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Fuel Pump Delete (Pump Less) 1700 Yamaha Silverado - ep 74 

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In this episode we eliminate our fuel pump for two reasons, reason 1 because my previous pump failed, and reason 2 to eliminate having another fail , I have also had a lot of requests to do a video on this for the exact thing that happen to me (pump failing on a trip far away from home). This video entails, removing the old fuel pump, enlarging the vent in the gas tank, removal and re-installed the carb, also well having the carb off we changed the needle and seat from 2.0mm to a 3.0mm, and replaced the plastic enriching cover since we had the carb off and where right there. At the end of the video I did a conclusion and talked about a few issues I had. Thanks for watching and if you have not subscribed yet please subscribe its a huge help, have a great day, thanks for watching.

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@kaseychambers1775
@kaseychambers1775 6 месяцев назад
Roadstar forums were my go to for fixes and changes. You're basically the video version of them which is way easier for me since i can watch what your talking about. My hero.
@ClargoGarage
@ClargoGarage 6 месяцев назад
Thanks ! I have quite a few videos of this bike , I have a play list with around 40 videos of this bike and more to come. Glad the videos are so helpful, do my best to keep them easy to follow and to show everything. Thanks for watching 👍
@kaseychambers1775
@kaseychambers1775 6 месяцев назад
@@ClargoGarage i saw the fuel pump bypass for the side of the road fix. That helped me a bunch because my pump decided to start sprinkling fuel like holy water. I was planning on getting rid of it anyway but i figured i would run it dead before i worried about it. Mission accomplished. The other thing i have issue with is the ignition system, after some probing i think I've narrowed it down to the relay unit under the right side cover. I've ordered a new one but have thought about wiring in a secondary ignition to hide somewhere for emergencies (auto store two position switch and a momentary button switch like i had on my shadow) any advice you have for that would be welcomed. Might be a good idea for another side of the road repair video too.
@ClargoGarage
@ClargoGarage 6 месяцев назад
Great description lol , haven't seen one of these pumps fail like that yet, normally just stop working with no warning. I haven't really had any issues with the ignition system other than having a wire brake right at the connector at the CDI box, lost spark on one cylinder and limped home about 7km. Is the bike not wanting to roll over sometimes/not at all or seams like it's pulling tuns of current sometimes and is laboring to roll over ? I had that issue and thought my starter was failing or relay and ended up finding the decompression solenoid was on its way out (episode 48) I try/start the bike in that video so you can see it act up and here it then I force the decompressioner open and can here the difference, easy to get to 2 bolts of I remember correctly, even if it's not your problem it's a good one to keep in the memory bank for a rainy day. And the biggest advice for adding a backup system would be to keep it as simple as possible, don't get into the factory wiring more than you need to and heat shrink and solder when you do versus buttsplices ( they always give trouble eventually), and if you can mount it somewhere solid but obvious if a future owner has an issue they can hopefully figer it out , probably room behind left side cover I would think eh . And make sure it's fused whether it's by factory fusing or an inline fuse from the battery. And your absolutely right , that would be a good video, just what to do to get it going to get home would definitely help someone out , will probably see that before spring 👍
@kaseychambers1775
@kaseychambers1775 6 месяцев назад
@@ClargoGarage everything functions normally with key on, but no crank. No starter relay click either. Tested all wires and connections in the ignitions system and found functions to be normal. Jumped starter relay terminals and it cranks over like normal. Replaced starter relay already because i had a spare and I'm just waiting on the relay unit in the mail to swap out. I didn't notice any difference when cranking, doesn't seem to struggle at all or sound sluggish. It was a salvage bike that's been rebuilt before, got it super cheap barely running. Cleaned some stuff swapped some parts and rode like a brand new bike. Only problems I've had are the ignition issue and the pump so far. A lot of the parts mine needs aren't Available OEM parts anymore so I've been using the manual and random parts to try and come up with alternative solutions or repairing the old parts to make them work. Its a fun bike to work on except for the electrical system part since it runs back and forth a few places. And one bad relay can knock out the whole bike even though everything else will still work.
@ClargoGarage
@ClargoGarage 6 месяцев назад
Sounds like you should be pretty good once that part comes in. That's decent eh , what kind of miles does it have ? It really is an easy bike to work on for the most part , not over engineered, and everything isn't too bad to access , electrical on it, isn't overly complicated if you have the schematic, electrical in general on any system seems to be 5 hours to trouble shoot and 5 min to fix, where mechanical seems to be 5 min to trouble shoot and 5 hours to fix lol , I'm electrical by trade , majority of my job is troubleshooting electrical and some mechanical, one of the guys I work with always says the 5 min 5 hour thing but it seems to hold true most of the time . What parts are you trying to find OEM that aren't available anymore? For the most part I've had good luck getting what I need , but good to know what's getting hard to come by so I can keep my eyes open for that stuff lol
@sailorgerard
@sailorgerard 5 месяцев назад
Very wonderful vid. Everything I wanted to know you explained very well. I have a 2005 Roadstar Silverado, and the bike had been sitting for 15 years. Someone has stolen/swapped the fuel pump, for the bike only has 39000 km. Upon taking the plastic back cover off, i discovered that the point were just shot: there was almost nothing left, with the result that the bike would not start. I bought an aftermarket fuel pump for $89.00 from Amazon, and found out that although it was supposed to fit my model, the electrical connector would not fit. I had to change that by cutting the old pump's connector off and soldering it to the new pump. Also this new pump has a vacuum outlet on the plastic housing - I am not sure for what - all there is are the points. I plugged that off. It works alright, but I am not trusting it, so I bought one from Hotshot Motorsports, here in BC. Pricy at $345.00 roughly. But now After watching your vid, I might go pumpless. I have the stock carburetor, untouched. The choke though: I pull it out, but it seems to pull itself back-in about halfway. I have to wedge a piece of wood in to keep the bike running when cold. Any idea why that is? The bike was parked indoors for the storage duration, so rain and such could not have gotten into the cable. I noticed the idle knob seems to have the same problem: the housing twists along with the inside cable, making it hard to adjust the idle. Should I lubricate these 2 items to make them work? I have installed the K&N air filter as well, but I never got any length of hose with the filter. The K&N filter had a red plug where you installed the grommet. That is how it is now. Should I copy you and install a hose? I need to change both front and rear wheel bearings: do you have any vid on that? Thank you, and keep up the good work. By the way, I looked for 2 months on RU-vid for a vid to run no fuel pump, but I never found yours until today 2024Jan30
@ClargoGarage
@ClargoGarage 5 месяцев назад
Thank-you ! And thanks for watching. Sorry for the delayed response, was on a cruise with the wife just got back home to Northern Ontario Sunday then back to work Monday, Finly have a chance to catch up. I might be in BC for a day or two this summer on the bike, haven't been out there yet. If I miss any of your questions just re-ask them or if you have any others , ill try not to miss any. 390000km is low for these bikes I'm up around 185000km so that bike has lots of life in it , but the fuel pump might of failed and that could be why it was missing , my original pump quit around 45000km and same with the following 2 OEM ones I put on the bike, seems to be a definite flaw in the design. I definitely would not trust the aftermarket fuel pump, I helped another person on here a few months ago that had issues, used my videos to help trouble shoot and put the aftermarket pump on for similar price and was having intermittent issues ( bike would randomly want to die or not run at all) , we went back and forth on here checking some other stuff out and ended back at the pump, they bought a OEM one, put it on and bike was 100% again. Going pump less, your carbonator should be fine , if you have any issues float level or needle could be the cause but after I put the larger needle and seat in mine I didn't notice any difference , biggest thing is keeping the fuel line up , after this summer I'll have a good comparison for fuel consumption with and without the pump , dident get enough riding in after removing it to have enough data to have a comparison. I've been meaning to make a video on the choke , I should get on that , so I had the same issues for a few years, never looked into it just assumed it was getting wore out ( I used a cloth pin to hold mine open haha) a buddy of mine ended up showing me you can tighten it , I'll try to make a video this month but I'll try to describe it, so where you pull the choke out , the part that stays on the bike there's that plastic ring that looks like it would just be a grommet or for looks turn that clockwise with your fingers and that will fix your choke issues. Your idle adjustment knob I would lubricant that cable with a penetrating oil like WD40 or something similar, keep spraying it for few days or week or two then try to start working it back and forth see if it will free up for you and keep spraying it ( that cable is all external to the carb). If you do need to take the carb off for any reason I do have a video on that and it's not to bad of a job , episode 73 I believe . For the K&N filter hose , thinking off the top of my head , I'm pretty sure that hose comes from the top of the cylinder heads (valve cover ) and is a vent line, going into the filter I believe dose a few things #1 it keeps dirt from working it's way in the vent line and eventually into the top end of the engine #2 when the bike is warming up would help to bring warmer air into the engine (like the heat riser off the manifold on alot of the cars from the 80s) #3 might be an emission thing , not sure on that forsure tho , I had thought about not venting that into the filter on mine but was worryed about dirt eventually getting into the top end through that vent line . I do not have a video on wheel bearings yet, I'm planning on ordering some new ones this winter and maybe doing them in the spring or next winter when I do them there will definitely be a video to follow, all of my wheel bearings are original and whenever I'm on a long trip it's in the back of my head kinda planing on doing them at 200000km but Ill be over that by the end of this coming season . Again thanks for watching and sorry about the delayed response.
@ClargoGarage
@ClargoGarage 5 месяцев назад
Just posted a video on adjusting the choke on our bikes, did it on the wife Honda but it's identical on our Yamaha's , video is uploading now should be able to watch it within the hour 👍
@jrbkut
@jrbkut Месяц назад
Thank you for the video. Can I make a suggestion that add Road Star to the title since Silverado is a trim level while Road Star is the actual model you are working on. Yamaha offered a few of their bikes with the Silverado trim level. It looks like none of your videos say Road Star. Adding that to your titles will make it easier for Road Star owners to find your great videos. I only stumbled upon your video because another Road Star owner posted a link. Thank you again.
@ClargoGarage
@ClargoGarage Месяц назад
Thanks for watching! And thanks for the suggestion, I appreciate it, and will definitely go back and add that in on the videos when I have a chance, thank-you! And thanks to whoever posted the link. Thanks for watching and thanks for the great suggestion ! Will definitely add that in.
@patrickhanley9304
@patrickhanley9304 3 месяца назад
Man your video is excellent and very informative thank you!!
@ClargoGarage
@ClargoGarage 3 месяца назад
Thanks!! And thanks for watching!!! Safe travels 👍
@kennethdelgado1213
@kennethdelgado1213 7 месяцев назад
Very good video more please!
@ClargoGarage
@ClargoGarage 7 месяцев назад
Thanks! I have more videos planned for this bike, and I have a playlist of this bike currently with 36 videos and more to come. Thanks for watching and safe travels 👍
@blacksprucecountry1315
@blacksprucecountry1315 7 месяцев назад
Great video, new subscriber here and have a question about my 05 road star 1700, seams to be flooding when opening the throttle and cuts out immediately when putting it in gear, I’m guessing fuel pump as it’s probably not getting enough gas when going from neutral to first. Any suggestions? Thanks Jim
@ClargoGarage
@ClargoGarage 7 месяцев назад
Thanks and thanks for watching! And two separate issues ? If it is flooding keep an eye on your engine oil , if gas is running into your motor we'll it is parked it can damage your engine. But I would try turning your idle up a bit , if the ideal is to low at idle when you twist the throttle sometimes it will "cough" , turn the idle up just a bit and normally fixes that if that is the issue. If that doesn't work (check the oil fist to make sure no gas in it) next step I would do is pull your air box off and check your air filter make sure that it's not overly dirty , if dirty replace it ( when really dirty it throws off the air fuel mixture) . With air box off fire up the bike and once up to temp ( choke off) work the throttle and can see if the accelerator pump is working and out of the jets should see a descent flow of fuel and the slide should start to open up. Left side of the carb is a plastic cover ( enriching cover) its in play at idle and coasting, if it is cracked it can give issues. If still not good check the float level and might be worth taking the carb off and take the bowl off and make sure the needle and seat don't have any dirt holding it open or anything in the jets . As far as going from neutral to 1st and stalling, my bike has done that once in a blue moon when it has sat for a longer period of time. In my case it seems like the clutch plates dry a bit and stick , I find before putting it into gear work the clutch a few times and that seems to work , could also be clutch cable needing some adjustment or starting to brake. As far as the fuel pump failing they normally completely stop working , will topically run the bike fine till they fail ( I've normally noticed after they fail and putting a new one in I use more gas and maybe slightly better acceleration, but the failing pump before it fully fails no issues expeshaly at idle ) in my case fuel pumps seam to last around 30000mile ish. Hope this helps abit , sorry for the novel , thanks for watching and subscribing . If you have more questions ask away and let me know what you find I'm always curious to know what the issue ends up being. Ep 57 for the clutch cable Ep 75 if you halfto get into the bowl Ep74 will have checking the float level, I think I run the bike with the air box off to in that video , I think you can see stuff working as far as fuel, slide , and accelerator pump. Ep 4 for removing the air filter Ep47 accelerator pump Ep 73 for removing the carb I have a whole playlist on this bike I think 30 some videos now might be something there that might help that I didn't think to list
@blacksprucecountry1315
@blacksprucecountry1315 6 месяцев назад
Thanks Jordan for the in-depth super helpful response, I did however fix the issue. Changed the spark plugs and noticed one was fowled and drained the gas and replaced it with new supreme gas. The bike is running smoothly now. I enjoyed watching the videos of my home province of Nl
@ClargoGarage
@ClargoGarage 6 месяцев назад
@blacksprucecountry1315 thanks for letting me know what you found , I get curious what ends up being the issue , I enjoy the follow up 👍. You live in a beautiful place , I'm in northern Ontario, I'll probably be back out your way in a few years , have one last spot I want to check off out that way . Planning on riding west this year , not 100% sure if I'll stay in Canada the hole time or drop into the states for the way back . If your in my neck of the woods and I'm free I'm always up for a ride if it works out . Thanks for watching and safe travels 👍
@blacksprucecountry1315
@blacksprucecountry1315 6 месяцев назад
Hey Jordan, I actually live on the west coast just outside gross morn park, would love to tag along for a ride
@ClargoGarage
@ClargoGarage 5 месяцев назад
Hey sorry for the late reply things have been hectic here the last few weeks. And west coast Newfoundland right not BC? I googled where you are and that works out really well with a ride I want to do, when I went to Newfoundland last summer I dident have a chance to get up to st Anthony, I still need to ride the north side but I have a ride planned in my head that I'm hoping to do in 2-3 summers from now , would be leaving from Ontario to channel port aux Basques, then from there to Saint barbe NL , jump on the fairy to Blanc sablon Quebec, from there into Labrador Maybe Marys harbor or something, depending on fairy schedule possibly spend the night otherwise back to Newfoundland to St Anthony area , if I have time ride around wherever looks interesting/fun then back to the fairy and home to Ontario. Not sure if I explained it ok but I think it would be a good ride and I can get that section of Canada checked off the list lol . I have instagram that works good for chatting and planning a ride , and I'm planning on making a Facebook account in the next week or so when I have a chance . If you have any rides you want to do I'm pretty open to anywhere Canada and USA , I try to do one good long haul ride a season when I can. Sorry for the long message, hope all has been well on your end 👍
@marcflaro2011
@marcflaro2011 8 месяцев назад
Awesome video, but I don’t wanna blow my bike to ride her Bwahahahaha just kidding buddy.
@ClargoGarage
@ClargoGarage 8 месяцев назад
Thanks, hahaha I only had to do that a few times Luckily, getting that gas line up a bit higher seemed to do the trick. Sure people driving by did a double take lol
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