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"Her blandness is so intense that it attracts mythological creatures" basically summarizes every book that got published during the year span of 2005-2016
That quote 😭 I’m sure there’s some in books I’ve not yet heard of, but for once I’d like a supernatural YA movie adaptation to have a bright, bubbly female lead. Not second or third lead, but THE lead. AND NO BLUE OR GRAY FILTERS. I hated the blue filters in Twilight. If the story alone can’t create the supernatural mood, the filters just make it depressing and boring. I mean, look at TVD! Yes, I know it’s a show, not a movie, but just watching the Pilot episode is 🤩 You just know it’s a supernatural story, and yet it’s sunny in Mystic Falls! And there’s no blue or gray filters! And Elena isn’t bland. (But that’s not the kind of female lead I was talking about in the beginning of this comment. No, I was thinking more like Caroline Forbes, except not blonde. I feel like there’s two extremes in the media: The stereotypical mean blonde girl, or the stereotypically fun blonde girl while the brunette is the “less” fun one.) And watching Twilight without the blue filters...you see it more clearly what’s wrong with the movie. There’s no personality to it. I want sunshine! I want natural colors! I want humor! Who said supernatural YA romances can’t have it all?
I understand the blandness of the character is supposed to be so girls can easier project themselves on to her, like a blank canvas sort of situation (not saying I like it though!) 😁
@@Janabraat1234 that’s a possibility i haven’t thought of, i thought that the writer was just too lazy to actually develop a personality, male characters tend to be more dimensional, (not like they have many layers, but at least one more than female)
Yeah, I gues the cloud was kinda low and walking through a lonely forest, feeling lonely. He definitely didn't expect someone else there, so he felt a kinship with her, surely she will understand his pain. Bitch runs away, no one undestands emo cloud.
"Even if it means being locked up, I'd rather be me than pretend to be something I'm not just to fit in," said no-one with a mental illness ever. But yeah, having hallucinations is SO quirky!
I hate this whole “I want to be me than conform to society” excuse that’s used here. The character is sacrificing so much of her freedom to be who she is when all she is, is a blander ripoff of Bella. This guy is right, it really is just a bait to lure in people who feel ostracized or socially awkward people
"Ma'am, your hallucinations and vague mental illness are a direct and proximate cause to the death of a CHILD. By not taking them, you constitute a danger to yourself and others. Just taking the fuckin medicine."
Yeah if anything they’d just pretend the hallucinations went away or say they’ll take the meds then immediately stop once they’re out. Or maybe assault the therapist and need to have an orderly or two come in to restrain them.
Yeah, in the series Lost, there was a mystery monster cloud attacking people. Im guessing the writer got the idea from the series because it was released before the book in 2004
It was some kind of shadow of the past that was drawn to her because of who she was and she was scared of it because each one of them pretty much hold a past life and every time she went into one she watched herself spontaneously combust and die from what I remember. She eventually chose to go into them and watch herself die because she just had to know what the truth was because broody kept wanting to run away because if she remembered or kissed him she would fucking explode but still couldn't keep his lips to himself and leather jacket was like fuck you keep your hands to yourself and stay away from her completely or you'll kill her you fucking idiot. And then broody is all like you can't trust leather jacket because he chose Lucifer's side and he's a bad guy and shes like omg I can't believe you leather jacket I trusted you. There's nothing wrong with broody in fact he was only put here for jaywalking. Idk how tf that happened. A school for the worst of the worst and somehow broody ends up there for jaywalking. The chick that dies in the beginning is trusted to work with the records so she tells her new friend satan's ex that her crush broody isn't as bad as the rest of them cause he didn't actually do anything bad. And somehow her and broody are insanely in love even though god specifically made her FOR Lucifer which is why her name in every incarnation is some sort of relation to his. God made her satan's fucking soul mate. And broody just wanted to be loved and thought she was perfect for him and HIS soul mate. Honestly, I think the books were well written (better than twilight and I mean grammar wise because there were actually some misspelled words in twilight that they missed and I can't really remember any errors in fallen. There probably are some but I don't remember anything as stupid as something being misspelled. ) but the plot was like wtf. I'm now questioning whether the whole thing was come up with while sober or the author was on all kinds or drugs along with alcohol.
Okay so I read all of these books in the span of like 3 weeks back in middle school and had practically forgotten about them until now. I think you underestimate the finale. This author really said “let’s make DEVIL a love interest. Let’s incorporate time travel. Let’s have a court case that predates earth take place in Heaven over the concept of romantic love. Let’s rewrite the Bible, cause that book doesn’t have enough tragic love stories in it, and in the end, let it all be for practically nothing” and ong it had me in a chokehold
Honestly this sounds exactly like what he describes, kind of a typical tween girl self-insert drama with a bland main character that everyone likes for no reason at all because she's just born special. Let me take a guess at the basic plot and you tell me how accurate I am. It starts of with the "he's a bad boy but I can change him, dad!" trope (the devil), they fight at first but she can't stop thinking about him. The main heroine and him are obviously star crossed lovers, but it's also really really risky, but also meant to be because fate and stuff. Their love is literally so important and strong and special in the whole universe that the literal angels in heaven had to have an entire debate about how forbidden their love is. OOOH the forbidden fruit! But she's conflicted since the devil is HOT and there's this other guy who's literally perfect for her but too nice and sensitive, will she make the right decision??? The literal fate of the universe hangs in the balance of her deciding who she wants to fuck. Then enter actual protagonist, some conflict happens, the author needs to go back and fix major plot holes with a time travel narrative so the story makes sense again and you at least feel like something has happened, but in the end the useless antagonist is beaten easily through team-work by the bad-boy and the heroine after they realise they're in love, and the story ends perfectly with the boy-toy devil subdued as her new bf, plus the leftover nice-guy suddenly fully supports their relationship and they are best friends forever after.
@@yinyangsaladgang8789 no no even your underestimating it. Love in a romantic sense did not exist before Luc and the Devil developed feelings for each other and she was the left hand of God. And the conflict? The devil was actually hella abusive and possessive over her and she found comfort from that toxic relationship in the form of Daniel, which was the first Eros love in the universe. The heavenly trial is over whether Agape love vs Eros love. And the whole curse is because half the angels want to feel Eros love and now that the devil can’t have Luc he’s trying to ban it. It ties into old Jewish mythology of angels and humans, the watchers, and nephilim. Hella wild and I still don’t even remember the ending
@@bryt1040 i hate to say it but i did in fact not only read all of them but remember them vividly enough (but not what i ate for breakfast today) and it ended by the entire cast prepping for a massive world ending battle but then god herself came down and they basically talked for a few minutes (imagine if they just talked before this point and with an omniscient, omnipotent god i feel like this could have been solved far earlier without risking the balance between heaven and hell but whatever hehe so silly) and she, the devil, luce, daniel, and all of their friends decided to fucking kill them right there and reincarnate them one last time and no divine intervention - if they reincarnated across the world from each other, sucks lol. but of course they happened to both attend dartmouth i think? or some other ivy league and it ends with an implied happy ever after (implied being they looked at each other and blinked and all that). i think their angel friends were all looking after them too which literally flies in the face of their god's ruling? idk it was wild. forgive me if this isnt accurate im not entirely sure it isnt a fever dream from my 12 year old self. frankly i dont think ill remember typing this answer.
I've read all four of those books back in my teens, and my main conclusion up to this point is - you could make two books out of it and lose none of the plot.
I liked the plot so I read all 4 books in my teens! But I honestly can't remember anything from the 4th book! Only that everything felt ridiculous and dragged! I know I liked Cain, which the autor killed of! The Ml ( devil) Was overly possessive and not likable a few times. On others he was daring😂. But after the twilight series so many books wanted to ride on this and failed. This one was one of the better ones!
As someone who swam all four years of high school, the fact that this dude chose Butterfly to swim away from her in that scene is hilarious. It's such a flex that I cannot be mad at it.
Tbh the third book was bomb. She basically traveled through time trying to stop the devil from catching her, and she discovers a whole lot of different histories through it
I read fallen in the 9th grade for an english assignment. My teacher gave the class a list of pre-approved books and we could either pick one from it or choose an alternative book we would have to get approval for. I ended up picking fallen from the list simply because I liked the name and was too lazy to find another book and get permission. I remember reading it and writing my essay being really confused on why my teacher had this book on her list but I still got a good mark lol.
why's no one talking about how this girl is having visions, set a house on fire, is responsible for killing a boy and is locked up in a clinic - yet the writer introduces her as an "ordinary" girl 🤦🏻♀️
Fun Fact: The actor in this movie that plays Edward, I mean whatever the main love interests actual name is, was the first choice to play both Peeta in The Hunger Games and Four in the Divergent movies and turned both roles down, but for some reason he accepted the main love interest in this💀
"The amount of research" you mean he read bad reviews without ever reading the books or watching the movie and then thinking he got a right to shittalk about it??? He literally has no clue what he talks about.
Noel Honig lol the shade is real. This whole video is about him watching the movie and commentating on it so....yeah, he acc watched the movie, and has an opinion on it and so has the right to express those opinions. it’s okay if it’s one that may not align with your own. I mean at the end of the day it’s all subjective. Even so, he’s funny so he gets bonus points.
When Dylan says Luce and the captions call her Loose, I laugh every time. 'Loose goes to a party in the woods with a bunch of psychopaths' 'Our girl Loose is about to get some lip action 😂'
@@Myst3q you're not wrong lol, at like 13 I read the books (yeah I know) and I recall it was said that her name resembles Lucifer because they were in love and connected or something like that, and so both their names have the same origin (from the latin word "lucem")
Me, accidentally skipping over the first part of the title: "oh haha this is going to be stupid let's laugh" Me, after the realization: *anxiously looks at all four of the fallen books on my shelf next to all four of the twilight books* Let's just say that 14 year old me thouroughly enjoyed reading the books under the summer sun, and 17 year old me was exceptionally disappointed by the movie.
This movie was actually in cinemas in my country, and there was a discount one day so the tickets were about $2 so I went to see it. Around 15 people in the room, everyone laughing and groaning throughout the movie, and after the last scene a guy from the back goes "what. the fuck" and we all just look at each other like 'no one shall ever speak of this again.'
Dylan is now responsible for over a million people suddenly knowing about Fallen. If it gets a surge in illegal downloads it is 100% because of this video
It's already being shown on movies now or smtg. Perfect when you're doing two things at a time n wanna watch a movie playing in the background 🍿! Ntg to miss out on cuz ntg happens 😁😁
Rediscovered the books at my parents house a month or so ago and am genuinely enjoying rereading them though I am thoroughly aware 90% of that enjoyment is nostalgia.
God, that's totally their intention, isn't it? There's probably an entire paragraph in the book about how the water looks like wings as he 'glides through the water' or something.
I'm not gonna lie, by the time he introduced the academy aspect of the story, I quite literally thought "...I should watch this, it looks good :)" right before he said "compile those elements and what do you have...a bestseller". And now I just feel like I'm playing into the hands of the guilty-pleasure movie industry 😔
@@MamaJayde There was a skit done on Saturday Night Live in the 1970s. It involved land sharks coming to homes and eating people. It was funny just because it was so darn stupid. The bit was brought back in a few subsequent episodes. It has become something of a cultural touchstone for people in a certain age group. In regards to my post, the idea of the black clouds reminded me of the dark clouds squid leave in water - except these dark clouds were on land so they must have been left by land squid. Because I am in that certain age group I mentioned, it inevitably reminded me of the silly land shark SNL skit all of those years ago. So, I conflated the two. Feel free to think of it as some random neurons misfiring in my brain.
@@MinionofNobody yeah, I make weird, out of context reference jokes like that sometimes. I really want to tell people, but then I realize no one will know what I'm talking about
Dylan : “For reference, Fallen has more reviews than Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone and Fifty Shades of Grey...both of those combined” Me : whaaattt..there’s no way..really...🤔...Dylan wouldn’t lie to me right... Dylan : “Now, while what I just said is not true in the slightest-“ Me : IT WAS A MISDIRECT 😱
Between these tropes and all, I feel like Clockwork Angel did it RIGHT. Its set in Victorian England, through the point of view of middle-high society, which in itself is a rabbit hole of epic proportions, the character is not "bland and quirky" and its one of the biggest cryptics of the trilogy as in "what the fuck is she? She ain't human!" and the "love triangle".... actualy kinda work. Both guys are in love, but both don't want it because one have less than one year to live, the other is "cursed" that everyone who likes him dies horribly. And the trilogy also have some light yet well-written steampunk + Body HORROR elements that really sells the narrative to you.
hell yeah!!! what I love so much about those books is that albeit it being the "love triangle"trope (which j usually hate with all my heart), there is none of the toxic shit and hate and "alpha-male'ing" against each other - instead everyone just loves each other! all people of this love triangle just would die for each other no matter in which constellation - jem just purely loves will and vice versa even though they both love Tessa, and that way the story was just so much love and much less stupid drama. there is still drama ofc, but it is way less "stupid" drama that would just result by the characters being assholes to each other
I usually hate love triangles, but I really did like the one here. I think the fact that I liked all 3 characters here and thought they were all interesting. I also genuinely liked both halves of the couple and the relationship between Jem and Will. I feel like you don’t see that much and that probably why it actually worked.
GOD THANK YOU I read the first book and half of the second. I despise forced romance, especially love triangles (or more shoehorned-in love interests). I liked the time travel portion, but never got farther than that. I don't believe in love being an unstoppable force like "omg our souls just belong otgether" despite having no actual bond. Luce is definitely a Not Like Other Girls protag.
Oh yeah. In twilight, you find out in the book that the werewolves aren’t werewolves because they don’t change on the full moon, they change when they want. So they are actually shapeshifters. Weird right. They didn’t tell anyone that in the movie did they.
I mean, depending on the lore and region vampires can shapeshift into wolves... And werewolves can change of given enough time with the curse. It's a pretty wide variety of mythos
I had forgotten about this. And then in the 4th book it also mentions something about there being other type of shapeshifters (or at least strongly insinuating this) not just wolfs. Ah, now I’m feeling nostalgic ... and old lol
The nuttiest crap I've heard from that is that the werewolves in Twilight are actually a super specific actual real world tribe of Native Americans that actually do still exist, and then Stephenie Meyer took that and then turned around and was like "Oh yeah, also these people all feel eachother's pain and they imprint onto women, which forces them to be life-bonded to the point where the woman will PHYSICALLY CHANGE to meet the preferences of the man who imprinted onto her." And also this process can, and does, happen to an actual child. Without thinking it through, Stephenie Meyer directly implied a real tribe of actual living Natives that are just still a thing are all weirdo rapists who use magic to make women look the way they want so they can fuck them harder! What the fuck?!
It was such a pointless bit of information, I remember reading it and thinking '........ok?' Added nothing to story, went nowhere and pulled me out of the scene completely. I'm pretty sure she was just correcting herself but at this point in the story just roll with it
@@jiaanonuevo7699 thats what this movie is, we find out in a later book that she was an angel, Lucifer and his love Lucinda both fell to earth but she fell in love with another angel and its this whole thing
Honestly from what I remember, the books were actually really good. I'm pretty sure 50% of the girls from my school has at one point read at least one book. A few of my friends and I were so invested in it that sometimes we actually used to meet at lunchtime just to discuss it. Now mind you I was 14, 15, and 16 at the time, but even the older girls like 19, and 20 were invested in it also. I even borrowed a book form one of the older girls because I didn't have it. So when I saw they were making a movie I was really hyped but trust me when I say i was so disappointed I cried, I literally cried. The books and the movie are like trying to turn cotton candy into cheese. The books honestly aren't bad and they should not make a second movie.
I literally said "dwight?" 😂 I paused the video and thought for several minutes about what episode the quote he was saying came from, only to realize that it was not a quote at all but just him......💀
@@kayla_mallen i think we're thinking of the scene where Jim tells Dwight that he's his own strongest competitor and has dwight fight himself for a demonstration lmfao
@@ambored24 For reallll i watched that episode a few days ago! Lol so good. It's also strangely reminiscent to me of the scene where he talks about breaking into tiffany's at midnight 💀💀💀
Abby_car so then don’t but also don’t make stupid ass storylines. the movie was a POOR representation of the book. the book was very good when i was younger.
I graduated from a creative writing course in 2010 and all the teachers were saying that angels were going to be the next big YA thing. I think they just really wanted something nice and wholesome to take over from vampires. That must be why this book was pushed so much.
My year 8 English class was the last class to do Dracula in Gothic Horror. The years after us suffered through Twilight. When we found out we dodged that bomb, we all were so relieved. In fact, our teach was awesome enough to do Star Wars clips for our thematic
When that was at some point of history under the category of ,,wholesome“, I honestly going to choose ,,toxic“😂😂 Then I know from the start what I choose
*Dylan: "the book has 475,145 ratings on Goodreads, that's more than Harry Potter and the Sorcerers Stone + Fifty Shades of Grey COMBINED"* *also Dylan: "now what I said is not true in the slightest BUT-"* i love this mans humor
I watched this movie. Twice. Because I had completely forgotten I had watched it the first time. Even now, as I watch this, I've been questioning whether or not I actually watched it. Because I remember nothing 😆
@@DreamSorbet that's exactly what I felt! I could probably watch it again and immediately after I would still be questioning myself about whether or not I actually watched it 😂
As someone who read the first 3 books, but never got around to the 4th one, I was *shook* by this 'spoiler'. Luce was wildin. I knew there was some kind of twist / secret / conflict but SATAN? Girl...
Yeah I had to read 4 books to know that back in the day, and in the movie they tell you the whole story in the first 10 min😂😂. I was already asking myself why I read it, didn't need this too.
Fun fact you can get that title by buying enough books yourself, and you usually get a return on the investment because having that status makes more people buy the book
Because the books that are on the New York times best seller list are almost always trash. People are stupid and will buy a book without even reading the description, just because someone like oprah or the NY times tells them to.
Would love to watch Dylan discuss The Mortal Instruments with Clary falling in love with a guy who ends up being her brother, then attracts a new guy... who is really her brother and the first guy never was... oh and there's angels duh
@@jasmineyates5705 my mum got me into it and I have been in love ever since - even got the fearless rune tattooed on my 18th birthday because apparently was the coolest thing ever in my mind at the time
Yo that book series was amazing- Alec and Magnus were a great couple and Isabelle and Simon were so funny. Not to mention the lore and descriptions were interesting. My username was inspired by Magnus Bane!!
I was actually drawn to this series in middle school because I was a hardcore twilight fangirl back then. And i was like, ‘oh my it’s angels instead, that’s so much harder.’ I’m not proud of it
Dylan: "No one has read this books". Me, owning the whole series, keeping it right by the Twilight saga as some sort of twisted joke: "Pfffh... Yeah, right? Who would own that garbage?"
Read all the Fallen Books on the recommendation of a girl I liked. They were pretty decent for a trashy fantasy romance. Not good per say, but like a greasy burger they hit the spot now and again. As a disillusioned Catholic I found the concepts really interesting, it's not Dante, but there is some cool 'expanded lore' for angels and The Fall in there if you wanna call it that. And the greater theme of the books, the Love for Each-other vs. Loyalty only to God, was pretty compelling to me at the time. Not bad as far as Teenage romance books go if I'm being honest.
Beastly as a novel was good, I actually really enjoyed it. But the movie... yikes. Such great actors and so much potential but it was super disappointing.
What about Vampire Knight? It’s the typical love triangle with vampires except the MC is even more useless and undecided than Bella and one of the guys is technically her ancestor/brother (through some weird reincarnation shit).
Nadia Binitie It’s a Manga/Anime, it’s the Twilight of anime. It’s not that widely known in the anime community though I don’t think. I haven’t read or watched it so I can’t speak from personal experience, but from reading summaries it seems really weird. Who knows it could be good, but from what I’ve read it seems like the main character is pretty annoying. I’m definitely not interested enough in this kind of story enough to read or watch the whole thing though.
@@SuggestiveHappyFace The book is good but the movie's a little cringe. The author actually has another series in the same universe and that one is super good.
Deq'Ah Bieha well they are also kinda twilight-ish. usually a girl attracts downworlders and nephilim and needs to choose between love interests...😂 so it’s fair they show up 😅
Gotta love the trope; Girl is born and grows into hot quirky teen. Girl meets boy. Girl falls in love with boy. Girl remembers eternal love with boy and countless previous lives shared. Girl dies young and dramatically and forgets everything. Lather, rinse, repeat.
actually fun fact someone on wattpad illegally copied the entirety of the first book onto the site and that’s where i read fallen for the first time, so there’s a real chance you might have read it
Yeah, it sounds like she's a genderbent Lucifer after he said she's responsible for the rift and war in heaven and the creation of hell. Lucifer was said to be responsible for these things and in some legends, Lucifer and Satan are not the same being.
Gawd I was totally like that as a teen...but there was a lot to unpack about it. One, I was depressed and had never killed anyone or attempted to kill anyone or myself. Two, I was not told what those pills did or how they effected me before I was given them and I didnt understand the effects on me were basically just uppers and downers. (Though I'm still super suspect on what those kind of medications do to the mind, especially those that are still developing, I didnt want to be a Guinea pig when we all dont really understand the brain that well yet), I didnt like that my autonomy was taken away. And just in general I didnt know how ig was changing me or affecting me. I think I was 14 or 15 when I started taking them, I had no awareness of self, and that self and home life/NHS was constant change and turmoil when I needed stability. So not having a...normal self to compare to, or even knowing I was supposed to be aware of how the pills affected me.. well yea, you start to wonder if and how its changing you as a person, and even if it's in a positive direction, if that's what you want.
That is a TERRIBLE mindset to have! Even if you ignore the supernatural stuff, that's dangerous of a mindset saying that "your mental illnesses make you, you." NO! A person is not defined by her mental illness! Ignoring your medication is going cause further pain than just taking it! This offhanded remark is gross, dangerous and needs to die. A good writer would follow up her statement by having someone tell her "It's to HELP you function better in life, not take away your personality!"
I always come back to this video (and the Beer and a Movie playlist) whenever I’m in a bad mood and it fixes it every single time. So I just want to say, thank you, Dylan for being an awesome, funny person who provides endless entertainment! Love your new videos, too but this has been a masterpiece since it came out 🤌👌
