Does the 2022 WRX have potential?

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The 2022 Subaru WRX is a completely new car, and for that reason it brings with it a lot of unknowns. We had a lot of fun driving the new WRX on track, but what about the new engine? Does it have potential compared to the outgoing WRX and STI?
Well, now that Cobb has released their AccessPort and Tuning software for the car, we are going to be able to find out.
Harvey (the owner and head tuner at The Boostcreep LTD) invited us to his shop to take a look at the results he got on the stock WRX, the new Cobb Stage 1 map, and to talk about what results he got with a bit of tuning as well.
Does the FA24DIT engine in the 2022 WRX have potential? Tune in and find out!
Here is a link to the 2022 WRX Cobb Accessport on the Flatirons Tuning website:
www.flatironstuning.com/cobb-...
To see what Harvey is up to, follow this link to his website:
www.theboostcreepltd.com/
This is actually the short version of the conversation that Harvey and Jon had about the new WRX. The full version will be available on our Patreon page.
In this episode:
00:00 - Intro
00:30 - 2022 WRX First Impressions
01:35 - 2022 WRX Stock Dyno results
04:20 - Cobb Stage 1 results for the 2022 WRX
06:02 - Pump Gas Stage 1 Custom Tune results for the 2022 WRX
08:08 - E30 Custom Tune results on the 2022 WRX
10:42 - How do these results compare to the previous WRX and STI?
11:32 - The 2022 WRX has lots of potential
13:00 - Final thoughts
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@Andy-Andeee Год назад

With the 2022 WRX, Subaru didn't gave us the STi we wanted, but the one we needed.

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

Really interesting point. Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@mcglsr237 Год назад

Agree to disagree :)

@shivas6532 Год назад

Thank you for this. I was waiting for this from you folks

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

No problem at all! Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@pab3783 Год назад

Great video guys. Always great when you have the Boostcreep around.

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

Absolutely! Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@grammerpolicedeputy6913 Год назад

Love this type of content. Best Subaru channel on YT

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

Thanks very much! Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@RedBRZ23 Год назад

Having this WRX myself I’m excited to see that better things are possible without spending a lot of $$$

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

Very cool! Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@austinpoaurs9871 Год назад

Great informative video. Good job and thank you

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@chrisweir1097 Год назад

Exciting times for the new generation engine….keen to see how far the standard engine can be pushed reliably with quality bolt on mods. Thanks again for another great episode.

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

Absolutely! Seeing what this engine can do completely stock, it really makes us want to see what it can do with a couple of bolt ons for sure. Flex-Fuel would be a gamechanger for sure. Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@HugoHardinge Год назад

Pretty nuts! Prime motoring has been doing some cool stuff with the FA24 for a little while! With some bolt ons as well these can party!

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

Yep, it is a pretty cool engine for sure. It really makes me wish we could have seen what the STI would have been with this power plant. Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@v8_sami Год назад

Their crosstrek was pushing some good power

@parametric_defpoint Год назад

Wow! Boosting this up from 10 psi to 22 psi on stock parts, making good power. Curious about that map and middle of summer temperatures and how it would effect the stock engine. More to come, I guess.

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

For sure. Definitely curious to see how this car handles the summer, but it shows a lot of potential. Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@therealkarl88UF6BRXQ Год назад

Great information's in there. I'm a little worried about the split case transmission durability with such a spiky torque curve.

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

It is a good question for sure. It definitely seems like it will be somewhat easy to tune the engine to the point where the transmission may not be as reliable. But we will just have to see how it all works with the new chassis. Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@icemantuck2638 Год назад

So which color VB are you getting for yourself, Jon? 👍 As always, great video, guys.

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

Not there yet, but it would be White :-) Definitely liking this platform a lot lately. Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@joeboland95 Год назад

Exciting to see this new update for the 2.4l. The vb is starting to grow in the community and this will make it even more popular. From the sounds of it, the transmission is the same as the va and is the weak point at more power. Do we know what power that transmission is limited to?

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

Thanks for the question. Yes, the transmission is the same as the previous WRX, so it will be a bit of a liability. Time will tell for sure. Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@taelee347 Год назад

@@FlatironsTuning Is it still the same TY75? I guess they are done with TY85s in the STI then. What a shame...

@Timgeo84 Год назад

definitely keen to learn about weak points, drivetrain especially! I have to assume they are sti style 6-speed?? as the split case couldn't handle that much torque! even though we'd be saving on supporting mods, I'd still be investing into supporting mods!

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

Thanks for the comment. Yes, this still the split case 6-speed from the previous WRX. It is certainly going to be a bit of a liability. Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@pharmztko Год назад

Same case as VA wrx trans but the 2nd 3rd and 4th gears are different.. waiting for someone to tear a trans apart to see exactly what the difference is besides gear ratio if anything

@tylersime5665 Год назад

I feel like a stage 2 with 18psi boost would be a good number to be at an maybe for stage 3 26psi I'm curious what the aftermarket are going to do with this especially for tuning

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

There is a lot of potential in this new chassis for sure. Especially with it getting lighter (3200 lbs now) Definitely curious to see what options come out in the next year or so. Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@ChadHargis Год назад

I'm running an OTS tune on an all stock car that is 317hp/348ft.lbs of torque to the wheels. And that is with no knock and the DAM at 1 all the time. I never see the car pull timing. That's on 93 octane pump gas.

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

That is great to hear! Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@Christosan88 Год назад

Yes moore 2222 wrx, Id already own one if the transmission was a one piece design, cause thats the TRANS I WANT! No more compromise; no more splitcase trannys

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

It is a shame that Subaru didn't come out with an STI version of this chassis, that is for sure. Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@shaktishaker Год назад

So in summary what is the hp gain on regular pump gas? 30hp? I cant quite follow the conversation

@_Hani_26 Год назад

What are the correction factors for things like altitude with that dyno?

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

Thanks for your question. We actually have a video talking all about it: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9zo80lXiqdA.html&feature=shares Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@blueridge8992 Год назад

Nice to see these gains for those that just want a tune and a cat back, but for the future potential to make more power, the elephant in the room is certainly the transmission. Sure it took $5k to reliably make >400hp with an STI, but then you had a bulletproof transmission, DCCD, front and rear LSDs, and track-ready Brembo brakes. We can now assume that the FA24 will easily push >400ft-lbs with simple bolt-ons and ethanol, but that’s going to grenade the transmission, which seems to be the exact same part as the ‘15-21 WRX. We don’t even know if the STI transmission and diffs will bolt into the VB chassis, but even if they do, the swap is >$10k. Plus, you can’t add that kind of without upgrading the brakes, which will be another $2k at minimum for the base ‘15 STI 4-pot/2-pot caliper setup (and that’s if you go with remanufactured parts).

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

Thanks for the comment. The WRX has never had the strong drivetrain that the STI had, and that has always been a challenge. I'm sure that down the road, it will be possible to put an STI 6-speed into this WRX. We'll just have to wait and see how many people decide to do that. I'm somewhat wondering how many people with STI's will want to try to swap in an FA24DIT power plant. If it has the potential to offer a lot of gains over the EJ, it could be worth it.. Definitely not simple, that is for sure. Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@blueridge8992 Год назад

@@FlatironsTuning FA24 into a VA chassis doesn’t seem worth it at all though, yeah? The engine mounts and accessory mounting locations are all different. It’s far from your typical Subaru Lego parts swap. From what I’ve read about those that have tried it so far, the cost of the swap itself outweighs the ~20% power gains that you might get over a similarly modded EJ. Remember that cookie cutter 700hp+ EJ25 builds are all sorted and doable in a weekend now. Imagine the R&D that’s going to be needed to get FA24s to that point. I don’t think ANY FA20 have survived anywhere near that power level for more than a few pulls.

@alexbelauste8869 Год назад

So awesome but also very, very shocking. Makes me want to sell my 16 STI that I've spent so long longing for lol!

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

Thanks for the comment Alex. We were definitely surprised too. Definitely hold on to the STI, but this WRX looks like it will be a heck of a daily :-) Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@lilmixdboy Год назад

Keep the sti for life.

@mcglsr237 Год назад

This makes me wonder what aftermarket parts would accomplish. It sounds like Subaru already put good parts on. For example, what's an aftermarket exhaust going to do, if the stock exhaust is already pretty free flowing? Other than change the noise sound of course.

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

Thanks for watching and thanks for the comment. We are definitely starting to see that there is a lot of potential that can be unlocked with more optimized parts for the exhaust, intercooler, and intake, etc. There is a lot of potential stock, and it seems a lot of room to make more power too. Stay Tuned!

@bryanallendorf7064 Год назад

What about raising RPM'S with the beefed up beehive valve springs?

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

Thanks for the question, It really seems like this engine is designed to make power in the lower rpm range Based on the falloff of torque, I don't think that there would be a ton to gain from revving higher. Though that may change with a more free flowing exhaust. Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@bryanallendorf7064 Год назад

I just feel like the revs end quickly. I bounce off the limiter all the time when racing. Seems like it has more. Guess not, according to dyno.

@jasonmoyer Год назад

For some reason Subaru is massively understating the stock numbers coming from the N/A side of the FA24 in the WRX and BRZ. Even at the quoted numbers they give for the BRZ, and assuming around a 10-15% torque loss for the compression difference, the WRX at 12psi would be around 300bhp at the crank @5500 rpm. 240-250whp doesn't seem out of line to me.

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

That is an interesting point for sure. Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@VinRZ Год назад

Thoughts on subaru finally using Vb wrx with fa24dit at 2023 nrb challenge?

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

Great question. It is really cool to see for sure. They have had a lot of success at that race, and I am looking forward to seeing how the new car does. If they have success in their class again, that would be a huge proof of concept for that engine for sure. Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

@spiralshapetortoise Very true. The pictures I have seen the NBR car has a cast manifold too. if STI makes some of those motorsports parts available, that would definitely go a long way to help out anyone that wants to make their WRX into a race car.

@VinRZ Год назад

@spiralshapetortoise the FA24 might be modified for nbr challenge. But im happy they are racing with any FA engines, It's a good step in the direction since they discontinued EJ.

@James-ql2yh Год назад

I live in boulder I have the cvt version will you help me do a conservative tune if Cobb even supports it

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

Thanks for your question. At this time, Cobb is only supporting the MT transmission WRX's. When they do open up the CVT support, Harvey at The Boostcreep is going to be your best option for custom tuning as we don't offer that service. Hope that helps and thanks for watching. Stay Tuned!

@James-ql2yh Год назад

Ok awesome thank you again is that in boulder?

@Holtenstein Год назад

Awesome. Lets put this engine in a Bugeye now!

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

Fantastic suggestion :-) I wish I could say that we are working on just that, but not yet. Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@styrex4261 Год назад

@@FlatironsTuning if the bell housing and mounts are the same it should work with an ecu swap right?

@nayomiortiz6108 Год назад

@@FlatironsTuning i would 1000% watch newest wrx engine in a legendary wrx

@RedBRZ23 Год назад

🤮 🤢 🤮

@Challenge_me_geek Год назад

I wonder if they have built the box any stronger for the extra torque potential, nah, subaru are full backward atm.

@willthetech Год назад

I know I'll get a lot of hate here, but you guys thinking on tuning a SPT (cvt) WRX 2022?

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

Thanks for the question. The issue with the CVT transmissions is their torque capacity is down to the friction of the belt on the internals of the trans. If you turn up the power, which it now looks like it is fairly easy to do on these cars, it could be easy to overcome the coefficient of friction on that belt. If you do that, then wear will start to occur very quickly, which will also lead to problems, or a failure. In short, because of the risk of causing damage, I'd say it just would not be worth it on those transmissions. Maybe at some point there will be a tested or proven path to modify CVT cars up to a point where the transmission is still working well, but I don't think that has happened yet. Hope that helps and Stay Tuned!

@willthetech Год назад

@@FlatironsTuning Makes sense, thanks for the answer. :)

@aname7817 Год назад

I know my fa20 driveline did not handle the flex fuel tune well. F around and you will find out.

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

Thanks for watching and thanks for the comment. Yep, with the new FA20/24 WRX, the drivetrain can certainly be a liability when you start to make more power. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-sC_Hal53HbY.html We're hoping that Subaru will put the STI drivetrain in at some point. Stay Tuned!

@SonikJesus Год назад

Will the transmission hold, though? STi swap?

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

That is definitely a question that we will have to wait and see. Since the transmission is the same as the previous WRX, it looks like the engine can be tuned to the point where it could certainly cause a failure. There is definitely a good chance that an STI drivetrain swap will be possible. Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@cot998 Год назад

I wonder if this is on pump gas, I wish they would let us know if it's pump gas. Is this pump gas? 🤣

@channelgreen5949 Год назад

How about reliability? Should i say like could it be at least more reliable than the last STi 2021?? Cause im debating if i should get new wrx or used 2021 STi. But im leaning towards reliability….thanks

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

Thanks for the question. That is a tough call. If you are looking at simple bolt ons or staying more stock, that is a tough choice. If you are wanting to go further with a build, the STI still has some clear advantages in terms of drivetrain and brakes. Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@ianholmquist8492 Год назад

Sti is 100 percent reliable. Just more expensive to maintain

@curtismajeskie3419 Год назад

2022s have rtv gasket problems from the lower oil pan, its put on to heavy and breaking up and blocking the take up filter. Its really the only catastrophic engine failure issue. Hoping the addressed this issue, as I have a 2023 reserved

@AntilleanConfederation 3 месяца назад

@@curtismajeskie3419did you ever find out if they fixed the issue ?

@curtismajeskie3419 3 месяца назад

@AntilleanConfederation i removed my oil pan after my 3rd oil change and the rtv seems ok to me, wasnt over applied. But my guess is, this is a hit or miss issue, depending on the japanese tech applying the rtv and bolting the pan on

@spoolindsm127 Год назад

Wow not long before the STi won't be missed anymore.

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

Well, I'm not entirely sure about that. I am definitely more disappointed than ever that there isn't an STI on this chassis. Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@taelee347 Год назад

If 2022 WRX is putting down stage 2 STI numbers bone stock... I'm so perplexed why 2022 WRX stock 0-60 is not any better then... I'm sure they had to tweak the gear ratios due to 6K red line so I looked them up but 1st/2nd/3rd aren't that difference from VA WRX's...?

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

Thanks for the question. For the stock car, the peak power comes at the very top of the rpm range. But when you start tuning it, you can get the torque to come in much earlier, so it would make a big, big difference in acceleration. Driving the stock WRX, it feels like a naturally aspirated car, and I think that Subaru did this on purpose. But it now looks pretty clear that it will feel a lot more like a WRX/STI when tuned. And I'd bet it will feel a good deal faster. Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@curtismajeskie3419 Год назад

Because of an even torque curve. The boost hits around 2500rpms but is still spooling to max pressure all the way up to 5600rpm. People are getting mid 5s with pro tunes and racing gas.

@willr5372 Год назад

Love to see all the haters trash the new VB 😂😂. Don’t worry give it 10 years and everyone will call it “legendary” like everyone other generation before.

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

Thanks for watching and thanks for the comment. Stay Tuned!

@clinthay5222 Год назад

Put a k24 turbo honda engine in it !!

@nathanblake123 Год назад

There’s a guy with an 11 second stock 22 wrx - running an E50 tune

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

Dang, that is very cool. There is absolutely a lot of potential in this new engine. Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@pharmztko Год назад

The intake is super restrictive on these cars.. you’d probably gain 30-40whp with an aftermarket intake

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

It will be interesting to find out. There is a charcoal filter as part of the intake and that is going to make development tricky where a certification is required. Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@Bted__ever Год назад

Those wheel aren’t light!! 😂😂

@edwardpeters4700 Год назад

This just makes me more angry we won't be seeing an STI for the VB generation. It would have been the swansong the WRX STI deserved.

@petkokrushev3840 Год назад

there are a lot of DCCD gearboxes, big brembo brakes and STI bits that sit, so just be patient, STI will eventually come ;)

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

Yep, I am really wishing that we could have had an STI on this chassis. It could have been a game changer for sure. Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@edwardpeters4700 Год назад

@spiralshapetortoise I would agree. The VB is big brakes, transmission, diffs, and a tune away from being what most of us wanted from the next STI. I'll be a very happy man marching in to trade my 2017 VA WRX if Subaru sees this in the next year or two. I actually bought the WRX instead of an STI at the time because I wanted a more modern engine. The VB was supposed to be my time to trade up. 🙄

@ianholmquist8492 Год назад

There already was a swansong for the sti. It's called the 2021. It's great. The sti is an icon and a modern day classic. The vb is a stop gap that will be forgotten as soon as production ends.

@racer096 Год назад

10 psi stock? I think he misspoke as it should be 12-14 psi stock.

@WithCarePlz Год назад

I think the important thing to mention here while comparing this car to a VA STI is that the point of the STI is not extra horsepower. Go pull up the dyno sheet for a new 5.0 if you want horsepower potential lol. At least the 5.0 has an LSD. So what if it looks like the Camaro. At least it doesn’t look like a crosstre fell from the sky onto a base civic The horsepower doesn’t mean much to me with the ‘22 wrx. I’d rather drive an STI with half the power. The ‘22 wrx has electric steering, open diffs, brake by wire, and 50/50 awd. None of these things appeal to me. The STI is the analog drivers car. The interesting thing will be to see what happens when the new (hybrid?) STI comes out. I still probably won’t want one due to the terrible driving feel and horrible sound. If I can rig up a new hybrid sti with UEL headers and hydraulic steering - sign me up lol

@beaches2mountains230 4 месяца назад

U SURE U WOULDNT BE 1ST IN LINE FOR AN ELECTRIC STI? U WHINE LIKE A KAREN AND SEEM TO THINK EVERYONE CARES HOW YOU FEEL.

@maxcusumano5188 Год назад

No way is there a 22 wrx making 290whp stock and I own one

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@jmtcol5280 Год назад

I think he was saying he got those numbers with an Ethanol mix and tune on stock drivetrain.

@kiritowow2736 Год назад

I am really doubt the result from this guy's dyno, I see several stock 22 wrx on dyno, both of them are around 220 to 230 whp, same 2022 brz on that dyno is 190 whp, 2019+ STOCK sti is around 270 on tha dyno, so how can the dyno in this video have a fully stock 2022 wrx read 250whp and a stage 2 STI only 260? I really doubt the calibration for this two numbers

@kiritowow2736 Год назад

@@chrisg5101 I am not saying it is not possible for 250whp on dyno, dyno and dyno is different, but if the dyno you run on a stage 3 STI is only 260 whp which means the reading is pretty low, and then you read 250 whp on a 2022 wrx which significantly show they use different calibration, stock pre 2019 STI can head to head with stage 2 VA wrx and VB wrx is slightly slower than stage 2 va WRX, and now they saying a stock 2022 wrx is the same with stage 3 STI and faster than stage 2 sti which is not impossible

@PocketDrummer Год назад

I'll always see this car as the car that killed the STI, and that means I'll always hate this model year. It's sad, because looking at this car makes me feel like the STI would have been fantastic. Maybe with the GR Corolla they'll change their mind and bring it out.

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

I honestly don't think that this car had anything to do with why Subaru killed the STI. It is really interesting to me that they have built a 2023 WRX to run in the 24hrs of the Nurburgring next year with what appears to be an FA24DIT engine in it. I do think that as good as this WRX is, the STI would have been even better. Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@ogpunkbuster Год назад

Conspiracy theory: since Toyota owns a share of Subaru there are rumors the STI was cancelled because it would interfere with GR Corollas hype/sales (the sudden announcement of cancelled STI makes it plausible). FA24 with STI drivetrain would dominant a GR Corolla in stock for stock... assuming the hp was the rumored 380 for VB STI. We will never know haha

@MikeG4936 Год назад

I don't like the language of "we're doing it right" in the sense that the customer is locked out and exhaust modifications are not allowed. This assumes the EPA is in the right for the crackdown in the first place. Tuning your car is not a crime. Too many accommodations have been made for the EPA and it is RUINING the hobby.

@bigo3902000 Год назад

The looks will never sell me on these. can't see myself ever buying regardless of the engine.

@CSHracer Год назад

Yeah, no. I'm sorry, I know the VB has a ton of potential and make great power with a few mods and tune, and I also I understand all dynos read differently base on MANY factors, but a stock VB isn't making the same WHP as a "stage 2 sti with high flow cats". Any properly tuned FBO STi will be making notably more power than a stock VB.. That was a big red flag claim here.

@RW-zh7kl Год назад

Do you mean.. potential to NOT be hideously ugly? Sometimes you have to move on, but making it ugly is a bad way to move on

@bradgreen987 Год назад

This guy's numbers are way off. My FA20 made 237whp before mods. And the EJ makes way more power stock, too. The new WRX is garbage, we all know it. Ugly too

@xtrekrex Год назад

The VB absolutely walks the VA. There are several videos out on this already. The numbers in this video seem completely accurate.

@AntilleanConfederation 3 месяца назад

Dude you don’t have to be so jealous lol

@murmsuniversalrobotics3938 20 дней назад

Lmao

@dannythompson1948 Год назад

Oh I'm pissed that I spent $21k on an STI, that I'm now $5k into an engine swap on.. I very nearly bought an orange '22....

@DylanVBWRX Год назад

Love my 22, but the STI is a beautiful ride

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

Good luck with the build. There are still going to be aspects of performance that the STI has the clear advantage in. Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@lilmixdboy Год назад

Keep the STI

@DylanVBWRX Год назад

@@lilmixdboy VB is a solid upgrade honestly

@-16-wrx- Год назад

The emissions stuff tho... ugh. Can't get rid of the TGV and the God forsaken EGR systems. I couldn't imagine tuning a car and leaving those in place.

@FlatironsTuning Год назад

I do understand, but that is likely the new norm for most of us. Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

@-16-wrx- Год назад

@@FlatironsTuning gotcha. Excited to see that that motor can do on e50 ish. That's what I run now on my 16wrx. Love the content!