Bell Fibe 3 Gigabit Internet Review (Part 2) 

"before bell releases another service" also them: "releases 8gb"

@@jacobscudds So where I say that in the video, look above the modem 😂 Also, fun fact, there's a rumor that there's a service between 3 & 8 gig coming, so this just made me feel even worse about my schedule 🤦🏾‍♂

@@TechMixri'm hoping that is a 5 Gbps service and they then drop the 3 Gbps service to 2.5 Gbps. My OCD would bother me if I had the 3 Gbps service but only had a router that sync's at 2.5 Gbps and I had 500 Mbps on the line I couldn't use.

Hi, I also have Bell 3.0. Do you have issue with Network Latency problem when you using Advance DMZ? I currently did what you did, using Advance DMZ on my Firewall, and when I ping any DNS, out of every 8 or 10 times, I got either very high ping time or no respond. I goggle search Bell DMZ and I saw lot of people complaining with the same issue. The only way is to put my firewall and connect it though PPPoE but then I lose the speed.

This means a lot ❤️🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾 I feel bad it took me 6 months - but comments like this make it worth it.

Thanks! 🙏🏾 I really wanted to convey everything I could. Hope to continue to do so in future videos.

Great to be back …. That sweater is the most comfortable thing ever. I get a lot of comments about it 😂👌🏾

Appreciate it, thank you! 🙏🏾

Thanks for the compliment! 🙏🏾

Hahahaha synchronicity at its finest 😂 So my advice, try the HomeHub first. Then my advice is to use this router with the latest firmware, if the HomeHub can’t do the work you need (follow the instructions in the middle) The issue I’ve been reading about with the UDM is that in some cases, it throttles. This ASUS has been solid and the mesh setup is unbelievably good. My advice anyway. Thanks for watching and being patient with me 🙏🏾😂 - my work life is insane so this took 6 months longer than it was supposed to. But I feel this video’s quality is a marked improvement over part 1.

Thank you! 🙏🏾❤️ Just need to post more of them 😂

Thank you so much for the compliment! 🙏🏾 What kind of troubleshooting are you doing?

@@TechMixr I can’t seem to get a really steady connection speed using the Gigahub on the same device and sitting next to it. I also have a tp-link archer ax6000 that has a 2.5 gbps port. However, I maximum get around 1.5-1.6 gbps and nowhere close to the 2.5 gbps. I know there are many variables that have an impact on connection and WiFi but just trying to get the best of what I have.

@@NassimNajm are you using PPPoE, or Advanced DMZ?

I tested DMZ. Still trying different things. I will let you know what ends up working best.

Yeah this video came out and then there was a firmware update to fix PPPoE in this router 😂 The reboot system worked for me, but now just using PPPoE has been solid. Some users of the gigahub are having issues but there apparently is a firmware update for it that resolves it. The only thing that’s consistent with technology is change 😂🤦🏾‍♂️

Been running the dual router setup via the switch for just over 2 years and LOVE IT! Thanks for the compliment on the video! Funny enough, my ISP (Bell) recently ended new sign ups for the 8 gigabit plan that I’m on. And after 5 months of not posting, I actually uploaded my thoughts on that video today. Here it is if you’re interested! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tn44zg0gL1c.htmlsi=aEHlNqgWF-YKi3Qe

I watched it! I hope you continue your videos! Thanks again!!

This comment right here 💪🏾 This is why I did this video. To help people who want to get the max out of a setup like this. Thanks for the compliment! 🙏🏾

@@TechMixr Unfortunately after some Testing and fiddling had to go back to PPOE, DMZ was causing me to lose connection and reconnect every few minutes, something with the Bell modem.

@@Thulite reboot the HomeHub when that happens. Same thing happened to me. I mention this in the video. It just locks up- but rebooting only the HomeHub fixes it.

@@TechMixr I did a few times, would be fine for a bit then would repeat so not entirely sure. I'll fiddle with it more over the weekend when I'm not working 😀

@@Thulite did you update the firmware for the AX89X? They fixed PPPoE apparently so you can get full speed now with it 😂🤦🏾‍♂️ This video just got deprecated quickly 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

So I’m going to try answer all of this, sorry for the late response: 1. It should, but a few things I’m not sure of. I’d go with a router that has acceleration for PPPoE (a lot of routers don’t, the AX89X does) and also, considering that Bell has promos on for these services above the 2.5 gigabit ports on this router, you could be leaving speed on the table. 2. No, well, you might be able to in some sense by spending a lot of money on extra hardware when you’re better off just buying the AX89X and maybe bypassing the gigahub altogether with a little bit of hardware. The Gigahub won’t function as its own router without the fibre plugged into it. 3. You can’t split the fibre signal. You have to authenticate to the fibre via PPPoE. And even if you could do that, you’d only be able to login into it once. That’s why we do it this way. Fibre isn’t able to be split like old coaxial connections did. 4. So it’s a little different. Fibre goes to the modem, modem goes to the first router. Which at that point, makes the first router in charge of the house’s internal network and firewall to the internet. Then the first router goes into the switch, which essentially acts as a switch that adds 10GbE ports. 1 goes to my workstation, 1 goes my 2nd router at 10GbE to be the backhaul as a mesh node (a hard wired mesh node) so maybe that’s what you meant, but the topology reads a little different than you described. Hope this makes sense, thanks for the compliment on the video! 🙏🏾

How did I miss this comment???! I wanted to mess w/ Jellyfin but I actually went with a Plex setup on my end. (I got a lifetime Plex Pass for an insanely good deal a few years back as a one-time purchase so I took it). Not to say I'm against Jellyfin as I see many raving about it - I haven't needed to change over (in fairness, I haven't read up on how much better it is than Plex, but I can imagine it's really really good). Maybe one day when I get a real server rack (and not the setup on the box like in this video) I may go down that road. Time will definitely tell there. I'd be very curious to see how well it works with Bell. In regards to hardware/software changes, the AX89X firmware addressed the PPPoE acceleration bug so I'm getting perfect speeds with using either PPPoE or Advanced DMZ (and for those reading this, DON'T USE BOTH - it's one or the other). Thank you so much for the compliment! 🙏🏾

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That’s amazing! The EdgeRouter is one of the few that can process PPPoE frames it seems like! It may be the better solution if the hardware supports it. But majority of people don’t have that luxury (myself included) 😂 Thanks for waiting, sorry for the long turnaround 🙏🏾

@@TechMixr Keep up the great content man 🙏🏾🙏🏾 👍👍

TechMixr is back …. On Yoooooooooooutuuuuuuube 😂🤦🏾‍♂️

It’s an interesting idea! Unfortunately the switch is a budget friendly unmanaged model. I opted to manage my internal network via the ASUS. But I think this is something I may test when I upgrade my internal infrastructure down the road!

😂😂🙏🏾 appreciate it!

The Bell equipment has a hidden channel for their wireless TV that you can’t disable. And in the many people I’ve helped bypass the modem entirely (it can be done, find B3ll on discord / watch the 8 gigabit review video I posted after this one)- the difference is literally night and day. The other reason this ASUS is preferred is because unlike Ubiquiti’s offerings, the ASUS multi threads PPPoE and gets full speed consistently (it has for 2 years) where I have friends on Ubiquiti can’t get over 2.3 gigabit on 3 gig service. I get full 8 gigabit with virtually no CPU usage on the router while friends are maxing out the CPU on Ubiquiti to get much lower than the rated speed). It’s because PPPoE on that equipment is single threaded / CPU bound while on the ASUS it’s offloaded elsewhere. I hope this gives you some insight. Thanks for the compliment! 🙏🏾

I feel like it’s super overkill to be honest unless you have 20+ devices all concurrently using the connection and pushing its limits. IMO, for most people, 500 is overkill and gigabit is great for larger households.

If they offered Shaw here, it’d be tempting. Sadly, my only options are: - wait for Bell to figure it out- which they might, they are rolling fibre on Distributel with separate ONT devices that just give you a straight IP, although its PPPoE for now - wait for Rogers fibre - but risk stability. We all see how their network is.

Makes you wonder if I should do a Bell 8 Gig video ......... I'll give you a hint, it's coming sooner than you think 😉

@@TechMixr crazy! I don’t even know if it’s available here in Montreal! I am actually from France and a few years ago in Paris some carriers started to provide 10Gbps

@@monseigner1439 it could be! Btw, a new video on this fibre topic just went up if you haven’t seen it yet …… 😊💪🏾

😂😂😂😂😂 - keep watching …..

Used to watch that show on YTV. I always daydreamed of being a contestant but it never happened 😂

@@mikewilde8801 .... I might have been on the show when I was 12 ... I also might have video evidence ... I also might throw it into a video at random ...... 😂

@@TechMixr Oh wow, so lucky! Hopefully they hooked you up with some sweet swag if you didn’t win. Would be hilarious to see that video. Have to assume it was recorded on VHS.

@@mikewilde8801 You know it! I actually posted it on my personal social accounts for friends and family and everyone had a great laugh, including myself 😂 I won’t spoil it, but I got some cool stuff 😎

Sounds more like the Homehub/Gigahub is crashing. It COULD be the fibre cable, but typically if it was damaged, it just wouldn't connect often or at all. I would reach out to Bell. Are you using a separate router, or just the HomeHub.Gigahub? Also, if you're only using a Gigahub, I've seen a LOT of issues reported about it. Maybe you can request to swap your Gigahub for a HomeHub 4000. The only thing you'd be losing it WiFi 6E (WiFi 6 is a great standard) and the Giga badge on the front. But the stability of the 4000 has been pretty good (not perfect, but definitely better than the reports I've read about the Gigahub)

@TechMixr Thanks a bunch for chiming in! At the moment, I am only using the Gigahub. I'll definitely aim for a 4000 if this brings more stability. To avoid any interruptions in the future, I'd be willing to get an external router if that helps, like the one you've showcased. What would you say? Thanks again for your input. All the best.

@@danyelvinci Well, I've been running the AX89X since 2021 and it's been fantastic, and even better with the firmware updates. Hint about the next video, avoid the ASUS AXE16000. Considering it's $200 more and I found the performance WORSE than my router it was disappointing when I tried it for a few weeks and couldn't get it to perform like my current router.

@@TechMixr Will put your insights to good use and give AX89X a try. Looking forward to that upcoming video!

So I actually had that same router! (I gave it to my parents as they're on Rogers when I upgraded to the AX89X) - it REALLY helped dead-zones at their place as the old router I had set up for them via bridge mode basically died a horrific death after a long time. If I remember correctly, that router doesn't have PPPoE acceleration. But, this is what I would do if I were you. - Get the AX89X (or even the newer axe11000 although I can't validate performance. I would have purchased it, but I don't have any clients that are Wi-Fi 6E and as I write this, I see it on Amazon for $838 which I can't justify for how little I'm going to notice the difference now). Anyway, get the AX89X, UPDATE THE FIRMWARE IMMEDIATELY and then, do a PPPoE connection from the HomeHub to the AX89X. I know the Gigahub had issues connecting via PPPoE but some reading on DSLReports is saying that a firmware update is out there that fixes this (this is a fairly new development). Hardwire the AX11000 to it and set it up as an AIMesh node. Your 'backhaul' will be a wired connection, but the beautiful thing is, all your hardwired devices to the AX11000 will work perfectly. AND you don't need to do another PPPoE instance from the AX11000 as the first router will handle that. (which also means, because if that router doesn't have PPPoE acceleration, it won't matter as that part of the connection will be handled by the AX89X which DOES have PPPoE acceleration). I know this video says not use PPPoE - but the reason I'm saying to use it is because right after I published this video - I noticed ASUS fixed the PPPoE acceleration issues in the latest firmware. Been running it since the day after I posted this video - and it's amazing. Advanced DMZ is as well, but your mileage may vary (as you saw in the video I'm sure). You'll gain all the performance from that router where you hit the dead spots (providing it's set up far enough away from the AX89X) plus management will all be handled by the AX89X. And I'll be completely honest, AIMesh is 100x better than I was expecting. I thought it would have weird issues switching Wi-Fi networks or speed / connection issues on the 2nd router, but it's been nothing but FLAWLESS from my experience. Hope this helps! Funny side story, if it made sense, for all the people who have been curious about this setup in their homes, I truly wish I could just come and do the setups for you - but that's not reasonable LOL. Thank you so much for the awesome compliment and very good question! ❤🙏🏾

Thank you for the quick reply! So to clear, 1) am I using all the devices in your video? 2) am I using any of the 2.5g or 10g ports and if so for what devices ? 3) any particular settings and parameters I need to be aware of in the gigahub and both asus routers? Sorry, im obviously completely clueless when it gets a little more advanced😬 I just want to make sure im setting everything up so that I can maximize all the benefits of these expensive devices otherwise It’s just pricey toys sitting on a rack! ( or box 📦 lol) sorry that was too easy lol Thank you again for all the time and effort you put in for everyone here! 🇨🇦

@@TechMixr This is basically (excluding my planned 2.5gbe switch and MoCA adapters) what I plan on doing. Sounds like it's going to work out, wicked wicked.

Thanks for the compliment! Evil me says sell your router and buy the ASUS 😂 I’d wait though, prices on them hopefully will drop later as supply chains improve.

@@TechMixr The evil me is also saying I should sell my current router and get the asus. However, despite current economic conditions, new technology just keeps coming out. Tp link has already released wifi 7 routers even though the wifi 7 standard is not fully complete yet and, as I said, I use wifi throughout my home and get very good speeds with my current setup. I did not even need the 3gig package but took it because I would be paying 5 bucks less. I guess that's technology for you...everytime you think you got the latest and greatest stuff, new stuff comes out and makes yours look old.

@@rahimpirbhai7109 the problems I have with upgrading - the cost - I’d want 2 of them because you know ….. SPEED 😂 - Wi-Fi 7 as you explained (I’d never jump on a new standard that’s not ratified yet- I’ve had friends with horror stories) - I don’t have a single Wi-Fi 6E device yet to even notice. One day I’ll make the move - but I should also save the money for a proper network rack and ditch the box I’m using for my home theatre rack 😂😂

Careful about the AX16000 - I saw on SNB forums that the CPU is not powerful enough to do 10G x 2. Might be an issue with acceleration being bugged though.

@@jordanholmesedtech it may be addressed in a firmware update. My older AX89X does it fine. And they JUST fixed PPPoE it looks like 🤦🏾‍♂️

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You should see the router’s MAC address. It probably won’t say the actual model in the DMZ menu of the HomeHub. On the ASUS router, find the MAC address (not sure about the specific UI for the AX92U but it may be on the first page - the 2 tabs on the top right of the network map page.

I did a video about Bell cancelling 8 gigabit. A friend of mine has the UDM Pro and has the same issue. We know why. It’s PPPoE. It’s explained in that video here: Bell Removes Its 8 Gigabit Offering & The CRTC Is Wild (My Honest Opinion) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tn44zg0gL1c.html Thanks for the compliment 🙏🏾

Here you go! ru-vid.com-RXGztRV-kQ?feature=share

Thank you 😂🙏🏾

Are you actually using a separate router or only the Homehub? I’m asking because if you’re interested in bypassing it, then the 3000 is the better option, if you’re using the Homehub to connect all your devices, the 4000/Gigahub is the better option from what I’ve seen. The 3000 doesn’t have a great processor in it for routing, but it has a removable SFP that you can throw in a managed switch. If that’s not something you’re doing, do the upgrade and use the 4000/Gigahub - it will be much better.

@@TechMixr Thank you much for clear reply! No, i am simply using HH3000 for all devices. I was afraid that GigaHub doesn't support at all 2.4Ghz devices. But apparently it is incorrect - it does support. Thank you again!

Happy to help! The Homehub 4000 / Gigahub has been pretty good for the most part. There are some things about it advanced networking people hate. I’d probably be fine with it, but I’m a guy who tinkers (if you can’t tell by the RU-vid channel) 😂

So a few things here: You won’t get close to 8 gigabit on wifi as it stands currently. The closest you may get is with Wifi 7 but the odds are, you and 99% of people don’t have access to that yet as it’s not mainstream at all as of yet. I’ve seen speeds beyond 1 gigabit and even up to 3 gigabit on wifi 7, but in reality, with most wifi 6 devices, you’ll cap around 850 megabit in optimal conditions. I can’t speak to wifi 6E, maybe someone here can chime in. That leads to cabling. To get the optimal speed / lowest latency, this really is the only way currently. If your motherboard has a 10 GbE port, you’ll have to run the wire to your modem. If you don’t have a 10 GbE port, you’d have to grab a 10 GbE PICE network card OR a Thunderbolt 3 adapter (if your PC has Thunderbolt 3) I’d advise against the Thunderbolt 3 option as the network adapters are priced really high and Thunderbolt 3 on Windows can sometimes be a headache. Hope this helps!

I’ll give you a hint 8 gig rolled in my area very very recently …………… haven’t changed a thing outside of doing the firmware update on the AX89X to make PPPoE acceleration work properly 👌🏾 Video coming soon ……

@@TechMixrhanks for the reply I appreciate it, looking forward to it 😲

Unfortunately you can’t. The SFP port can only sync at gigabit or 10 gigabit if you pull the SFP from the HomeHub 3000. It needs to sync at 2.5 GbE. And you can’t use a different SFP than Bell provides as it won’t authenticate.

Ok I'll try to answer these to the best of my abilities - and a lot of my information is based on talks with other Bell techs (I know 2 personally, 1 of which is my neighbor across the street, who actually did my install- and did a stellar job btw), also, I have an ongoing private conversation with the moderator on DSLReports who has been in contact w/ the modem team about some issues I had + I believe the modem team saw these videos, so if you're reading this... what up modem team! 😂 Ok, in all seriousness: 1) I speedtest like a fiend here to make sure things are right. I do this because having been on Rogers most of my adult life, I have PTSD about things going down. That being said, I went from 1.5 gbps service to 3 gbps service. Not a single change in ping at all. It fluctuates between 0ms - 2 ms via Ookla speedtest, and on XBox Series X, never over 35ms according to their speed test. There is no difference in connection between the 2 services. Also, to add on to this answer, and I need to stress this, the only thing higher tier connections are good for in terms of gaming, are updates. The actual gameplay will be the same across ALL fibre to the home packages. Ping and your internet package are not related. Period. It's when you do a 90 gig Call Of Duty update because modern game development is a joke... is when you see any difference between packages. But I've had the same experience at a friend's place who uses Fibe 50. Again, in-game makes no difference if you're on 3 gig or 50 megabit. 2). 1.5, 50 megabit, 3 gigabit, it will all be the same. To be honest, I'd rather use Advanced DMZ or PPPoE (if your router can handle PPPoE) on a separate router. There's no bridge mode, let me be clear - there is absolutely no bridge mode in any of the HomeHub routers. The reason I don't recommend using Bell's equipment for gaming is when it comes time to open ports for certain games (the ASUS router is amazing for this and makes it dead simple) & once you have a proper connection with a good external router, it's in a word, bliss. Honestly. The only time you'll ever have issues connecting to a game, is if you're in a party and someone in the party has a moderate NAT / a bad connection (like most technology, you're only as good as the weakest link) ... and the Wi-Fi question. I've tried the exact same server at the exact same time using a hard wired connection and having my wireless device very close to the router for optimal speed and ping. There's always around a 4-5 ms difference. As of writing this, Wi-Fi technology has never been as fast or as responsive as a hard wire. Period. Thank you for the questions. These were things I should have included in the video, but God only knows it would have taken an additional 6 months to get the video out at that rate LOL - hope it helps! Edit/ Addition: to add, the 3gbps lines are the same lines that 1.5 uses. When they switched my service there was no interruption. The difference isn’t in the pathway of the connection, the difference is, the areas that have 3 gigabit have a newer XGS-PON fibre cable running the service which is capable of more throughout. Hope that clears that up.

@@TechMixr That’s awesome! Really appreciate the detailed and quick reply! Ok so you can use your own router without having a bridge mode? I’ll watch a couple of your other videos. and maybe buy that Asus router you have. So the ideal basic setup for someone who is into competitive gaming would be HomeHub into a good router with Advanced DMZ with a hardwired connection into the Xbox? Also if running hardwire lines through my house to have hard wired boxed in different rooms is there a type of cable you recommend using to be future proofed for good specs or is CAT5 good for internal hardwire runs?

@@zachgreenwald So there's been an update to this guide in this video already when it comes to this router (technology always changes). I'd highly recommend this router, but just use PPPoE and make sure your firmware is updated to the latest one (that's crucial for PPPoE to work properly) Avoid CAT5. You can't do long runs with CAT5 and maintain good speed. CAT6 should be fine, but if you can get your hands on CAT8 (it's not much higher in terms of price) - get that. And remember, CAT7 is documented everywhere as not really being a true standard.

@@TechMixr awesome! You’re a life saver!! Really appreciate it man!

@@zachgreenwald No no, the pleasure was all mine. Thanks for watching & engaging! I hope to make more great videos and get more education / in depth comments from you and all the other people who have watched & subbed. Have a fantastic weekend!

Wish I could help 😬

Advanced DMZ is a pain for this ….. So first, try this. Don’t reboot the ASUS, just reboot the Homehub. The Homehub loves to freeze up if you change anything. It’s super annoying. Alternatively (don’t do the below and what I just wrote above together, it’s going to be one or the other) - This tip is from after the video was published, you can use PPPoE and not even bother with any advanced DMZ options - however, confirm that you’re on the latest firmware for the AX89X. Also, make sure NAT acceleration enabled and is set to NSS under switch control, then login via PPPoE via the ASUS under WAN -> internet connection Hope this helps, feel free to reply whether or not it worked and I’ll try to help, or congratulate you on getting it working 🙌🏾

Any luck?

Haven't had a chance to try this yet. Will get back to you once I do! Ty for the quick response though

I just realized that I referenced HH4000. I actually have the Giga hub. Does that make a difference?

@@themeedan It shouldn't ... but there are some stability issues with the Gigahub from what I've read. I'd see if you can get it swapped for a Homehub 4000. You would lose WiFi 6E as an option, but it's a lost point as you're probably just using WiFi off the AX89X anyway.

I don't have experience with that particular device. If you're on Bell, there is no real bridge mode. Only PPPoE & Advanced DMZ.

Thanks for the comment & compliment! You’re right, DAC cables would work well in this case, but I also figure that it doesn’t hurt to have some transceivers so I went this route. The Mikrotik equivalent was priced way higher when I researched this and purchased mine so I’m glad there’s an even cheaper option now! And to answer your question about backhaul, I’ve tried without the switch and with the switch and they both work fine! I have a 10GbE backhaul through the switch going to the 2nd router and I get full speed across the board 👌🏾 (Currently the 2nd router is in the 2nd SFP port of the QNAP and the 1st router is in the first SFP port and I get full speed to the 2nd router going through the switch)

@@TechMixr there's also the TP-Link TL-SX3008F, which has eight SFP+ ports for $333. I didn't end up buying it because reviews said that it had a noisy fan, but I talked to someone who bought one, and he said it was very quiet. That's really awesome about the 10GbE backhaul working through a switch, as it means that some day in the future I could get a second one and still have the primary one connected to a 10GbE switch.

@@dereksnider7148 yeah at the end of the day, the switch is just doing what the router tells it for the most part (as an extension of sorts) Would you believe that right now, as I’m typing this- I noticed that ASUS fixed acceleration issues for PPPoE and I just switched it back and it’s working? I’m a little annoyed because my rant about PPPoE in the video no longer applies to this router 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

@@TechMixr maybe they fixed it because of your video ;)

@@dereksnider7148 nah, I had reached out to them back in May about it- didn’t think it was getting fixed. Here we are lol Like we went back and forth about a few acceleration issues, and I even sent them videos and they responded asking me to try things. Also talked with the Bell modem team about it as well.

Are you trying to get this with Wi-Fi 6 or wired? Because Wi-Fi 6 isn’t capable of sending gigabit - you’ll be limited to an absolute max around 850ish megabit.

@@TechMixr ideally wireless but I guess if I can't then it will have to be wired. Not even with WiFi 6E? The issue is that the Deco XE-75 PRO only includes one 2.5 GB port, and two 1GIG ports, so at least one of the units will be capped at at 1 GIG even with a wired backhaul, unless there is a way around this by adding a switch perhaps?

In case anyone is looking into this setup here's what's working for me to get full speed to my clients: Gigahub 10Gbe RJ45 --> CAT6a --> Wiitek SFP+ adapter into 10Gbe SFP+ port on AX89X 10Gbe RJ45 port on AX89X --> CAT6a --> Mokerlink 5 port 2.5Gbe Switch 2.5Gbe port on Mokerlink --> CAT6a --> 2.5Gbe Network card on PC 2.5Gbe port on Mokerlink --> CAT6a --> 2.5Gbe USB Network Adapter on Synology DS918+ ASUS AX58U in use as an AI Node (iPhone 13 Pro gets 750mbps/750mbps next to it) Currently not working at proper speed (MoCA seems to cripple my switch for some reason) 2.5Gbe port on Mokerlink --> CAT6a --> 2.5Gbe goCoax MoCA --> In wall coax --> 2.5Gbe goCoax MoCA --> CAT6a --> 2.5Gbe Port on AX11000 I'm working on the MoCA stuff now to get the 2.5Gbe ethernet backhaul working on my node. Need to sort out how to get into the management of these MoCA adapters - they work but not properly. By that I mean they work fine client to client with no equipment between so it must be some kind of negotiation issue with the Mokerlink 2.5Gbe switch. Quite the topology ha ha.

Anyone who is paying attention to this (ha ha), I have that crazy topology working now. The only issue I now have is that the AX89X only reports 3gbps/1.5gbps for my down and up speeds, respectively - seems I'm only getting half of the upload speed as reported by the router. Client side Speedtest reports 2.5gbps/2.5gbps, so I'm not sure if it's just some kind of glitch with the router's integrated Speedtest implementation or not. @TechMixr much appreciated for doing the heavy lifting and getting the general network topology out to the wild. Cheers

Turn off QoS. That solved it for my buddy. I never had QoS enabled so I never saw this issue. QoS gets enabled when you run the game mode or any of those other modes. When you have an internet connection like this, those modes become meaningless to be honest. It’s handy for those on 100 megabit plans with low upload, but because we have all this headroom it actually hurts our connections. Thanks for the compliment, comments and for watching! 🙏🏾

I’d love to, just playing the waiting game with Bell- hoping it shows up soon! (Not available to my area yet)

I'm also from Ontario Canada and it's available in my area so hopefully the 8 Gigabit service will be available in your area soon so you can review it.

Hoping to do a video the second it’s available. Still stuck at measly 3 gig at moment 😂

@@TechMixr I feel for you bro, that's no way to live!

@@user-ot9jv9yh1x 😂

It seems to be a HomeHub bug (at least on mine) - I'm using a WAN port on the router. I've tried the default WAN port (which is limited to 1 gigabit) and it does the same thing. I've assigned the 10 GbE port I'm plugged into as WAN. On the ASUS router, if you don't use WAN, you MIGHT get an internet connection, but even then, you can't access all the other features (AIMesh won't function correctly, neither will guest network sharing and a few other things). So I'm definitely using the WAN port on the router.

mb never mind, you addressed it in the video... Bell needs to fix that -.-

@@FrostyBrows the latest firmware update on my 4000 has stopped it from re-enabling on mine. I’d go to Bell Direct and ask Bell_Dom if you’re on the latest. Btw- that 8 gig video could be coming soon …….

@@TechMixr oh sick, thanks G

I’ve never used it but I will check the specs!

Are you using the gigahub or the Homehub 4000?

@@TechMixr gigahub

I wish I knew! Loving my pair of AX89X routers and really want to avoid messing with the network as it’s been flawless for months now 😂 Maybe I’ll get my hands on one and do some tests. But don’t expect it anytime soon 😂

@TechMixr unfortunately I didn't see it anywhere on the 16000. How did you got about getting it added by Asus?

Ok, so ..... I purchased the AXE16000 and apparently it's enabled by default and there's no way to disable it. Which is a good thing. HOWEVER .......... the Wi-Fi performance, no matter what I do, is about 1/3 of the performance of my original AX89X. I've tried all the firmware versions available (which took a long time to test) - to be honest, grabbing a transceiver or DAC cable (depending on your network setup of course) and using the AX89X is the better way to go. Also, remember, the AX89X has 4 more gigabit ports, and the processor is faster. You can't run merlin on the AX89X, but if that's not your use case, avoid the AXE16000 - this is part of a bigger video I'm working on now. Hope to have it out soon. Stay tuned.

@TechMixr looking forward to the video. I'm on Bell's 3gb connection with the 16000 connected through PPPoE not DMZ/ADMZ. While I can get 3 down from the router speed test, max I can get for upload EVER is 1.3. QOS is off as is any gaming modes. AiProtection also turned off. Did you notice this as well or just the wifi issue?

So the issue with budget / consumer routers is that they won't typically handle speeds beyond gigabit well. PPPoE acceleration is not something you find on cheaper routers (it's a hardware feature) Something to keep in mind, once you cross the line of gigabit, things start to get pretty expensive. It's a pay to play thing unforunately. I don't have any recommendations beneath the AX89X I featured in the video. And you can feel free to try other routers, but with the amount of hassle to figure out which one will do it, you're probably bettter spending you time / money just getting something that's validated to work. Just my 2 cents anyway, hope this helps!

The Homehub 4000 and the GigaHub are 2 separate devices, they don’t work with one another. They’re both Bell modems. If you mean does the 4000 have the same issues as the Gigahub, then I believe the 4000 is more stable for certain things- but my understanding from chatting with the moderator on DSL Reports, they’re rolling firmware out that should alleviate a lot of it.

@@TechMixr Yea I wasn't speaking to the first point, I was referring to the second one.

They do have 8 gigabit yes …….. …….. there’s a chance a video is coming based on some conversations I had - I don’t have the service yet. But the operative word ….. is “yet” Stay tuned …. 👀

Unfortunately yes. I believe (and this is only my opinion) that Bell leaves this as default behaviour for when they’re troubleshooting (aka when a tech is on site at a house troubleshooting issues). It’s something that should be disabled, or at the very least, there should be an option in the HomeHub that stops this behaviour optionally.

So a couple of things - is your AX89X updated to the latest firmware? If not, do it which leads to the next thing…. - use PPPoE if you can. This video’s advice to use Advanced DMZ is now deprecated because ASUS fixed PPPoE acceleration in the latest firmware - the reboot order whenever there’s an issue is: - power everything off - plug in the Homehub/Gigahub - wait about 10-20 seconds, then power on the ASUS A note about PPPoE, use the b1 login credentials but do NOT use Advanced DMZ at the same time. It’s one or the other. PPPoE is accessed in the AX89X WAN settings - change it from “automatic” to “PPPoE” Let me know if that helps!

@@TechMixr where do I find my b1 login credentials? I'm about to factory reset the AX89X. It was using the firmware from last October. I don't think they've released anything since then.

@@dereksnider7148 Your b1 credentials are from Bell. If you don't have them, you may have to phone them to get them (explain that you need it for your router) There was was an update in October so it's version 3.0.0.4.386.47468 now - I hadn't done it as I was running a beta firmware to another issue before this got released where they patched PPPoE. If that's what you're running currently, you just need the b1 username & password.

@@TechMixr the factory reset seems to have done the trick… fingers crossed 🤞 It’s now set up using pppoe, so hopefully it’s in better shape than before.

@@dereksnider7148 Sounds great! Let's see how it goes!

Unfortunately it seems that they’re prioritizing areas that have really old Bell infrastructure. I lucked out because my area was only able to get 5 megabit down back in 2021 and there was a new condo nearby that had been built in 2019 that had a new fibre run. It’s really luck of the draw unfortunately.

@@TechMixr 😢

Where are you located?

CAT5E is only good for gigabit (even if it could do more, you might be able to for a few feet at best) so using it in the 10GbE port would be pointless unfortunately.

@@TechMixr thanks for your reply. I know that but I don’t have another option here. That’s why I want to know if the HH4000 supports NBASE-T because if it does it will help me a lot. Do you have any information on that?

@@klipe18 I can't see the 1 GbE ports not working with those cables. But if you're going to go the router of near or beyond gigabit speed for your internet connection, you may be better just running new cable if it's at all possible.

@@TechMixr I know that is not the best environment here but to pass another a cable is not possible. NBASE-T is my only solution I just need to know if Bell HH4000 is compatible with that, if it is I’m good, we use this technology at work and we can reach close to 4Gb over cat5e.

@@klipe18 I'm pretty sure it should work, it still uses the ethernet protocol no? I don't have any old CAT5E cables to test with, but I can't imagine it doesn't work.

It really seems to depend on the service’s speed and how they’re connected on the backend to Bell’s infrastructure.

I mean ……………………….. ……………. Gotta go 😂🤦🏾‍♂️

@@TechMixr ees best

The ones I use in this video are stellar. Seamless switching between networks (I have some apps that disconnect even if the connection breaks for a split second) - these 2 in AIMESH mode work flawlessly in complete former dead-zones and those apps don’t disconnect which seriously surprises me!

I've had great luck with the Asus system. The AX86U is a good option if you don't need 10G backhaul.

@@jordanholmesedtech The ASUS system is surprisingly robust at its price-point! I whole-heartedly agree with this.

Yeah, I been bypassed with an SFP for months and it’s a lot better than the HomeHub 4000 using PPPoE acceleration on the router

If it comes to my area, you better believe that video is coming. I don’t want to strictly cover internet on the channel, but…… don’t think I haven’t been actively inquiring about this!

Thank you so much for the compliment! Yeah, 10 GbE switches are much more cost prohibitive than the standard gigabit ones. Eventually I’m going to upgrade this setup when I get more 10 GbE clients at home but for now, it’s running beautifully. Again, I seriously appreciate the view and compliment on the video!

Have you tried logging in with PPPoE using your b1 bell credentials and password? That’s honestly the closest to bridge mode you’ll get and it works really well when it works. The router in this video at the time I recorded only worked well with advanced DMZ. This changed with a firmware update to the router, but your nighthawk may not have that issue. Is it a homehub 4000 or gigabhub?

Internet goes zoomies 24/7 at my place 😂

Unfortunately this isn’t possible unless you have the transceiver from Bell which you’ll only get with a HomeHub 3000. The transceiver is built into the motherboard on the 4000 therefore it’s not removal so from a standpoint of not violating Bell’s terms of service it’s not possible. I’m not even sure it’s possible even if you tried 3rd party ways to be honest - because Bell can freely login to the modem (they’ve done so with mine) and if your modem is offline but you’re on their network- they could easily ban your account. Just some things to think about from the hours I spent reading about it on the dslreports forum and Reddit.

I have PTSD about Rogers outages - I don’t miss the worry of it going down, not to mention I love having a consistent connection.

@@TechMixr yeah, the consistency of Bell makes it worth the switch. Also with Rogers, it would have to reconfigure my VoIP ATA's every 30 days (like clockwork), as Rogers would kick off the current server. This never happened with Bell. Your video, btw, is great. Thanks!

It's Rogers. They'll still screw that up.

It wasn’t available here until fairly recently (I’m north of Toronto) - if you haven’t seen it already, I did an 8 gigabit review on the channel! 😊

I could try but there are other videos out there that do a far better job. Check this one 😊 - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Mx5-T8ZwxbU.html

Only in Toronto. While I'm originally from the GTA, Ontario is much larger than just Toronto 😉

Retrokid.ca And the quality is damn fantastic! 👌🏾👊🏾❤️

@@TechMixr Thanks! You've earned a subscriber 😂

I’m checking for it in my area ……….. daily 😂😂

@@TechMixr w future content

@@sangeeeeeyy3964 pray for me 😂🤦🏾‍♂️

@@TechMixr I’m getting fibre installed for me just now and there’s a winter storm 😢😢(delayed)

Also I’m on rogers 1.5 Gb on coaxial

I recently got it, if you haven’t seen the 8 gigabit review, it’s on my channel (been up about a month)

Are you going through another router and running PPPoE?

@@TechMixr yeah I was. previously I had a Deco M5 mesh wifi setup ( along with a basic 1gig switch) which worked well. Im completely removing that and picking up an Asus gt-axe 16000 I found for $550, along with one Asus 10gbps NIC for my main computer. I'll basically use the other 4 1gig ports on the router to connect the other things that I need, along with a 2.5gig connection to my NAS. Only thing worrying me is the connection from the Bell modem to the Asus router, Im in a new building with Cat5e and Cat6e wiring, but I dont know which is which and where they go.

So on the Bell modem - the last port is a 10 GbE port. Go from that to your new ASUS I’d advise you plug everything you use into the ASUS’ remaining gigabit ports. You may have issues communicating with them with them separated like that. For example, in my house, the only Ethernet cord plugged into my Bell modem is the ASUS. Everything else is branched off the ASUS router and everything connects flawlessly.

Are you using Wi-Fi, or are you directly connected?

Unfortunately I only have access to Bell’s offerings here.

Sure, when it’s available. The rollout is slow- but I’m waiting for it.

@@TechMixr I just got it and it was cheaper then my 3gig by 5 bucks :/ I don't even have the hardware. Got a 10gb Nic but need to run cat 6a.

Very cool! Where abouts in Ontario are you?

@@TechMixr Downsview Park area (Keele/Wilson) but it's new builds that had fibre previously. When I heard 8gig came out I just checked MyBell every other week.. to my shock it was cheaper. I even called after getting it to lower my TV package and they gave me an additional discount on my bill. Package is 8gig/TV starter/home phone lite for 129 pre tax.

You’re right, but I was already used to the ASUS ecosystem. Not something I’m ruling out later but I do enjoy this setup for some of it’s out of the box features.

Hahahaha I wish! Believe me - ramen was a diet for a while 😂

I wish I was an expert on wifi dongles. That being said, I think any wifi 6 dongle should work well. My iPhone 13 Pro Max averages between 680 megabit to 850 megabit ……. On a phone ….. (680 megabit is around 85 MB/second which is stupid fast for anything on my phone including RU-vid / NetFlix)