Join us as we continue with part 2 of our interview with Camille Jones where we discuss her employment with the LDS church, the role of women in the patriarchal church employment system, and what eventually caused her to lose her faith in Mormonism.
A huge ‘thank you’ to Camille for being brave enough to tell us her story! Camille’s journey is a fascinating one to say the least!
**Content Warning: This episode contains discussion of depression and suicidal ideation.**
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Show notes:
CES Letter: cesletter.org
00:00 Introduction
01:43 Camille summing up her job titles and explaining how she found her job at the LDS church
04:29 Expectations of the job and the reality
05:35 How is the church organized?
10:57 Meeting Nelson.
11:29 Meeting Monson. Rumors about his mental health.
12:36 Medical issues in management.
15:22 Where Camille started
16:14 Camille feels she is underutilized
18:29 Moving up to administrative site
19:10 Reports about missionaries with past issues and/or medical or mental health issues
20:05 Insights about disqualification for a mission, procedure
23:46 Signature of the prophet and management
26:19 Perspective , dreams of making a career
28:04 Explaining staff structure for Q12, Q70
30:05 Working for the Q70
30:54 Atmosphere men vs women
34:09 Roles for women in management
36:48 Ordained women movement
38:25 How did Camille deal with the inequality?
40:21 Referring to Linda Clydes' interview and talking about it
42:23 Irony of Camille not being utilized and Kate Kelly outside wanting to empower women
43:30 Start of depression issues. Journaling.
45:19 Describing being underutilized. Lottery who you got to work with
47:08 Harmful effects of the patriarchal system
50:19 Addressing single women, other groups like LGBTQ
51:15 What's a GA's life like?
58:18 Pay for GA's, not being able to find an apartment for herself
59:44 Leak about pay for church management
1:01:53 Looking for jobs outside the LDS church?
1:05:05 Chronology of the assignments and how did it affect the mental health
1:06:45 Private bathrooms, cafeteria, gym
1:07:56 Pecking order, intrigue
1:12:34 What environment is this? Manipulation?
1:13:44 Any scandals, excommunications?
1:15:35 "Less straightforward predatory experience"
1:22:49 It was a mess. Catalyst that took her over the edge
1:26:14 Camille starts developing a depression
1:31:54 Feeling the need to let her boss know. Changed assignment
1:34:53 LDS trying to fire her. Pushing back.
1:36:07 Being left on her place, helping new GA's. No improvemnt in the work
1:40:17 Covid hits. This was good for Camille.
1:43:23 What changes does Camille hope for?
1:44:44 Compensation at LDS compared to national average
1:45:33 How did your faith and testimony develop during all that?
1:46:43 Shelf breaks, but ignoring it. Conversations with an inactive sister
1:54:47 Camille wishing that the LDS make it a better place to be
1:56:05 Reading CES letter after having decided she was done
1:59:23 Dealing with depression is powerful enough to stop God talking to someone
2:00:48 Trying callings to be more actively participating
2:02:01 Issues in the CES letter
2:05:54 Looking at the book of Mormon with a new view fairy tale
2:10:12 Taking off garments
2:12:09 Chi tea! New job. Going back to school: archaeology
2:13:15 How did faith unravelling feel like?
2:15:30 Why come on today? Where'd you find the courage?
2:17:17 Improving mental health
2:19:23 Speaking to people who are currently in a position where she was
2:22:36 Still a member? Resignation?
2:29:02 Camille getting a second chance for herself
2:31:00 Future endeavors
2:33:34 Who's more historical: Moroni or Robin Hood?
2:34:38 Closing remarks Carah and John
28 июн 2024
