divide 4k by you get about 19 hours which I believe she has said in the past that all of her sessions totaled around 16-20 hours for Bayo 2 so 4,000 seems to be a fair rate for this sort of thing. The thing that strikes me as odd is that she's demanding a boycott over a single role, from what I can see she hasn't worked in much outside of Bayonetta in the last few years so it makes me wonder why she hasn't acted in more I mean just look at Kyle McCarley (voice of 9S and Gatekeeper) he's fucking everywhere, by my understanding that's how most voice talents stay afloat they take many roles and with the background she touts and the work we've all heard her do I see no reason that she shouldn't be in way more stuff, makes me think it might be some other factor playing into this that neither side has stated.
@Ernireg3
@Ernireg3 Год назад
She feels entitled to the character and thinks she has ownership over the Bayonetta IP, which she does not. She thought that Platinum Games was going to be her only source of income or something.
@TrixyTrixter
@TrixyTrixter Год назад
completely correct on the 16 hour thing. As soon as I saw someone else point to the interview video I clipped the part where she says it. Here you go. ru-vid.comUgkxXM9l3kHkORcsEXRU1V42HakjsNMKV-dj
@skyyswaggstudios2934
@skyyswaggstudios2934 Год назад
Yeah, I agree, she hasnt worked in voice acting in the past EIGHT YEARS, so it very much feels like an ego thing to me
@saurodinus9812
@saurodinus9812 Год назад
Taylor really using a Kamikaze tactic here to get some money because if this boycott works there really won't be any more Bayonetta for her or anyone else to voice over, an even if it does, I doubt PG or Nintendo will want to work with her ever again. That said, for the players I think it's a bit silly to boycott PG when there are bigger companies out there doing worse things and ppl really considering to screw a real game instead of the predatory excuses for virtual casinos out there ran by abusers
@TAEYYO
@TAEYYO Год назад
_And what, did they think this was worth? What did they offer to pay me? The final offer was a measly $200 to $250 per hour! What an insult!_ _Who do they think I am?! I turned them down of course--I have standards! Any educated, well-trained professional, would be insulted._ _At that rate, I'd have to find a similar job every month just to get by!_
@Amon_Gus799
@Amon_Gus799 Год назад
I think it’s a very likely possibility that they lowballed Taylor cause they wanted Hale to voice Bayonetta instead cause it’s a likely chance money isn’t the issue but maybe you’re right and something did happen between Taylor and Platinum which caused them to do this what I personally think happened is that now that they have a good budget they wanted to splurge for hale and instead of being upfront with Taylor they played coi and lowballed her but this is all speculation all we can really take away is platinum lowballed Taylor she asked for more and they lowballed her again which is a pretty bad look for platinum but I don’t think is enough for a boycott maybe when more info comes out that’ll change but for now I feel for Taylor but can’t get behind a boycott
@-Down-D-Stairs-
@-Down-D-Stairs- Год назад
Still buying day one; calling for the boycott of a game for just one person is cringe af
@vanilla8956
@vanilla8956 Год назад
I’m watching everyone freak out and try to doom a struggling studio and franchise over one woman not getting a raise she wanted, even after she never gets a single other gig over decades
@gamercow4297
@gamercow4297 Год назад
Right! She bank on bayonetta 3 making her ton money then getting more jobs
@Masckerdoom
@Masckerdoom Год назад
Sure, but I'll never take the side of a large corporation in a situation where a worker has the opportunity to speak. You'd have to be a retard to do that. No one's trying to doom an obviously successful game, they are just speaking up.
@triggerfairy4070
@triggerfairy4070 Год назад
@@gamercow4297 should have tried more job in the last 8 years.
@MonBerry
@MonBerry Год назад
We never bought the game for the voice to begin with 😂😂😂. I couldnt care less if she was voiced by a guy.
@joeshearman2341
@joeshearman2341 Год назад
Not only super unprofessional calling for a boycott, but her comments about "hale will never really be bayonetta" were super toxic and directed a huge hate mob toward the new VA. She's the voice now, why shouldn't she sign merch etc as bayonetta? If there is a bayo4 or a new smash she's in, it will be Hale. She IS Bayonetta now. There's more to this story that hasn't come out yet I'm sure. I've seen people suggest she was "soft fired" because their union contracts are ironclad, the lowball offer is so they reject the role and then can recast. That's ofc morally questionable too, but why did they want her gone? Twitter mob so quick to jump the gun here without any of the facts, and just a video by one disgruntled VA.
@hoppergrass9425
@hoppergrass9425 Год назад
I feel no sympathy for her she was offered a job that she turned down and is now bitching she was payed above union pay. Voice acting is essentially is a side hustle recording sessions can be quick cause they just sit in front of a mic doing a voice, its something done out of passion. Apparently bayonetta 1/2 she worked 16hrs making 250/hr (she said that in an interview btw), So sorry platinum gave her an offer she turned it down and is wanting us to boycott it a week before launch conveniently enough and we are supposed to feel bad? Ya sorry but nah they didn’t fuck her over she’s just mad.
@TrixyTrixter
@TrixyTrixter Год назад
ru-vid.comUgkxXM9l3kHkORcsEXRU1V42HakjsNMKV-dj Leaving a link to the interview here in case anyone questions that.
@wifi961
@wifi961 Год назад
Right?😂
@hoppergrass9425
@hoppergrass9425 Год назад
@@TrixyTrixter thanks bro
@StarForceBelmont321
@StarForceBelmont321 Год назад
I'm going to prioritize many employees over a single person so I'm still buying
@neonmajora8454
@neonmajora8454 Год назад
Harvest Spirit Right? lol
@Dal_9000
@Dal_9000 Год назад
Have fun perpetuating abusive cycles and justifying it to yourself by claiming to support employees that won't see a dime of that money. :)
@StarForceBelmont321
@StarForceBelmont321 Год назад
@@Dal_9000 Well I'm sorry for how she was treated dude, I really am. But in the long run this might hurt her more along the line. We still don't have PG statement. Don't try to guilt trip someone without both sides of the story
@ghostwalkergames7707
@ghostwalkergames7707 Год назад
Gonna make a funny joke here, but its kinda like the trolly problem isn't it?
@StarForceBelmont321
@StarForceBelmont321 Год назад
@@ghostwalkergames7707 BREAKING NEWS Helena Taylor the original voice of Bayonetta was LYING she was offered over 15000 dollars and she was sour over Jennifer Hale taking her place. She's a dirty liar!!
@francoperalta5986
@francoperalta5986 Год назад
I hope you do a video on how Bayonetta 3 sales spiked after such a controversy, Jennifer Hale commenting on the whole situation, and a previous interview of Taylor commenting on how much time she spend recording for Bayonetta's 1 and 2. As well as Taylor not really doing anything since 2014 and much prior.
@justianfox64
@justianfox64 Год назад
Honestly, I always go back to that classic example of the original voice actor for Frank west in the Dead Rising games where the 4th Dead Rising game, they just got him out for some reason, and a lot of people were not happy with it.
@LastSider
@LastSider Год назад
I am playing Lands of Lore at the moment. From what I could re-collect, Patrick Stewart was paid almost $3k for a couple of hours of work in 1993. She was offered $4k for the whole Bayonnetta 3 game in 2022... yeah, that seems to be in bad faith. Hopefully she can bounce from this.
@zencyn4682
@zencyn4682 Год назад
Hmmm... big name actor of stage and screen, beloved by millions. Small name actress who hadn't done voice work in almost a decade and no one even noticed she was replaced until she caused this stink. I don't see the equivalence.
@TrixyTrixter
@TrixyTrixter Год назад
you do realice that those are not comparable. And also, "the whole" is more than likely just 16 hours of work.
@Masckerdoom
@Masckerdoom Год назад
@@TrixyTrixter How much are people offered for film voice roles, which is far easier work
@LastSider
@LastSider Год назад
@@zencyn4682 Its Bayonetta dood. That one game? Remember? And the sequel... and in smash bros? Gotta look up all the merch and cameos too.
@AkameGaKillfan777
@AkameGaKillfan777 Год назад
@@zencyn4682 Gotta love how the only comparisons Hellena stans are capable of making include people who have taken multiple roles for years and have earned their fame and success.
@Fonz128
@Fonz128 Год назад
She’s not entitled to voice Bayonetta. Invented the character my ass. She’s not special. Same with Charles Martinet, David Hayter all of them. I’m buying Bayonetta 3. Game looks fun. Boycotts are stupid.
@hardondong3550
@hardondong3550 Год назад
What does Charles Martinet have to do with it?
@Fonz128
@Fonz128 Год назад
@@hardondong3550 I said all of them.
@TheAlphaOmegaX3
@TheAlphaOmegaX3 Год назад
Very interesting. If it's a established franchise, in my opinion, the pay should start at $10k and move up from there. Possibly a contract where you start with $4k and get a percentage bonus depending on sales. For a strong running IP, everyone deserves to be paid fairly no matter the position. We all know how much the guys on top are getting. Spread the success, boost morale, reward hard work.
@Mingodough
@Mingodough Год назад
Somehow that’s pretty high. Apparently voices for botw were paid $3000 for someone who did 3 voices for 3 different characters
@TheAlphaOmegaX3
@TheAlphaOmegaX3 Год назад
@@Mingodough Yikes lol. I believe it. Still feel seasoned voice acting should be paid well. Now if the same person did botw2, it's time for a pay increase lol.
@Masckerdoom
@Masckerdoom Год назад
@@Mingodough The english voice actors? Because they aren't nearly as talented or experienced as Taylor
@VictoryReviews
@VictoryReviews Год назад
@@Mingodough yea voice actors get paid crumbs, they deserve a better wage tbh
@NuiYabuko
@NuiYabuko Год назад
@@Mingodough Which would probably amount to one day of recordings, because let's not act like BotW had that much voiced dialogue. The characters in question were also Revali, Teba and the Deku Tree.
@SilverSpireZ
@SilverSpireZ Год назад
I want to be on her side here. I really do. Especially as a long-time fan of the series for nearly a decade now who's been waiting on a third game since it was first announced in 2017. But there's so much that doesn't line up in these videos, and that I cannot agree with. 1. Considering the first game was considered not financially successfully and needed Nintendo's help in order to even get a sequel (which only sold 1 million copies only once the Switch version released three years later), I have a VERY hard time believing this franchise has made $450 million *without* merchandise. Not even close. It would half to be $150 million AT MOST. 2. If they really turned down Taylor to have a lower cost, why go with a name as big as Jennifer Hale? Wouldn't she cost them more? That suggests to me there's more than financials that are involved here. 3. The way she talked about Jennifer Hale just grinds my gears. As iconic as Hellena's voice is, she did *not* create the character. There were so many other people involved in the design and portrayal of this character. So throwing a fellow voice actor under the bus and saying "she has no right to say she is the voice of Bayonetta" and "has no right to sign merchandise as Bayonetta" is absolutely unacceptable. Hale is Bayonetta now, whether she likes it or not. I know she says before that she has no hard feelings towards Hale, but those statements contradict each other, don't you think? She clearly didn't know what was going on. 4. So, Mrs. Taylor... you realize there's hundreds of people who've been pouring their heart and soul into this game for the past half decade, right? Are you saying that I should set aside their job security and funds to boycott a game that I've been waiting for since 2017, just because you declined a financial offer? That doesn't seem fair to me. 5. If she really has no hard feelings towards anyone involved, why call for a boycott? Why not just state your story, leave it at that, and let the internet decide where to go from there? And why release this *two weeks* before release? Especially if she's breaking NDA regardless. There has to be more to this than she's letting on. I know this is asking too much of the internet, especially for Twitter, but PLEASE wait for the full story before making any decisions here. I could be wrong on all these fronts, but even if everything that she's saying here is 100% correct, I'm still buying this game, and I have no regrets. And there's no reason to criticize that, just like I have no reason to criticize anyone who is boycotting this game. EDIT: Also, the games sales have actually gone *up* since these videos went out. So much for that boycott… EDIT 2: oh boy, it’s looking REALLY bad for Taylor right now…
@Dal_9000
@Dal_9000 Год назад
There's answers to all of these questions if you care to look into them a little more. Ask anyone familiar with the industry and they'll tell you they side with Hellena, but people will find any justification for bad business practices if it means they can enjoy the latest games guilt free.
@StarForceBelmont321
@StarForceBelmont321 Год назад
@@Dal_9000 I am all for supporting a good cause but she broke am NDA and could get in serious trouble. Stop trying to guilt trip people in these comments. In waiting until the entire story is out. Stop trying to white knight yourself by calling people out in these comments. Talk about pretentious
@triggerfairy4070
@triggerfairy4070 Год назад
@@Dal_9000 she shouldnt have put all her eggs in one basket.
@AkameGaKillfan777
@AkameGaKillfan777 Год назад
@@Dal_9000 So why don't you provide us with these answers then, Mr. I care more about one person throwing a fit on Twitter than hundreds of devs that have worked for years?
@lilsoonerfaninmo
@lilsoonerfaninmo Год назад
There's stuff about Helena's several videos that set off red flags in my mind First being the fact she gunned straight for how successful Bayonetta was, her VA experience (which is like high C/low B tier) and how much she was pocketing. Mind you, her union let's her work at will, so it's not like she has any kinda obligation to take that job for that pay, and can negotiate for higher or outright leave, which she seemingly did leave Second, the fact she waited for so long to make it known, despite the NDA, and the game is a week and a half away, I find it very hard to believe that this just so happened to be the exact moment she could speak on it. If she truly cared, she would've said something several months ago, back when the game first got it's first proper trailer, and even showed screenshots or some kinda evidence to back her up (doubly so since she's claimed to 'not be afraid' of the NDA) And finally, the fact she made a passive aggressive jab at Jennifer for taking over. She didn't name her outright, but definitely had some beef with her, saying she has no right to be called Bayonetta, and sign merchandise, when Helena just left the role wide open. I'm sorry, you can't bitch about someone getting the job you actively turned down Not saying PG was in the right, especially with how Hideki reacted, but I can't see this as anything else than just salty that she didn't get what she thought she deserved, and is looking to talk some shit for vengeance. Like you said, we don't have a lot, so it's hard to say, but it's really hard to not see it like that
@man3033sa1
@man3033sa1 Год назад
Now I am even more excited for bayonetta 3.
@jasonmacqueen1017
@jasonmacqueen1017 Год назад
She sounds like a single mom who found out her baby daddy is making good money and is now taking him to court to get "her cut".... she is petty
@TheMarkh78
@TheMarkh78 Год назад
I can't find anywhere where Platinum said "scheduling" as the reason for replacing her. Only thing I can find is them saying "due to “various overlapping circumstances” " which could be anything including pay dispute. Can anybody find the source where Plat said scheduling conflict?
@AWMonopolyMan
@AWMonopolyMan Год назад
They probably never said that, add to the fact some of her other statements are pretty fishy as is (like the franchise being worth 450 million dollars or that $4,000 being an “insulting” offer despite her being a part of the same union as Hale was and thus would be union standard if not a bit more, she’s basically being utterly petty)
@cax1175
@cax1175 Год назад
I'll be buying the Trinity edition regardless. Taylor's beliefs blow as well.
@seangorman3959
@seangorman3959 Год назад
They clearly didn't want her.
@ghostwalkergames7707
@ghostwalkergames7707 Год назад
Indeed.
@Masckerdoom
@Masckerdoom Год назад
I agree, but it was something behind the scenes. Nothing to do with her voice itself.
@wifi961
@wifi961 Год назад
I honestly wouldn’t want her either.
@ghostwalkergames7707
@ghostwalkergames7707 Год назад
Honestly the best take on this situation I've seen.
@sprint7412
@sprint7412 Год назад
I don't know enough about voice acting and I have questions I would like answered before judging anyone. For one how much time would it take her to finish this game? How much was she paid in previous games? What is a normal pay for the lead role in a game?
@AkameGaKillfan777
@AkameGaKillfan777 Год назад
Apparently she only has to practice for a couple of weeks at best, given that the series doesn't have voice acting outside of cutscenes. It's not Fire Emblem Echoes or 3 Houses, or even 3 Hopes where they don't have voices for characters at base camp. Also she's barely done anything outside of Bayonetta, which isn't as much of a massive hit as she claims. Even Charles Martinet has roles besides Mario because even one role with longevity won't set you for life. Edit: yeah, it was only 16 hours, and she expects to be paid VASTLY more than the actual game devs who have spent YEARS on developing these games.
@wifi961
@wifi961 Год назад
She did 4 4hour sessions for each of the past two games. There is an interview about it or look up Griffin Gaming, he’s got a video on it.
@VictoryReviews
@VictoryReviews Год назад
All voice actors deserve some royalties for their roles same goes for writers and developers
@AkameGaKillfan777
@AkameGaKillfan777 Год назад
Then maybe she should work for more than a few hours, unlike devs who spend YEARS on making games
@NGScoob
@NGScoob Год назад
@@AkameGaKillfan777 You missed the point.
@AkameGaKillfan777
@AkameGaKillfan777 Год назад
@@NGScoob No I didn't
@natejoe9924
@natejoe9924 Год назад
Beans and toast 😂🤣😂🤣
@vege4920
@vege4920 Год назад
If we bought products from companies that never have done anything wrong, we could bog buy anything. The minerals in my computer have probably been mined with labor that has been treated immorally and most products I own I imagine have done horrible stories somewhere in the making or selling it. So not drawing the line here. I am not going to miss a game like this to feel good about myself for a bit.
@haruhisuzumiya6650
@haruhisuzumiya6650 Год назад
No ethical Conscription under capitalism, but we should try to make it as ethical and equitable as possible
@emeralddj5590
@emeralddj5590 Год назад
I love Bayonetta and I was fine with Jenn, in fact, she can voice bayo very well but like a top-quality younger peppy bayo but I grew up with Helena I love the games .shes is the mature soul of Bayonetta, Hideki and platinum crew made the body, muscle, nerves, and skeleton and very well but they're trying to make a soul that they never made. I wish it was a baton pass I really do im not boycotting but im not buying the game either at least not till i hear the truth and resolution
@TrixyTrixter
@TrixyTrixter Год назад
no no, they made the soul as well. Hellen did not write the script, she only read what they wanted her to. She breathed life into the character is what you mean i think. And im sure Jenn will breath just as much life into the character now that shes taking over.
@akiradkcn
@akiradkcn Год назад
"plase boycott" lmao good luck with that, also, doesn't this puts her in bad waters, legaly speaking? Thought I assume thesame could be said about Platinum
@Masckerdoom
@Masckerdoom Год назад
She practically made the character, as an artist, as far as I'm concerned she's fully entitled to speak out against billionaire companies and I'll buy the game second hand or rob walmart
@akiradkcn
@akiradkcn Год назад
@@Masckerdoom I'm just saying its one person against one big rich entity Also, I don't think this justifies yo7 straight up stealing physical shit of any kind from a market, are you really serious ahout that or is just a joke? You could just refuse to give them money and call it a day instead of... you know, doing a crime
@Masckerdoom
@Masckerdoom Год назад
@@akiradkcn I pull up on some gang shit.
@akiradkcn
@akiradkcn Год назад
@@Masckerdoom what?
@akiradkcn
@akiradkcn Год назад
@@Masckerdoom so you just wanted a excuse to rob a shop, you dont actually care about what is happening here, you just wanna be a egotistical and greedy mugger even of this means to cause financial damage to a third-party and gang up on innocent people Nice to know... nice to know...
@KingM-127
@KingM-127 Год назад
If this is a game you want why cancel? This stuff happens everyday everywhere. She chose not to take the job... If I went to a company ask for a job and they won't give me the pay I want should I go home and ask people to boycott them? They gonna find some else and keep it moving. People who cancel there order or not gonna get the game a game you've been waiting for, for 5 years over this is the definition of sheep. I gotta better idea. I am under paid and over worked i am gonna quit and ask people to boycotte because I quit donate to my charity.
@AkameGaKillfan777
@AkameGaKillfan777 Год назад
@@KingM-127 Scam Bot
@nybajan
@nybajan Год назад
Awful lot of assumptions being made in these commentaries by Chiguy and other commentators. If the truth isn't what it seems I'd hope there would be a part two or retraction.
@NuiYabuko
@NuiYabuko Год назад
Almost two weeks and nothing.
@justianfox64
@justianfox64 Год назад
This whole situation puts me in such a bind. Because on the one hand, I totally get where she's coming from, and if anything of what she said is true, it's totally disgusting that platinum games did this to her. But on the other hand, I really really want to play this game, but I probably won't be able to now out of principle and it really sucks because I love this kind of game and I love the games platinum makes.
@Crafty_boy70
@Crafty_boy70 Год назад
If you want to get the game, then I would just get it, boycotting will do more harm than good, more than likely it will just kill the franchise.
@UltraBall23
@UltraBall23 Год назад
She was offered the equivalent of $250 per hour, declined, and moved on. Nothing to feel bad about
@Crafty_boy70
@Crafty_boy70 Год назад
@@UltraBall23 well what if she was paid more for the first 2 games, then her anger would be more understandable.
@UltraBall23
@UltraBall23 Год назад
@@Crafty_boy70 correct, that’s why she needs to give context to her number, but she probably won’t. The only thing we have is that it took her 4 days to record the previous games. A decade ago, Union rate was probably around 780 a day so she may have gotten a bit over $3000 for the previous games.
@Crafty_boy70
@Crafty_boy70 Год назад
@@UltraBall23 Yeah the lack of context is what has me a bit suspicious
@chaoticcranium
@chaoticcranium Год назад
Yes, Platinum's being greedy here, but I will not boycott over this alone. It's not fair to the hundreds of other people who clearly worked very hard on this game. The trailers alone already show this game is going to be a huge labor of love, one that's been belated for so long (remember it was ANNOUNCED in 2017) to be refined to near perfection. This IS a niche series, and I want to make sure it does well financially so we can get more high quality action spectacle action games like it. Expertly crafted single player experiences without predatory BS in them. These things are becoming a bit of a dying breed lately. Yes, it seems Platinum made a disrespectfully low offer for the role, but the VA was not forced to work under those conditions. She turned it down, as is her right. I do think companies should value their talent more, especially outside Japan. And even if Hale does a phenomenal job, the product will be lesser without Taylor's voice. But that's just one role of hundreds that go into a game. It's not enough to kill my desire to play this game and financially endorse other games like it.
@TrixyTrixter
@TrixyTrixter Год назад
they arent even being greedy. The offer was well within the union rates.
@haruhisuzumiya6650
@haruhisuzumiya6650 Год назад
Settle this in court not twitter 🤣
@wifi961
@wifi961 Год назад
Bro, she would be getting paid like $250 an hour lol. She just voiced 4 4hour sessions that she easily voiced.
@onigoroshi442
@onigoroshi442 Год назад
According to the Bloomberg article, she was getting an offer to play the main role for $15k. $3k-$4k per half day session so that’ll be like $750-$1k per hour. But the VA wanted to get 6 figures with residuals instead and the studio moved on to find a replacement. They apparently came back to her to offer her a cameo role with less lines for $4k flat rate for the session but she was probably hoping to see them beg her to come back with better offers.
@Yoshixandir
@Yoshixandir Год назад
Unless she shows some proof, I’m not believing her. Sorry but something feels off. The timeing, the fact she doesn’t specify hours or negotiations, the fact they got bigger actors in this project who are all staying, and she hasn’t really done anything in years like her last role is in 2014. Also consider that bayonetta as a series isn’t that big it’s a niche and not to mention she herself has said in the past games she finished her lines in 4 days
@jo.sevigny
@jo.sevigny Год назад
Sean Chiplock said on Twitter he got $3k from Nintendo for his work on Breath of the Wild (he voiced Revali, Teba and the Great Deku Tree). He may not be as known as Hellena, but Zelda is Nintendo's biggest IP. This seems also very low, so I have no problem believing Taylor got offered $4k for a lesser known third party IP
@wifi961
@wifi961 Год назад
Breath of the wild doesn’t even have that much voice acting.
@AkameGaKillfan777
@AkameGaKillfan777 Год назад
The Prologue of Fire Emblem 3 Houses alone has more voicing than all of those put together
@AWMonopolyMan
@AWMonopolyMan Год назад
Besides, the exact words were “various overlapping circumstances” so unless YOU or anyone else can prove that explicitly meant “scheduling conflicts” as you and others claim, your full of it
@NuiYabuko
@NuiYabuko Год назад
Does anyone have a source for that? Because so many repeat it like it's true, but can anyone provide the actual source? Even if they did say that, what were they supposed to say anyway? "She wanted a buttload of money, so we went with someone else"?
@bub777
@bub777 Год назад
I feel like this story has potential to reveal itself in the same way Terrence Howard got replaced with Don Cheadle. We're given an idea, but we likely won't see further elaboration until some years for now.
@CineSalvaje
@CineSalvaje Год назад
This is very similar to what is happening with VFX workers in the movies. The same inequality that affects everything in the world is affecting video games. A few earn a lot, but most of us are just workers who do it for coins...
@AkameGaKillfan777
@AkameGaKillfan777 Год назад
Uh, no it is not, at all.
@LogicUnfolded
@LogicUnfolded Год назад
I'm getting 2 now. To counter one person who legit boycotts (and to have an unopened collectors edition; I'll open the regular copy I have now preordered) because I can't stand the sorts of people who pull this crap tbh. There are countless artists, voice actors, programmers, animators etc etc who poured hours upon hours into the project for years. Why should one voice actor call for, essentially if it was a successful boycott; the end of bayonetta assuming sales were poor and they never did another entry to the series. It is disproportionate. Also everyone is just a hypocrite if they still haven't boycotted countless studio's at this point. Ubisoft, activision blizzard, probs loads I'm forgetting. But all the sexual misconduct stuff in particular I'm referencing. Theres so many moving parts and people involved in making games, who abide by the NDAs, theres likely loads of grievances we never hear about... regarding people feeling taken for granted, mistreated etc. And finally we don't know the full story, all the facts etc. We are going off very little. If you legit going to boycott with all of this in mind, I doubt you were ever that much of a fan of the IP to begin with., or you are just virtue signalling and never intended to buy it in the first place. People don't like being told to boycott something. People don't like being told what they should and shouldn't buy with their own money. This is already backfiring because people like me exist who will buy an extra copy to basically say @$@% you, I won't do what you tell me... or buy one copy of the game when they otherwise wouldn't have. Human psychology. A huge amount of the population now hates anything resembling cancel culture. A boycott of the game is trying to cancel the game, really.
@DannyBenS94
@DannyBenS94 Год назад
I wasn't planning on getting this game anyway, I'm not a big Bayonetta fan, but I want to see where this story goes before I do decide to get it if I change my mind. Really though if her story is true, then yeah, that's a really crappy thing to do to someone, let alone a well-known voice actress. That's almost like underpaying Tom Kenny when asking him to voice SpongeBob again.
@zencyn4682
@zencyn4682 Год назад
Just gonna throw out some info. There's an interview with her where she says she only had to do voice work for about 16 hours over 3-4 days and that it was an easy job. This was about the previous bayonetta games.
@TrixyTrixter
@TrixyTrixter Год назад
@@zencyn4682 ru-vid.comUgkxXM9l3kHkORcsEXRU1V42HakjsNMKV-dj Here is the clip! since you mentioned it!
@AkameGaKillfan777
@AkameGaKillfan777 Год назад
Not really, because Tom Kenny has multiple roles and worked hard consistently to get where he is today.
@HaroldTheWizardCat
@HaroldTheWizardCat Год назад
I figured for games of this size they would offer a person either residuals for each game sale or a full years worth of wages like $60k-$100k to play the role. Not a mere $4,000
@onigoroshi442
@onigoroshi442 Год назад
$4k flat rate was most likely the offer for a cameo role after the studio gave up to hire her as the main role after she demanded 6 figure pay with residuals. According to the Bloomberg article, the studio was offering to pay her $3k-$4k per half day session which was going to add up to $15k minimum for the role of Bayonetta (as they need to run 4-5 sessions). Union rate for VO work is said to be $950 minimum per session with bonuses so she wasn’t getting lowballed.
@NuiYabuko
@NuiYabuko Год назад
Why would they give someone a full year's wage for a week of recording?
@HaroldTheWizardCat
@HaroldTheWizardCat Год назад
@@NuiYabuko did you know they pay voices actors for Disney movies a full years wages? Do you think that took a whole year to record?
@dannybright8708
@dannybright8708 Год назад
Is it just me or does Kamiya kinda write like Chris Chan
@kamronlynch
@kamronlynch Год назад
Let's be fair, I'm not a big fan of bayonetta but I do heard at some people defend that game cause of criticism and stuff like that.
@haruhisuzumiya6650
@haruhisuzumiya6650 Год назад
I'm not getting involved in this twitter spat plus the Jen Hale Bayonetta version is growing on me
@Killbill1933
@Killbill1933 Год назад
Now i will buy 10 copys of Bayonetta 3!!!
@SnipeMD
@SnipeMD Год назад
I mentioned this before, but for everyone saying that Hellena shouldn't have said what she did about Jennifer Hale portraying Bayonetta, you have to keep in mind that opportunity in the voice acting industry is not given out equally and some actors throughout their careers are only known for portraying one or two iconic and well loved characters and become very possessive of them. It's the same reason why you can count the number of times on one hand that actors like Anthony Daniels and David Hayter HAVEN'T portrayed C-3P0 and Snake in media, respectively. Some actors aren't blessed to receive offers for roles every day like Jennifer is, and these actors put their everything into the few characters they get the opportunity to portray. Jennifer has portrayed hundreds of characters over the years, and for every Samus Aran, Femshep and Ashe she has played there have been far more characters she's voiced only for the paycheck and phoned in her performances. If Jennifer was offered the same amount that Hellena was offered to portray Bayonetta, Hellena knows that nobody with any dignity would accept that amount and knows Jennifer is portraying Bayonetta, the character she made iconic, only for the modest paycheck and without the love and passion she had for the character. If Jennifer was payed significantly more than Hellena was (which is most likely the case), then the issue lies with Platinumgames and the corruption within the company. Long and short of things, Hellena feels like Jennifer as a fellow voice actress who has long strove for voice actor salary equality should be on her side on this issue and feels that Jennifer taking the role of Bayonetta is her "stealing" the character that she made iconic for a quick buck. Was what she said a bit harsh? Probably, but I understand how she feels about things and wish her the best regardless.
@1685Violin
@1685Violin Год назад
1) Taylor most likely broke an NDA. 2 She turned down the role because she thought the pay was too low. Therefore, Hale is not "stealing" her character role.
@ghostwalkergames7707
@ghostwalkergames7707 Год назад
@@1685Violin but if they lowballed her on purpose because they wanted a different actress...
@TrixyTrixter
@TrixyTrixter Год назад
​@@ghostwalkergames7707 They gave her an offer well within her unions accepted pay rates.
@ghostwalkergames7707
@ghostwalkergames7707 Год назад
@@TrixyTrixter property gave Hale more.
@1685Violin
@1685Violin Год назад
@@ghostwalkergames7707 Then that's a scummy move on Platinum's part. We, however, don't have any evidence for or against her other than her video. We need more evidence on whether or not what Taylor said is true.
@jediknightgeo
@jediknightgeo Год назад
I'm not boycotting SH!T. I'm sorry if she feels that the pay offer was low but there's no way in hell I'm not picking up Bayonetta 3. Jennifer Hale is a phenomenal voice actress and I've no doubt she'll do just as good a job. Hell she may be even better.
@chenholmes6393
@chenholmes6393 Год назад
4k for 16 hours of work, I can only imagine
@herrzeiens3503
@herrzeiens3503 Год назад
Lets be real she said she worked for 4 days 4 hours a day for Bayonetta 2. It seems in 3 she would have Done less Voice Work. 4000 is a lot for that work Time. She dont have a lot of voice acting experience either,she only worked 24 Gigs the most are Bayonetta and dont Important Characters. How come the more known Voice Actress that is in the same union a her takes the 4000 Dollars?
@TrixyTrixter
@TrixyTrixter Год назад
Its somewhat likely she might have got a slightly higher rate. tho not much higher maybe up to 5.5k If they really felt she would be the best replacement.
@herrzeiens3503
@herrzeiens3503 Год назад
@@TrixyTrixter could be. But tbh I dont think they give a shit. If they wanted someone famous or more known they would have taken someone else from the Start, and with the Start I mean bayonetta 1. I mein the OG Bayonette Voice Actress had like 7 Gigs before Bayonetta, and most of Thema were background Characters. They wanted a Female Voice, not more not less. Yeah now they were in a bit of a pinch, they needed someone who sounds like the old bayonetta,because here Voice is not known. I have a feeling that the OG Voice Actress said arrogantly something like :" I AM Bayonetta You cant replace me, I am Iconic, you should Pay me 15K." This is just the Vibe I get. I mean I Cant think of a Reason Why Platinium wouldnt give her 5K if she had nicely asked
@dyerseve3001
@dyerseve3001 Год назад
Who says the new VA is getting paid just $4k?
@pkpyro2000
@pkpyro2000 Год назад
I gots an Idea. Pay Hellena big time for Bayonetta 3 then release her voice for free as a dlc option in the game.
@trashboat5388
@trashboat5388 Год назад
Game doubles in sales. Big W.
@jjbarajas5341
@jjbarajas5341 Год назад
This is really too bad.. but boycotting? I don't think that's something I'll be doing. Maybe the release but I'll still be buying it. I want to see Bayonetta as a whole do well..
@granityseis104
@granityseis104 Год назад
No
@t.fernbach602
@t.fernbach602 Год назад
Summa summarum: nobody is going to boycott this game lol I can already see exceptional numbers
@ShanGamer1981
@ShanGamer1981 Год назад
Never had a desire to play bayonetta
@haruhisuzumiya6650
@haruhisuzumiya6650 Год назад
You should, I myself should play Bayonetta to completion
@triggerfairy4070
@triggerfairy4070 Год назад
Main Iconic role, more like her only role.
@BruddaSkully
@BruddaSkully Год назад
Donate 60$ to charity instead of buying bayoneta umm I think I’ll rather buy a quarter of weed thank you
@TheDragonfang134
@TheDragonfang134 Год назад
If you feel as though the company you're working for is not paying you a fair amount, then you should NOT take it to social media and instead, LAWYER UP!!! I'm so sick and tired of these "I was wronged by the company so I'm asking my followers" types of videos. What you're doing isn't putting these companies in their place. It's justifying their actions. In fact, any other companies that see this outcome are going to be less likely to hire you. So either lawyer up or shut up!
@adamstorfer415
@adamstorfer415 Год назад
She needs to get over herself. She isn't Bayonetta. It's the programmers who deserve all of the credit. She had what had to have been the easiest job in the whole project.
@nicrules77
@nicrules77 Год назад
nintendo payed a higher price to a new voice actor while shes been there for years. she got disrespected cmon dude.
@AkameGaKillfan777
@AkameGaKillfan777 Год назад
@@nicrules77 And so is Jennifer Hale with the undeserved insults fired at her, cmon dude
@Neucher
@Neucher Год назад
So let me get this straight: Instead of taking this 4k paycheck she risks living on the street instead and getting into legal trouble ? 🤡
@presto6893
@presto6893 Год назад
Not everything is about the money bruh. She felt wronged and is doing something about it. Whether it's smart or not idk but I can respect that
@junglezone7323
@junglezone7323 Год назад
^ me personally I would've waited some time after the game came out to mention the pay roll, but I definitely understand her speaking out now
@Neucher
@Neucher Год назад
@@presto6893 She literally said it's about the money
@presto6893
@presto6893 Год назад
@@Neucherokay then let me rephrase. "She felt that amount of money was too low for the amount of work she'd have to do. Instead of taking it she decided to speak out about it" Is that better?
@vege4920
@vege4920 Год назад
@@presto6893 If it is not about the money (the 4000 dollar offer). What is it about?
@ceikaiyiacheeksthedirector2920
I just want to know what price she really wanted to do the role
@AkameGaKillfan777
@AkameGaKillfan777 Год назад
$100,000 up front + residuals based off of game sales, all for doing 16 hours of work
@MrResetti2712
@MrResetti2712 Год назад
Even if there is more to this story I can't help but feel Platinum has handled it really badly. Say Taylor is a bitch to work with and they didn't want her back, why even make her the lowball offer? It of course wasn't going to go down well (that's the point after all) and just reflects badly on the studio. If they just wanted a new actor they could easily have told Taylor this is a new incarnation of Bayonetta and they need a new voice. That wouldn't have been dishonest and they could, as many were hoping for, give Taylor a small cameo as og milf bayonetta. That would have kept everyone sweet and wouldn't break the bank. I'm annoyed with the execs at platinum (and to a smaller extent nintendo) for not fighting to keep Taylor on board and avoid this whole mess shame this has soured the conversation around the game so close to release. Either way I doubt this is going to hurt sales, all publicity is good publicity.
@TonyKanameKuran
@TonyKanameKuran Год назад
Three letters… NDA!
@seangorman3959
@seangorman3959 Год назад
@@StarForceBelmont321 no one cares
@StarForceBelmont321
@StarForceBelmont321 Год назад
@@seangorman3959 no he's doing it on everyone
@NuiYabuko
@NuiYabuko Год назад
With what came out basically right after this comment is actually quite ironic.
@MrResetti2712
@MrResetti2712 Год назад
@@NuiYabuko Haha yeah it aged poorly very quickly
@aintthatapotofeffluck8926
@aintthatapotofeffluck8926 Год назад
You got it backwards. This game will sell even more due to this. Lmao. Watch. People really don’t care. It’s all useless twitter anger. This is the real world.
@AkameGaKillfan777
@AkameGaKillfan777 Год назад
You got that right
@antoniorolle1518
@antoniorolle1518 Год назад
She is mad because she wants money that she ain't worth she just mad they when with something else now I must boycotting this game who is she no one know so what about everyone else so they should not get nothing because you got shit on come on but how much money you think she supposed to get for 16 hour come on people I'm still get this game I've been waiting long enough
@darkdoctor1915
@darkdoctor1915 Год назад
Bayonutters
@haruhisuzumiya6650
@haruhisuzumiya6650 Год назад
Bayonutters🤣
@joro8693
@joro8693 Год назад
It seems extreme to be upset that she’s being clearly phased out for someone who is nowhere near as different to warrant it and is easily being paid way more? This would be maddening at any job and the nda is so immoral that you can’t even bring up mistreatment is just disgusting. I see voice actors being treated like celebrities at EA and yet we have people acting like 4K is ever warranted in any job for a main role. There is no good context as to why this is okay. Appreciate you bringing it up and bringing up that they lied in the first place saying it was scheduling issues, that’s already the smoking gun for me. Gamers nowadays have ruined the industry so much that they have normalized buying games that are unfinished as the norm. Get out of here expecting anyone to boycott like they have any discipline besides complaining online for five minutes and forgetting. Voting with your wallet is the only thing that matters, will ever matter, and gamers have made it clear that they will take anything that the industry throws out.
@vege4920
@vege4920 Год назад
I want to support a good game with my wallet with a different voice actor rather than the next Ubisoft open world game with 30% of the content behind a pay wall, with an instant season pass and/or loot boxes. We get so many shitty games with shitty consumer practices. So I want to support a game with actual creativity and that takes some risks, while being of high quality. I could boycott the next Zelda but not Bayo 3.
@joro8693
@joro8693 Год назад
@@vege4920 we don’t know it’s a good game yet thats a lot of trust, didn’t platinum just release a terrible game? Sure go on ahead, I’m not a fan and already gave up on the industry outside of the indie side. I’m just surprised she thought anyone would bother boycotting considering gamers put up with way worse. She should just sue the company this has to do with one guys department not the whole company and it felt very foolish to think consumers would care when companies have workers going through mental breakdowns and blacklisting on the regular.
@JesseDMejia
@JesseDMejia Год назад
It's pirate time
@NuiYabuko
@NuiYabuko Год назад
"Great" way to use that to justify your piracy. Now that the facts are out you'll definitely pay for your copy, right?
@mr.twannab
@mr.twannab Год назад
Ngl, I’m still gonna get it
@BossAlbatross
@BossAlbatross Год назад
Boycott the game? So how about the other people who worked on the game that’s going to get affected.. stop this virtue signal bs
@adriannissen
@adriannissen Год назад
Don't make her beg.
@onigoroshi442
@onigoroshi442 Год назад
The Bloomberg article had reported that she was offered $15k to play the main role that would took her less than a week to complete (her previous work took 16 hours to complete). She asked for 6 figures plus residuals. She negotiated herself out the role and lost the main role to someone else. The studio still came back to her with a cameo role (flat $4k pay for the session) and apparently that offer was also turned down by her.
@adriannissen
@adriannissen Год назад
@@onigoroshi442 Is that all you've got?
@onigoroshi442
@onigoroshi442 Год назад
@@adriannissenhuh?
@adriannissen
@adriannissen Год назад
@@onigoroshi442 If you need to learn how to talk to a lady, ask your mum.
@onigoroshi442
@onigoroshi442 Год назад
@@adriannissen sorry lady have a nice life
@HaroldTheWizardCat
@HaroldTheWizardCat Год назад
I was interested in getting into the series m, but after knowing this information it’s definitely difficult
@AkameGaKillfan777
@AkameGaKillfan777 Год назад
Get it. If this is weak enough to deter you from buying a product, then you'll probably never buy a single thing from gaming again
@RMarr-uy9hf
@RMarr-uy9hf Год назад
This is so sad. This is bravery facing despair that we witnessed. (I'm still buying the game but at this point I'm far from proud about it)
@AkameGaKillfan777
@AkameGaKillfan777 Год назад
Worse happens in the industry every day
@banone6384
@banone6384 Год назад
I’m not refusing to buy this game because of some call to arms to right the wrongs of the world. I’m not going to give $60 to charity. I just wouldn’t want to play a Bayonetta game that doesn’t have Hellena Taylor as Bayonetta. However, the fact they low key fired her and lied about it, isn’t doing them any favors to change my mind.
@emiel333
@emiel333 Год назад
$4000 is decent for voice acting a game like this. She’s cocky and it’s ridiculous that she tell us to boycot Bayonetta 3. I understand that the lady in question is in a difficult situation at the moment. To be honest, it looks like her mental health is at a low point right now. That is quite sad. I know what it is to have depression and anxiety. I hope she gets well soon. ❤
@the_abandoned_monastery7218
$4,000 is garbage for such a high profile game
@TrixyTrixter
@TrixyTrixter Год назад
@@the_abandoned_monastery7218 4000 for 16 hours of work is about 250$ an hour. Its perfectly good pay, especialy for Hellen when shes got nothing else to write home about on her voice credits. She thought herself a big A list VA when in reality shes not. Bayonetta didn't need Hellen, it was Hellen that needed Bayonetta.
@the_abandoned_monastery7218
@@TrixyTrixter you have to ask how often do these voice actors land roles for consistent work? I doubt as much as once a month. You can’t support yourself on that. These companies make a killing on the sales of these games. If she’s the main VA, she needs to get at least $10k for it.
@wifi961
@wifi961 Год назад
@@the_abandoned_monastery7218 Then that’s a side hustle not a job.
@the_abandoned_monastery7218
@@wifi961 voice acting is specialized work. Don’t give me this side hustle crap. It’s not the same as say delivering pizzas.
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