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@chaptermastermoloc7331 2 года назад

Am I the only one seeing really bad artifacts in the video ik my wifi is good and I restarted twice is anyone else seeing that. Still really good so far

@savvidisaudio 2 года назад

yes, most likely an exporting issue

@OperatorAegea 2 года назад

Yeah ive seen it in a couple of the past videos

@adamkloc9518 2 года назад

yes

@Decrepit_biker 2 года назад

Me too

@fortdriver 2 года назад

Same and I have good wifi

@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 2 года назад

That P-47 variant had 2600hp.

@jif.6821 2 года назад

Boy did I especially enjoy this episode. My dad was a Pacific Theater veteran so he got to see both warbirds in his theater of operation. When I turned seven my dad got me 3 models 1/48 scale, a Zero, a P-38, and a Hellcat. Within a year I had added a P-47 to my collection. Within a couple years I had almost all WWII Pacific Theater fighters both American, and Japanese. I still have most of these over 50 years later. I always wondered which plane might be superior in a dogfight. You answered that question for me tonight, and I thank you.

@TheGunfighter45acp 2 года назад

It's nice to see a Hellcat in DCS! I know, I know, but still...

@CakePrincessCelestia 2 года назад

/watch?v=rGjF7b1UvnE&t=1h4m32s - one day...

@doc7000 2 года назад

The F6F has an advantage at this low altitude, try this at 25,000 feet and watch who wins.

@Mobius118 2 года назад

Good point, I kinda forgot about that

@Broncoman-lk2zn 2 года назад

In the early 1990's, I played a flight sim game on a Mac. It was called "Hellcats over the Pacific". A great game for the era.

@Riccardo_Silva 2 года назад

In these times of fairly experienced simmers and fairly well detailed sims, it looks a bit weird a Hellcat with an unmistakably P-51 interior! BTW the F6F is on of my favorite mounts (that is to say, the plane in which i'm being shot down more often! 😅🤗)

@electricharmonyac7354 Год назад

you'd think theyd use the p47 cockpit over the p51

@markjames8902 2 года назад

Results are surprising only in that the P-47 did so well. The Hellcat was designed specifically to dogfight and beat the A6M Zero, which out-turned just about everything in the air back then. The F6F earned more kills than any other Allied aircraft in WWII despite the fact that it entered service well after the war began. The Bearcat, which followed it, was an even more awesome plane, but it was phased out quickly when jets came on the scene.

@johnsmith-gk4td 2 года назад

I think the Hellcat had the highest ratio for Naval aircraft, but Jug had the highest ratio for allied fighters.

@scootiepatootie7721 Год назад

@@johnsmith-gk4td nah the p38 had the highest

@johnsmith-gk4td Год назад

@@scootiepatootie7721 P-38 isn't a naval aircraft and it was wasn't the best allied aircraft of WWII. Definitely in the top 10 though.

@scootiepatootie7721 Год назад

@@johnsmith-gk4td ah I didn’t see “naval”

@rockrendmcdougall 2 года назад

At the beginning…yes but it improves as you get further into the video

@greybuckleton 2 года назад

"I'm going to wear him down, force him in to an error." Cap talk for I cant lead a a gun shot! You had him on toast most of the fight! The Jug can't really win a dog fight with the Hellcat, thats not its game. I would say when in such situations myself I try to stay out of plane and force head on passes. A head on is 60-40 in the P47s favour.

@racekar80 2 года назад

Jug forte was high altitude escort duty, and its ability to take hits and bring the pilot home. It did not do low altitude ground attack until late in Europe when there was not much chance of enemy fighter attacks. It excelled in diving attacks.

@tombeers3489 2 года назад

Exactly. Not a fair match here.

@getsideways7257 2 года назад

Will you modders give up already replacing the P-51D's 3D model with some other one and calling it a different plane?

@ciwiyeet8216 2 года назад

ikr, I'm just waiting for a warbird with an f-15 cockpit 🤣

@HO-bndk 2 года назад

Videos like this just encourage them.

@CakePrincessCelestia 2 года назад

I'd rather put some GAU-13 Pave Claw pods on the A-10 and go full BRRRRRRT³ than fly some of those...

@getsideways7257 2 года назад

@@CakePrincessCelestia Some? There is just a handful of mods that deserve to be flown at all, one of them preparing to get released as a module, the other one stays a mod as a matter of principle. And not a single decent prop plane mod in sight...

@dr.ryttmastarecctm6595 2 года назад

The Hellcat was known as the, _Stub-nozed Killer!”_

@NefariousKoel 2 года назад

The heavier P-47's advantage would've been at high altitude where it's huge high-altitude supercharger rig would make a big difference in the thin air.

@greybuckleton 2 года назад

Turbocharger, but yes your right. Also the Plan in a P47 is not to turn but to Boom and Zoom.

@paladamashkin8981 2 года назад

Which is why the Corsair is the best. A small engine adjustment and it does both.

@mikeck9946 2 года назад

No, I believe it is a supercharger

@gort8203 2 года назад

@@greybuckleton The terminology as used at the time was turbo-supercharger or turbine supercharger. It was considered and IS a supercharger, just one powered by exhaust gas rather than engine torque. This was just the additional turbo fitted in the fuselage, as the engine still had its integral geared supercharger.

@greybuckleton 2 года назад

@@gort8203 even now when they teach aircraft engines they talk of "Supercharging" with 3 sub catagories. Chemical-supercharger, turbo-supercharger, mechanical-supercharger. If you look at the powerplant from the P47 the turbocharger was massive. The assembly is so large it's what gave the plane it's shape. The small sequential supercharger in the engine doesn't do much of the work. The P47 had 300hp extra by 25,000 feet because of the turbo compared to twin supercharged aircraft.

@CakePrincessCelestia 2 года назад

26:37 That's what I'd call a merge. Literally.

@gort8203 2 года назад

Again fighting on the deck, where the P-47 is out of its element. Of course F6F will turn better there, but take the fight up to 25,000 feet and the P-47 will have an advantage in sustained maneuverability.

@felixx75 2 года назад

Wich F6F? I only can see a P-51 with an other 3d-model...

@gort8203 2 года назад

@@felixx75 I agree, and I suspect this F6F not only had a P-51 cockpit but flew more like a P-51 than an F6F. But actually I'm not at all interested in these half-baked mods. I was just pointing out that dogfighting on the deck is not a meaningful comparison, especially if the modder came at all close to a realistic model actual aircraft performance.

@GrumpyGamerGuy 9 месяцев назад

Let's redo all of these, such a blast to watch! You two provide epic fights!! Thank you!

@thomasroth4695 2 года назад

Best dog fight ive seen yet

@Kaelland Год назад

The P-47 was designed to be a high-altitude bomber interceptor. It did well against German fighters when it could start above them, dive down on them, and then zoom climb back up. Going from level flight to a climb, it was outclassed by pretty much everything it went up against. Eventually, the P-47 was upgraded to have a propeller with wider blades, which greatly improved the climb rate of the Jug. This started somewhere in the P-47D variants, and by the time the P-47D-28 came out, all of the planes were built with the new propeller. My understanding is that the P-47 variants in the game are the P-47D-30 and the P-47D-40, both of which should have the upgraded propeller. So while the Thunderbolt may not climb as fast as you would like it to, it could very well be worse if you were using the original P-47B variant or the P-47C.

@kenhelmers2603 2 года назад

Iconic planes - good fun!

@warbuzzard7167 2 года назад

20:50 "Going to do a head-on;" looks like you've already done one... Headless Horseman!

@andygray9285 2 года назад

Nice

@paladamashkin8981 2 года назад

Simba did great at pushing the jug. Some practice and I think he could make it dance well.

@kaesees 2 года назад

Nb. the second "F" in F6F isn't a submodel designation, but rather the manufacturer code for Grumman. It was made prior to the 1962 Tri-Service Aircraft Designation System, so the 1922-1961 fixed-wing Naval aircraft designation system was used, and it was kind of odd like that. It's why the F4F Wildcat and the F4U Corsair were completely different planes with zero relationship - the Wildcat was a fighter (F) that was the 4th (4) design from Grumman (F), and the Corsair was a fighter (F) that was the 4th (4) design from Vought (U). The different versions of the Hellcat were designated F6F-3, F6F-3E (with radar for night fighting), F6F-3N (a different night-fighting radar), F6F-5 (the variant the modders most likely used here with the 2200 HP engine), etc.

@jaomircourtar1501 2 года назад

For a p47 to be that low he must've screwed up badly😂😂 boom and zoom is the nwke of the gsme for the 47

@shannonnezul4903 2 года назад

At high alt. You've got so many more options than just up and down in the 47' most people don't know the jug can out turn a 109 at 30k ft.

@WhiteHatH4x0r 2 года назад

Love the Warbirds! Especially the F6F

@snipe1973xxl 2 года назад

How about fighting the Hellcat at 20,000-30,000 feet?

@johnsmith-gk4td 2 года назад

Exactly

@felixx75 2 года назад

Wich Hellcat...?

@Mobius118 2 года назад

They should do this rematch just to see (as in it doesn’t have to be official)

@B7RDemonLord 2 года назад

absolutely love these old warbird dogfights. can we plz get more of these?

@grimreapers 2 года назад

rgr

@lohrtom 2 года назад

Is visibility from the cockpit properly modeled in the Hellcat? From the looks of both aircraft at the beginning the Hellcat has no rear visibility where the P-47 has a bubble canopy.

@BCSchmerker 2 года назад

+GrimReapersAtomic *The Grumman has a double-superiority, viz., 5% better power loading and 20% lower wing loading, on the faster-rolling Republic.* The USN F6F was built for the attack carriers, therefore had to clear a maximum wing-loading limit. The U. S. Army P-47 was built for speed and range for bombardment escort. In this vid, the P-47 gunsight reticle is correct (viz., consistent with the U. S. Gunsight N3); the F6F reticle was supposed to be consistent with the USN-USMC Reflex Sight Mk 8 Mod 2, with the "six-spoke" layout (viz., the four "cardinal-direction" spokes plus two diagonally downward).

@matthewulmer2511 11 месяцев назад

Greetings, I was wondering where I can purchase the F6F for DCS. I didn't see it in the DCS modules. Ty for any help.

@shannonnezul4903 2 года назад

To win in a P-47 against a hellcat at low altitude... RUN home, hope your armor saves your unlucky skin. @ 30000 feet you've got options @20000 ft you've got a chance @10000ft pray you have a friend and he doesn't.

@getsideways7257 2 года назад

When will you people learn... It's not a "Hellcat", it's the P-51D. Different 3D model doesn't make it a "Hellcat"

@shannonnezul4903 2 года назад

@@getsideways7257 🧂 🧂🧂 for all the information we have available these results are semi congruent to reality anyway. Low speed low altitude f6f wins. More interestingly the mod changes the power of the engine and some other turn characteristics (lift) so as a base, yes 51' however having flown both its definitely different.

@getsideways7257 2 года назад

@@shannonnezul4903 What makes you think the mod changes the lift? Maybe the engine power, most definitely the weight, but neither of that makes it a Hellcat.

@shannonnezul4903 2 года назад

@@getsideways7257 someone didn't read the whole comment and is too interested in being correct. If you are going to be critical please critically think first. If you can't figure it out, its not that the mod "is" anything, its more interesting seeing what it changes.

@getsideways7257 2 года назад

@@shannonnezul4903 Again, what makes you think it changes the lift? Before coming up with such ideas maybe it's you who should develop critical thinking instead?

@BrokenandRestored 2 года назад

This video was a lot of fun and ended as expected. Now, with all your expertise in DCS, can you have a dual between an F7F Tigercat vs a P38J Lightning... Let's have some more fun if available.

@grimreapers 2 года назад

nice idea

@sbizzzy 2 года назад

are you using TrackIR ? those head movements look smooth, precise, and effortless

@CakePrincessCelestia 2 года назад

IIRC it's Delanclip + Opentrack, but he might have gotten the real thing. Well, not as if the real thing was VR, on a side note :D

@sbizzzy 2 года назад

@@CakePrincessCelestia thanks. im trying to see if i can get away with the DIY solutions or drop the $150 on TrackIR. I’ll be testing webcam with OpenTrack and AITrack tonight.

@13christbane 2 года назад

I would be interested to see if the Hellcat can boom and zoom with the Jug

@MrDanielrarity 2 года назад

Cap, i think moving those two levers forward that are above the flap handle will help a bit with your overheating

@grimreapers 2 года назад

thx

@hasina1461 2 года назад

Overheating isn’t a problem if you don’t get slow ;) can run the engine at 61inches and 3000RPM for 15 minutes if you keep airspeed. 3000RPM and 60inches doubles that add WEP to the 61inches to get 65inches and you can run that for 5 minutes

@FlyingWithSpurts 2 года назад

@@hasina1461 Keep what amount of airspeed? 200, 250?

@hasina1461 2 года назад

@@FlyingWithSpurts i feel anything less then 200 you start to get some cooling problems, you can see this for yourself in sim. Just go into instant action and just perform nice gentle loops. As you get past the 1/4 mark in the loop when your airspeeds starts to bleed off watch the temperature gauges and you will see them start to increase quickly. especially the oil one which is why its good to manage your power a little at the top of the loop to lessen the temperature build up and gravity will help pull the nose round anyway. keeping around 250 is definatly a safe bet but you wont always be at 250 when performing vertical energy management manoeuvres

@mrlodwick 2 года назад

A German pilot called Heinz Knoke used a corkscrew climb to defeat the Mighty jug all the time he was head to head.

@CakePrincessCelestia 2 года назад

The Chandelle was widely used by 109 drivers.

@ra803g6 2 года назад

I believe these "slip" you saw was a skid. A slip is adverse yaw to the outside if a turn as far as I understand.

@photodan24 2 года назад

What's causing the potato-vision? Is it a capture problem or the RU-vid compression?

@grimreapers 2 года назад

sorry about that, I think it's because I've been running DCS in the background while rendering the vids. Fingers crossed shouldn't happen again.

@Masteroftee 2 года назад

Did only i get some weird graphics effects?

@fortdriver 2 года назад

I got a lot and I have good wifi and try restarting the video

@grimreapers 2 года назад

sadly yes the beginning of the vid has gone weird for some reason :(

@HO-bndk 2 года назад

@@grimreapers Yes, the graphics are so corrupted it almost looks like that Mustang turned into a Hellcat!

@gomezgomez6299 2 года назад

Bubble canopy on a F6 F????????? No way! It’s a F8 Bearcat….the only one of the TUBBY fighters with a bubble canopy right?

@chrisoz4929 2 года назад

I have the same compression artefacts

@grimreapers 2 года назад

sadly yes the beginning of the vid has gone weird for some reason :(

@dnillik 2 года назад

I wonder if the results would have been different at high altitudes, the P-47 was built for that while the Hellcat was built for low to medium

@grimreapers 2 года назад

agree

@Anarchy_420 2 года назад

F-6F Hellcat VS MIG-17👍

@lukefig3530 2 года назад

He’s gotta be the least confident pilot in his planes but it very entertaining

@EGLately Год назад

I've flat spun my P47 several times during the Wolf pack campaign. Very Frustrating! I've been looking for a p47 vs p51 fight on your channel bud haven't found it. If you haven't already done it I'd love to see that fight.

@looneytunes47 2 месяца назад

A P-47 pilot would never leave the cowl flap open in flight under any circustance however have the oil cooler door fully open wouldnt cause to much extra drag most guys overheat the engine by not bringing back the manifold presure 1st before backing off the throttle with the supercharger in operation

@CLOCKEDDDD 2 года назад

Cap! There's artifacts!!!

@fortdriver 2 года назад

Yeah

@johnvvoorthuijzen2653 2 года назад

Indiana Jones has been looking for those

@grimreapers 2 года назад

sadly yes the beginning of the vid has gone weird for some reason :(

@charlesbukowski9836 2 года назад

you guys are not using the roll rates of those two enough... roll and vectoring are your friend in the Jug and somewhat in the Hellcat

@hasina1461 2 года назад

some strange video glitches going on here but even the hellcat wasnt really a turn fighter none of the US ww2 birds are really all boom and zoomers as for how to win in a jug vs a hellcat id try to gain a little altitude to then gain enough speed in a dive to be able to go over the top and just use the jugs massive prop to pull and hold my nose up the cowls can be fully closed as the radial engine does a good job of cooling itself by default. then when the hellcat starts turning to avoid you, utilise the vertical to keep going up and coming down on him. tough fight for the jug though definatly give me a shout for a p51 vs K4 or p51 vs spitfire fight ;)

@getsideways7257 2 года назад

It's the P-51D

@hasina1461 2 года назад

@@getsideways7257 P-51D-25-NA or P-51D-30-NA in DCS or Mustang IV if it’s a P-51D in RAF service

@getsideways7257 2 года назад

@@hasina1461 I don't think -25 and -30 are all that different in DCS anyway. The mod uses their .dll, most likely modifying the weight and maybe the engine power. But other than that, you are still flying the 'stang.

@grimreapers 2 года назад

sadly yes the beginning of the vid has gone weird for some reason :(

@hasina1461 2 года назад

@@getsideways7257 there are a few minor differences D-25-NA should be slightly lighter due to it having less equipment build it. If you look at both models externally you will see on the D-25-NA an antenna missing under the nose of the aircraft along with only having a singular antenna down the spine of the aircraft compared to the 30-NA which has 2 on the spine and one under the aircraft

@HO-bndk 2 года назад

Could'nt you have at least painted the P-47 green with red spots and pretended it was a Zero?

@grimreapers 2 года назад

I got in trouble last time for doing that :(

@keithwhisman 2 года назад

I don’t get it, Thunderbolts were known for being able to absorb hits even to the engine and survive.

@veespike 2 года назад

"It's DCS."

@myusername3689 2 года назад

Air force vs Navy

@IdahoBookworm 2 года назад

"Both use the professional flight model. The Hellcat uses the P-51's." Then it's not a professional flight model, dude. You can't just say it's modified from a totally different plane and call it professional. Yeeeeeesh.

@onnipatri3810 2 года назад

Guys can you please choose for me do i buy f-14 tomcat or f-18 hornet on dcs:)))????

@lazaglider 2 года назад

GR recent vids. As corrupt as politicians.

@dahcustodian 8 месяцев назад

they arnt suuposed to be fightining at these altitudes in these types of engagements

@jefferynelson 2 года назад

Star Trek fans- 31 days of heavy alcohol use cured my Section 31 brainwashing !! get a bottle & get to work !

@vabch82 Год назад

P47 is boom and zoom

@davidkoon767 2 года назад

HELLCAT GREAT PLANE

@felixx75 2 года назад

It's a great plane!! But there is no F6F in this video 😉

@bubithebear3690 2 года назад

am I watching a war thunder gameplay?

@cliffordhauenstein7425 2 года назад

I decided not to watch this as it begins with an OBVIOUS MISTAKE IN THE ENGINE SPECS. *Please someone let me know where or if I'm wrong BUT: This starts out saying that the P-47 was powered by a 2300 hp radial engine showing a 399 per ton hp rating. In fact *(please correct me if I'm wrong here) the P-47 Thunderbolt was powered by a 2800 hp Double Wasp engine. "The P-47 was designed around the powerful Pratt & Whitney R-2800 Double Wasp 18-cylinder radial engine"...giving the P-47 a 444 hp per ton rating, NOT A 399 hp per ton rating as this video says! If I'm not mistaken in terms of my specs, this comparison video is completely inaccurate! The 2800 hp Double Wasp engine is roughly 22% more powerful that the engine that this comparison uses!!!

@allengilby3054 8 месяцев назад

Im team hellcat. Go

@papat7435 2 месяца назад

Simba is truly horrible.

@skyportalmusic7178 2 года назад

Jesus Loves You All

@stevenleach9522 3 месяца назад

I'm with the P-47 also...! Wave 👋 to "Simba" who favors the Good Ole Jug/Thunderbolt...!!! 😊 ❤❤❤ I'm confident the F6F Hellcat can NOT beat the P-47 at or above 18,000 feet...!!! 😅😅😅 😂😂😂

@stevenleach9522 3 месяца назад

Fight at altitude.....!!!!!

@stevenleach9522 3 месяца назад

Use the P-47's roll rate advantage & at high altitude because the Thunderbolt is a high altitude fighter. F6F Hellcat is a low attitude fighter...! Rematch must be at high, medium, & low level combat altitudes...! Please, please, please - REMATCH, REMATCH, REMATCH AT LOW, MEDIUM, & HIGH ALTITUDES....😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

@stevenleach9522 3 месяца назад