I definitely enjoyed Black Widow, but yes, if it had come out 7 months after Civil War(instead of 7 years), I think it would have been much more impactful to the overall MCU.
Agreed this should've come out around when Black Panther or spiderman did. Hard to care about Black Widow when we all know what she did has no real consequence on her when we all know she's in Infinity War and dies in Endgame.
If only it came out instead of captain marvel that would have been fine but the MCU was too focused on trying to make Carol their poster girl when no one actually cared about her.
For all we know this movie could've been written 5 years ago and was shelved until they saw the success of other female lead superhero films like Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel.
When he said “Obama was president back then.” it made me realize just how long ago Civil War was. I feel like sometimes I forget because of how much Marvel content we get. My god. Get me out of here.
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the more i hear abt budapest references the more I want to see firsthand, what natasha and clint do back then and there. its always "back in Budapest" and "this is nothing like Budapest" that triggered me. i hope hawkeye's disney+ series will dive deeper into that story
Yep it should've come out in 2013/2014 followed by this one released in 2016/17. Nack then I would have prefered seeing original Avengers get expanded on in their own movies, instead of new characters getting a bland movie like Ant-man and even doctor strange. We really didn't need an ant-man movie. Let alone 2. Just putting him in a few movies as a side character and quickly explaining the subatomic stuff for Endgame would've been enough. I like doctor strange, but i feel like it would've been mch better if we saw him showing up randomly in some stories like Ragnarok to make him some STRANGE dude on the side, guarding the earth, and only later reveal the mysteries surronding him in a movie with Wanda.
thats the issue Black Widow has no standalone or duo movies Thor and Hulk have one's Iron Man and Cap have 3 the Budapest mission should have been Hawkeye and her. You think Renner would say no, of course, he wouldn't. It's a shame for being one of the main avengers or original ones her and hawkeye got cucked hard and this just shows it
This movie had a super inconsistent tone. The intro sequence with the separation of the family is honestly one of the darkest intros in the entire MCU. But fast forward 21 years when the family finally reunites, and everyone primarily communicates via quips/jokes. The whole movie just felt... weird.
Elaine’s awful comedic introduction at Natasha’s grave is the fucking worst. I’m about ready to cry over her sister coming to pay respects and then I hear someone blowing their nose multiple times, like the disrespect here vs Tony’s funeral is infuriating
The intro actually showed lots of potential - even the plane chase is actually really tense and the Idea of kids being used as cover during a dangerous spy mission and pretty much being shelves for later use when it's done was just so heartbreaking. And there are a few shades of that later in the movie - the villain is actually pretty terrifying, not so much as an evil mastermind, but as a serial abuser - and I don't think it's a coincidence that he kinda looks like Harvey Weinstein. But there is a ton of formulaic action, like when Natasha and Yelena meet and thus they "have" to fight to establish their fighting styles, even though in that moment they supposedly both know they're on the same side. Then Right after we have the red room agents going after them. empty action scenes filling the void rather than progressing the story. Even potentially very powerful scenes like when Yelena kills the former widow who frees her, or when the bad guy euthanizes another one in budapest - are painted in the most bland cartoonish MCU brush and I just wish that a little more of the raw emotion and Indie filmmaking sensibilities of the intro shone through in those moments. It's not like the movie is devoid of themes, even if it's a pretty generic movie about abuse and misogyny.
I think they waited way too long to pull the trigger on this movie, even pre-COVID. This should’ve come out before Endgame for the sake of Black Widow’s story.
@@RottingDragon we all know why there were no female led marvel movies before like 2019 but it just feels like this should’ve been out a while ago. after the ambition of infinity war/endgame and the disney plus shows, it really seemed like marvel was going in a new, more complex direction, so for this to come out after all that is just a lil meh.
@@KanyeT1306 He's also the reason why it took so long to get solo Black Widow movie. He might have done a lot to get the MCU to where it is, but he's also the reason it was held back in many ways.
This movie's biggest sin IMO is turning Taskmaster into a bland terminator-esque bad guy. I don't mind the twist near the end regarding the character, I just think they can't have this villain not be a wise cracking asshole and still make it work. It's a big part of what makes Taskmaster fun.
That’s exactly what I think. I’ve always loved Taskmaster in the comics but they turned them into a Terminator or another Winter Solider like character. I’m fine with that but cmon, it’s Taskmaster
Maybe make the daughter actually work for her father? I think that could work. I also think it's possible that they could use the Taskmaster Program or whatever it was called to have someone else take the mantle of Taskmaster.
The only way I think it would've worked better is if they made Taskmaster even more of a threat in this movie. I think the reveal was pretty cool but the ending was very meh, and if you're going to have a meh ending with this "scary" Taskmaster you might as well have gone with the asshole wisecracking taskmaster then
Shoot, I thought by the trailer that’s what it would be about Her going back to ground zero where things might’ve begun or something or someone (taskmaster) hunting her because of what when down there, maybe people died there that was family or friends for taskmaster and they’d blame Natasha for it all directly....imagine that movie, cliche but more focused
Yeah ... I felt like I was watching Natasha's version of Captain America 2 ... only there was never a Captain America 1 to make me give a damn about HYDRA, Bucky etc
I realised after the film that the plot of the film was just: Natasha: “Where do I find the Red Room? Lets ask Yelena” Yelena: “Don’t know, let’s ask Alexei.” Alexei: “Don’t know, let’s ask Milena.” Milena: “I know, I’ll take you there.” *End Credits*
@Damian Rubio Are you kidding? I’m all here for originality, but when they ruin a character for no reason and make a movie just to milk a character, that’s isn’t good or even “original”. Don’t be one of those guys that blindly support anything marvel puts out.
@@Flome810 yeah I have never read a comic and yet I was very dissapointed with taskmaster, not only as another bland marvel villain, but because, like comic fans, my expectations were high. How so? Because of the spider-man ps4 game. Yes the freaking spider-man game gave the character so much better representation from small side quests alone.
The freedom of all the other widows is what was really at Stake, I just don’t like how all the widows became clueless after they broke free of the mind control and had to be told by the main characters to escape.
The movie made me feel it was more Yelena’s story than Nat’s. But you know what I look forward to seeing her again. You know she’s going to be in the Hawkeye series.
They turned cocky, wise-cracking Taskmaster into an emotionless, edgy killing machine. I think it would have been better if they had used Deathlok instead, considering he died and was made into a cyborg. But I guess we'll never see Taskmaster in his full glory considering he was just another plot-twisted, one-off villain.
Easily but I really think they made it that way so we like her in the mcu. It’s just unfortunate that this was black widows last time in the mcu and she’s not even the stand out character
It felt like the film was setting up a more interesting character with her but she had to be stuck in a supporting role, I hope the next Black Widow films haver her as the lead.
You and I both. I personally thought that the first part of the movie was going to be about the Red Room and how they trained the girls to become Black Widows then how Natasha was going to meet Clint and joined the Shield/the Budapest mission. But unfortunately, this movie was about introducing the new Black Widow... But tbh, a movie about Natasha's origins story should have been released a long time ago (like right after her introduction in Iron Man 2), same for Hawkeye and his circus days (there could have been a movie about him right after the first Thor movie because Clint was in it).
He’s totally right about the Budapest thing, why wasn’t that the movie instead of what we got. Of course it would be weird having most of the main characters have some form of de-aging crap on them (whether that be heavy makeup or cgi), but it would have been so good
Yeah that's the thing, they lost there chance to do that because they made it too late, and they would have had to make everyone deaged the entire movie
Well, considering the story that got told, here, centering the movie on Budapest would have told an incomplete story, and one that had little to nothing to do with the other characters like Yelena. It wouldn't have properly introduced her character, which admittedly was a big part of this movie's point.
I feel like this was kind of the purpose of the movie. Black widow is dead and they wanted to introduce Yelena so she can be a character in future movies right?
Marvels peak of “grounded type hero” spy story is still winter soldier, that movie is top tier marvel. If they can do more stuff like that again than were good
4:37 Yes! It drove me nuts that they never touched on that. A character that has always wanted to fight Captain America, fights someone that knows all of his moves and the movie doesn't give that moment any significance.
And he just gets slapped around until someone saves him which just feels so cheap. "Oh we can't have someone apart from our protagonist beat the villain" at least let him take a shot at it! Maybe leave a wound! *Something!*
A huge problem is that Black Widow just feels so "past Marvel." We've gotten used to the crazy, character driven MCU with WandaVision, FATWS and Loki, and this just feels like such a step down.
I'm actually disappointed, not by any of that, but because it wasn't focused on black widow when she was training to be KGB and then working as a Russian spy. I thought we were getting a prequel film.about her backstory, not some boring side mission she did between two of the recent films.
@@demiliomason1565 i wanted that story as well, but ever since the movie was announced it was confirmed that wasnt going to be the story they chose so it didnt bother me...
@@Batman1998- Loki is still airing so I can't exactly say for certain it'll stay that way. Wandavision for example was great until it got near the end and left its sitcom gimmick and started having people flying and shit again.
Didn’t talk about Taskmaster… because Taskmaster wasn’t even a character, which is so very wrong to me. This movie wasted a perfectly good comic villain.
I feel like nobody is mentioning how the “heroes” cause an avalanche that most likely killed loads of people. Sure, many of them are criminals since it’s a prison, but STILL. Just give me movies with these characters being heroes instead of only saving the day when it’s a doomsday scenario.
To be fair, none of them are actually "heros." It's completely within character of any of them to kill that many people and not care. Like red guardian said "Your ledgers must dripping red from all the people you killed."
i feel like in this movie that kind of works. none of the heroes are morally good people, maybe except for Natasha who switched lanes years ago and is still trying to do good by bringing down the Red Room. Even then though, we've seen how she killed Derykov's daughter for collateral, so even her morals aren't always straight. I guess they should have included a moment where Natasha plays the big sister role and criticises Yelena's choice to blow up that tower, but otherwise it weirdly works for me
Just like the flag smashers, we weren’t showed the “why” for the villains. Why should we care? We saw the flag smashers blow up a building. Ok? What else? We’re told, but nver shows. And same with the flag smashers’ motivation. We were told that they were treated horribly after the blip, but never shown. We don’t care enough to either hate them because of what they do, or root for them because of the injustices against them. The same issues happen with the Widow cell. We are shown them sniping people, we’re told they are deadly. But we aren’t moved or emotionally tied for their liberation, other than being told that they’re being subjugated. We don’t see the struggle, we don’t witness the inhumane things being done to them. We’re just… told. And the two people who have ties to the red room (natasha & yelena) do not give it any worthwhile characterization that would substitute a direct tie to the widow cell. The villain doesn’t seem threatening, because we don’t care enough to want to see his demise either. He gets so little screen time, and we never get to learn his “why”- a titular aspect of a compelling villain. It is a pretty known fact that marvel movies don’t always have the best villains. But after doing things like Thanos and Wanda, the standard of story telling has risen. And Marvel needs to meet and exceed their own standards, if they want to keep their credibility as good storytellers. Also: WHERE DID PHEROMONES COME FROM?? YOU CAN’T JUST INTRODUCE RANDOM PLOT LINES WITHOUT SETTING THEM UP PREVIOUSLY??
Because we get a sense of all that from Nat, ever since Avengers we see glimpses of her pain and trauma, at least for me it wasnt hard to accept the whole issue. In fact the opening credits scene was enough for me considering what I knew before hand...
we've had SO MANY scenes of Nat talking about her horrible past and the horrible people behind it, we know by watching her how skilled and formidable the widows must be but know that wherever she comes from, it is now long gone. To discover that was a lie is a good solid base to kick start Nat solo movie imo. That said, I wish we could have seen more of her training and time in the OG red room - the opening credits were cool, but I wished for a little more
I think the movie should have leaned into the tone of the intro, that was the most grounded and effective part of the whole movie. Like imagine the reintroduction of Yelena right before she is freed, but filmed in a way that shows she's basically a prisoner in her own body instead of generic spy action filmmaking. Use first person shots, use every trick in the book that communicates altered states of minds - and then show us the aftermath, and to communicate her regaining free will, go back to regular filmmaking to reveal to us the corpse of her liberator. That movie had fairly powerful themes, but it was buried in over the top action schlock.
I don’t mind the “normal human MCU” because obviously there’s a demographic for it, and I enjoy it when it’s done well as it was in the winter soldier. But they really need to come up with some compelling plots and antagonists. The plot in TFATWS was so convoluted, and Karli was so lame. But if the story mainly took place in madripoor and involved an antagonist there I think it would’ve been way more interesting. As for black widow, it 100% should’ve been the mission in Budapest. They could’ve even kept the opening sequence with the fake family and her sister, and found a way to build up her character in the movie.
John Walker should have just been the main antagonist, and the conflict of the series is about him abusing the shield and Sam and Bucky realizing he needs to be stopped. Walker was the most compelling character in that series, and every time it cut away from him and focused on the flagsmashers or the stupid Power Broker shit, I was falling asleep.
Also they were like superhumans like that scene where there where in a car that flipped over and kept smashing on the ground into the subway they should have died from that or be paralyzed for the rest of their lives but they jus got up with no blood and just started running again
@@mezzb Galaga guy has more charisma than her. He should have been the main villain. It woulf perfectly fit for the suffocating jokey problems of Marvel films.
Some one else already mention this, but it would’ve ruined the tone of that scene leading up to her death. And with that being said, that emotional moment of Yelena paying respect to Natasha’s grave was ruined by Elaine’s comedic introduction into the mcu.
The action was always putting me off while watching this one. It was defying physics at the levels of fast and the furious. There were numerous moments that should have been fatal, from which the main characters simply stood up and ran.
The physics kept fluctuating between Winter Soldier and Iron Man. For that reason, none of the action felt grounded enough or built up a proper sense of danger/threat. I didn't know when to expect characters to get injured or suffer a defeat...no tension as a result.
Yes! It got to the point where I thought that they must've given natasha some sort of version of the superhero serum in the red room, to justify all the hits she could take 😅
Very true, no one gets injured in any way. After yelena destroys the choppers blades towards the end and it explores in her face, there not a scratch on her.
I was so disappointed by our good ol' russian daddy. He goes on and on about being the one to bring down Captain America but he does next to nothing. His big final fight is just him getting pummelled until someone steps in to help, which just feels like a waste. They set him up as the muscle of the group but he doesn't win a *single* fight. And the villians were, once again, really underwhelming. I was excited to see Taskmaster but her powers are underutilised as hell and she doesn't have an agenda of her own. On the other hand, our coldblooded criminal mastermind who manipulates the entire world... is baited into throwing a tantrum in like two sentences?
Since they announced this movie I ALWAYS thought a much better plot would’ve been a 3/4 or even just half of the movie about that Mission Black Widow and Hawkeye keep talking about and then in the final act of the movie, the focus goes to Jeremy Reiner (Hawkeye) and he has to finish loose ends or something. Like, imagine how cool it would’ve been if this story was the kind that has constantly flashbacks to the point where they occupy a chunk of the story. It could’ve been focused on both of the characters but the true protagonist being Haweye and he would relive his memories of BW. Hell, “Ant-Man and the Wasp” is a thing. Just call it “Black Widow and Haweye” and BOOM! Two characters that needed their own movies now have their movie
I think he was a bit too pessimistic at the end. Eternals is coming out soon, and there's that Skrull plotline that was teased at the end of Spiderman. There's alot more to the future of the MCU than Black Widow and Winter Soldier type characters
@@DylanMadd I don’t know about this man. I can eternals probably being forgettable to general audiences. But I have hope because I’ve read eternals and I’ve actually really fell in love with it. But all I can hope for next is the X-Men
@@rigobertorosenbaum9838 Guardians was similar before it came out. I’m also not certain it can work again (JGunn has a unique voice/style). It occurred to me when I thought about phases 1-3 and how great it was and nostalgic I already am for that era. And they could continue to bring those characters back (at great expense) and building on those storylines. OR, they could bring in new characters forever (with Eternals, XMen, F4 & more multiverse/cosmic stories) and never mention Cap or Stark ever again. There’s so much room and so many characters still it seems they can go on and on forever. I love it. Wish DC could do something similar.
I always saw this movie as sort of a "Victory Lap" for Scarlett. She's probably been doing this just as long as RDJ or Sam Jackson, and Marvel probably wanted to give her one final "farewell' with a movie of her own. I thought the movie was fine. Definitely weaker than the shows right now. But it was decent enough and I won't say I hated my time watching it.
That’s the only reason it exists it feels like I agree. It feels like Marvel felt like they owed her her own movie after all these years so they just kinda threw one together for her.
Can we talk about how Black Widow is literaly a superhero. She got thrown onto a Truck and into a river. A few days later she fell from the second Floor landing several time on her back and landed perfectly on her feet?? A few moments later she had a complete Car crash. Not once we see her hurt like she would've been.
For me the only "normal Marvel" part was the third act, that actually dragged the movie down. When it was exploring the emotional trauma of surviving the red room or the connection with this weird family and burden that their past have on them I was fully invested. Then it became a generic action packed block buster movie with none of those actually meaning shit anymore. Like the the director wanted to explore Natasha as a person more, but was forced to do a "marvel movie" in the end.
Holy shit i havent seen the movie yet and when i read task master i thought "who THE FUCK was taskmaster supposed to be in the clips he showed????" And i googled it and yeah wow im disappointed whyd they do my boy like that
Ideally, this is how it would’ve played out: this comes out right after Civil war, and the end scene with the quinjet would’ve been the end credits so we know how they got it in infinity war. Then this movies end credits would’ve been the one for endgame or something, tying it into the story
@@selty they needed proof a female led film could make mcu money. Which is fucking stupid and it blew up in their faces really, the movie would’ve made more money if it released before the pandemic
Marvel was already depriving the VFX artists of their time and energy when Phase 3 came out. Phase 2 was abysmal but Marvel Studios were fisting the people in charge behind the set. You can look it up. They were pulling dick moves on making practical sets then having the VFX team replace those props with computer imagery.
I wasn’t expecting this, but I actually really liked Black Widow. It was not worth the wait and all that, but it was very good in my eyes. Just my opinion tho
All I expected from this movie wasa super hero beat up a villain and I'm not disappointed. Thats probably also how I enjoyed captain marvel cause my expectations are astronomically low lmao
I liked it but it was a bit too late so it made me kinda made ngl. we already know the end of her story so this movie is just an introduction for the new characters. still it doesn't deserve the 6.8 rating on IMDB.
Task masters got more character development in his side quests in Spider-Man PS4 than this movie tbh… Just feels like a missed opportunity and I really feel like Marvel has been producing more content since endgame just for the hell of it and lack the passion and creativity of the movies that came before it.
This movie wasn’t pointless: it set up Yelena as a character and potentially being the new Black Widow. It’s as much of an origin story for Yelena as it is a side story for Natasha, and I hope that Marvel handles Yelena properly.
@yb.4s I mean captain marvel or Thor would beat up Spider-Man, there’s a power gap with every member, she was brought on board they knew for sure they’d be dealing with massive alien stuff all the time, from what we saw even after joining the avengers she still mainly did spy stuff anyway
@CB I think the idea of the avengers has changed a lot, instead of a singular time we’ll probably see loads dealing with a variety of issues. Yelena with the Thunerbolts with John Walker dealing with more ground stuff, the likes of Dr.Strange deal with magical stuff, Cpt.Marvel and the Guardians deal with space stuff and Spider-Man deals with his neighbourhood. They’ll likely all come together to beat Kang but I’m not sure how they would be able to so maybe she won’t even get involved with that part of the MCU
Not gonna lie, Taskmaster was underused. I mean, how in hell did they arrive at the conclusion that Taskmaster never needed a 1 vs multiple heroes scene. It would have been so nice to have a Darth Maul like fight with Taskmaster changing his fighting style against 2 or 3 opponents.
I 100% agree... they hyped up Taskmaster WAY more in the trailers, which makes me wonder if they ran out of time... I was looking forward to seeing more mimicry of various Marvel heroes and villains. It's the classic issue of under-utilizing a side villain in favor of the big baddie.
@@deltaone2837 Thank you. That's the fight piece that would've saved this, I think. Natasha and Yelena both taking on TM and overwhelming TM's abilities to scan styles, as a team.
They didn't ruin Taskmaster. This takes place 7 years before Endgame. That's a lot of time for the villain to evolve into the Taskmaster we know from other media. This one is basically just explaining the origin of Taskmaster, which is cool, and not killing them off makes me believe we will see them back in the future. Either as a hired mercenary or just an antihero. Don't give up on a character we will probably see again in the future. Hell, Abomination is in She-Hulk and Shang-Chi, the MCU doesn't forget characters that aren't dead, especially if they can add to the story in the future. Taskmaster showing up in a Captain America movie would be a great way to show how Sam can surpass Steve Rogers in some ways by showing him beat Taskmaster who is fighting the same as Steve Roger's (sans super-strength, of course).
@@Lampboi-jp6dt But this Taskmaster was terrible and nothing like the comic book version so why would we even want to see more? The actual Taskmaster is way more fun, he's a cocky jerk who basically fanboys over the moves he copies from people while also being incredibly badass. I doubt she'll appear again honestly, unless they just retcon her and say "Oh no actually the REAL Taskmaster is this dude"
@@Lampboi-jp6dt Being blown up by black widow is a nice origin, but you have to admit the movie doesn’t seem to care much for the character until the last minute. This all felt like a knock off Captain America: winter soldier. In that movie, the set up between Steve and WS was done way better. That movie both shows and tells us and the protagonist why they need to take the winter soldier as a serious threat. All the info dump for Taskmaster happens at the very end and it doesn’t leave as big of an impact like Captain America’s movie did.
@@mrcheesemunch MCU isn't in the same universe, so why expect the same? Marvel doesn't want comic book fans to guess everything correctly either, would ruin all the fun for normies. There's plenty of time to develop them into a cocky (or whatever) character, now that they have their humanity back
@@palody_en-ja Then why do they make incredibly predictable movies? I haven't read any of these comics and nothing in this movie surprised me at all, like it was pretty damn obvious they weren't going to leave Black Widow a child killer meaning the kid would be relevant later and oh, shocking, she's Taskmaster.
I agree with you I do have my critiques but overall I really enjoyed this movie they're very few marvel movies that are below 7 for me and it's only two
@@argo9721That all changed when opinions turned into outright rage for the sake of rage. Oh and let's not forget, a lot of these "Opinions" are coming from people who haven't seen the movie or even F with the MCH hard-core. So what is that opinion worth???
Yeah, the family dynamic was the best part. All the family are alot more morally compromised and grey than the other Avengers. Natasha was willing to kill an innocent girl in order to kill her target. The Red Guardian had a warped perspective on success where he though sending girls he genuinely like and was attached to sent to the Red Room where they learn to kill countless people. He didn't send them there out of malice or apathy, but because that he though it gave them the best possible future and the mother was suffocating a pig just to show off her science experiment. It was interesting to see how both Natasha and Yelena react to their childhood. Natasha tries to completely reject her past by pointing out how their fake family was just a front for the Russians, while Yelena clings to this past because it was the only time she was happy and not a puppet. I quite like the first 2/3 of the movie. Wasn't a big fan of the finale with Taskmaster and the sexist glasses dude.
I guess I get that aspect of it, I just think it was stupid to market it as a black widow movie when it was mostly about the side characters lol, because I def cared more about them than her and it didn’t further her story in any way.
@@genevieveroy780 I think they looked at “birds of prey” and how that confused a lot of people went let’s not do that. Plus, the sister is the new black widow so it still kinda makes sense
Be honest with me - how many times does she do *the pose* over the course of the runtime? I feel like I saw it at least four times in the trailer. I wonder if someone in the process only suggested Taskmaster as the villain because Taskmaster's gimmick is copying people and that'd give us the mirrored Ironman 2 pose.
To be fair, that pose is intentionally made fun of, and later on used, to demonstrate Black Widow’s capacity as a woman portrayed as a superhero. Later on, her sister does it too, which also adds more significance to the future mantle she’ll be carrying as its subsequent successor
@@SilentGamer6742 that was actually a smart move to have these character moments where she pokes fun at it, tries it later on like a little sister that wants to imitate her elder sister.
Taskmaster was so out of place in this movie. He belongs in an avengers outing where he has a host of characters to play with the fight-mirroring gimmick. All that the characters in Black Widow do is vague martial arts
@@unhelpfulrevelations7989 In the movie he does use the claws, the bow and shield and he copies the moves too but he is still out of place. His original backstory is better too... a rogue Shield agent turned mercenary, that's so much better.
I realize this was intended to come out a full year before Loki.. But just imagine if we all went in knowing there was no way that black widow could die because this was a prequel.. but it all leads up to her death in some way, then we see a TVA reset and cut to black.. That would be a pretty cool way to shatter expectations.. but lol just came up with this on a whim
This was supposed to be one of those filler movies like Ant-man and the Wasp was but because the world decided to shit it’s own pants we waited for way to long and some people actually got their hopes up
@Miguel Messina Snyder doesn't own flash, wb does, Snyder with DC's permission used flash in zsjl, the flash is rumoured to be a soft reboot of the dceu
Can you imagine if this came out INSTEAD OF captain marvel. You know the character we have had in like 5 different movies and had major screen time in endgame as opposed to the one character that got 1 movie and MAYBE 5 mins of screen time total in endgame that didn't change the plot at all except to Deux ex machina herself into the plot?
Do u know that the reason why we didn't get a BW movie was because of a drama between Ike Perlmutter and Kevin Feige, right? Cap Marvel was more important in terms of Storyline in the MCU than Black Widow was when Kevin finally get the chance to green light the movie, so nothing to be done, specially because BW didn't give anything new to the MCU (maybe except the post-credit scene), it was just a prequel, yeah sucks that we didn't get it sooner, but it's not like Cap Marvel was a step backward in the MCU so, everything cool.
Oh great more Captain Marvel hate. Look its not the best movie but its not a bad film honestly. Its pretty corny but in a humorous way. It told a mystery conspiracy story about a soldier on a wrong side of a war with some actual good acting in it. And complaining about how she didn't do anything in Endgame is kind of dumb since if she did it would ruin Iron Man and Captain America's part where Iron Man talks to his dad and Captain America decides to go back in time to live his life. If Captain Marvel was in Endgame more she would tell them exactly where the tesseract was and the emotional beats for those characters would not be there at all and under mind their decisions. She is meant to set up the Kree and Skrulls in the MCU and the movie does that well. Its better than Shazam where you can't give a shit about the cardboard cliches in the film and the stakes are as laughable as how quickly the villain accomplishes his goals and thus has nothing else to do but lose in that film.
If it came out like this, it wouldn’t have made a difference. I think Captain Marvel was more fun to watch. At least that movie gave us more Samuel L. Jackson.
This movie can't even be called Black Widow's movie. It's just a disposable setup movie that just so happens to have Black Widow in it as she's too dead for this movie to further her story.
i didnt do my research but i heard somewhere that the purpose of this movie is also to introduce characters that would most likely show up in mcu years ahead. ig watching the movie knowing that its also a first step for new characters or an introduction per se, is a fair pov to take the story that this movie provides a bit more contextual y'know. I mean it is kinda misleading that the movie is named Black Widow, but we got more of other characters than Black Widow herself.
The thing that disappointed me the most with this movie is how underused Taskmaster was. Her introduction in the beginning of the movie was really strong and set her up as a huge threat to the hero’s. She then has the car chase scene which was pretty good but then she barely does anything for the rest of the movie. We barely get to see any cool applications of her unique power set and in the comics Taskmaster is such a powerful and cool mercenary type villain. I think it would have went better if she was hunting Natasha down throughout the movie to provide them with a sense of urgency and danger. I even heard a suggestion that she could have been a mercenary hired by the government to track Natasha down which I thought would have been really cool and would let them use her in future movies where her powers could be displayed even more as she fights more and more superhero’s.
Honestly, I still can't believe this is the movie we got. They basically had a template movie to build this movie off of. Just like you said, it should been more like the Winter Soldier. That movie was a surprise spy thriller for me and that's a Captain America movie. This is a Black Widow movie, literally a spy. Natasha's best movie is STILL the Winter Soldier because she was able to show some of her spy skills and overall non-fighting intelligence. Nothing like that in this movie.
mason was the same way. the posters made it seem like he had such a huge role and there was even speculation that he would be task master and in the movie he didn't even get ten minutes of screen time
Am I the only one still with mix feelings about what happened almost at the end with Natasha being left alone waiting for Ross to get her, the camera cuts and then we find her with her friend in Norway (?) I guess. It feels like they ran out of ideas of how to make her escape that situation and simply move on. Who thought that was a good idea??
There are multiple actors in Hollywood who can speak Slavic languages fluently (Polish, Russian, etc.) that are relatively well known like: Milla Jokovich, Yvonne Strzechowski, Mia Wasikowska, Oleg Tarkarov or Olesya Ruslin, but nah let's make most of the main casts Anglo who speak with extremely fake accent
I liked it, personally. I liked that it wasn't setting up twelve future movies, but was just doing its own thing and exploring a few new facets of Natasha.
Same. As a stand-alone movie, it's really good. But, when you compare it to other Marvel movies and see what it _could've_ been, it's not as great. It mostly depends on your perspective, I guess.
You can blame Disney for being so hesitant on creating a female solo action movie. Fans have loved Black Widow since Iron Man 2. Her solo flick should have been the first, NOT Captain Marvel. ScarJo herself is also way more likable than Brie Larson. She has no political agenda; in fact, she despises social media. I'll bet you anything they did hesitate because she wouldn't promote their uber SJW mentality the way Brie did.
@@nahor88 honestly, I think Captain Marvel was a better movie than this one. Black Widow is cool, but outside of the Cap movies and Endgame, ScarJo always seemed like a weirdly written character, and it was made even more obvious in this movie. I'm not saying a Black Widow movie couldn't work, but they didn't lean hard enough into the Mission Impossible aspect. They tried to make it more of a superhero movie than the abilities of the character could justify. Up until the last act of the movie, I could believe that Widow could actually pull off the action being shown. The final set piece was completely different. Being more invested in the side characters (especially Yelena) only adds to that. The Taskmaster plot was fun, and every time they showed up I loved seeing how they fought (though I've always loved the Taskmaster character, and I hope they bring out the actual skull mask if/when we see them again). I think the movie would've felt more than a 6/10 for me if they would've kept the stakes lower, like a Civil War style end scene, where it's only a couple characters, and nothing crazy going on in the background. Civil War's end scene resonates so hard for me because 1) obviously the conflict between Cap and Tony, but also 2) there isn't anything else happening. No world ending event or destruction, just 2 best friends fighting for keeps because 1 wants to save his other friend. Hindsight is 20/20, and there are choices I would never have made that I actually enjoyed quite a bit, but this movie feels like it was made before Civil War, and not just because it takes place there.
@@nahor88 well I wouldn't blame Disney I would blame the old head of marvel studios he said that female leads would not make money but now we have Kevin feige who is not a sexist and racist
I'm surprised this is the first comment I've read about how similar the plot is to Winter Soldier The villain's plan, the "I do what he does just slower" character, the mind controlled terminator it was weird
Honestly, I the last act was pretty meh for me, but I actually enjoyed a lot of the character stuff leading up to that. The problem is that these types of movies almost always need to make it a big blockbuster ending for some reason (it's why I can't watch a lot of movies anymore, they all seem the same), but the opening was cool, and the family was my favorite part of the movie. I would love a movie or TV show for the 3 of them going on adventures, but fingers crossed we get as much of them as hinted at in the post-credits (I won't say specifics just for the people who can't stop themselves from reading obvious spoilers)
The laziest and cliche way the show a character to be tough is to show him in a Russian prison arm wrestling other inmates while getting a back tattoo.
Maybe he is constantly obsessed about being better than others, cause he wanted his suit back so he can fight and kids could look up to him. What else do you think a delusional person like him would do
When that rotor engine blows up on Yelena's face, it should've at least blown a part of her face off, but it only throws her off with no scratch and yet again, we get another MCU obvious fake or almost death scene.
I mean there’s no way they do that and get away with the rating they do, I get why you think that but these are also made for kids who don’t want to see a character with traumatic realistic facial scarring
@@davidvanhorn2493 I get you but that thing can kill or injury anyone, for life. Why set up that "fake/almost death" scenes in a way that should realistically kill the characters yet they don't. They could've done it in other ways.
@@IftiAlam1999 Yeah I agree I think lots of parts were weak, I mean a child is in a house that exploded like crazy and all she comes out with is some facial scarring that film kinda completely jumps ship on the realism
Black Widow will age better after it’s in total release. Give it a decade and the generation of new fans will end up watching this film chronologically. If that makes sense
@@GibbySoapBox I don't think you actually know what cult classics are. I think you should watch evil dead and see what people like about it to start understanding what a cult classic is.
The fact that Black Widow dies, shouldn't steal anything from having nice prequel stories. It's the journey, not the ending that matters. It's like saying "Clone wars is useless because we all know that Darth Vader dies". That said, Black Widow was a lot like the movie and series "Hannah".
The issue was it wasn’t much of a prequel though. It’d be like watching Attack of the Clones after all the OT. We were just told her backstory again, we didn’t get to experience it.
After watching the movie, gotta agree with the “not against Marvel doing more grounded stories, but they aren’t doing it good enough for me to care.” I genuinely found it hard to attach myself to this movie because the story isn’t interesting to me. I’m not the biggest spy movie fan, so that might be a part into it. The two villains aren’t interesting either, one of which is just a let down. And the action in this movie didn’t feel special, no fight scene necessarily stood out to me.
I think this movie should have been released after the Civil War. It looks very dated. The villain is bad, some scenes are just сringe. I hope this will not happen again, but something tells me that this is just the beginning...
@@KingArthur39 I've never really understood this argument,sure some people will go in the opening weekend but most people will just wait a day or two for the reviews to see if it's worth seeing
Which is the dumbest plot twist in the MCU? The Mandarin being some washed up actor? Nick Fury's eye being scratched out by a cat? Evan Peters being there for the sake of a penis joke? Or Taskmaster being Harvey Weinstein's brainwashed daughter?
I thought this movie wouldn't have been as good were it not for Florence Pugh. She was by far the BEST character, and now my favorite side character. Looking forward to seeing her in... *SPOILERS* Hawkeye show?
Wow I really thought this movie was good. It had good emotional moments with pretty good characters. Granted the characters weren’t amazing but I didn’t really expect them to be. I really liked red guardian. I really liked all the characters. Taskmaster worked for this movie but as a fan of taskmaster I was kinda let down. Overall I really enjoyed this movie. I also thought the fights were pretty good. Overall I would give it an 8/10. I really enjoyed this one.
I too enjoyed it but I think we should differentiate between "good" and "enjoyable". Michael Bay Transformers can be enjoyable. But they sure as hell ain't good movies. The problem I have with it is that nothing sticks out and everything is underutilised. Tension is lost because we already know what happens to her later. Red Guardian, while a fun addition, was less important than the guy who gets equipment for the sisters. Like seriously the only thing he does during the final confrontation is serving as a punching bag. Taskmaster is bland and simply inferior compared to the villian we know. Dreykov is supposed to be a master of puppets and manipulator yet gets easily outsmarted. Also the stakes are non-existant. Everybody is invincible. The movie boils down to some fun character moments and mediocre action scenes. Which, again, while enjoyable, is way too simple and generic to get more than a 6/10 from me. I could watch any standard spy-hero-action movie instead.
@@Gloomdrake I'm honestly not sure, like this movie is fucking gaslighting me cuz like now I'm "Did they say that? Or did I just pull that out of my ass"
@@meganvincent5381 Well, I mean, when someone says, "backstory," that usually means the stuff that happened to them before we met them, not shenanigans they got up to in between appearances
Honestly, the opening scene/credits are my biggest problem with the movie. The opening credits are EXTREMELY dark for an MCU movie. It sets the story up to seem like it is going to be a serious, solemn thriller focusing on the "horrors" of the training behind Black Widow. But nope. It then instantly fast forwards 21 years and the rest of the movie is full of the average Iron Man 2 quality quips/jokes, only this time with Russian characters.
My relationship with this movie is pretty different to most, the director actually lived very close to my house and was the former neighbour of a friend of mine, when they were young they even got invited over for dinner one time and I also drive past that place to go to work everyday. Since I’m not American it’s rare big movies come out with directors from Australia and especially ones from my state (apparently James Wan went to the same college but he didn’t live here very long and moved after graduating) I feel just happy someone who grew up in the same place as me really got a chance to make something on such a scale. I do have opinions on what I thought of the film but for me I’d rather just be happy for the reasons previously mentioned.
Everyone memeing the "Taskmaster got more character development in Spider-Man's PS4" is cute, but not true. Taskmaster had more personality, but they have equal character development, which is basically none at all.
I haven't seen Black Widow, do they have a scene where they explain that he's a fake like in Iron Man 3? Where at the end they revealed there was a real Mandarin? Or do they just sell him as the real Taskmaster?
@@MosheGyt It works perfectly as a Taskmaster origin story. The character survived and is now freewilled. They can easily take it into a direction closer to the comics if they want to.
Hah! No. No development of who Natasha was, really, a shame considering SJ's character was always treated as filler. Nothing for the Communist Captain (the Crimson Dynamo :P) explaining how the hell he fits in a timeline so, so different from the comics (where he *does* fight Captain America). Also, the Crimson Dynamo dig... Really? So... They point at comics (Iron Man Cold War era villain) and that's, like... All? And Taskmaster didn't get any cool scene. Could've taken on all four of 'em, anyway. This felt like a rushed interludium for the damn Disney+ series that came out too late. If it had came out earlier... What would it have brought, if not even that? People criticise Ant-Man and the Wasp a lot (I think it was actually qyite good, albeit forgettable, but so are most marvel movies) but this... This would've been below Thor The Dark World.
@@jotabeas22 I mean, we know there were more super-powered soldiers while Rogers was still an icicle. I just assumed his story about fighting Cap was a nod to that
Started out with Ross chasing her but didn’t really show how she actually outrun Him at the end. WHYYYY ? Also, they should’ve made this movie 7 years ago and it could’ve been not just one movie but maybe even a trilogy !
@@MetalGearBronya She doesn't have powers. How the hell could she escape an army? Considering how she got her ass handed to her until Yelena stepped in with the "Snap out of it!" formula, it seems unlikely she'd punch and kick her way through men.
@Damian Rubio, It would give Taskmaster some dialogues, an interesting motivation, and possibly keep him/her alive for future movies. Drakov trying to get revenge also fits in thematically with Nat's past trying to catch up with her. I don't understand the choice of keeping Drakov's daughter alive or even shifting all the blame off of Nat/the widows and onto him. I guess Marvel/Disney couldn't have a hero with a questionable past? Why else would they wash the guilt off Natasha for one of her only morally dubious actions that we were privy to.
@@animeshkarki6511 she still blew up a kid, just because she somehow survived it doesn't erase her past. Taskmaster is also technically still alive and now that she isn't under Drakov's control she could play a bigger role in future movies
They done taskmaster dirty like Deadpool in wolverine origins...i thought Marvel learned that turning a character with depth and good characterization into a mind controlled zombie was a shit idea...? I kept expecting the mid-combat banter like almost EVERY other marvel movie, there were so many bits where you expect someone to say something but its just a silent expression shot...where was the charm and wit that we've come to like about Natasha? Seems like her sister got her personality and she just became the silent protagonist...plus the "crimson dynamo" just got his ass handed to him literally didn't punch a single thing in the entire movie, or even get a moment to react to that fight with Taskmaster. Horrible dialogue, uninspired fight scenes, lame jokes, average plot, and decent supporting characters that stole the show from the last time you'll ever see Natasha Romanoff. For a company that was founded on female main characters Disney has no idea how to actually write a good female dominant script...
@@CallMeFi No, sorry I meant erased her past in general. They made her a person, virtuous since her childhood who was forced into the Widow program and later manipulated into doing the things that she did. When Loki and Nat talk in the first avengers, she says something along the lines of "I have particular skills and I didn't care who/what I used it on/for." That implies choice over what she did, but this movie says the opposite. I feel like her being indoctrinated into a evil organization, believing in their cause and later realizing how wrong she was is much more interesting that watching a mind controlled good person. Idk, she was one of the only morally grey characters in the MCU.
@@CallMeFi Then she'll go down as another underutilized villain that Marvel will embarassingly try redeeming in another movie a la Abomination, the Mandarin, Ronan.
My biggest reason for not being interested in this is it feels 4-6 years too late. It feels more like Marvel just wanting a setup movie to justify when they give the mantle to Yelena
I expected nothing from this movie, so I had a pretty good time. Only thing I disliked was Red Guardian didn't get more fights and that Taskmaster sucked
@@emicadena2105 indeed. "Natasha, daughter of Ivan". I like the callback to Dreyghov's daughter...it comes straight from her interrogation of Loki in The Avengers on the helicarrier, when Loki tries to goad her by bringing up this incident that he made Clint reveal to him.
