You have to be a top level athlete to even begin to phathom of how difficult c ranked excirses really are D and beyond will be forever out of your comprehension 😅
There are some Bs that are actually easier than A elements imo Uprise to L sit, Chechi, straight forwards roll, full twisting dismount are all easier than A coded handstand skills imo
After doing calisthenics for 2 years and recently pulling out some muscle ups, I genuinely believe that these guys are PHENOMENAL, HOLY JESUS FUCKING CHRIST THEY ARE UNBELIEVABLE u don't even realise how damn hard A moves are and how many years they take to master
That's why pro gymnasts start training before the age of 7 and reach their peak at around 20 years old. That's not something you can learn in just a few years.
Gymnasts tend to struggle more on inverted cross than Maltese, I am just a mere mortal that could only hold handstand for 13 seconds, but I think Maltese is harder than inverted cross mostly because Maltese uses almost all of your upper body. but inverted cross is the same too, but more weight is on the specific muscle, which means more loads on shoulder or chest compare to maltese. I think what really makes inverted cross hard is the heavy loads and stability aspect
I think it’s the instability component of the inverted cross being in handstand, because Japanese handstand on floor is way easier than Maltese on floor; if it was just because of loading then that wouldn’t be the case
You’re right about that. But an inverted cross is going to be easier if you have a solid handstand on rings. Plus I think our shoulders are stronger, able to naturally hold more weight than our chests. Even if most guys can bench more than they shoulder press. It’s two different kinds of stress. But I totally agree that Maltese is way harder than inverted cross
I can do the Victorian but with floor support and without the rings. In reality, at 73 now, just managing 30” support hold. These guys are totally awesome.
Man not hating but I'm amazed that Tulloch's victorians were ever counted. Just shows how insane victorian is when the best gymnasts in the world struggle to hold it cleanly at all.
Magnificent bodyweight movements. Ill be glad if I ever manage to do an iron cross although I dont train for it. The easier elements like front lever can be reached with bit of practice and mostly muscle strength from pull ups.
If you can do 12, start adding weight on a belt/chain. You will progress safely and much faster if you keep up the progressive overload. Otherwise, you will plateau and become someone who used to do calisthenics and rings. Stay healthy. That's the real secret. One injury will cost you six months to a year of progress.
Great compilation. A solid cross, upgraded with a few variations, and planche (straddled for now) are the main goals I strive for in regular workouts on my excellent FIG-certified backyard rings set. ... P.S., 1 armed chin up deserves to be FAR higher on this ranking, even some very high level gymnasts can't do it (which makes sense, it's not really a formal gymnastics skill so it's not like you train it for the sport)
I agree with you on Maltese press and LXS, those make no sense but they’re ranked that way in the code of points when this video was published. But 360 pull isn’t nearly as difficult as azarian because you’re basically just going through FL/BL, without the transition to iron cross which is the hardest part
I've done a one arm chin up even with weight added and I can basically do nothing else from tier A except for muscle up and L-sit. The once arm chin up is actually an easy exersise for gymnasts, most of them can do more than 7 in a row
Are those elements ranked by the code of points? I never realized a one arm chin up was an actual code skill. Dude, super cool video!! I loved it. That Azarian to Victorian ……, shoot only in my dreams
Most of these are, but some like you mentioned (MU, HSPU, OAC) are not, I just threw them in since they’re iconic and relatable 👍🏻 appreciate the kind words!
some of these will be just forever out of my comprehesion its insane just absolute insanity i will become a proffesional calishenic athlete and get the full planche though one day i will do that
Ain't no way I have the balance for a ring handstand but I can do front lever back lever and 360° turn. This really made me wonder if training for gymnastic skills is more different from hypertrophy calisthenics than I thought it was
What about this still-ring combo - an Iron cross to back salto straight-leg swing to a double tuck back salto and finishing with the Iron Cross. What grade rank would be that combo, and was it named for somebody?
hs pushup is relatively in the impossible moves of you dont roll your feet around the lines, meanwhile straddle pl is almost free skill when u unlock it on floor/pbars
Why is the Zenetti harder than the Van Gelder? BL to planche is bigger ROM than BL to maltese. Is momentary moving that much assistance? In my opinion is more like quick moving.
Great question! Zanetti is performed from a static BL hold, and like you said, does not use any momentum unlike the Van Gelder, which uses a “springlike” bouncing motion. If you watch some of Zanetti’s earlier performances, he will actually do a very small downward motion before initiating the press to make it slightly easier. Even though the Zanetti ROM is less than Van Gelder, the hardest part is just pressing up from BL in the first place, which is easier with the momentum from the bounce.
@@IGNACY-fp8zo Because the press to Planche and press to Maltese are essentially the same skill and difficulty. The press to maltese cross is easier, but holding maltese cross is harder. The press to Planche is harder, but holding the 2 sec planche, is easier. Pick your poison.
The whole new level of planche movements seems to only be possible with PEDs, otherwise we obviously would see "zannettis" (its interesting that countries with a lot more experience in gymnastics could not figure out that this "zanneti" movement was possible, its absurdly obvious. Maybe because it was not possible because required absurd strenght, therefore PEDS) before 1960s. Lets keep in mind gymnasts are not like most of the calisthenics dudes that dont train legs, and they have to endure a lot of more extenuating movements in addition to the strenght draining planches and front levers. The problem itself is not the movements, but they have to be realized with other movements in a routine. If you guys think its not PEDs making these movements possible, (i believe they had already tried in training but could not incorporate on the routines because it demands too much strenght), keep in mind that there is even a surge of doping in RHYTHMIC GYMNASTICS (egypt whole rhythmic gymnastics team got caught)! So imagine on the current trend of suspiciously unknown countries rising in gymnastics doing complex stuff that not even tradicional countries did years ago, think of what they are using to perform such things now, or abusing the anti doping weakness of their own countries. I mean if for such low intensity activity like rhythmic gymnastics they are takind PEDs, imagine an current all around athletes that even go to the finals on specific events on the next day.
Do you mean before? IMU is bent arm (like a really deep HSPU) which is difficult but still easier than the straight arm crosses in terms of absolute strength requirement. The hardest part is the initiation by biceps
as a judge, i cannot understand the victorian. the additional D score would be totally wiped out by either: 1 - false grip, 2 body not horizontal or 3 no neutral head. NOBODY has yet to compete a victorian without at least one - usually two - of these deductions.
