Campus Activism, Gen Z, and Locals w/ Isabel Brown 

This show was also my gateway drug into Catholicism! lmaoo I’ve been attending Latin Mass regularly and hope to start RCIA classes this September God willing!

“Never expect someone to change their mind in front of you” How beautiful! This is something the people in my life who planted seeds in my mind about the truth of Catholicism did. It was 6 years ago that my aunt first shared her testimony of conversion from Protestantism to Catholicism after I shared my urge to walk away from Faith completely. That was the first thing that got me thinking. Now I will be confirmed this Saturday alongside my husband at the Easter Vigil into the Holy Catholic Church ❤

As a college student I've never liked how many youth leaders/speakers pander to my generation by making Catholicism "cool". We want to be treated like adults and have the faith presented to us as it is.

1997 gen z here. I’m in tears! Thank you Isabel for being a peer I can look up to who shares my ideas and my fire for Christ and Catholicism. I don’t have anyone similar to me in my personal life, so your work really is helping me navigate life and feel like I’m not alone ❤

I'm Christian. All of you new age Catholics are giving us a lot of faith. Stay strong.

She is absolutely right when she says that respect and calmness can help change people's minds. I grew up steeped in leftist propaganda and thought all conservatives were evil. It was calm, respectful conservatives that helped me come to the truth.

I'm not even five minutes in and LOVE this girl, she's so sweet and so relatable

Isabel is radiant and articulate! She definitely has me thinking more about my faith. I'm currently non denominational but have felt drawn recently to learn more about Orthodoxy and Catholicism. Great talk. God bless.

One of the things that drew me to Catholicism was how subversive it is. I’ve since grown to love every aspect but it drew me as a 20 year old man who knew the world is broken

Converted soul here, almost 3 years of faith in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ! God bless you all, let's hang on to hope, there is no place for nihilism in catholicism!

Thank you, Isabel, for noting what I saw in Israel, too: Catholic churches everywhere, which were how all of the important Christian sites were saved. My baptist sister's best friend, a non-denom preacher- even said going with a Catholic group was the best way to go because "the Catholics saved Christianity and our history!" BTW, neither my sister or her friend heard the irony of that statement as they are still away from the Church. Anyway, there is nothing like being in a church that is centuries old where we know Jesus walked. Makes me emotional even now, a year later! The most impactful for me moment was seeing the Anointing stone where His body was prepared for the tomb. A trip every Christian should take.

Thank you for having her on! I used to follow all the conservative creators closely but began to notice the anti-Catholic rhetoric as well. I was also frustrated with Isabel on just calling herself a Christian and appearing to go along with Protestant beliefs + inappropriate adoration towards the founding fathers/conservative movement in general. It is amazing to hear she has gone out on her own, as nudged by the Holy Spirit, in order to speak the full truth in an undimmed light!

A conservative is someone who seeks to preserve what is true, good, and beautiful 25:44

This is so refreshing to hear, I have not finished the episode yet but I just needed to say it is so liberating to hear someone from my generation that I can relate to so much. I love listening to all of your podcasts but theres just something different when I listen to someone my age. It gives me hope. Amen

She is SO great! So sensible, so clear-sighted!

@29:20 "we want reverence, we want tradition" I LOVE it!❤

I was just received into the church! Thank you Matt and all your guests for informing me on my faith! I’m a fourteen year old convert with atheist parents so you guys are some of the best Catholic education I get! Thank you and God bless you, and if you could, please pray for my parents!

This young woman is electric.

I adore Isabel so much ! I’m almost a 60 year old teacher and so so glad there are beautiful young women like her out there on the gram ! I share her content with my younger friends all the time !🙏❤️

Makes me happy to hear Isabel talk about the TLM!

A protestant here married to a Catholic. The hate goes both ways. We attend both protestant and Catholic Church as a family. And we both roll our eyes when we hear one attacking the other. It’s sad, because compromise happens in lots of churches today regardless of denomination. Recently, we saw a man dressed in full, make up and women’s clothes being allowed to partake in the eucharist. And there was a rainbow flag in the Catholic church as well. My husband and I view all Christians to be our brothers and sisters in Christ. And we definitely try to bridge that gap and show love and understanding. We are each members of the same body just different parts. I think that’s a beautiful thing and that’s how Christ can reach us all. We have both respectfully learned so much from both protestant and Catholic teachings. Great discussion God bless

Madam, you are a fountain of optimism and joy. Enjoyed your interview. Your world is so different from my Boomerdom. I say, new soil, new plants. In my day, getting the time from an Apple or calling someone on a Blackberry would have landed one in the loony bin. The future is bright. Good luck!

Matt it’s so good interviewing that somehow he transitioned from content creation to cadavers to prolive, and it’s only 10 minutes into the interview! Awesome

Wow!! I am so so, so, very encouraged by you!! I am of the older generation (70) and we have despaired for the future of our country and the church. You give me hope!! You go girl!!!

Lovely young Catholic woman.

I want to listen to a conversation between Isabel and Fr Mike Schmitz because they both talk fast, hehe. But in all seriousness, I enjoyed this! I pray that she continues to be a voice of hope!

I loved this episode! You can really tell that Isabel truly believes in Catholicism and in helping others. I'm inspired!

Isabel Brown: you are an amazing young person and very well-spoken. I have shared your interview with my kids as an example of bringing people to Jesus with truth and love. Keep up the great work.

I really enjoyed this episode. I remember Isabel Brown from her days at Turning Point. She is awesome and didn't even know she is a fellow catholic. I sent this to my oldest kids who are Gen Z'rs. Thanks for this episode.

Isabel, i have to tell you my wife and me lived and worked in Israel for 12 years, and it does change your life, and also for me i saw black people in a different way. Before i couldn't look or be around Black people.

How did I miss this one!? A month late ! Isabel is a legend!

Thank you, especially for the quote from St Matthew about love growing cold, I will try harder to add love when spreading truth.🙏🕯🌹🕊❤️

This girl is a powerhouse. Surprised so few likes and comments

You know, I was wondering what was missing in my non-denom church, and yeah, I agree! My church seems better than most non-denoms, but still. It really does seem like they do not go into detail, they seem to not have enough reverence, they focus less on Jesus and more on pop culture a lot of the time, etc. Good Christians, but we protestants really do need to get more conservative.

Went to CSU with her !!! Remember having a few conversations with her on campus!

Prayers for Isabel Brown, wonderful young Catholic. Praise God you are home, back in Mother Church!

I just wanted to say I am a newly baptized Lutheran, very proud of my faith AND I love a respect this podcast, keep up the good work fellas!

😢 I’m taking Organic Chemistry next semester. Prays appreciated.

Oh. My gosh, does she sound like Cameron. Cameron Fradd, I mean. I turned away from the screen ... and I think Isabel was talking about health, death threats and biology when suddenly I felt like I was listening to a whole 'nother interview. Wow is this trippy!

Isabel, i was a Catholic until 20, and i found too much hypocrisy in the curch i was attending every Sunday, i decided to leave the church. At 31, i got married to Jewish woman in the Rabbi's studio, but still i wasn't a converted Jew. My wife didn't want me to convert. Now, i realize why, because when i met her the Jewish culture fascinated me in all aspects of life. She wasn't a synagogue goer, and with me i would of practiced it more than she ever would. We did celebrate the Jewish Holidays and the Catholic ones.

Great conversation! Isabel is not judgemental and is very inviting of everyone to join the Catholic Church. As a Lefty Catholic who has had some bad experiences with bad judgmental religious people, this makes me have hope and makes me more proud of my faith and young people like her.

Ive been waiting for this since she posted it!

I wish I could have your optimism on our generation Isabel..

I also find I'm suddenly falling in love more with our faith as Catholics, and I'm excited to learn as much as I can. It's so deep and beautiful 😍🤍

Love the part at 13 minutes where she talks about getting a relationship with the police. So many people don't actually press charges when they should

Great episode!!

How many hours? At this point anything under 3 hours is a surprise.

Fantastic episode! 😊

Matt, the porn actress was Brandi Love, who went in her real name, as an attendee. She was recognised, Turning Point was notified. Charlie decided to have her told to leave, with a refund if I remember correctly. Charlie said that she was asked to leave because there were minors present and Turning Point, a youth organisation has a duty to provide a wholesome environment, and the actress is a current and active in the adult industry. That's sbout it

Amazing conversation

Thanks for teach us how to really do what pope Francisco always teach... gracias y bendiciones

Yes Matt was a gateway to Catholicism! He helped me “cross the Tiber” 🙏🏼✝️ Love Isabell! It’s going to be fun to watch her “grow up” in this hot mess of the world

I do see the issues with Millennials, trust me I TOTALLY do. But they do get thrown under the bus a lot...and I feel so much compassion and pity for my generation because they have been lied to and pushed into a lot of these issues we are seeing. There is a strong movement with mothers my age who are doing what gen z is doing/saying too. So...I think we are seeing with younger millennials a lot of the same trends we are seeing with much of gen z. For example, I am meeting so many millennial families who are converting to Catholicism and getting into homesteading and such. Anyway, I keep being told my generation is the WORST and gen z is doing/saying all the things that a lot of my friends (millennials) are doing/saying too. I think a lot of milennials, especially on the younger end with young kids, are in the same boat as older generation z. My rant is now ended :) Loved this interview! Just felt I needed to stand up for my generation a little :)

What a charming and impressive young lady (yes, I'm no longer young, almost 50, which just really hit me reading that sentence back!)

What an amazing young woman! Praise be to our Lord Jesus Christ 🙏🙏

THANK YOU. you sound sane to me compared to the popular commentators out there!! I've been trying to understand how the daily wire talks about people, but this is how I really feel. 😭😭 we NEED to come in with VISIBLE compassion and truth.

YES!!

I think you’re actually using effeminate in its correct sense. Fr Ripperger says it means something like unwillingness to cope with something unpleasant

The Diocese of Cincinnati, in their spiritual gift inventory, considers spiritual gifts as talents and gifts that lead us into prayer and a deeper relationship with God. This girl’s spiritual gift is scientific knowledge.

Good video

Thank you for demystifying the Jeep -> duckie phenomenon!! I just asked myself this a few days ago !

This was great.

Matt is being really gracious concerning protestant non-denominational congregations, and I certainly appreciate that, but even as a protestant, I have to agree that 99% of what's out there is exactly as Isabel describes. Finding a good place to fellowship and worship is like finding the proverbial needle in the hay stack.

41:49 In the context our consumer-driven, perfectionist society we treat people as if they are disposable just as clothes can be. When they no longer fit, have a stain, a hole, a rip, a broken zipper or simply don’t fit a new trend, we throw them away, sell them or donate them. The cost of fixing/adjusting the piece of clothing, is much more effort and money than buying a new piece at the store. Similarly in relationships, the cost of forgiving and growing better is far more than starting a new friendship/relationship (or at least that’s our perception). When there arises a snag in a relationship, a disagreement, a turn-off, a flaw or imperfection, we decide with our “all-or-nothing” consumer mindset that there has to be a better sweater out there and leave broken people behind us.

You could be another Helen Alvare or Maryann Glendon, both invaluable to true Catholic teaching.

I found it very odd when I went to traditional Catholic Masses in the USA and there were American flags up in the sanctuary. I've never seen a country's flag in the sanctuary at Mass in any other country.

Isabel for president!

Love her

*INCOMING LONG COMMENT* The part of 'Coming out Catholic' in this episode, I can relate to a lot of what Isabel Brown is saying about her friends asking her a bunch of questions about the Catholic church and the origins of it, I was born and raised in a catholic family, I go to church every Saturday evening mass with my family for my entire life but I never dive deep into faith, as my dad would put it I was merely knowing and hearing about Jesus all in my head, I did the practices by attending mass, but I never experienced Him or wanted to have a relationship with Him when I was young, it all felt to me like a duty back then. It was when I went into college in 2019 or when I meet non-Catholics and atheists' friends in an online game once, one of them was particularly curious about Christianity, Jesus and Catholicism, at first, I didn't mind answering some questions of his, so I told him if he's curious about the church I can answer what I knows best, but it got to a point where he started to ask more and more seemingly rude and mean questions (kind of ironic for someone who claims to only believe in logic and science), sort of challenging my faith in God and it becomes outwardly rude. He would share these random TikToks or YT shorts of people who misinterpret the Bible's word or Trump's prayer assistant claiming to pray in tongues, I experienced the prayer of tongues before, it was not shouting and yelling. Anyways, one of the questions I remember him asking me is if we are allowed to eat pork or not, because in the Old Testaments Exodus, it was recorded certain animals are not to be eaten, which was pointed out in the TikTok he shared to me, even though before the sharing of this video I already answered his question that we are not restricted to any food in the Bible and my family does weekly fasting on Friday to abstain meat in our diet. He then shared that particular video to mock my answer and made it clear he didn't believe in my answer and that I didn't know better in my faith because apparently to him my points were not convincing enough, he even laughed at me for not knowing this in the Bible and that I'm 'sinning' to God. Although what he did was really mean and disrespectful, I felt challenged and wanted to prove him wrong, it then fired me up to study the Bible more intensely, asking prayer warriors or leaders about the Bible and Jesus, this was when I started to deepen my faith in the Lord. After studying more about the Bible, I told him the video he shared cannot be trusted fully for the creator was obviously not a follower of Christ, her video was created to mock Christians for eating meat and misinterpreting the message of God. I showed him the New Testament, Acts 10 where Peter was approached by God with all types of animals on a white cloth and asked Peter to eat it. After all that, he didn't care, he continued to mock my answer and just kept rebutting. We aren't friends anymore, but after so many years if I ever see him again I would like to thank him for deepening my faith in God, without his curiosity I don't think I would learn more, although it started out as a 'I want to prove you wrong' mindset, it shifted from that, I started to find God for meaning and purpose in my life, it made me ask myself the hard questions like what is my relationship with God if I don't know the answer to these questions too. Now I am still on that journey, I just finished my confirmation on Easter Vigil, and I just want to deepen my faith and relationship with God and hopefully spread His goodness around this world. I started praying the rosary more than I did years ago, although it's a struggle because there are days, I just want to be lazy, but hearing about the wonders of God's power working through prayer motivates me to pray more, because so many people out there need to experience that power of His and if prayer helps these people that's enough to keep me going. Thank you so much for this episode! As a fellow Gen Z, it feels good to know there are fellow people in my generation that shared the same values and mindset in life.

The grossest thing of cadaver lab is the smell. The smell of the chemicals are apparent. Not decay. It doesn’t bother you at first, but subsequent visits with the cadaver will start to get to you.

I’ve gone to two progressive universities (Ivy League schools). While so-called conservative viewpoints are certainly not as widely celebrated as so-called liberal ones, the self-imposed victimhood of conservative voices is a bit much. The more intellectual sides of conservative thought (i.e., the Federalist Society) are very well funded and well supported. Isabel seems very bright but a lot of what Turning Point puts out isn’t particularly in line with Catholic thought or traditional conservatism (i.e., truly stupid characterization of basically all government as “socialism,” apparent bigotry toward minority TPUSA staffers internally, at times slavish dedication to Trump’s candidacy over conservative principles). I think most good-faith Catholics, even those that otherwise support TPUSA, acknowledge that there's a lot of toxicity in the movement. People need to understand that “the right to free speech” isn’t a guarantee that you can say whatever you want and not get roundly criticized or shouted down for it. In most cases I’ve seen, conservatives voices complain when they receive that reaction. (That said, I hope CSU was proactive in addressing the threats against Isabel, because that is disgusting.) Editing to add: As a former non denom (converted to Catholicism in college), I think Catholicism obviously offers the richest intellectual tradition, but claiming that Christians can't get a super rich and rewarding intellectual life through nondenom churches is just plain ignorance and frankly isn't helping anyone. Søren Kierkegaard and Dietrich Bonhoeffer weren't Catholics, C.S. Lewis wasn't a Catholic, Tim Keller wasn't a Catholic, and their intellectual influence has brought tons upon tons of people to faith...

On Isabel’s comment about not knowing what party one belongs to. Neither party is truly catholic. However, certain Catholics align themselves with the Republican Party because of pro-life issues (most commonly abortion issues) while others align themselves with the Democrat Party because of things like immigration.

I officially have a new girl crush. This chick is on fire!!

Was this not uploaded to the podcast feed? I listen on PocketCasts and a few of the episodes haven't come up lately but are on YT

1:30:32 I think it is true that although church is not about you, it is for you, if that makes sense.

Is there something about cultivating in our children a point of rebelling and then parents backing off while displaying an example of appropriate rebellion? I’m thinking specifically rebelling against the world. Is it truly a necessity of children breaking off of parents for them to rebel? Or can growth and independence of identity occur without it? And how can we as parents cultivate that early on?

40:00 St. Vitalis of Gaza 😊

Woman here. I have a very big nothing box. I can sit and literally think about nothing for long stretches of time.

🙏💯🙏

I loved organic chemistry, but I was a Medicinal Chem major…now a PharmD

She's right about Gen Z. My Gen Z kids are uninterested in Social Media but are into Trading and Investing. I'm so impress with them; all the things they're doing, wasn't even on my mind when I was their age. I was into clubbing and going out drinking and puking the night away. My kids don't even go clubbing. They'll spend the night on Robinhood trading and investing. You go Gen Zs.

@CatholicLofi !!!!!!! Yes!

Why did the episode end so abruptly?

Well, she really reminds me of Cameron with the way she talks in her mannerisms. Are they from the same part of the country?

I've had my Jeep for 13 years and no rubber ducks. I feel so left out...

Love ot

I strongly disagree when she said there isn’t intellectualism in Protestantism. I grew up Catholic & any questions I had were discouraged & I was told to just have faith. I completely left Christianity for ten+ years. By Gods grace I’ve been finding my way back to Christ. I am attending an evangelical church & am on my 6th Bible study in a row where I’m encouraged to ask questions. My faith has grown more in the last 4 years studying Protestant apologetics & my current church is very much alive & focuses on personal relationship with Jesus & being biblically literate. In my experience growing up Catholic we were focused on tradition & rituals of the church & not knowing Jesus & the word of God

Is there more or is that actually the end?

Is this a repost or a Locals livestream?

“No one can define conservative” sounds exactly like “no one can define feminism”. It’s dangerous when things lose their meaning.

When was this interview?

I wish they would talk more about Catholicism instead of fluffing up the timeline with tangents.

I haven't seen this episode come across on Spotify. Is Matt scaling back from that platform?

Why isn’t this on any podcasts?

34:30 to 34:51 is a hilarious vibe kill by the host 😅

Hasn’t this already aired before?

ca. 43, she said she observed the increasing anti-Catholic sentiment in the conservative circles in the past two years. Anyone here could elaborate on that? It's not something I've noticed, so would be interested to know what to be vigilant to. I mean, there's always been distrust from some Evangelical or Baptist circles against Catholicism, but it's nothing new. Not sure if that's what she's referring to or is there something new?

Should be a terrific conversation.

No one: facts on dating comes up Matt: is it because of porn?

34:15 have 62% of Zoomers really started their own business? I'd be interested to see the source of that claim if anyone knows it. Fascinating if so.