Disturbing Details Unsealed in 'Cult Mom' Case, How Remains Were Found, & New Text Messages 

I know. Me too.

I know.... when my kids were sick it worried the crap out of me and felt so sad for my kids. Then hearing a mother a uncle a niece murder these poor babies. I just can’t even fathom this. 🙏🙏💙💙

Chad and Lori's beliefs- according to the Affidavit- the only way to release the souls of Tylee and JJ from their zombie-infested bodies was to kill the bodies. So, maybe (ONLY IN THEIR MINDS) they were doing the "right" thing.......

kids not kid's and yes she was the bio-mom of Tylee, and the adoptive mother of JJ.

@@watchgoose and "tot mom"

Indeed innocent until proven guilty

jeff deathrage either way she’s involved. Otherwise Lori would’ve reported her missing.

If she had kids and raised them, doesn't that make her the mother? Deal with it, woman.

Yes, he's lost his whole family! 😔

Believe his name is Colby? Cannot fathom what he is going through. Unimaginable.

I've been following this story from the very beginning, I am more and more sickened each time there's an update! Colby,that poor guy,I can't begin to imagine,he must be absolutely devastated. My prayers are with you hon, Sincerely, a friend from Ottawa,Canada

My God! This is even too painful for me and I’m just a stranger. 😭

He saw it coming im sure.

When Alex shot Vallow is when the police truly let everyone down. Stupid to just take Alex’s word. No investigation? SMH.

@@shabbykat273 this is a community overrun with L.D.S. & they all feel superior to regular people . They think we all deserve whatever happens . The sad thing is they even treat their ' unrighteous the same way .if you are not 'temple approved, you are not worthy of getting help in the event of the end of the world . These people SAY ' that is not their belief system but it totally is . They are "preppers "& trust in themselves to save themselves ,not GOD.can you imagine how terrified their children would be if they knew their parents were not temple approved .

So true and this happens all to often where a non custodial parent pleads for help to protect and/or remove the children from danger.

@First Last Wow! That's just awful😟☹😥😭 Who can we count on anymore?!?

This is typical, men hardly ever are believed with blonde bimbos whining abuse

I hope Chad and Lori rot in he'll.

I wonder what cult were they in? 🤔

Absolutely! It's sickening, isn't it?

VAMP CHICK... They believed they were the leaders of the “Church of the Firstborn” (something they made up) and had to eliminate “Zombies” (their name for dark spirits who have taken over the body of a person), so they could rid the earth of these evil spirits before Jesus Christ’s 2nd Coming which they said is July 2020. They were LDS faith but so far off the beaten path and created their own twisted religious views based on Chad believing (and the others who followed him!) he got visions and spirits from the dead speaking to him advising him what to do. So very far off LDS theology and practices and any other Christian religion! Sick freaks!

@@newbeginning9112 the Mormon church.

0ur broken system completely failed Charles and those poor children 😢

Well i am glad he did get the LE involved. Now all this out there.

@@rakesfunnyfarm trying to put all together. Who Is Charles

Judy Brown He is the deceased husband of Lori Vallo Daybell, killed by her brother Alex Cox.

@@judybrown1810 He is Lori ex husband that was killed by Alex ( Lori brother) and also JJ father .

ZEKE TRICK they need to be tortured for the rest of their life!

I know!!!!!

We can all hope karma is coming for them! Hopefully soon.

I see the death penalty validated. If anyone deserves it, it is these two.

Don't worry, they will suffer in ways we can't even imagine. I mean, Lori is already uglier...and that must be a living HELL for her ;)

I think Laurie's mom has like Alzheimer's or onset of Alzheimer's and just didn't remember.

Did you see the interview with her sister and mom? They tried to convince everyone that Lori was such a good mom and would never hurt her children Ha!

sociopaths come from somewhere and it's usually from enabling families who tell them they're the centre of the universe. I bet they hated the kids because they look like their father like she hated them for that reason. As a kid my mum and dad separated and I'd always hear how I looked like my f'n father etc. I was just lucky I didn't have a 'parent' like that POS "mother".

U have made a good point about Lorie's mum, I hope the investigator's r aware of that !

She does need to go before the judge because she lied to officers in regards to this case.

They hired Alex to do The killing and then when the jobs were done. Lori and Chad hired Alex New wife to Poison Alex.

Not help, more like instructions and directions.

It is pretty clear that Alex played a huge part because he was the Hitman. Murder-for-hire. I'm pretty sure the police are digging into who was paying everybody's rent in the new Rexburg apartment complex. I mean the police hopefully have figured out but Melanie Boudreaux wanted her husband gone to. Melanie like Lori like Chad didn't care about their spouses, their only interest was to get the huge life insurance policies to support their lifestyles and to pay their Hitman Alex Cox. Hell for all we know Lori's plot had not ended with the kids. Maybe she wanted Alex to get rid of Chad so that she could get his life insurance money and the property where her children were buried. Maybe it was Chad alone that had Alex's wife kill him.

Yup!!! SO. CHARGE. THEM!!!

@@Leolioness44 why. Did. Alex. Die?? And WHO KILLED. HIM??

100% agreed. Haul Gibbs in and charge her. She knew.......

Her friend Malenie P, isn't innocent about this case, he's part of this case .

So correct ,,,,

Shay I completely agree. This is just completely awful and horrific what's happened to these poor angel's.

Charles Vallow tried. He went to the police. They didn’t believe him that the kids were in danger from Lori. Now they are all dead.

I agree, just sounds so creepy. When I saw that I thought of body limbs at first obviously Chad's way of a 'Play on Words' its so heartbreaking ..what evil bastards this shower of shit are. Absolutely breaks my heart.

Lorey Wilks perfectly put.

He’s a writer play on words & sickly enjoying what he’s doing

Could be language of Utah/ Idaho

might be subconscious leakage.

Follow the money. Life insurance policies.

She better not get off!!!

Chad taught her about zombies, he’s a huge part of this. This had been planned starting in 2018 when Chad wrote Lori family members in the notebook he created of dark energies and zombies.

Still don't know who actually killed those poor kids, or where. Lori could have killed them and had her brother pick up their bodies, one at a time, to be disposed on on hubby to be's property ... though I think that unlikely, at least with JJ, since their was a friend present in the house who might have heard/walked into the scene if it occurred there inside the home. Both kids probably each would have willingly gone with their uncle, especially at their mom's request, under whatever pretext mom made up so uncle Alex may have actually killed them once they were out of the house and then transported their bodies to Chad's property where they were burned and buried *or* they may have just been driven, still alive to Chad's home where he, or he and Alex, then killed, dismembered, burned and buried the poor kids. Any of the 3 could have actually killed those kids but they were all complicit.

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@C J you’re so right

Exactly!

That's right!!! I was so mad at those officers! That was BS!!

Yes he knew what he was talking about.

What exactly did you want them to do? What could they have done to prevent this?

Those two people are so disgusting 😡. How could they killl her kids.

I felt Alex was a part of this all along! The murder of Charles, and murder attempts of Lori's Neice's husband and the person that walked up to Chad's wife, "Tammy" in front of her home with a paint gun! I even wonder if Lori's neice is involved? She did get divorced right after her husband was almost killed! Then gets married right away! Just sayin! 🤔 Lori sent Alex or he decided to help his neice rid of her husband! Maybe they thought he was a zombie!

@@gmapatty I'm sure the niece is involved

*_I know huh?? So sad.. I can barely listen to the news updates.. I just can’t!! 😞 Too heartbreaking & horrible.._* 😭

I think they did it and got Alex to rid bodies and then they know that he is a great problem, he knows to much. So bye bye. Tammy must have found out some thing so bye bye. I just never make sense why kill the poor kids, or maybe kids knew something else that has not come alight

Lily May Pretty I’m thinking the same. She was drugged and shot at Chad’s house. Remember the friend Melanie said in the interview that Tylee was a strong, fighter spirited and would be one to put up a fight or notify someone if something was going on.

I wonder if they sifted through the ash in the firepit to recover more bones. The human body had 201 bones, they recovered only 40.

ooh good point. I'd wondered why he said he had to shoot a racoon instead of just saying he found a dead one.

I think he was trying to cover up the gunshot. I wonder if the alleged raccoons body was found on the property.

Maybe the 'raccoon ' needs dug at from the pet cemetery.....to see if there is a raccoon.....

Law enforcement looked at her through race lens and didn't treat her the way they treat the rest of us, brown people. Had she looked like me, they would have detained me on the spot.

White privilege i guess

Zavany Hindsight is always 20/20. They didn’t get the information chronologically like the the document presents. Only family could have guessed what was going on. From what I have learned, Lori was an ideal mother until she read Chad Daybell’s books and subsequently met him. Even though Vallow was her fourth husband.

I agree

Thats what makes me so upset!!! Chandler and Gilbert police failed majorly!!! What a disgrace!!! 👆🏻

Warnings about what?? There are tens of thousands of “bad” parents that are equally as bad, assuming they are guilty, and is law enforcement supposed to assume the worst & intervene on the kids behalf with zero evidence? Please wait to see what ALL of the evidence says before assigning guilt.

@@jasonjackson5696 Assigning guilt? These two not only went on with their lives like they don't have children, she threatened to kill her husband and he told police on more than one occasion that she has flipped. What other evidence could they have been provided? It was absolute negligence by several parties here. It should have been investigated way sooner!

Inmate justice ! Unfortunately she will be in PC. Unless the guards hate her as bad as the inmates and let a “ Epstein “ happen . 😡😡🙏🙏

@@angus7575 Epstein happened because they were trying to protect the higher ups and the guards were paid big money to take the hit. In other words it aint gonna happen to worthless pieces of shits like Lori. And female prisons aren't nearly as violent and cut throat as male prisons because of estrogen. We just gotta hope she gets the worst possible sentencing at trial.

They will “eat” her alive!! Literally and figuratively

I hope she’s not killed in prison. I want her to suffer as long as possible. Then again, she’s such a manipulative sicko, she’ll probably enjoy having power over other women and playing them against each other, etc...

I agree..oh she'll get hers in one way or another 😠 Do them both the same as they did to these precious children

Was he capable though he had autism

horrific beyond anything. The worst. Unconscionable! To precious children!

It's.also who was brought into their lives and they couldn't say no

If they do they'll be in protective custody just like Casey Anthony.

Protective custody. B.s. they deserve no protection. Waste of taxes 🙄

They wouldn’t last if they did ever get out. People r sick of these monster parents killing their babies.

Small Town Girl Big City Heart They won’t! They will rot in there talking to their toilets!!

Right?

Right no mercy... (Good one)!!!!!! We want justice for Tylee and JJ.

That does not speak highly of Alex, does it. Puppet Alex?

Wow Smgdmfh

I think they will pin it all on him.

Did they have a life insurance policy on him? Since she didn't get the payday she expected when she wanted Charles murdered for his life insurance.

Chad got rid of lauri too.

Not only are they heartless and sick..they are DELUSIONAL! Thought they were too clever to get caught.

I am a paralegal and they thought oh we will get by with this for a while and prob thought people wouldn't find them eventually I bet. This is such a sad situation for those poor kids....

Now I'm starting to think that too

I think she was killed so that they could be together. It was planned out in advance. He was telling people beforehand that she was going to die at a certain time in a car wreck, and that is why Lori moved before she died. That was his "prophecy", according to Gibb.

Was Tammy Daybell absent from the property on the 23rd also? And by the way where did Alex's phone ping on Oct. 9th when Tammy had her confrontation with the masked pistol wielder?

Mandy McManus 0

@matt s No she didn't. She died in October and the kids died in September.

Exactly what I was thinking too. Take a shotgun and blow a lil raccoon away? He wanted an excuse for noise and activity going on back there. Pack of sicko's!

There was no raccoon. He was trying to set up his alibi... gunshot and digging a hole. 🤦🏻‍♀️

Sevi Regis I keep seeing her touching her mother’s hand to calm her down at the station. I can’t process this. Hard on the heart. Confusing to the brain.

She also was protexting and at same time going against the stepfather who rsised her and loved them and had concern dor them. Went lipking for them and found desth. Supposedly kaylee had got the bat and was piking charles her father. This kid didnt seemed like was listening to know one. She didnt finish school why? Playing around? They were saying she had a wiity mouth. She qas witness to murder. Ahe said her stepdad-dad was cheating .but did shevknow or find out that mom had already had voyfriend pending and then 2weeks got married after both dead spouses. Wascok with dads death till it was her tine "not me mom" when her own mom had said shes a "zombie". So i dont see how she did this to save them from seeing doomsday??they all got the devil inside for following a charlatan..as per bible "no one know when its the last day". Sorry youll be if u put in or take out what the bible says and that what chad did and they went along with everything that was said to them especially that it was convenient. tylee made a comment about being in that church. Sorry for jj lost all his loved ones. What a sad story for Colby.

@@normacolon9618 Really hard to read, but if you are trying to blame a 17 year old for anything that happened, you are dead wrong. I would bet that the reason she was labeled a zombie is because she was starting to question things.

@@normacolon9618 wait... what? I get theres a lot of accidental hits on your keys here. But some of what you say makes absolutely no sense, even when you can decipher what the specific misspelled words were.

Ikr. My heart really broke when I remember that police video. She was such a sweet girl protecting her mother.

I pray they didn’t suffer.

God Bless those children 🙏 Crazy ass EVIL people!!!! 💜💙💜

Journeystomake Alkebulan it could be an error, chill

That’s why they killed her first. So she wouldn’t be in the way , when they killed JJ. 😡😡😡

Journeystomake Alkebulan Don’t be the Grammar police, maybe english is not the commenters first language. We know what they mean.

Danielle L Same

Lori sister Stacey died at 31 mysteriously maybe Lori and Alex did that way back in the 80s.

@@karencarpenter5845 they were kids

It was definitely a bizarre dynamic

L.D.S.

I can't imagine how the people having to deal with this case are feeling right now, it's gotta be hard on them mentally.😭

@Catherine Wilson The investigators that has the case are not the 2 police officers that were called at that moment. This is officially a "case" after the report of the missing children. And investigations team are not officers on the street.

@Stephanie Campbell Maybe for people that can't have any empathy, you sound a bit like that. When you have hempathy you can relate to people even if that's your work, and especially when children are involved. Months of investigation and trying to find them. Spending time with the family and knowing details of their life. Yes of course they must be very emotionally involved.

No conscious

So true... He's obsessed with death.. Seems like his books come from real life experiences!

I believe you may be onto something there..

@ActaNonVerba The one place cops don't look for a body? A Graveyard, they already know there's bodies, I'm sure when they relocated graves in N.Y. they found more bodies than were recorded.

@@sylerbo I can't help where my mind wanders/wonders, It's just nagging at me and my OCD won't give up.

100%

@@kpeterson1342 I threw my tv away 1/1/90, somethings take time for me to notice. on fb, the people I call 'zombys' are the demon-worshipes - the ones who obey the GERM and the Gov or lose their life. but I'm being facetious. I found it very disturbing this is part of their 'end time' dogma, when we know it is the Great Awakening :). or, perhaps they knew they were creating it, in effort to avoid it. o well.

They were mormons,not satanists

@@magz98610 a word is a label - if you have a religion, and people are murdered, that is Satanic.

margaret hazard This wasn’t Mormon... this was Chad Daybell’s cult

Chad wanted her out of the way so he could marry Lori (just a few weeks later)

Oh, yes!

@Cheryl Hamilton....and then allowing Chad Daybell to "refuse" an autopsy on his otherwise healthy 49 year old wife Tammy who drops dead in the middle of the night with a "cough" and coroner goes along with it resulting in her body having to be exhumed three MONTHS later after much evidence won't be recovered. And then Lori's brother Alex Cox dies mysteriously in his new wife Zulema's bathroom AFTER shooting and killing Charles Vallow and dies from a "pulmonary embolism" and they allow cremation. I don't believe in coincidences. And don't forget Tylee's dad, Joseph Ryan, who was very healthy and dropped dead of a "heart attack" at age 59 and was cremated. There are more bodies buried. This is just the tip of the iceberg.......

I agree

I think God and his cults that are kept in business has much to answer for! God (he or she) gets much publicity so why isn't he on the wanted list? And why does the Republican Party take loads of money from these loud mouth religious evangelists nutters across America?

@@KitJBenn yeah that's why I don't really bother with religion it always creates problems.

So many lives taken by these 3 monsters .RIP 🕊💐Charles Vallow, Tammy Daybell,Tylee &JJ💐🕊

And zombie whatever that means it was so strange

@@noeldee9236 when Melanie says about JJ "he was all around us" I just hate the way she says that

both Melanies are shitting their pants now

Both need to be prosecuted. They know what happened, when it was happening!!

Yea she did

Yeah, a mentally ill woman.

@not me...It's called money. Life insurance policies.

@itscileste How's that working for em?

What do you discern?

@@kellyteacherforlife7165 yes mam!

@drright10 I do.

I wish they could hear you, but I hope they are in a way better place where people love their children.

@drright10 Lmaooo!!!😂💀

I so agree😢😢💔💔. Horrible

Who would not feel bad for this happening.

I can't imagine what their last hours were like 😥

@Ramina Carlton....Well said. Edmund Burke once said, "The only thing necessary for the existence of evil is for good men to do nothing." Thanks for doing nothing Melani. Well done. Ugh.

Amen 🙏 away from demons

MARY HARTMAN, MARY HARTMAN she was meaning with what has happened to them by their own mother, she is just saying she hopes they are now at peace

@MARY HARTMAN, MARY HARTMAN Wow!! Another troll..Does it make you feel better to belittle people? She has the right to say what she wants and you really sound like the neighborhood busy body! She meant what the Shitty mother did to them and leave you're religious beliefs out of it! SMFH

@MARY HARTMAN, MARY HARTMAN chill out and read the comments properly! She means at peace away from those monsters 🤦🏻‍♀️

@MARY HARTMAN, MARY HARTMAN Yes, that is what Beck meant, hoping these lovely children are at peace....btw....you stated the children are with the Lord? For your scriptural understanding, the Bible says in Genesis 3:19 'In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread Till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; For dust you are, and dust you shall Return. John 11: 11- 17 & 21-27. These things He said, and after that He said to them,' "Our friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up." Then his disciples said, "Lord, if he sleeps he will get well." However, Jesus spoke of his death, but they thought that He was speaking about taking rest in sleep. Then Jesus said to them plainly, "Lazarus is dead. And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, that you may believe. Nevertheless. Let us go to him. Then Thomas, who is called the Twin, said to his fellow disciples, "Let us also go, that we may die with Him." So when Jesus came, He found that he had already been in the tomb four days. 21-27. Now Martha said to Jesus, "Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died." But even now I know that whatever You ask of God, God will give You. Jesus said to her, "Your brother will rise again." Martha said to Him, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day." Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?" She said to Him. "Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is come into the world." I share with you directly what the Bible says, because I would like you to know the truth. We all sleep when we die until Jesus returns in the second resurrection. In fact, the good news that Jesus says in John 14: 1-4. "Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you unto Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. And where I go you know, and the way you know. I suggest everyone on this feed should go and open the Bible and read these Living Words for yourselves. There are promises for you all to know about. The Scriptures are fascinating! Everyone should read it. God Bless Everyone.

Yes, it's so bad to think and imagine how they did this. How coy the newly married couple were in Hawaii. Two spouses killed, Lori's brother killed and then her 2 children. Just beautiful people. I hope they get punished swiftly but I know that won't occur.

Yeah bc its so much worse then we all thought.

These people are monsters. Just hope there will be justice.

It's just really almost unbelievable! Except there's proof adding up.

It’s sickening and heartbreaking.

Or maybe he knew she was NOW an empty Nester cuz he knew kids were dead already

One word:Keystone

Absolutely! I never knew getting away with murder was as easy as banging your head on something and claiming someone attacked you with a baseball bat but apparently in Gilbert, AZ that's how it works.

Lori was a cute blonde claiming she was being abused by Charles. Cops failed them all.

@@anastasiabeaverhausen2996 I had a neighbor that would go in the bathroom and hit himself then call the police stating his girlfriend did it. She would get arrested for assault and battery and go to jail . Your theory might hit the nail on the head.

@@anastasiabeaverhausen2996 I had a neighbor that would go in the bathroom and hit himself then call the police stating his girlfriend did it. She would get arrested for assault and battery and go to jail . Your theory might hit the nail on the head.

That’s true!

If you look at the video of the news lady standing In front of the house and the daughter was moving in.. the guy walks up and puts something in the trunk of the white car and slams the trunk. Then he throws his hands up. Kinda looks mad the news is there. I said right then “what is he putting in the trunk? Looks like an ammo box”

His text does look like he's setting up an alibi for why a gun shot would've been heard.

I wonder if Tylee may have been drugged, then was waking up and they had to shoot her. Just totally satanic how chad and lori just kill everyone so they can be together.....

To protect herself.

No, in this case I think it would be better to leave them in jail to suffer the torment that the other prisoners will inflict on them. The death penalty would be too easy in comparison.

Life without parole. Die in prison.

Birds of a feather flock together.

They believed them they did no wrong. But they are recanting their words now because they are involved with the murders.

She should be locked up as well

She knew, she's not innocent in this tragedy, trying to save her arse by playing naive

I couldn't stand that pink sweater fool she looks insane smiling while talking about these poor kids acting like things are not bad. All losers killing the hard working father and the innocent children. The family from hell

@@lizbent5040 I think Tylee knew her fate especially when she was referred to as a zombie by her mother.Why didn't melanie G. reach out to her? Perhaps that shows some sort of culpability.

@@lizbent5040 yeah and she was so worried how Lori couldn't be with Chad anymore and all her dreams were shattered and how she couldn't look pretty in her prison outfit, I was like lady what the hell is wrong with you. She knew things were very strange and said nothing, so very sad and I hope she feels extreme guilt forever.

Totally agree. 💯

I agree I think there was something more to her and Alex relationship than brother and sister. The Cox family is one sick family.

It made me think of Norman Bates and his mother in Psycho.

I've wondered that from the beginning. It's sick, but it would explain a lot.

Incest wincest.

Very sad story!

I know me too..so so sad:(

I've been watching this and Gannon Stauch's case.....I can't even fathem what's wrong with these people. SMDH. 😒😑

I took notice of this case back In February I believe when these idiots where in Hawaii

They say we take interest into things we relate to or with.

Why kill anyone in cold blood kids or adults.... they should be treated as they was but that won’t happen...

I think Tylee was probably killed cause she knew what her mother and uncle did to her step father. Tylee probably was saying something about it so they had to get rid of her and JJ probably was upset about his sister she seemed more like a mother.

Wait until the trial starts.. I think in addition to JJ & Tylee's murders, the murders of Charles, Tammy, Joseph and also Alex will be included as evidence against Lori, Chad & possibly Melani. I believe, even though Alex was involved in all of the other murders, the PA is going to prove they murdered Alex, in an attempt to use him as the fall guy. I also think other cult members, including children, were murdered. The evidence in this case is going to reach epic proportions & go further than most imagined. Everything probably goes back years.

Me too😢

I can’t either. I am close with all my siblings. There is zero chance I would help them kill and dispose of children. There is just no scenario that would happen and I would die for my siblings. Even if they 100% believed them to be evil they could have given them up.

Amber Kelly me too I’m close with my siblings to but if they even looked at my nieces and nephews the wrong way it would be the last thing the did

That is a fantastic point!!!

Well then it was awfully stupid of him to (at that same time) text those things to Tammy. They were both there carrying out the murder, dismemberment, burning & burying of Tylee.

Alex is still a MUDERER! Remember he killed lori’s ex husband! And when he was in jail prior to killing him he acted obsessed with going after the guy! Go back through some of these videos... he’s dead and he’s guilty, definitely NOT framed

I'm not sure, Alex was already a murderer at that point so i don't think he would have had too many issues killing the kids. He was always Lori's minion. That said, he definitely did it at Lori and Chad's orders because that's what a good minion does.

Or maybe Alex really did help. He's not innocent. Hate when people put their own theories without hearing all the details.

Right. My thoughts exactly.

I agree!My heart is broken for those kids. I’ve had trouble conceiving and lost a baby early last year and I’m 27. This world is not fair.Lori is NOT a mother.I hope they get justice for Jj,Tylee,Tammy,and Charles. My love and prayers goes out to The Woodcocks and Colby. 💔

Idk if religion should be brought into this case. 🙄🙈 I mean I feel ya lol. But like organized religion is definitely what causes this stuff. Any religion. People become obsessed. I get it though I really do. I pray. Idk what to but I pray lol.

Religion and bad belief systems are part of the reason these children are dead.

Kendall Kelly I completely agree!

The cops did not act when Charles asked for help, Lori had taken from his bank account all his money for his pay roll.

@@nietzschesmuse The cops really couldn't do anything without a court order. Without that it's a "he said -she said." That's the advice they gave him too. Charles needed to go thorough proper channels. Which he didn't have a chance to do before he was murdered.

@meko love Are you serious????

Ice cold blood curdling fear consumed her body I pray. She won't get to play warrior princess after all. Sick monsters all.

You

dying..

Well, they said that she nearly tore up the POD & was yelling & screaming & possibly hitting other inmates, when she heard they had served a search warrant on Chad’s property. She could see that they were caught & no way to deny it any longer. A definite indication of guilt. If she had not reacted this way, she could’ve claimed she had no clue about the children being dead or buried there. But she told on herself!

@@denisemughrabi8171 Who's they? Link, please.

I agree! I still wonder if Alex was given something that caused his death to look like natural causes!

@@pamelalayman9849 of course they gave him something. The same thing they gave Tammy. Same MO on Tammy and Alex.

Maybe Tammy came home and saw the digging on the property was suspiciously large for a raccoon or heard or saw some evidence and confronted Chad.

I’m wondering if Alex couldn’t handle the pressure/began to realize what he’d actually done & did himself in. That or he knew too much & they didn’t need him any longer. Either way, no way it’s natural causes. Coincidences like that don’t exist.

@@el3103 based on what I just heard that was not the case! He text her before she was even aware of the gun shot or burning of the brush limbs!

Exactly! No normal person says that about tree branches...

Agreed 😳

Tree limbs v. Tree branches. I've never reference tree branches as limbs nor does most people. I wouldn't exclude the late wife from having knowledge of these children dismemberment. Their kids are twisted too by moving into a house where their mother died and where two children's bodies were found. This entire circumstances is heartbreaking and sickening.

@@sheiswhitney Maybe it's a regional thing? Because where I live, tree limbs & tree branches are used with about the same frequency.

@@sheiswhitney my husband would say brush not limbs

I mean, good luck trying to explain that away in court. There is no feeling human who is not going to desperately want to punish Chad and Lori for this. And this text is REALLY good evidence.

Agree... he can't help but find a way to brag what he has done, try to explain and leave a story for anything amiss, etc... the whole racoon thing is just TMI.

I don’t believe that she is innocent. She knew far too much & did nothing until she knew police would be knocking on HER door.

I think she was just covering her butt, she definitely knew something.

Yes....if lori thought for one second that she wasn't on board Melanie would not have been allowed to move in

She DEFINATELY knew what was happening there's absolutely no doubt in my mind!!!

She sure acts like she believes all the whacko religion stuff in that interview she gave.

Carol Vigil OMG!! WTF?!?! They dismembered them?!?! 🤮 I hope they both get tortured 24/7 in prison!!

Carol Vigil I wonder why they dismembered and burnt Tylee Ryan. Have you heard why they did that to her?

It was all Chad

So they could have been in the storage shed

Alex was rushing to Lori's house at 2AM because Lori had killed Tylee!! He went there to save Sis

I'm wondering the same or was it a shot to cover up acting like he was killing a raccoon because he would have to have an explanation for burying something.

I think it was to throw Tammy off. If she seen the ground disturbed. They buried their pets back there.

You know that Alex Cox did not do this by himself! He was the hit man and he knocked himself off to keep from possible prosecution! Wow!😠

Are they going to release evidence of a gunshot would to one of the childrens bodies?

That is why Chad tried to flee. He was apart of getting rid and aiding Alex and Lori. My heart aches because Charles knew what was coming, I believe Melanie Gibbs was used as an escape goat, I also believe The other Melanie related to Lori knew what was going down and tried to have her husband killed. Where was she living at the time of all this?

They’ll never get the death penalty though

Straight jacket for the rest of both their lives. They will blame for sure. Bc Alex is dead. She knew. She was there. They can’t get away with this. No way. God knows.

She was so worried about her kids she see wouldn’t leave with with her “killer” brother! They need to be in a padded room in straight jackets and that’s too lenient.

@Mr.Right 07 What is a "Inner Venus"?

buried in a fire ant mound, heads out of the ground covered in honey.

Yes, the Woodcocks offered to take the children, but Lori & Chad wanted the money from their Social Security every month, & Tylee was going to get money from her father’s estate when she turned 18. They killed her to keep the inheritance too. Lori Vallow wanted to believe Chad Daybell’s B.S. because it relieved her conscience of any guilt, if the children were zombies & were now “dark”, they needed to die. Chad told her exactly what she wanted to hear..(Paraphrasing) “You’re not a bad mother, the children are bad, & you have to let them crossover to be at rest!”. He made her sound like a Saint for doing this!😡 But Chad & Lori were both stone cold, evil monsters! They only cared about their selfish desires & wanted money to fund their lifestyle in Hawaii. Chad’s wife, Tammy probably caught on to his affair with Lori, but she never realized her life was in danger, because of the life insurance money. I think Lori wanted Tylee gone for several reasons. I think she was also, jealous of Tylee’s youth, because Lori was starting to look older & less attractive. I have seen this with mother’s & daughters before. These mother’s view their daughters as competition for them. Maybe Chad was showing Tylee more attention trying to win her over, but Tylee wasn’t having it! Lori probably felt insecure after having always been the center of attention. She was also jealous that she was getting an inheritance to start her adult life. She probably felt she was entitled to the money more than Tylee was, because she raised her & took care of her all those years. She also knew that she would no longer need Tylee to help with J.J. because she knew he would be dead soon. Tylee would ask too many questions about J.J. so she had to go first. It’s all such a tragedy for these children. I can’t imagine the hell they must have lived thru before they died! I hope they are at Peace now!🙏

Absolutely I think they would of too, there's something seriously wrong with these people though.

Yes if the FBI have pings on Daybells property Then you know they have info for Melanies case

She also inherited her Dad ins. $ and estate. Then Lori got it after she killed Tylee. JJ also inherited his Dads estate / ins.and wasn't her blood child so she had no real binding with him. Cold evil people. I think both kids were drugged to death like Alex was. Hopefully they didn't suffer a painful death.

Tylee was putting two and two together and asking too many questions. In their twisted minds she became a threat

@@PK-bh1ww Charles changed his will to his sister last minute, not to Tylee where Lori could control it. Lori found it was changed when she tried to collect it.

Troubler2 Charles was not Tyler’s father.

Tylee