Hi Kevin, from what I have read the Eclipse trap door has a little snib that locks up the assembly so after a while upon regular usage it wears a witness groove into the aluminium cylinder face. Great job as always. Matt.
Im really glad i Stumbled upon pellets and pistons...your laid back approach and your vid,s are great !....ive learned something today...Thank you...Tom in England...👏👏👏👏👍
Hi Kevin, Thank you for your extremely informative video. In showing us this footage, you've shown us the correct way to take apart our air rifles and then put them back together. You've given us the courage to do so, and with that in mind, given us a mindset of tackling other issues and situations that may arise. I appreciate your kindness as many of us don't have anyone to ask and so nice, with modern technology to have you here with us, taking us through, step by step. Thank you. Ps. I knew you'd get the 🔔 , 😆.
@Pellets And Pistons Airgun Channel Thank you Sir, you're very welcome. You've given me the inspiration, enthusiasm, and direction to do things I wouldn't normally do. These should have been things I would have done with my late father. However, life took that opportunity away. Thank you.
I already commented on Part 1, but thanks again for taking the time to put this video together. I just needed to get mine apart to check the condition of the piston seal and clean out the massive amounts of "tune in a tube" that somebody had squirted in there. Reassembled it does kinda sound a lot more like your "before" shot, but I just reassembled it stock for now and will work on tuning when I have more time.
You made a great job of that mate. I have one of these over here in the uk and it has the same problem. I'll give mine the same treatment. Thanks for taking the time to produce such an informative video. New subscriber here.............Cheers
Good job Kevin, my ecllpse was tuned by SFS here according to the previous owner, It shot how yours sounded after your tune so was one of the few springers i never had apart, sold it to a freind who still has it.
fine job sir , also in springers that have the cocking notch (side release )at the side of the piston ,you can also change the spring for a gasram ,from hatsan ,those you can pump up with a pcp handpump ,tof ine tune it
Hi Kevin on a different note I've just taken delivery of a 20 year old early mk3 air arms tx200hc( hunter carbine ) in 177 these are fantastic springers if you ever get the chance give one ago I think you'll be impressed the HC or hunter carbine as it's called is crazy accurate and the barrel is only 244mm long I've known pistols with longer barrels
A TX200 is definitely on my buy list. I'd rather buy a used rifle as the $1000 price tag for a new left hand TX200 is just hard for me to justify. Someday I'll get my hands on one. Thanks again Phillip.
Hi Kevin crackin job I always put piston sleeves in my guns makes a massive difference I use different thicknesses of PTFE sheet to suit the gap between the spring and piston. Love ya videos Kevin all the best phill from the other side of the pond 👍
Thanks Phill! I'm gonna' start using PTFE as well. It oughta' hold together better than a soda bottle. Besides, the different thicknesses will suit a wider variety of guns. Great to hear from you. Sorry to learn about the Queen's passing. Thanks again for watching.
@@razor1962 Hi Kevin thx for your kind words yes it was a shock to the entire country we knew she wasn't well but did know how unwell she was RIP your majesty
Well done Kevin! I hope the airgun manufactures will also learn something😁Just a bit of plastic or ptfe sheet won't make the airgun more expensive. Cheers!
In all fairness, I have no idea how long this sleeve will last. Still, it'd be nice to purchase a new rifle that shot as smooth as this Eclipse does now. Thanks as always my friend.
@@razor1962 I have yet to have a plastic sleeve fail and Very Few people shoot as many rounds as I do every day. 😉 I am overdue to shoot an actual long term "Torture Test" ??? 🤔
@@marcmyers1465 Hi Mark! Just got my hands on a very nice Diana mod.75 match rifle. 😁 Also very good price😀 Hopefully i will get it this week with the post. I will order a new service kit for it. (springs, front and rear piston sleeves and breech seal) No big money for a kit. Than i,m sure everything is okey😉You don't see them so often. It seems that they are hard to find. Should be very well made, like the 300S. Cheers Ron
@@rapalaron6348 One of the Finest match triggers made ! 😀👍 At one time I had 17 Mod. 75's I still have a 75 B, a 75 U, and a 75 K. 😉 The Mod. 75B comes in at a whopping 11lbs. 😖
Aussie Dave in PA Kevin,... This is what I did with a cheap Chinese B3 but because of tight tolerance I had to use a Pepsi can for material but had a great result :)
Hey, OZ Dave. You can source thin hard steel from Aerosol cans. Just test the can with a magnet, cut the bottom off with a can opener. Drill a 1/2" hole near the top of the flat section, score a straight line and pop the seam or just cut it to size with snips. 🤷🏼♂️ They tend to last d@mn near forever. Then again, plastics do tend to dampen vibration as a bonus. .020 polypropylene can be sourced from 1 quart milk jugs and polypropylene has self lubricating properties as well. 😉 HTH. Prof M
I'm surprised how dry that spring was when you took it out. I wonder if you really needed that plastic sleeve... the spring tar may have been all you needed. Probably only one way to find out ! Appreciate your videos Kevin ! Thank you !
Hard to say if the job would've been just as good without the sleeve. As you said, only one way to know for sure. It definitely helps to quiet down the cocking stroke. Thanks again for watching.
Get in touch with your local print and photographic supply shop what you want are lay up foils they have the advantage over bottle plastic of being a regular gauge. Available in various thickness they are also cut very square I use a photographic guillotine to cut my foils and heavy duty crimping shears to cut the toothed edge.much faster, you can knock out piston liners for customer guns in seconds once you get a little practice.Mind you I have had some folk complain their gun did not twang anymore, It takes all sorts!!!!
Hi David, I'm very interested in your sleeving method. What kind of shears are you using to crimp the end of the sleeve? Thanks so much for your input. It's very helpful.
@@razor1962 Just been chatting with my daughter she tells me they are called Pinking shears ????~What I called lay up foils also known as planning foils. make no excuses for my brain but it aint what it was.
@@razor1962 Think I have just discovered the source of Diabolo Chinese pellet god only knows why they spelt it this way may be they knew no better but it should be Diablo.??
complimenti per la tua collezione di springer. Sembra che il materiale migliore per fare la camiciatura alla molla sia l'ottone,i tubi di scarico dei lavandini spessore 0,3/0,4 mm. molto robusto e con ottima scorrevolezza con l'acciaio della molla.Rondella e top hat per favorire la rotazione della molla. Fatto sulla mia Diana 52 cal.4,5 side lever 28/29 joule . Bye Mauro
Nice job. I have the same rifle here in the uk. Mine had a ox spring from the 90s which was awful. I replaced the spring with the same spring from a hw80 and fited a home made ptfe sleeve which completely eliminated all buzzing. The hw80 spring is a little slimmer which keeps it away from the inside of the piston. Had to lightly sand the original spring guide as its a little tight. Really nice action now. Fires as nice as both my hw97 and 77.
@@razor1962 Webley sure makes a Fine looking rifle ! 😀 They're quite accurate as well. The only challenge were the lawyer triggers. Fair to remember though that most mainstream UK rifles will be under 12 fpe. and tend to be designed for field use with a stock 2 lb. trigger. 😉👍
@@marcmyers1465 hey Marc! what would be the recommended thickness of material to use to perform this mod? Should I try it with a soda bottle first on a Crosman B18 (optimus) I dont know if I could find a specific material living in a small area so if you got a few to suggest it could help deciding if I give it a try or not!
@@LowkeyAirgunnerSorry Lowkey, Sunday dinner. 😉 The most common thicknesses are, .030 "1/32" and .020, and in unique circumstances .010 "1/64" I personally try never to go below .015" 😉 A plastic vinegar jog or blue fluid jug is usually .030 polypropylene and a 1.75 liter soda bottle is usually .030 P.E.T. Acrylic A 1 quart milk jug is usually.020 polypropylene. And a common plastic bakery box or aerosol can, are usually .015 P.E.T. Plastic "acrylic" and hardened steel "test with a magnet" 🤔 I try to use bulk PTFE "Teflon" but use what you have available ! Polypropylene is a very close runner up to Delrin or PTFE. 😉 Polypropylene is the most resilient of the plastics mentioned. Most aerosol cans are actually .015" hardened steel. I usually cut 1/2" × 3" strips to use as feeler gauges between the spring and piston wall. Either a full wrap or gauge 1 side and divide by ÷2 .... 😉
Very sweet sounding 😉👍. I did the same procedure with the pop bottle for my Gamo Varmint and it worked pretty well, but eventually I did have to replace the piston sleeve. If you wouldn't mind what is your heavy tar labeled under? I tried some marine grease for boat trailers and it worked really well until it got too warm out, then it melted and went everywhere. So I went through all of my rifles again and cleaned all that junk out.
Hey Strongman! Wondering how long you sleeve lasted. ( estimated amount of shots.) You can but the spring tar from Jim Macarri ( Air Rifle Headquarters) www.airrifleheadquarters.com/page/page/251327.htm Thanks as always my friend.
@@razor1962 Thank you. It probably lasted several hundred shots, but I had it open in the middle for the cocking lever. I figured if it didn't have a gap, that the cocking lever would destroy it quickly?
@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 Depending on the type of cocking shoe, a piston sleeve behind the cocking slot can act as a trough for moly to glide the cocking shoe. The coils of the spring itself form the underlying support for the sleeve wall. It's much stronger than it looks once assembled. Works a treat for FWB's, Weihrauchs, Diana's and similar formats. Sometimes it's helpful to buff and polish the cocking shoe of some types on the grinder, or using a Dremel. I've gone as far as buttoning the cocking shoes on some Weihrauchs. Since I tend to use PTFE sleeves on high end builds that's Teflon on Teflon in a Moly trough. 😆😅😂🤣🤣 I might have a problem ? 🤔 LOL. Hey ! I like Smooth, Quiet Springers... 🤷🏼♂️
Well, that can be arranged. I did chrono the rifle prior to doing the work on it. It was averaging about 10.5 ft lbs (776 fps with Crosman Premier 7.9gr pellets) I'll try to do a chrony check on it over this weekend. Something tells me that it'll be somewhat lower now but I'm fine with the trade...
Well, I was wrong. Ran her over the chronograph this morning. There was an increase of about 1.5 ft lbs. Average with the same pellets was 825 fps. 11.9 ft lbs and the extreme spread went from 48 fps to 8 fps.
Wow! Huge difference! I might do this to my Crosman Optimus soon or later depending of if I detune it or not and how it will shoot if I do so What was the other material you got recommended to use?
If memory serves me, it's PTFE (Teflon.) I don't know enough about your rifle to give much input. You've got me considering picking one up just to see if I could home "tune" it on video for you and anyone else who might be interested. Marc Myers is a terrific source of information on different materials for different applications. I rely on his vast knowledge of spring guns allot for my own projects. I'm sure that he'll chime in when he reads this conversation
@@razor1962 I like to see tuning videos and I enjoy it even more when I own the rifle ! Haha Did you chrony this one after the mod ? Do you remember loosing alot of velocity by doing this or maybe just a bit
@@LowkeyAirgunner Actually Lowkey, I gained some speed. Before the job she was shooting at 776 fps with Crosman Premier 7.9 gr. Now with the same pellet she's doin' 825 fps. I would've thought that I'd lose a little power due to the added friction but apparently not.
Hi Iwan. Not sure if I gained or lost speed. I ran a chrono check before I did the work. Averaged around 776 fps with Crosman Premier HP's at 7.9 gr. I'll check it again this weekend and let you know. Thanks as always my friend.
You were right Iwan. Ran her over the chronograph this morning. Averaging 825 fps vs 776 fps Energy went from 10.5 ft lbs to 11.9 ft lbs. Extreme spread went from 48 fps to 8 fps.
