Realmente es un lugar muy solitario para andar a solas por ahí. Pobres chicas sin malicia, sin mala intención, muy bonitas sin saber de la maldad de la gente del lugar. !Malas personas que de seguro deben ser parte de las autoridades!
37:19 is where I would nope right out. Up to that point, it's still unnerving but pretty hospitable. After that point: terrifying. Thank you very much for posting these videos; I've seen them all now and this is my second go through. Fascinating.
Пойти на эль Пианиста в шортиках и маечках, без какого-то ни было снаряжения - это же безумие ! Укусила змея - вот вам и начало трагедии, много ли надо почти голому безоружному белому человеку в джунглях.
También hay que recordar que dicho bosque se encuentra entre 2km a 3km sobre el nivel del mar, por la noche las temperaturas pueden caer hasta 0 grados Celsius, eso agrégale la humedad de un bosque tropical... Serpientes, Jaguares, Pumas, inundaciones, etc.
Ich finde, das umgekehrte ist der Fall : Wie zwei Mädchen , die Wälder und Dschungel nur ausm Fernsehen kannten (ja sie waren noch nie in ihrem Leben in nem Dschungel wandern - bis auf Kris die mit 9 einmal kurz in Peru mit ihren Eltern und nem Tourguide ne kleine Strecke wanderten ) , wie also diese zwei Mädchen ihr Ziel El Mirador - immerhin 5 km durch den Dschungel erreichen konnten, ist ein halbes Wunder. Das Einzige was auf ihrer Seite war: war das gute Wetter. Das wars. Darüberhinaus hatten sie weder nen Kompass, noch nen Tourguide, noch Kenntnisse über das Gebiet, noch ne Landkarte (und ne Google Map von Lisanne zählt nicht - denn bis heute ist auf Google Maps dieser Ort nicht gut kartiert - vor allem nicht die Wege ) , noch hatten sie naturwissenschaftliche Kenntnisse (zB das die Sonne zu Mittag immer im Süden steht - woraus sie Himmelsrichtungen zur Orientierung ableiten hätten können (bzw dass sie im Osten aufgeht, und im Westen untergeht, und pro Stunde 15 Grad am Himmel macht. - wie man per Analoguhr und Sonne zu den Himmelsrichtungen kommt, wußten sie auch nicht. Wie man über die Vegetation Himelsrichtungen bestimmt und orientiert, wußten sie auch nicht (Mooos wächst immer an der Nordseite von Bäumen). Die Indios in dem Gebiet ntzen übrigens mehrere Trampelwege - vor allem nach El Mirador - sodaß sich gerade nach El Mirador ein Labyrinth aus verschiedenen Trampelwegen ergibt. Die Mädchen hatten darüber hinaus weder irgendeine Ausrüstung - wie die Fotos beweisen noch Proviant (alte längst vrergessene Bergsteigerweisheit ist : wenn man auf ne Tour von 5 Stunden geht , soll man immer so viel Proviant mitnehmen, als wenn die Tour 2-3 mal so lang dauern würde (mindestens!) . Wie gesagt ich staune dass derart unvorbereitete kleine Mädchen überhaupt bis nach El Mirador kamen. Dass es im Video so leicht aussieht kommt nur daher, weil man Romain C ansieht, dass er a) sehr gut ausgerüstet ist, und auch viel Erfahrung hat, und es sich noch um den Andanf von El Pianista handelt, wo man noch viele Felder hat, und daher auch die Sicht gut ist.
there are zero signs in the trail how do you know which way is the correct I would have gone straight for example in 8.39 instead of turning left to the bridge
Читала, про то, что люди выдумывают много по поводу найденных десятков отпечатков пальцев на фотоаппарате этих девушек и делают грандиозные выводы. Я в путешествиях часто просила прохожих сфотографировать меня на фоне чего то. А у девочек были путешествия, молодежные вечеринки, как и у всех. Сколько же у меня на фотоаппарате можно было бы найти отпечатков пальцев!
Visto desde la comodidad de una casa es muy facil opinar.a mi me parece un lugar super peligroso en todo aspecto solitario caserío sospechoso el paso de la montaña tenebroso te pueden seguir y ni te enteras🇺🇾🇺🇾🇺🇾
Que cidade pitoresca! Toda a paisagem é belíssima, me encanta a amplitude da natureza e a sua diversidade. Fico me perguntando o motivo das garotas holandesas terem ido tão longe no trajeto. 10 anos em memória. Saudações desde Brasil. Felicitações pelo video!
¡Muy bueno! Increíble, fueron en julio y parece como si fuera época seca. Yo hice el recorrido en diciembre pasado y parecía como en plena época lluviosa.
@@Romain_C Una pregunta: ¿su equipo de investigación reconoció el lugar donde se tomó la foto 491? Cuando hice el recorrido no pude determinar con seguridad el lugar, pero me pareció que fue cerca de cruzar el primer río ya en la montaña.
@@Romain_C oui, j'espère y aller un jour. Merci Romain et amuse- toi bien au Panama. J'habite à Arraiján pas loin de la ville de Panama au cas où tu as besoin de qq renseignement
No puedo creer nunca fue siendo usted del lugar debe conocer a todos y seria logico que conozca la zona .soy de 🇺🇾🇺🇾y siempre trato de conocer lugares que tenemos muyyy bellos
When you record the surroundings from this low, it's really hard to distinguish the places that we saw in the photos of Kris and Lisanne's camera and original sounds are always better at capturing the place.
Exelente video ..... gracias por mostrar todo el camino al principio es hermoso.... después es q se pone horrible.....solo iría has dónde están las últimas casas
Now i understand when people said that the beginning of rail goes by people´s backyards, so it must be that girls are behind the summit. What camera do you use?
Have you ever visited Ahuchapan, El Salvador? I’d love to see more videos from there, my oldest’s fathers family is from there and we are in Ontario, Canada.
Absolutely gorgeous trail. But it looks like a steep incline already? I find it hard to believe a couple of novice hikers would've made it to the Mirador in what...just under a couple hours? With all those rocks?
Acompanho o caso faz um tempo, e que caso terrível, não saber o desfecho final me tirou algumas noites de sono, nós últimos dias voltei a rever o caso e me lembrei que estava próximo de postar vídeos, e aqui estou, postou vários, obrigado. Ótimo trabalho, parabéns. Sabe se existe ainda alguma forma de investigação, local ou de outro pais sobre o caso? Abraço.
Muita gente envolvida nesse caso. Vários pertences delas encontrados a kilometros de distância uns dos outros não faz sentido. Elas foram estupradas e mortas. O guia culpa no "cartório".
@@JottaGalvao Mas o que ainda ninguém consegue entender são as ligações em dias posteriores e em horários diferentes, elas ficaram na floresta perdidas junto com os assassinos atrás? É tudo muito estranho
Even this first stage is a lot more rock-strewn than I had been led to believe. I can see how anyone might take a tumble at any point here and turn an ankle.
I just dont see two girls going miles in to the jungle after summiting the mountain by themselves. A local was involved, someone they felt they could trust. Theres no way they would go past the summit on their own i cant buy it
@@2147B neither can I. They weren't adrenaline junkies nor were they irresponsible. Something happened shortly after photo 507. I don't believe they made any of those calls to the police from there onwards and they certainly didn't take any of the night-time photos. The killer(s) did all that to muddy the waters. And, oh boy, look how well it's worked.
Esto muestra una vez mas, que las chicas fueron a conocer el sendero pianista y tenían pensado volver esa misma tarde.Cómo ellas siendo inteligentes, irían vestidas con remeritas y shorts, con una mochila sin provisiones solo con celulares y una cámara, a meterse de lleno al monte( selva)? Con los peligros de un lugar tan desconocido para ellas A mí entender y por todos los videos que ví de este caso, me parece que eran dos jovencitas algo ingenuas y confiadas.Quienes las introdujeron en la selva privándolas de su libertad desde el primer momento, usando su cámara y sus móviles para confundir? Quienvlas asesinó tan salvajemente?
У меня два вопроса. Где там потеряться? И что там смотреть? Такое убожество кругом. А тропа только для теста: пройди и не сломай ногу или не порви связки.
они потерялись не там, а дальше намного, где идет запрещенный карибский спуск с этой горы в другую сторону, там никто не ходит и там реально все заросшее. почему убожество? красивая природа, а на Мирадоре великолепный вид. а где не убожество?
Au visionnage de cette première partie, difficile de croire à la possibilité d’un " égarement " de Chris et Lisanne....on y retrouve les mêmes pâtures à chevaux que dans mon département français, l’Yonne, avec leurs poteaux en bois munis de clôtures métalliques , électrifiees ou non....quel intérêt à dévier du chemin principal ?? De plus, je t’assure que j’ai randonné dans des environnements bien plus touffus que celui là....nous allons voir l’évolution par la suite...à suivre....
Their mistake is that when they got to the end of the pianist a trail they left it and ventured off into the jungle and crossed the Continental divide. That created a whole new ball game for the two girls that they were not prepared for. They didn’t have a Compass. They didn’t have emergency flares. They didn’t have loud shrill whistles. They didn’t have emergency supplies. They created their own death trap and suffered horribly for it. May they rest in peace
@@jamesbennett9620As a matter of fact they did have a compass on their cellphones (iPhone 4 and Samung Galaxy) which work off-line without internet connection. They just need to open the standard app and follow the arrow of the compass to the south where Bouqete is located. Lisanne took a map as well. That is why it is weird that they could get lost.
Imagine duas meninas estrangeiras lindíssimas, belas dando de cara com pessoas mal intencionadas. Com certeza foram abusadas por moradores local. Elas foram muito imprudentes. Sem itens de emergência, carregador extra de celular, lanterna, comida, vestimenta adequada etc.
Que lugar más feo,solitario,sin ninguna gracia. No puedo entender como estas chicas deciden ir a conocer este tipo de lugares existiendo tantos lugares más atractivos al turísmo y bellos. Obviamente la asesinaron,quizás venian unos pasos atrás de ellas o bien ya la esperaban en el mirador. Creo que hasta ahí llego su recorrido por voluntad propia,todas las otras fotos ya estaban secuestradas,su expresión cambia. Las llamadas y fotos posteriores solo un montaje para despistar.
Si pienso lo mismo, ellas no fueron con la intención de ingresar a la selva.Fueron arrebatadas y manipularon sus móviles y cámara de fotos para engañar.Jamás sabremos por el terror que han sufrido😪
My observations: 1. You are in remarkable shape since you never took one deep breath, 2. The same birds followed you the whole way, good training, 3. The trail is too easy to follow, absolutely no need for a guide, 4. the one time you turned around, we couldn't see Boquete, shameful.
I looked very carefully their photos.. And my conclusion is there😢 Its a mix of photos, with bad quality. Pictures are not all. They r cutted, probably by police. There r some important details which are hidden by green 🟢painting. Girls were accompanied by someone. Kriss was under drugs..simply judging by her face expression😢 They were attacked in baranco.. I see a raping of one of the girls. (It can b Lisan or another brunette girl) At the left top of the picture 2 men raping a girl. On a trail i also noticed human skulls.. After that pic lisan disappeared😢 Kriss allready was taken aback by her kidnepers 😢 A picture with kris 😢a last one. There kriss staying in a strange pose. I see a rope on her neck. Her hands tighted at the back. I see masks in blue 🔵colors (human face with horns) handmade wooden idols.. Little black african people with with strokes.. On the right side pigmey eating a human flash, there is a corpose of a man hanging on a tree.. This murder was a human sacrifice by cannibal tribe. I see a bronette girl sitting on a roof of the strange cave. Her legs are partly eaten. She is died. There is a sharp stick in her head. I see skulls, faces African faces, and white faces.. Probably girls were in captivoty with other people. They can keep them in a well. From which was difficult to get out.. A lot of skulls.. Flesh, blood on the ground😢 I saw several pictures with pigmay signs , wooden made idols.. This tribe live deeply in the jugle men, women, kids Little sized with white ⚪strokes of pain on a chest But the question is how girls managed to get in their captivity😢
So if they did the hike, I don't think they would have been lost (it's not like they went first time hiking. And idk how it is where you live, but in Austria, Germany, Netherland, Europe in general you learn to go hiking pretty early and we do it often. For me it's nothing special and I don't even enjoy it that much. Of course not everyone is the same but for my understanding they enjoyed it and one of them was even pretty experienced.) So I belive the 2 girls did know how to hike and what they can do and what not. That's why I believe, if they did the hike: they knew when to return, what to do in emergency and I don't believe they would have gone lost. What I rather much believe is that they 1 never went because one was sick and it was already pretty late and they wandered of in the city and to the entrance but never further into the trail and someone did something. Or someone did something along the trail. I can't imagine that they wandered of into the jungle and got lost just for fun. Everyone even says they were pretty smart and didn't take risks or did stupid things. So I can't imagine. Like I said. I am from Austria and went even with school a million times hiking. And I would not say that I am the most orientated person but I watched the videos and I would say that I don't believe I would have gone lost even with that age. No, especially in that age. Because you do many hikings in that age + i don't think they got injured and NO-ONE found them. If they would have gotten injured they would have screamed for help and someone WOULD HAVE FOUND THEM in all that searching etc. So maybe someone found them.... But not someone who wanted to help.
Okay and I will comment on where I think I would get lost. And even where I wouldn't walk right now (I have problems with my ankles at the moment) and this video is for sure nothing wild. I walk similar paths at home and I don't consider that hiking. It's more like I go for a walk. I thought I am really bad at hiking and don't have any condition (in comparison with friends it's true) but with y'all comments I think I might be better than I thought at hiking.
I have been working in the rainforests of Brasil for 27 years. With all due respect, you are underestimating this type of forest... Even more so considering that they were on the trail for the first time, without a guide, without GPS, with little water, clothes and food. Altitude, fog, heat, double paths only seen on the way back, darkness of the rainforest, a trail exit for whatever reason and you get lost... Happened to me several times... Even recently... After 27 years of experience...
As a matter of fact they did have a GPS/compass on their cellphones (iPhone 4 and Samung Galaxy) which work off-line without internet connection. They just need to open the standard app and follow the arrow of the compass to the south where Bouqete is located. Lisanne took a map as well. That is why it is weird that they could get lost.
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