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Great info! Just switched from bro split to PPL. I think both are great and the most important thing is switching it up. Your body gets used to a certain method and at that point, you're just maintaining. Switch it up for new gains.
I’ve done every split going 3x week, upper lower, PPL, Bro Split, done light weights more reps, 5x5 strength programs they all have there pros and cons. I’m currently doing a Bro split after coming out of a PPL cycle and I’m loving it. Just that focus on one group at a time and ensuring they get the amount of work they need just gives you that piece of mind and it’s fun to play around with the intensity without worrying about it affecting other body parts.
We are all different, no way I´m following a program that only hits a body part once a week. I just don´t feel right doing it and it doesn´t make me progress at all. I prefer to do 2 chest exercises on Monday and do them again on Thursday/Friday. It makes me increase weights every month. Plus the 3rd and 4th chest exercises on a bro split are a complete disgrace, almost useless because I´m already tired on that body part. Imo Bro Split is way to go for gear users, not natty. I don´t see big natty guys on youtube using bro splits
@@PedroS-ig1wr Bro splits works for natties as well as all splits work for natties. You can program a bro split to hit each body part twice a week by doing two sessions a day of morning and evening. That what a lot of old school natty body builders use to do
This dude always is on point. He actually thinked about the topics. He took his time to think for many questions and he put his own opinion on everything. Admiration!
Never liked or got good results from push pull legs. Its obviously individual, but a variation of a "bro split" i personally have seen the best results and improvements from.
Bro split is alright. Recovery is much more important than training. i experienced it with ppl and 3-4 days of rest for a body part was not enough for me. Was always plateauing and deloading.
@@agrlklarkemirenpanda660 yeah it's definitely all individual based, what works for some doesnt for others etc. Nothing wrong with either, just have to do what your body/genetics respond to. Also what you enjoy doing, how you enjoy training. I personally just dont enjoy push pull legs & then an arm day , I also don't enjoy the typical bro split of chest, back, shoulders, legs, arms then 1-2 days off then repeat. Ive found after almost 20 years of training, injuries, several surgeries etc that a modified version of a "bro split" both gets me the best results for muscle growth, strength gains & maintaining leanness. Modifying the bro split also keeps me mentally into, engaged in & enjoying and also challenging both physically and mentally.
@@agrlklarkemirenpanda660For PPL you need to reduce volume. Muscle protein synthesis peaks within 48 hours of lifting, after that muscle growth is minimal. So doing less daily volume allows you to get more volume over time.
AMAZING TIMING! I've been wondering this for awhile. Been doing PPL for a long time but I'm running some shit now so I thought of switching to bro split. You're the man!
not only is this PHENOMENAL info - but I've also been doing something very similar to this for a while since a shoulder replacement Thank You Sir for reiterating.
You’re hands down the most entertaining and informative gym RU-vidr I’ve ever watched. I’ve been watching you for a few years and you’re super funny and down to earth and actually break down the mechanics and reasoning behind the lifts. You’re the GOAT 🐐
I love your honesty about the gear. I've been trying to learn as much as possible and I have found a few channels where they don't acknowledge certain aspects. It helps set a realistic expectation for myself. Thank you!
I built myself with the bro split, but I have been doing a lot of functional fitness recently. I’ve tried PPL so many times and always think it’s just not enough for me. I really want to try your program with PPL and functional workouts in there. I have your size program for bro split, I think you should release an PPL program, would be sweet. Love the white board videos and all the other videos
We are all different, no way I´m following a program that only hits a body part once a week. I just don´t feel right doing it and it doesn´t make me progress at all. I prefer to do 2 chest exercises on Monday and do them again on Thursday/Friday. It makes me increase weights every month. Plus the 3rd and 4th chest exercises on a bro split are a complete disgrace, almost useless because I´m already tired on that body part. Imo Bro Split is way to go for gear users, not natty. I don´t see big natty guys on youtube using bro splits
Like Dorian’s split. I put shoulders/triceps first because they are my weak points due to an old bicep tendon repair, legs (meaning full leg including calves), rest, biceps/chest, back, rest and recovery on the weekends. Been doing this for about six weeks after a bro split of two or three months. I throw in a low rep power workout for shoulders, tris, bis, and leg (I say leg as I’m an above the knee amputee). I’m supplementing with aminos, including citrolene and Taurine, DHEA, ashwaganda, and axathantan. At seventy nine I’m still making gains. Been lifting off and on (mostly on) since 1958. Love the weights, love to lift, never gets old. You don’t get weak because you get old, you get old because you get weak.
I'm a massive fan and thank you for keeping it real and talking straight with no BS! I'm a huge proponent of PPL. I don't follow a 7 day split, so just do whatever workout on whichever day it falls and take a rest day when I feel i need it. I realise you say for a pro you'd recommend the bro split...would that still be true if you were training/advising a natural bodybuilder? Thanks and keep on enjoying life😀
I’ve done Bro splits for years, but after listening/watching this, I think going PPL will help me stay excited and flexible with my workouts as an airline pilot! I’ve gotten frustrated at times due to either poorly equipped “gyms” or odd schedule allowing for a good Bro split. Thanks for spending time on this and sharing!!
I’ve been running John Meadows Colossus and Creeping Death 2 programs in a rotating fashion. Both are push pull legs and you have a base push, pull and leg workout and a pump push, pull and leg workout. I love it honestly
Keep up the great work!! I’m 42 and use a crap ton of your recommendations. You’ve brought this old out of shape carpenter back to life by inspiring me to get back in the gym, so thank you very much!
i haven't watched your videos in a while tbh to the point i forgot how entertaining you are yet very much informative its so good of a combination and lil he pretty much got me on the part when hes daid "ok remember all we talked about on the bro split you can pretty much throw that shit out the window" after switching to push pull legs lmaooo its so gooddd
This topic is right up my alley, as I had done the same switch from Bro Splits to Push/Pull in my older age. When I was younger, I did bro splits religiously. It was all I knew, all the guys in M&F did it that way and I wasn't open-minded enough to think anything else worked. I never really heard of Push/Pull and 3x/week full-body workouts were for chicks and dudes that read Men's Fitness. Bro splits were great and like he said, I was excited about it, dedicated, and saw great results. As I got older (mid-30s) I started to find less time to be in the gym, so I would miss body parts every week - usually biceps, legs, and maybe shoulders. Chest and back seemed to be my go-to's and I would feel like if you missed a day, you had to wait for the week to repeat itself. Obviously, this wasn't working and I lost interest in weight lifting for a few years. I got more into other forms of exercise, but I was bored with lifting. Then, as I turned 40, I started to re-evaluate things and got my motivation back. As Seth said, I don't look at it like a week, anymore. I just lift when I can, rest when I can, and plan my gym days around my dynamic work (and life) schedule. I'm just trying to feel good, look good, and be able to do physical tasks without feeling like I'm 60 - which is where it was headed, before I came up with this new plan. I just look at it like a cycle, with other things like swimming, yoga, pilates, hiking thrown in there. I started about 10 months ago being really consistent and studying the science more deeply behind the exercises, so I can get the most out of the 3-4 days I can make it to the gym. If I miss a day, I just do it the next time I can. If I can go 4 days in a row, I will. And I will just figure out which heads of the muscle I hit last time and focus on the ones I didn't hit as hard, this time. Now, I do Push/Pull, with legs included in each - Quads/calves on Push, Hams/Glutes on Pull. Each workout contains about the number of sets and exercises he recommended, anywhere from 2-4/muscle group. But, as I said earlier, I try and target the heads or regions of each muscle, or even the muscle's functions. So, it would look like: Chest - upper, mid, lower; Back - Lats, Upper/Middle, Lower; Bi's - long head, short head, brach; Shoulders - front (Push), side (Push), rear (Pull Day) delts; Hams/Glutes - hip hinge movement, knee flexion movement, etc... Then, I would vary the exercises based on Compound vs. Iso, Angles/Stances/Movements, different grips/grip widths, etc. to try and hit each muscle entirely during the 4-day Push/Pull cycle. There is no guarantee I'm in the gym on a particular day. I just try and make sure I don't go beyond 2-3 rest days in a row. Those rest days are usually when my schedule gets wild, or I have to travel and can't make it to a gym. Like my early days, I'm more of a hobbiest, who is more serious than most hobbyists, because the gym is a sanctuary to me. But, I'm not competing, nor have I ever done so. So, this new Push/Pull, with legs included gives me a chance to be way more consistent, way more interested, and way more motivated to see how great I can manage to look in my early 40s. I have actually done way more leg training this way - more than I ever did. And that is a lot of the motivation these days - keeping my hinge points oiled up and working properly. Right now, it is push/pull that leads the charge. The bros splits are probably a thing of the past for me, and 3x/week full body didn't really keep me very consistent for the several weeks I tried it and didn't have the flexibility the Push/Pull does. The push/pull allows me to rest properly, train hard the days I do, and select whatever exercises I need to or want to do that particular day. And I still have another day coming up soon to fill in the gaps. Lastly, I will say that it was SO refreshing to hear that Seth makes up new workouts all the time, even day to day. I always found that to be the fun part. It was like a playground every day. I can't stand this Tik Tok/IG trend where "fitness coaches" and "influencers" are telling everyone we aren't seeing results, like them of course, because we "change up your workouts too much." And we should be like them, because are consistent and that's why they look so good (in the right pose and lighting). No, they don't. Oversized asses with no definition in their legs, other than building tree trunks, and bragging about how much time they spend in the "jim" and how much they eat, isn't my idea of people we should be listening to. I have varied my workouts my whole life and did great. It was fun and to me, there is no difference in hitting upper chest, for example, several different ways throughout the program cycle. You can do BB press this week, DB press next time, throw in a Hammer machine. As I mentioned above, to me it is all about just making sure you hit upper, mid, lower chest in the exercises you select. These influencer people are so full of shit. Because they found the gym 2 years ago, they're all experts. Nope. I like hearing shit from guys like this. I'm the same way - not a doctor, not a scientist, not even a competitor - just tried a million things over the last 25 years and figured out what worked for me and my lifestyle at the time. Great video and great topic!
I’ve been thinking about trying a PPL split but like you experienced bro Split fits my schedule, personality, and I love the volume of the bro split !!! If I do less then 20 sets I don’t feel like I’ve worked enough 😁
@@jeovanrios Because you are not working hard enough for your potential. If you do your sets as you should, 2-3 sets would be more then enough on exercise. Its sounds silly, until you work it out.
@@jeovanriospush pull legs main benefit is hitting every group twice a week. So your total weekly volume of a bro split would be halved to stimulate the muscles two times and allow them to recover two times each week so it’s normal for you to not feel like you’re doing enough with it while still making great gains
I doing PPLPP off off. Is that enough rest between body parts? If Monday is chest and tris the. Thursday. That’s 3 days. Two days off on weekend. This fits my schedule. What do you think?
This video helped a lot. I was always confused about how to properly train for a push pull legs split and this just answered all my questions. Thank you for this video
Used to do the chest/tri, shoulders, back/bi, then legs...little similar to dorian yates and I've seen results with it. However now I'm doing HIT chest/back, legs, shoulders/arms, legs and repeat, with rest days in between each workouts and boy...results are actually scary. Because i take rest days between my workouts it makes me so eager to wanna go to the gym everytime but i know the recovery is important, it's pretty damn motivating.
Same here. Built my foundation via bro split for 6 years. Took time off and have been doing PPL. It fits my lifestyle much better, and as you said…. It’s more fun! Cheers to a great video!
I literally was looking at this yesterday. It was scary you posted a video today about it. Good news, I've already been doing one of these programs. Thanks for the video Seth.
Love your energy bro...super motivational and educational at the same time...Big thank you all the way from South Africa...keep up the great content💪👊👍
@@stephenmccann3407 I tried ppl for 8 weeks after many years of a bro split , hated it got nothing out of it I even lost strength, so it's back to the split that I benefit more from and that has kept me consistent and most importantly enjoy doing! None of this science basedvmost optimal garbage l!
@@barrybarnett731 couldn't agree more. I feel people always lime the shiniest new toy, so they throw what has worked for decades out the window for so gimmicky worl out plan
Currently on a 5 days bro split (Legs, chest, back, shoulders, arms) that I absolutely love and fits my schedule. I start the week with the legs so I don't have to think about it for the next 6 days 😅. I also like to do a PPL split for 2 months per year (Push A, Pull A, Legs A, day off, Push B, Pull B, Legs B, then day off again).
My split is : Shoulders - Tri finisher Back - bicep finisher Chest - forearms Legs - calves Day off -- home ab workout or light cardio post legs with abs to help with soreness. Net is 6 rotations a month.
First time I watched a 30 min video completely without realising it! Thanks for the fucking clear and inspiring explanation🙏 Salute and respect from the Netherlands
I used to do a bro split for many years with good results. Once I heard that the PPL workout is probably better for naturals since naturals only experience recovery through muscle protein synthesis for 36 to 48 hours (compared to enhanced lifters who experience it for an entire week), I switched to the PPL. Ever since then my results really improved.
Wierd because i am training close to PR every day on PPL and i was destroyed completely, no way if you train hard on PPL you can recover proper, ofc if your weight range is around 55% to 65% weight of PR than you probably can, but again for natural lifters in order to grown progressive overload and lifting heavy is the MAJOR factor of building muscle.
@@dickofthesheepI've gotten around this by using Candido style, alternating my work sets with heavy and medium days. First Push workout is 3-5reps @85%, next push workout is 8-10reps @ 70%, etc. I also go Legs Push Pull Rest so I always get 48hrs between Deads and Squats
I alternate between bro splits & PPL, I might change it up every 6-12mo. When I do PPL, my first leg day is quad focused and the second leg day is combined with the second back day and that one is hamstring/glute focused. That's how I fit PPL into a 7-day schedule.
I've found it better to do bro split because I take longer to recover than 3 days and legs take a whole week to recover usually. I'm also working manual labor so being sore all over is hard to compensate for than say just my shoulders. With a bro split I can usually just change my movement by using different muscles. Having only one leg day and it being on Friday helps a lot considering that gives me 2 days of recovery before I work again.
Not training to failure helps with recovery. Stopping 2 reps before complete failure allows you to recover faster and you build 90-95% as much muscle as if you went to failure. Also people train way too many exercises on a muscle(I used to and would be sore for days) and I’m making my best ever results right now doing say 2 exercises on chest(bench press and a fly) with 3 sets each and than doing chest again 3 days later. Hitting a muscle(by making sure it’s recovered) 2 times a week has been a game changer in building muscle for me. But I have to go to the gym 6 days a week and everyday I’m sore. Just do what your goals and what makes you happy.
I personally do 2 push days and 2 pull days per week. I start push days with quads then do upper body. On pull day I do hamstrings and then upper body. Cardio on my 3 rest days.
Legs lacking or? Split working? Seems like not enough leg training, even tho prioritised as starting with them, I feel legs will get half a workout and upper body will too? Or is it working smooth for ya
@@jaywarner2029 for me, one intense leg day per week wasn’t resulting in very much strength gains. When I switched over to working out leg muscles four times a week they responded much better. I’m doing more volume per week then when I was doing a bro split leg day, it’s just divided into four workouts. Also the quality of the sets are better because I’m not doing all 25-30 sets in one session. The workouts are enough to trigger protein synthesis without making me walk like a newborn deer the next day. It’s like what Seth said, take what you learn and experiment to find out what works for you.
@@Kpass2012 Fairplay man, prefer the PPL split as can hit everything twice a week, did that from Natty for years and to enhanced also. Covers everything and you can always throw some bicep/tricep/shoulder work into beginning of your leg days. I find if you only do 2 working sets per exercise you'll hit it properly and also not waste sets on sets, my leg days consist of 6 exercises including calves and that's only 12 working sets. 👍❤
Monday: Back/Biceps, Tuesday: Legs, Wednesday: Chest/Shoulders/Triceps, Thursday: Back/Biceps, Friday: Legs, Saturday: Chest/Shoulders/Triceps, Sunday: Active Rest (walk, or swim or bike or hike, etc.. Simple with plenty of recovery.
@@fitnesslk depends on the gear you’re running. I train 6 days a week and make solid size gains. I am very enhanced though to help my recovery tremendously
A recommendation after doing PPL. After doing your regular PPL add a 4th day with 1-2 lacking body parts. I was, also, doing more of a Powerbuilding routine which it fit perfect with. Push was perfect for starting with your powerlifting bench press (6 sets of 2 reps, 5 x 5, 4 sets 3 reps). After that, do all presses for chest (usually 2 more exercises with 3-4 sets each). Finish out with 3 exercises of shoulders (3 sets) and 2 exercises of tricep (3-4 sets.) Pull was your deadlift day! Mind you that I would only recommend to deadlift once a week (especially if you're going heavy). I would then do pull ups (4 sets), lat pull down (3 sets), a trap exercise(4 sets), a row exercise (3 sets) and a seated cable row (usually close grip, 3 sets). Legs, I would do more volume work after going heavy on deadlifts. You might be sore. I didn't go any lower than 8 reps on this day. It was quad/calves. Now, on the 4th day I would do touch ups. I didn't do biceps on my back day and didn't do hardly any shoulders on Push day. Shoulders and biceps with 2 exercises of tricep. Your next pull day is no deadlifts, Full volume work. Your next leg day is your heavy squats with it being hamstring focused afterwards. Enjoy. This workout made me PR in every way. I changed my diet to 4,000 calories for a bulk and jumped up about 20 pounds naturally in about 6 months.
Honestly, the best honest video on BB. If every1 was as honest as you at least half of all the BB youtubers would be gone bc they taut bullshit - I LOVE you honesty and approach. 100% respect.
Trying a custom split atm and loving it. Day 1 torso (chest back and shoulders) Day 2 limbs (legs and arms) Day 3 rest Day 4 chest and back Day 5 legs and shoulders Day 6 arms Day 7 rest Might out shoulders from day 5 with arms on day 6 .
I just started doing the: Pull Legs Push Functional Training Pull Legs Push Rest I’ve been noticing big differences with recovery and intensity. I feel more amped up too
Seth. I love the program you released a while back 12 week size guide. It has been a big role in my journey from 300lbs to 170lbs. When might you make a new one that doesn't have typos? Refer to shoulders #2. Keep up the great work though Seth and your whole team! The last program is considered a bro split program. Would love to buy your program on a push pull leg program. I've made a few ppl routines. Now you just gave me ideas to do another ppl routine to break it up from your 12 week size guide
i figured out a 5 day split that works awesome for me and my work schedule day 1 - Pull (back, biceps, rear delts) day 2 - Legs (alternate anterior and posterior by week) day 3 - Push (Chest, Triceps, Shoulders) day 4 - Lower body (lower back, glutes, all Legs) day 5 - Upper body (chest, shoulders, upper back) day 6 - off day 7 - off cardio to be incorporated 10 minutes prior to workout
I used to do ppl. But as i got stronger, i couldn`t be able to recover well, was always tired. Now i`m doing a 4 day bro split. Shoulders (Front and Side delts), Triceps / Back, Rear Delts and Abs / Off / Chest and Biceps / Legs / weekend off. I feel great and getting better results.
I love both bro/ppl split, used both many times. I have found one perfect split that is basically a middle ground between the two to be a 4 on one off split. For example: Day 1: chest/tricep Day 2: back Day 3: leg Day 4:shoulder/bicep Rest Repeat days 1-4 You end up training everything twice in a nine day period, so not as frequent as ppl but more frequent than bro split. Also each workout still feels similar to the bro split because you can do very high volume each time. But also unlike the bro split you don't have to wait a whole week to train a body part.
Literally was going to say something very similar. Excellent explanation as the best split I find lies between ppl and bro split. Love both equally and being able to modify to get more frequency is very helpful for me
Nice! I have the exact same split💪 I also like it because back is on its own day and I can really focus on it instead of also trying to hit biceps. I try to throw in calves every other day and starting the workout by hitting them first, otherwise I won’t want to at the end.
I’m doing the Ronnie Coleman split which consists of this, and it’s working great for me. * Day 1: Back/Biceps/Shoulders (focusing on back width) * Day 2: Chest and Triceps * Day 3: Legs and Abs * Day 4: Back, Biceps, and Shoulders (focusing on back thickness ) * Day 5: Chest and triceps * Day 6: Legs, abs * Day 7: Rest
Thank you, been looking for someone to help me get a better understanding of how to structure a workout. Do to the lack of time and money i have been having to workout at home for the past year. God bless you sir. 💪🙌
The bro split for sure has built my foundation but I have incorporated the PPL style for 2 weeks and then the bro split for 2 weeks. I just love to mix it up and make it fun. And adding two to three rest days through out the week has helped a bunch. Make it fun and have a good time.
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Thank you set for the valuable time you put in to it, one recommendation the green marker sucks on the screen see the black marker how it appears, thanks 💪🏼 keep us on the game.
Your whole philosophy got me out of a massive rut W,hen I hit a plateau? It took me hearing you say just do it works for you. I was so stuck in sad split and all that I got overwhelmed. Thanks for the great content!
I’ll save this video as a great explanation to training. I’m doing Bro split just as that the only way I’ve ever trained. I’ll see how my gains go and then change as necessary. I like the idea of routine variety to keep things interesting. Lots of great tips. Thanks.
This video was extremely helpful. I knew about the bro split before but it didn’t make much sense to me before watching this. I think the bro split might work for me and I’m going to give it a try for a few weeks to see what kind of results I get. Thanks again for content man! Young guys like me need this kind of information.
Great video! I like push, pull, legs work outs because of the variety. Recently I've been hitting legs on a pull or push day to bring up my legs. I've been doing 4 days 3 days off. After watching your video I'm going to do 3 days on, 1 off, 2 days on! I'm pumped!