Evolution Rage 5S Improving Dust Collection - Final Upgrade

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Evolution Rage 5S Improving Dust Collection - Final Upgrade
In this video I will try to improve dust collection on the Rage 5S table saw. If you got this saw you know the dust extraction is very very bad. If you thinking about buying this saw you need to know that it has many cool features but dust extraction is not one of them :P
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@puddinggeek4623 9 месяцев назад

Another really good video. Looking forward to seeing you incorporate the saw into your workbench set up, this is something I have been considering doing for a while as well. Keep up the good work.

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

Thanks 👍

@johntaylor2489 9 месяцев назад

Love it mate. Its like live tv. Chopping and changing ideas as you go. Really well done. I have one of these saws due to you😂. Mine will go in a box. Keep the rage5s research going mate.

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

Hehe thanks

@barry.w.christie 9 месяцев назад

BTW for the following, I'm not criticising you in anyway, in fact quite the opposite, at least you took time to try this approach and others 👍 So, right at the start you were against boxing in the bottom, but after all the bits and pieces of foam and rubber you added you had near enough boxed in the bottom 😁 I think boxing in the bottom is the best idea, there are only four bolts to remove the saw from the base, so not that much of a hassle. Once I'm feeling up to it, I might give it a try Tomasz and let you know how I get on ... as always, thanks for the time, effort and inspiration you give us 👍

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

Hehe boxing the whole base yes, that's the way forward. But what I meant was boxing just the the part where I added the rubber - if you were to box it with sheet material you wouldn't be able to move the head to any angle. With rubber it bends and follows the head when it's moved to 45 degrees. In my scenario the motor is outside the box which means it has good air flow to stay cool as it operates. When you box the whole base you are reducing air movement and cooling of the motor. And I'm a bit worried about that in the long run when I make a dust trap and incorporate the saw to my new workbench. Although I have just made a massive (for me anyway) purchase. A high volume low pressure extractor, I wonder how the performance will change with that beast. And it is a strong unit but surprisingly at decent price. More to cone soon on that 😅

@leswatts7305 6 месяцев назад

Hi Tomaz I have just purchased this saw and dust collection is one of the changes I am looking at. Your point about boxing it in and thereby creating more heat concerned me. However on reflection I wonder if by then running the extraction you will be drawing air into the box and thus cooling it? Les

@CasualDIY 6 месяцев назад

@@leswatts7305 the box can't be air tight, it's about the flow of air so yes, when you hook up an extractor you will force air movement thus cooling the motor.

@kstewart3657 9 месяцев назад

Good try. Like you I’m thinking of a cabinet build but don’t want to lose the space benefit of the folding stand. I agree with you that we progress by learning from our failures.

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

Exactly, and sometimes it's good to show the failures to take some learning from it

@Paul-iy9fr 9 месяцев назад

Thanks, I found this very interesting as it is a problem with the Rage 5s if you insert a zero clearance insert. Now you have me thinking :-)

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

Thanks for watching👍

@bigbadstig 9 месяцев назад

Another great video Tomasz, I agree with you that the amount of dust underneath is terrible.I'll keep watching hoping you find a foolproof way to stop it without using a cabinet. Cheers buddy

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

Thanks 👍

@MrBernie101 9 месяцев назад

I had this problem some years ago when I bought a Bench top table saw with a stand (Fox). I made a bespoke hood using 3mm ply. But not a total success, s o o o. I asked my wife very nicely, to make a curtain that goes all around where the saw sits on the frame using an old curtain and some knicker elastic and velcro joining one end to the other. Making a Skirt. What dust and chips miss the suction end of the hood, it falls to the floor contained within the "skirt" which I hoover up at the end of the day. Very little dust escapes into the air. Really enjoy your videos BTW Tomasz. Bernie. 👍👍

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

Interesting solution thank you for sharing 👍

@vs77mail 9 месяцев назад

I totally agree dust attraction is big issue with this saw. If some can 3D print few part then may be something can be achieved otherwise no chance. Anyway thanks for trying so we don't have to. As always thanks for sharing.

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

Thank you for watching

@phumphreys9827 9 месяцев назад

Definitely think @EvolutionPowerTools needs to add you to their research team or at least take you improvements on board on their next model

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

Oh I'm hoping for a new saw from them with all the improvements and little to no drawbacks but at the same price. Are we asking for too much?

@MCsCreations 9 месяцев назад

Excellent work, Tomasz! 😃 It may not be perfect, but I know very well the mess this kind of table saw makes. 😬 Mine is from Stanley... But I'm definitely going to look under it to see what I can do. For now, there's a black plastic bag taped under it. 😬 Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

Thank you kindly my friend

@lionandbear 9 месяцев назад

What odd timing. I literally took mine apart yesterday to measure up for an extractor hood. I’ll be tinkering with mine to see what I can come up with over the coming weeks.

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

Good luck 👍

@lionandbear 9 месяцев назад

Haha thanks mate. Mine is semi-built in to my workbench so I’ll be going with a cabinet style as you suggest.

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

@@lionandbear yes thats the only best way forward with this I think

@lionandbear 9 месяцев назад

Based on your extensive research into trying to tackle it I think you might be right! I’ll do a video once I’ve figured out what I’m going to do

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

@@lionandbear sounds good 👍

@timshackleford 9 месяцев назад

Hi Tomasz, I wrestled with this issue recently and ended up with an acceptable result. I made a hopper underneath the saw (similar to the dust hood you were planning to use initially) and attached it to the plastic body of the saw using the same bolts that are used to attach the folding legs. I have a 4" dust port at the base of the hopper. I tried removing the saw shroud and rear dust chute, as you did, but found the saw threw heaps of dust out the front of the saw, where the adjustment wheel has a slot. I tried taping up that slot as well as the rear slot, which helped a bit but not enough. So I replaced the internal saw shroud, opened up those front and rear slots and attached a second hose to the rear port. Now, with the saw connected to my 2HP dust collector by 2 hoses, hardly any dust escapes. I agree with @cos6907 that a high volume extractor is best for this application. That being said, you could put the dust shroud back on and try using a y-splitter to run two hoses. I think you'll find that having the whole base of the saw body sealed with a piece of plywood will give you a superior outcome.

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

Thank you for sharing your experience, greatly appreciated

@stevemcguire8978 9 месяцев назад

Hi Tomasz Have you seen the bag that is specifically for saws on stands? I thought about it but my workshop is very small and I have fold up the saw when finished cutting and is easier for me to just sweep up or get the vacuum on it.

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

Not seen them before however someone mentioned them in the comments. Could be an interesting solution🤔

@garywhittaker8832 9 месяцев назад

Dust collection pain with this saw is real, built mine on a stand with a box underneath and a large dust collection vacuum, STILL get loads of dust out of the front slots where the handles are and surprisingly a lot comes out of all the gaps between the top of the plastic case and bottom underneath of the bed. Also if you take the blade cowel off to stand it on a box, remember the motor needs airflow and the cowl is keeping the dust out of the motor so you have to put something just as complex (bendy) to get clean air to the motor, it's a nightmare.

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

Yes there is no one simple way of soring this out

@robertmaggi6979 9 месяцев назад

Hay Tomasz look up Timbecon Australia its a wood working store and they have a dust collection bag that u can fit under a table saw I'm not sure if it is universal but u may be able to adapt it to the rage 5 i was going to buy the rage 5 but i got a great deal on a used matabo in almost new condition and i could not let it slip as always all the best mate love your channel and I'm always looking fwd to your next video take care .

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

Thanks, now the next step is to integrate the saw to my new workbench. But the bag seems an interesting idea.

@geoffreycoan 9 месяцев назад

Have you seen Denis of Hooked on Wood's video about improving dust collection through the zero insert plate? He demonstrates how a lot of the dust on the table comes from the insert plate blocking the vacuum suction, and fixing that with holes in the plate

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

Oh there us plenty of dust going through I just can't seem to catch it. I'll look for that video, maybe he has some interesting pointers

@waynegaskell 7 месяцев назад

I've been looking into this recently. I guess the question would be how often do you use the tilt and store away feature. Now i have a workshop i rarely tilt this upright for storage. So i'm thinking of detaching from it's frame and creating a box base to capture all the dust from below. I'll let you know how i get on, but might not be for some time now.

@CasualDIY 7 месяцев назад

Yes I think the box dust catcher is the best solution.

@robertmaggi6979 9 месяцев назад

But on the flip side i would love to see u make a work bench with the rage 5 integrated in it that would be awesome video u would have a million views i hope u do i recommended your saw to a great friend and ex college of mine and he would love a tutorial video of the rage 5 table saw out feed assembly table again take care mate.

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

Yes that is coming for sure to my channel

@sachaschnauzer2903 9 месяцев назад

Don't have that type of saw, but would it possible to fit a drawer under the base area to collect the dust, then slide out to empty or vacuum out when done or even a vacuum port to plug into drawer face?

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

Would be very difficult to fit that with the foldable legs in the way. Best solution is to take the legs off and build a cabinet with a dust trap I think

@johnallen8680 9 месяцев назад

I'd try a far more powerful dust extraction machine..Borrowing or hiring one would be probably the best way forward for experimenting. Also, as already mentioned in the comments, the Rage 5 is essentially a site saw and dust collection was never going to be a priority when it was designed.. If the saw is for workshop use only I'd also go along with your idea of incorporating it into a workbench with a common work surface for sawing, routing and assembly. On large braked castors so you at least can move it.

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

That is true it seems there was hardly any intention to get the dust extraction to a reasonable state. I hope I will get better results when its integrated in my workbench.

@johnallen8680 9 месяцев назад

@@CasualDIY Yeah, also when I mentioned the Rage 5 was a 'site saw' I meant that in that it was in the nature of its design and not that it was intended for pro use. I E To be portable and low cost as opposed to being along the lines of a pro workshop cabinet saw where the machine is far more enclosed and dust extraction is properly addressed in its design.. It's been mentioned that the R5 could be replaced by such a machine but of course for most of us the expense means that is not an option.. Integrating a diy table saw into a bench is commonplace and despite that its been covered by other youtube channels I look forward to your take on it especially as I'm a R5 owner.. ( yep ! Mine is still unboxed !)

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

@@johnallen8680 time to take it out of the box and make something 👍

@michaelblackmore883 9 месяцев назад

Hi Tomasz I hope it works. A lot of hot glue to clean off if it doesn't! Mike

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

Didn't get great results to be honest

@michaelblackmore883 9 месяцев назад

@@CasualDIY I suppose you needed a much higher flow rate on the vac to capture all the dust. Probably be cheaper to replace the saw than get a bigger vac but maybe best of all would be your alternative idea to build a cart and remove the under frame and replace with a box under the saw. If it's easily mobile you could move it out of the way if you needed a bit more space and aren't using it. The router table could be incorporated into your workbench or hung on the front like Ron Paulk does on his Smart workbench.

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

@@michaelblackmore883 yes this saw will be integrated in my new workbench so I will make a dust trap underneath it

@kjlmorris 2 месяца назад

I have the same table saw as you, but it's usually stored away because my shop is small. Have you considered mounting an mft worktop over the saw, so that it can be easily accessed when needed?

@CasualDIY Месяц назад

Hi, no not considered a solution like that.

@sachaschnauzer2903 9 месяцев назад

Think the folding frame is making it awkward. Maybe a rolling cabinet base and have the router section fold down for storage or even lift off router table that could slide into the cabinet base?

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

Underneath dust trap is the way forward. I will be integrating this saw with my new workbench so we shall see how that will end up

@jfonly 9 месяцев назад

Your video was very interesting for me (I have the same machine), but what happened with the dusthood? Is this way not effectif? you didn´t show it.

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

You mean the over the blade cover? I wanted to see the performance of the new solution without any additions. It clearly showed most of the dust was from the front so with the over blade cover the dust is even less of a problem but still more than I'm willing to accept.

@jfonly 9 месяцев назад

@@CasualDIY ok, now I understand. thank you for your fast response

@anthonybillings7498 9 месяцев назад

I have eliminated 90 % of the dust by removing the stand and mounting on a cabinet with braked wheels so I can still move the saw when not in use

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

Yes, as I mention in my video I think that is the best solution.

@anthonybillings7498 9 месяцев назад

I added an internal board to the cabinet that fits the internal dimensions of the cabinet, it is fastened to the top edge of the front of the cabinet and the lower edge of the rear of the cabinet forming a slope down to where I installed the dust port.

@cos6907 9 месяцев назад

I think you need to take a step back before making all those changes to your saw. In my experience I don’t think you have enough extraction to the machine, it’s that simple. It appears you have a high pressure low volume extraction, you need high volume extraction I.e. a “bag unit “

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

Hmm you don't get large volume on a table saw, its fine dust not chips. High volume and low pressure would be better for thickness planer or a jointer not a table saw. And as you seen on the video the dust port on the machine is for standard shop vac hose and not for high volume machine, where the hose diameter is much larger.

@cos6907 9 месяцев назад

@@CasualDIY trust me I’m a retired dust extraction engineer and all the table saws I have connected to the dust extraction systems were all high volume systems. High pressure systems are for hand tools such as sanders for example that produce low volumes of dust but have a higher pressure resistance due to the small connections on the unit and their design. You need a bag unit that can handle at least 575 m3/hr at around 100mm WG. If you fit a taper onto the saw dust connection and enlarged it to 100mm then connect it with a plastic hose to the bag unit which will also have a 100mm inlet connection for 575 m3/hr your extraction to the saw should improve.

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

@@cos6907 hmm interesting 🤔 I can't afford a dust extraction like that at the moment however I my new workbench I could prepare a connection for a larger hose and when I do buy an extractor I will be good to go. Thank you 👍

@esskayrepairrestoration8265 9 месяцев назад

That saw is a dog for dust collection which is a key reason I got rid of it. It's a site saw, just get an actual cabinet saw and stop trying to turn it into one.

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

Hmm you could be right there 🤔

@JerGoes 9 месяцев назад

I must admit I hate Evolutions attitude to dust extraction, it's not even an afterthought. My Rage 3S is atrocious, the Rage 5S as you have demonstrated is pathetic and the less said about their tracksaw the better it's borderline unusable. Personally I have my Rage 5S cabinet mounted with a large drawer directly under it which is easily removed to tip the dust out, I'm going to take another look at the whole thing and try and come up with a more workable solution because a cheap (*&^ Titan tablesaw I had previously was infinitely better when it came to dust extraction.

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

Yes, its a shame they left the dust extraction like that. Although it is a jobsite saw so maybe that was the factor here🤔

@JerGoes 9 месяцев назад

@@CasualDIY You're being too kind to Evolution, I've used a number of other jobsite saws and none have been as bad in terms of dust collection. It's a real shame because bang for buck the Rage5S is an incredible piece of kit

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

@@JerGoes true, I'm hoping the next version Rage6 will get that issue sorted

@peterlewon7956 9 месяцев назад

Well there is 16 minutes I'll never get back. I naively thought that you would be showing something that actually worked. Silly me. Not sure what your point was in posting this.

@CasualDIY 9 месяцев назад

Its about the process, what I have tried. Failures are as important, it could be an inspiration for someone to come up with something that works, or what not to waste time on doing.