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In an attempt to find divisions outside of my comfort zone, I decide to venture into the barren landscape of the commonwealth divisions. Maybe I have found a gem in 8th Indian...
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@Caudata_
@Caudata_ Год назад
Buff the Bren gun to be the same as the ZB30, which it was developed from (which would also make it same as BAR). Small buff that could bring up Commonwealth equipped divisions without making them overpowering?
@OneAndOnlyKJx
@OneAndOnlyKJx Год назад
That's a great idea
@atkpwrgaming
@atkpwrgaming Год назад
Yeah I’m a fan of this buff as well
@CK-530
@CK-530 Год назад
Having played a lot of CMW decks, I think they all share similar issues: 1. Lack of versatile long range HE projection. Scots has the Churchill but it's giga-slow, 3Can has the priest but it does very little damage, 2NZ has the sherman which is just ok, and 8th Indian has nothing. Yes, all decks can use things like arty to compensate, but a Flak88 + IG is a more painful combo to deal with than usual 2. The 17pdr is just too expensive to only shoot AP. Compare with Resita 3. The divisions generally feel slow. Scots especially. Kinda like the Hungarians 4. The Bren sucks. Really bad. You are slow to pin even disheartened inf. 5. Fireflies are good, but not a silver bullet 8th Indian kinda skirts the speed issue, and its infantry is juuuust cheap enough to get by. The 80pt guns are good enough to help mitigate issue 1. So they avoid a lot of the pitfalls. But having less weaknesses =/= strength
@atkpwrgaming
@atkpwrgaming Год назад
Great round up, fully agree with all of this. The slow transports are so painful and having no way to reach out with He is frustrating to say the least. Small buff to the Bren would be nice
@tedarcher9120
@tedarcher9120 Год назад
There should be an offmap alarm except for emergency one. Like 1-2 shells exploding nearby for adjusting the aim before the main offmap hits. Its more realistic and better for gameplay, but Eugene don't want to implement it for some reason
@atkpwrgaming
@atkpwrgaming Год назад
Yes I love this idea
@tedarcher9120
@tedarcher9120 Год назад
I think this division is best in V for Victory, you can really cheese it with flamers and snipers in A, 75mm trucks are amazing too, and in C you bring out the big guns with triple 1 star inf cards
@atkpwrgaming
@atkpwrgaming Год назад
Definitely a good suggestion, I don’t play V for victory but it could definitely work here
@macelharen
@macelharen Год назад
20:00 - here be dragons. i mean offmap! 29:40 - it clearly states "out of range" (although you didn't hover long enough for me to spot how many meters you were off by) 30:00 - the opposing AA was on a reverse slope and ground attack tends to fly low so it would only be shot at once it passed a certain point.
@atkpwrgaming
@atkpwrgaming Год назад
Interesting thank you!
@macelharen
@macelharen Год назад
i would REALLY like a replay file because Allan in the Sherman was a freaking hero.
@atkpwrgaming
@atkpwrgaming Год назад
I was actually able to use them effectively for once haha
@diggman88
@diggman88 Год назад
Yeah, I think it's unfair that the Piat only has 50% chance to hit while the panzerfaust (another low velocity weapon) has an 80% chance to hit. The Bren gun is another issue. I think it's unrealistic that the Bren has a lower rate of fire than both the BAR and the Breda 30. I say we use history, the Bren was regarded as an accurate weapon so double the bren base accuracy.
@Caudata_
@Caudata_ Год назад
doubling bren accuracy would make it match mg42 in terms of dpm, but then it's also be available in CQC, so no that would make Commonwealth insanely strong.
@Caudata_
@Caudata_ Год назад
plus if you change bren accuracy then you'd have to explain why ZB30 and MG26 don't get it also, as they are essentially the same weapon.
@diggman88
@diggman88 Год назад
@@Caudata_ okay, so 5% is too much. I still want opinions though. What would be the most straightforward solution to buffing riflemen?
@Caudata_
@Caudata_ Год назад
@@diggman88 just make the RoF match the zb-30 (which is the same weapon as the Bren, just slightly different caliber) and the BAR. Would be ~20% increase in DPM over existing BREN. You could also bump the Sten to 45% base accuracy so that it'd be as mediocre as the Grease gun and MP40. And if you wanted to give the PIAT a little love, then wouldn't hurt but I don't know if you'd want to do all three things at once. Giving the Bren a little more power would be the most impactful because it would be relevant from 0-750m range. The Lee-Enfield is already superior to most other bolt actions, the Lee-Enfield sniper has higher DPM than even the semi-auto G43/SVT due to higher base accuracy plus highest RoF of bolt action snipers.
@atkpwrgaming
@atkpwrgaming Год назад
An increase in accuracy to match the zb would make sense for sure. I am not sure what the basis for the piat is. Maybe its just because so many normal unit have it?
@diestormlie
@diestormlie Год назад
3:03 Tired: 2" Mortars Wired: **15"** Mortars.
@atkpwrgaming
@atkpwrgaming Год назад
Hahaha love it
@GrumpyReaper2525
@GrumpyReaper2525 Год назад
13:18 In real life, those kind of depression issues are even worse.
@atkpwrgaming
@atkpwrgaming Год назад
Yes very true haha
@RTrades
@RTrades Год назад
This was a fun game to watch
@atkpwrgaming
@atkpwrgaming Год назад
Glad to hear it!
@litsuwu7988
@litsuwu7988 Год назад
maybe commonwealth could be balanced by increasing the bolt action fire rate and pretend every conscript does the mad minute
@tiagodagostini
@tiagodagostini Год назад
no, add a tea consumable triggered by a special shortcut, only 1 use per troop but reduce current suppression by 50%
@diggman88
@diggman88 Год назад
The bren was considered a very accurate weapon. I say increase the base accuracy to make them unique.
@atkpwrgaming
@atkpwrgaming Год назад
I like the increase to the bren accuracy a little more actually, helps a lot of random units a lot
@Justheory11b
@Justheory11b Год назад
2nd New Zealand has some nice goodies. Solid infantry, 17 pounders galore, decent spammable artillery.
@atkpwrgaming
@atkpwrgaming Год назад
Yeah, its not a bad one to be sure!
@champlynyang5809
@champlynyang5809 Год назад
Also another thing about the British cons have more then there infantry are below average there at launcher sucks always miss the piat I would say British are more heavy panzer fighting more then infantry fighting
@atkpwrgaming
@atkpwrgaming Год назад
Oh the piat is such a sad piece of machinery
@blacko3539
@blacko3539 Год назад
Just in general commonwealth seem to be slightly over priced. I'd like to see the none mortar UC carriers dropped in price by 5, people might actually use them then to support the inf. The Herbert funnies could use a price drop also.
@atkpwrgaming
@atkpwrgaming Год назад
Those could definitely be some nice changes!
@petrsukenik9266
@petrsukenik9266 Год назад
Maybe CIABG will be new good "commonwelthů division i allso quite enjoy 6th SA, they have decent armor and a lot of .50 cal equiped vehicles
@atkpwrgaming
@atkpwrgaming Год назад
We will find out! Although I definitely don’t think it will be my style
@CosmicLegion
@CosmicLegion Год назад
GG. I think you are sleeping on cursaders though, both good inf support and good aa for the cost.
@atkpwrgaming
@atkpwrgaming Год назад
They are solid, I have a hard time taking them over 40mm though
@tonythesopranos5310
@tonythesopranos5310 Год назад
What about 6A South Africa? I thought they were quite good with fireflies and such.
@jensole8939
@jensole8939 Год назад
not in 1v1.
@atkpwrgaming
@atkpwrgaming Год назад
They are bad in 1v1. Infantry are terrible and too limited
@duke7052
@duke7052 Год назад
The south Africans are pretty damn good
@atkpwrgaming
@atkpwrgaming Год назад
They are not in 1v1. The infantry are horrendous and they don’t have the necessary supporting stuff. They are a team game div
@petrsukenik9266
@petrsukenik9266 Год назад
@@atkpwrgaming well, infantry is not that terrible for CQC, and for anything outside a forest you have bunch of .50 cals to support them, also arty is not bad
@eigenman30
@eigenman30 Год назад
Poor Robot.
@atkpwrgaming
@atkpwrgaming Год назад
Yeah this did not go well for him
@-MelancholicRobot-
@-MelancholicRobot- Год назад
(Sad beep)
@kismaaja226
@kismaaja226 Год назад
Qf 17 pounder not bad
@jensole8939
@jensole8939 Год назад
eats panthers and tigers.
@atkpwrgaming
@atkpwrgaming Год назад
It is very solid!
@RTrades
@RTrades Год назад
first yay
@atkpwrgaming
@atkpwrgaming Год назад
Yay!
@donovangray7518
@donovangray7518 Год назад
you forgot about the south africans
@atkpwrgaming
@atkpwrgaming Год назад
They aren’t good so I forgot about them haha
@korneltoth8143
@korneltoth8143 Год назад
How is the Indian rifles a good but the Kerékpárosok a bad infantry unit? (you repeatedly say you don't get it why people bring them) When you compare the two, Kerékpárosok has one more man, one more SMG with better accuracy, basically the same rifle stats (rate of fire is marginally lower) and an LMG with a lot higher fire-rate. Yes, they lose the raider trait, but that's the only real negative. And all this for the same point cost. Not saying Indian rifles are not good, but it's a good example why you shouldn't count Kerékpárosok as "garbage infantry".
@donnym3415
@donnym3415 Год назад
A fair assessment
@maciejsztrauch7974
@maciejsztrauch7974 Год назад
Indian rifles have raider trait. And in hungarian divs you always have better unit. While 8 Indian if use all ghurkas doesn,t have good inf
@atkpwrgaming
@atkpwrgaming Год назад
They are garbage in their respective division. In another division yes, they are fine and viable. But when you have the infantry available to you that the Hungarian have, taking a meh 20 pt unit is a waste of a slot in my opinion. You are correct though that they are similar. Indian rifles aren't that great, but in respect to this division, they are more solid than your other options
@korneltoth8143
@korneltoth8143 Год назад
@@atkpwrgaming i totally get that. Though I think they are still better than Lövész, which is the same except one man less but with a panzerfaust. With all the Bazooka units 2nd Páncélos has I feel like the extra man brings more to the table than the AT capability. Your reasoning stands against Mot. Lövész and Mot. Lövész (44M) though.
@vseznamus8862
@vseznamus8862 Год назад
Dude plays a game for 5k hours straight and is fighting an american bazooka division sends a Sherman with no inf support or recon to roll around in forest, what could go wrong?
@atkpwrgaming
@atkpwrgaming Год назад
hey hey hey... I don't actually think a Sherman died to a bazooka hahaha
@tedarcher9120
@tedarcher9120 Год назад
They should give enfield semi-auto fire rate, that would make it balanced
@profeten4510
@profeten4510 Год назад
They are Bolt rifles, it would make no sense
@tedarcher9120
@tedarcher9120 Год назад
@@profeten4510 yes, but I've fired one and it is almost as fast as a semi auto, also double mag capacity compared to other bolt action rifles
@profeten4510
@profeten4510 Год назад
@@tedarcher9120 double mag capacity could mean higher fire rate but still not as high as semi auto. I think that would be a nice middle ground buffing commonwealth
@tedarcher9120
@tedarcher9120 Год назад
@@profeten4510 almost as fast, yeah. You can empty a mag in about 6 seconds with aimed shots, g43 around 5 seconds. G43 would not be much faster irl as you still reload with stripper clips, and emptying a mag is very quick on both
@profeten4510
@profeten4510 Год назад
@@tedarcher9120 if you dont mind what makes the Bolt action of the enfield faster than other bolts like the springfield or kar?
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