High End Executive Sit Stand Desk (round 2, FIGHT) 

please don't do lock in to a specific mount. There are way too many reasons someone may want a different mount. I have a large monitor that only one monitor arm (as of a year ago) supports and they developed a heavy hinge for that specific montior footprint. lock in to your model of monitor arm is going to kill this desk for a lot of WFH people

Yeah I'm with Doug on building for a mount that will be outdated is a negative.

A minor problem I would have with the bevel, and I could see others having it as well, would be mic arm c-clamps on the side of desks or other things that clamp on without much depth.

You still need a rear overhang for people to mount their choice of monitor arm on the back of the desk. Its pain in the ass enough without having to go underneath the desk into some hidden compartment just to tighten a bolt.

Having a magnetic rail on the side for all the table accessories that are currently offered, cup holder, charging pad etc.., would also be great. Kind of in the vein of Doug's drawer acessories, but using what youve already got. A penicil cup would be useful

Give Bennet a raise, he is doing his own work and Jason's too!

As a person who's on the fence about backing this: Please retain the magnetic rail for MGT accessories. That really could be the difference between me buying this and skipping it completely. Other thoughts: 1. Lots of cool accessory options, especially if magnetic, would make it super attractive to me. 2. Make sure there's a way to attach clamps, such as for microphone stands etc. 3. A shelf that goes at the back of the surface, but which *itself* has a magnetic rail so I can have my accessories floating over the back of the desk would be amazing. 4. Would love it if I could add a diagonal writing/writing surface to my desk as a magnetic/removable accessory. Almost like a diagonal player desk. Could look cool with a contrasting wood to the main desk.

I am curious if the edge bevel of the desktop will prevent microphone boom arm clamps from attaching to the desk. Some boom arms (like the Rode PSA1+) allow for drilled through desk mounts but I would hate to add it to a beautiful desk if the included cable-management hole isn't the correct size. I don't think a magnetic attachment insert would work too well for vibration sensitive mics so compatibility with standard edge c-clamps would be great (for me).

Love the RnD videos. For Jason’s muscle quandary - he pointed to a couple of the flexors or the hand. The muscle he pointed to when discussing the groove on the table was probably the palmar flexor. (m. flexor palmaris longus)

Modular all the way. I use a massive 32lb monitor that is curved, so it puts tons of strain on 99% of monitor arms. I ended up going with an ergotron with a heavy mount adapter. I believe it only had a rear mount clamp option. as well as mic arm clamps, elgato light clamps etc. I need my clamps clamping.

I'm definitely more interested in the MGT variant of the sit/stand desk. But what I really want is an L-shaped desk. With my company having provided gear, I've got 2 distinct PC setups for both work and personal use so L-shaped would be ideal.

With the back of the desk, don't forget to leave a bit of room for clamp style mounts which need space at the back. If you've got the drawer going all the way to the back, there's no way to clamp anything around the back, which is a major issue for a lot of monitor/microphone mounts.

Imagine if your cable management area could pop upwards for easily adding new things and then push back down and latch into place. As an IT guy that hates having to crawl under terrible sit stand desks at work that would be amazing

First, please don't pigeon hole the design around a given mount (really loved the idea from last time about a Wyrmwood monitor shelf) Second, modularity is cool, but I don't want a desk where the stinkin' _drawer_ are extra Third, it might be worth offering both desks (a modular desk with a more affordable base price and an executive desk with a tighter, unified design)

I'm on the don't lock in a monitor arm train. I use a cross-bar dual monitor mount on a gas spring, and spent a while finding the one I love. Just allow for a standard c-clamp style mount and pass-though mount as you have it. That would allow flexibility for those who want to bring their own, but still allow you to design around your preferred mount.

Hurts being an Australian customer. This Modular desk (which I think is the way to go) would probably set me back 3-4 x the table price in shipping costs.

Loving the designs, the wood wrap of the legs an an amazing touch but the modularity of the other is a clear winner

I didn't see a magnetic rail on these desks, which is the crux of all your table's modularity: headphone mounts, writing surfaces, cubbies, cupholders, controller docks, raised speaker stands, hobby racks/shelves etc. Put the rails on both sides of the cutout and along the sides of the desk, maybe at the back too. If y'all really wanted to jump-start your weed products, you could make accessories to prepare your weed, like trays that hold bowl pieces. And Doug's not wrong that drawer modularity is an underdeveloped space. That's almost the most exciting prospect you've talked about, at least potentially. I'd love to see what you could develop given your exposure to your audience's lifestyle/needs. One thing though is that real estate is more selectively important than generally. If you made an 8" platform I could store my desklamp on I'd be so down for that. Also, it'd be cool if the accessories you buy for this desk can be stored in or with the desk when not in use. It'd be a pain having to store things separately. Good job!

LOVE Jason's cable management "box"

The cable management of Jason’s table was definitely better. However from what I could tell my monitor mount wouldn’t fit on either of them, and I definitely couldn’t secure it either. Cuz the screw for it is on the bottom of it so there would be no way for me to access it. So I would have to cut a hole in either one’s cable management box

“We have a top and we have a bottom.” - Doug

1) The desks need integrated drawers. That's an expectation on any high-end desk in my opinion and the side drawers are also a great design. Don't squander it in the name of modularity when everyone would 'want' the drawers. 2) I personally would be fine with exposed-metal legs, but I think the sleeves are what sets the wyrmwood desk apart from anything else in the market. If only the top is slightly unique, I wouldn't expect to draw in nearly as many customers. Probably worth it to up the price for the 'wooden' legs.

modular drawers for the table, computer tower shelf, set of shelves, monitor riser instead of arms, built in wireless phone charger. Doug was on to something with the writing surface, could offer plain surface, a fold out tablet stand, one that acts as a cupholder/snack tray, etc. Awesome idea. Now if you can make it hold a few hundred pounds in amateur radio equipment, I'm sold.

If the drawer clicks on, it’d be dope to have the mechanism strong enough to stack 2-4 drawers. I utilize drawers and that’s be a real win for me. Love the direction.

Looking great! Massively agree with other commentors and not locking us into a specific monitor arm. Really like the idea of modularity in drawers and other accessories. One idea I could see would be some sort of cable grommet that stretches the length of the desk, perhaps just large enough for plugs to get past (eg. 2-3")? Between that and insetting the underside cable storage you'll maximize the overall compatibility. Definitely make the bevel, leg covers, etc. customizable/addons. I still would love to see inset Qi wireless charging and underside tower mounting!

You know, those pieces of wood seem very trust worthy and dont feel like they will bite my hand at all lol

I’m all for the top bevel, for both comfort and the aesthetic of looking more expensive per Doug’s reasoning in part one. I think modular is the way to go as well and not lock into a specific mount.

Something to make sure you test for is that the motors on sit-stand desks can get out of sync and one side can end up slightly higher than the other. This is pretty easy to fix by sending the desk to the lowest height it can go, but I could imagine it possibly causing warping or maybe even burst a joint on the leg sleeves.

Top bevel >>> bottom bevel!! I highly recommend using top bevels for both versions. Not only are they more comfortable to use for long periods of time, but they’ll give you more flexibility/space for the accessories/rails on the bottom.

Still needs the magnetic rail, after seeing Jason’s mock-up I’m ready to get rid of my L-shaped sit/stand desk for a dual monitor stand setup. Don’t forget an option to hang a tower computer below one side.

I absolutely love the legs Jason made on his desk. That really, really gave the desk an amazing look.

For the desktop plugs, I think they make push release latches (the same you would use for a push to open drawer) that would serve this purpose well. That way you have the nice flat surface and when you want to take the plug off you aren't looking for an extra thing to get it out; you just push down on it and remove the plug. And since it's at the back the chances of it getting activated accidentally are low (unless the desk it in the middle of the room, then it's low-ish).

I love watching these discussions. The evolution and progressions are very satisfying. Doug, Jason and crew are interesting folks.

Once I own my dream home with custom designed office, I’ll get the executive prophecy desk. Until then, I want the modular desk.

The telescoping leg should have the larger sleeve on the bottom. Would visually allow for more angles and decorative legs.

Modular sit stand desk all day. Add on some of your magnetic cup holders and/or a magnetic headphone holder, etc. etc. I’ve been waiting for this product to become a reality ever since I first heard of it on here a year or so ago. Love the progress so far. Keep up the good work guys!!

The editing on this video is DOPE! I loved the baby sounds from bennett and the nerd clip of johnny.

i would suggest keeping the back of the desk pretty thin(like max 5cm) and no bevel so when someone already has a monitor stand or wants a different one, they can use the c clamp tu attach it to the back.

“The tibia and the fibula” are in your leg.XD It’s the radius and the ulna are what’s in your arm. (Radius is on your thumb side of wrist, I always remember because when you do a thumbs up it’s “Rad”)

I’m so glad Big Tony got so much screen time in this episode.

Looks good, the desks are growing on me, very nice. This season is very nice, to see the process of so many products, the chairs, the dice towers, the deck box, ufff, so many stuff, love it.

The 'Prophecy' desk should have the same radius curve as the actual Prophecy across the entire front.

Love seeing Jason having some fun. He's been on the grind for a few years and its good to see him enjoying letting the creative juices flow.

Don't forget about heat in the under desk cord management area from transformers.

Doug is insane to demand ipad holders and writing space for a drawer. Desk is big enough as it is. Nothing wrong with a drawer.

Bennet's idea about not linking desk to a particular brand/style of mount is great. You should consider having a space on the back to put clamp on screen mount. As many people that would like to have a sit stand desk most likely already own mounts.

What every desks needs.... A pull out Drawer that has an extendable doohickey, that allows it to be used as a Desk. Because Desks can't be used as Desks, that is what Drawer attachments are for.

Swivel drawer... Either dual swivel opening to side or front (pivot point in the front corner), OR open out (pivot on side further back than corner). Pivot out could leave more leg room (if rounded back drawers), but dual pivot seems more versatile.

Not in the sit stand desk market, but modular is the way to go to start - gives a quality affordable desk right off the bat, which then can be pimped to within an inch of its life. Then once the market has been revealed a Prophecy version can be researched. Great video had laughing heartily :D

I’m a fan of modular, but I also want a corner desk design. Maybe make it modular into a Full L shape … or hey as long as we’re dreaming, the full 360 desk

So an idea for a drawer that on top of the desk is to implement a “lift top”, similar to those coffee tables that can convert into desks. This makes it so you won’t necessarily have to clear the desk at all and it removes the pull out drawer entirely. I think it would look a lot cleaner as well

I've been really enjoying seeing Jason working on stuff.

I liked Bennets cable management more. I think having it open from the front is a smart idea. I don't like the compartment opening from the bottom, because all the cables would just fall out on the ground if I don't have them taped inside the compartment. For the drawers, I liked the modularity of the drawers of bennet's but the style of Jason's drawers. Great work, I like to see more of this!

Jason and Bennett need to make a love child of both desks. Keep the Modularity of Bennett’s idea and figure out a way to turn the Modularity into the “Prophecy” version with the Add-on choices. Example you could keep the boring plain legs that Jason hates so much as a base line, then with a Bump of an Add-on can get the Leg sleeves, etc.

The encased legs are really sweet. For the cable management space, I'd add passthroughs on the sides for ppl who like to have the pc tower off the desk on a dresser next to the table or something like that.

I get the weirdest dopamine rush just listening to these guys talk about woodworking.

I personally love the look of Jason's executive style sit stand desk with the covered stand legs but think for the average consumer it will most likely start to creep outside of their price range. I think the biggest upside of the modular design is it allows a much broader entry point with the options to customize it to one's own budget and needs.

One thing that I think many people are speaking on in the comments - maybe as Wyrmwood/non-desk enthusiasts/work from home people you guys are coming from your perspective of purely woodworking. I think what would set you apart is to take the modularity you guys build into your products and solve the 'known' issues with what makes typical/generic sit-stand desks crap. You've hit the head on some issues like styling but that's a given considering Wyrmwood is high end wood products, now solve the technical problems and it'll sell no issues

Modularity: YES. Kind of. I think the drawers should come stock, and what you put in/on/around those drawers is where the modularity opens up. I really can’t dream up anything else that would go in that real estate, but maybe I’m wrong there.

Executive desk ALLLLLLL DAY. So nice. Can't wait to get one.

I think y'all might be limiting your focus to a "gaming" sit-stand desk. You have a whole market of artists/writers who would kill for a desk like this. Here's an idea on how to make the drawers modular: swappable dividers. Dividers for papers, dividers for pens, dividers for paint bottles, for sketch books, artist tools, anything. You could choose from a selection of different dividers to suit whatever needs your hobby/occupation requires. Another thing to make modular is the hidden desk area on the side; have a variety of options from white board, to pen holder, to game control holder. Last, could never go wrong with a set cup holders. One for drink, and one for paint water.

Power plugs and maybe some usb hubs built into the table so that we can plug our monitors/mics/camera/lighting into the desk compartment and you only have clean cables running to the plugin and computer. Having some of the modules built around what a streamer or conent create might want would be amazing. A modular peice dedicated for streamers to put their periferals such as streamdecks, beacn mix create, or goxlr would be so freaking amazing.

Wasn't there a guy they talked to not so long ago in a wyrmlife that integrated screens with furniture? seems like a good fit to work with for these desks

As someone who currently has a sit/stand desk with 4 monitors (all on one mount), 2 laptops, a docking station, 2 usb hubs, a mesh router, a few other items like wireless chargers, and the desk itself all needing to be plugged in, cable management for this type of desk is a nightmare. When I saw Bennett's cable box design I immediately wanted it for my desk. I work in IT so I've run a lot of cables for desk setup and his box allows for easy access to hold all sizes of cables, power bricks, and possibly a power strip which would solve the biggest PIA for this type of desk which is making sure the cables have enough slack in them to not pull when the desk moves. I like Jason's design, but having something dead center in the middle of the desk is just asking for bruised legs.

I love the modular desk. More appeal to a broader range of buyers. I hate drawers on my desks, especially pullout/swingout style because the metal usually fails easily. I just hope you talk about the min/max height. "Wheelchair" height desks are harder to find, especially ones that can be mechanically raised. I know wheelchair height sounds counterintuitive for a sit/stand desk, but I am thinking about multiple users in the household as well as being able to accommodate a wheelchair or mobile limited people.

Definitely remember that some of us have 1 monitor, and some have between 2 and 6, if you lock into one mount type... I don't want a situation where I can't throw more money at y'all on the desk of my dreams, 'cause it only supports 2 monitor setups... ya... nope... just a bad idea. My monitors and their mounts have changed more in the last 7 years than any other part of my work and gaming setups...

nice when things go smoothly

I don't want to lose desk space to a cutout. I love the beveled edges, but axe the cutout

A Top Bevel is hazard for anyone putting stuff on the edge of the desk, look I put a cup coffee on the partial bevel next thing I know, my coffee is on the floor with my shattered mug. Also you have a metal rail accessories for the tables. Why not add it to the table and make a few more for it? AKA Headset mount and stuff like that. really try to find the niche for desk accessories. Good Luck

I like Bennet's idea for the monitor arm clamp, but I think you should offer the ability to either have a clamp hole or a screw hole for arms that can/need to be drilled into the table. A possible issue with Bennet's option is that it doesn't allow for the monitor arm to be clamped as far back as possible, which, depending on the monitor arm, could reduce desk real estate by forcing the monitors to be closer to the user. Maybe you could have an optional cut-out in the back of the cable-management compartment to allow for bulkier/longer monitor arm clamps. I'd love to draw up some ideas for that if warranted.

Hyped to see telescoping legs, would be cool to see them as an option for your other tables too...

To second what I've seen others say please don't lock us in to specific mounts that is 100% a deal breaker for me. On that note, please test various types of clamp-on accessories to make sure they work with whatever bevel you want (or remove the bevel at the back/sides) so we can clamp our own monitor stands, mic booms, and other desk accessories.

LMAO @ "Not a mimic" and "Still not a mimic" on the monitor proxies.

super kick-ass episode

Am excited for a new desk, glad to see the cheaper option coming out first :p

Please don't lock me into monitor arm options, positions etc. I'd love to see a desk with 4 legs instead of the trestle - it would eliminate wobble that happens with standing desks when you have them seriously loaded. If you could solve to Desk Wobble in standing mode - you'd be an industry leader.

Please make these affordable. Loving it.

This is dope

Team Top Bevel all the way. Modular desk drawers are a nice idea but you can only add so many to the front before you start limiting the sit position height. Maybe there can be drawers or cubbies that perform similarly but attach on the rear of the desk top, for stuff you want close by but don't need at arms reach all the time.

Modular table for the win! I love the cable management (on Jason's) but I would change the door to a "J" shelf. Currently I think it looks more like an "L" shelf ya know? If you have cables in there already, the "L" will just throw those cables everywhere. a J Shelf will keep cables in a channel. Also for opening the Cable management, you could do a spring loaded knob that releases a peg that holds the whole thing together. This gives you control and a stable locking mechanism.

I graduate this Fall... Goals: 1) Get a kick-ass job (or one that pays well enough) 2) Save up and Purchase a new Car 3) Save up and Purchase a Prophecy 4) Save up and (hopefully by this time, with my obviously kick-ass paying job) buy the Prophecy Sit/Stand Desk If the pricing ends up being too steep I'll likely go Modular, but... specifically the framing on the legs... that was slick... that was amazing Jason. And yea, it does suffer from "college-itis" without that sleeve.

I like the Prophecy desk... so slick.

If you end up doing a bottom bevel with a magnetic rail. Please make a magnetic adapter to make a small part of the desk square. That way your monitor arms or any other clamp items can still fit while keeping the bottom bevel. Way to many people have specific monitor layouts or mic arms or camera arms or light poles that will no longer work with a bevel

Depends on the price points for both desks and the types of add-ons for the modular desk. The modular desk sounds like it would be a good choice as it would allow the buyer to get the components that they want instead of just getting a standard desk.

Lots of good ideas. Like Bennet's cable management best, it's cramped but I had a *moment* when Jason showed his trap door as doable for cable management. I like the modularity it'd be great to build on to develop lessoned learned for a more refined prophecy version later. For drawers pick a standard width for the side drawers you can get trays that slide on top. My WFH hack is put a cutting board over my open drawer to use it as an extra surface, tip- rounded corners slightly wider than the drawer opening help it stay the board stay centered over the drawer. It's great when you got a mouse grabbing toddler. I stored a wireless mouse in the drawer, out of sight when not in use. Make the management hole biggish in the center. You can get conference table connection plugs. The size of those are larger to accommodate more mounts. So you can drop a connection insert or monitor stand in to fill the hole.

I know the 'Prophecy' table is shelved for now but I just need to comment - I know the desire to make it an 'heirloom' piece is high, but with typical heirloom stuff, it's exactly that, whereas all Jason's desk is is a sheath around the standard office/dorm desk. The issue with that is that that's only good for as long as the actual desk inside the wooden sheath still works - it's not like you'll be offering your craftsman promise on the electricals/hydraulics/whatever of the bases you buy in.

Will hold out for the executive desk!

Depends on how the modular desk looks and how sturdy it is. I do like having it accept the normal table accessories so you can put your drink somewhere it won’t spill onto the top of the desk.

I’d look into the possibilty to have the outer sleeve on the feet part and the inner sleeve on the top. It looks weird when it extends and becomes thinner.

The sleeved bottom looks so damn good

I really hope you bring back the preset heights for it. Our desks at work allow you to preset heights and it is so nice to have it go to the same spot every time. I also use monitors from work at home so the preset mount wont work for them. Our monitors connect into a single stand that has a c-clamp to not take up desk room. If the edges of the table extended past where parts connect to it on the sides and the back that would work for anyone with c-clamps

I am liking what I see so far. I would like to see on the modular table the same leg box wraps Jason designed. I don’t like the “college” feel of the current sit/stand desks. I want it to feel well design even for modular style. I see a ton of accessories being designed for the modular desk. If Wyrmwood could integrate a wireless charging into the top part it would be amazing. I’ve seen desk that has a area where the wireless charger is but you don’t know it is there. So it is a solid top but an area of it is thinner to allow the charger to work with a phone or charging ear buds. Just a thought. Keep up the good work, I’m holding off buying a new desk cause would really like to get one from Wyrmwood.

I really think that the Modular version will have a much broader audience than the Prophecy version. I really think that most people that spend a lot on a desk for home are wanting an hierloom version, and I don't know that an hierloom sit/stand will be a thing. I can't wait to see the end result!

Honestly, I like the leg sleeves a lot, with the thickness of the desktop it makes look a lot less awkward than the exposed metal legs. I think the big thing to come up with a solution is clamps for things like monitor arms/mic booms/camera stands. Not all monitor arms are equal, so please don't lock it into one. Also L shaped version would be my biggest wish. I have too many electronics for a standard desk. As far as add ons: I think a side desk/player desk would be awesome. (it would be useful for extra real estate for those of us that play TTRPGs virtually) Drafting desk or being able to angle a portion of the top of the desk Shelving inserts/paper tray instead of a drawer

Baby gag was the best lol

I would probably go top bevel on both of them, especially on a sit-stand desk - since the sharp edges that the bottom bevel creates on top, create pinch points if you rest your arms.

Big tony in the background!!

Jason was right the first time. An anatomist is indeed someone who specializes in anatomy. Physiology doesn’t actually have to do specifically with body anatomy, more so how the body functions. While many physiologists may know what muscles are where, they more so specialize in how those muscles work, how they are innervated, how they use energy, that kind of stuff.

Requires sufficient top overhang across the back to stably clamp arm mounts (monitors, microphones, cameras, etc) across the entire length of the back as a deal breaker. Only being able to clamp in where a couple of holes are, and then only with compatible arms, will not be sufficient. Sit/stands on the market may be plain, but the advantage of their flat plain tops with nothing hanging under them is there's no obstruction to clamping to them.

Executive = expensive. Go big. Expensive woods. Etc. you may want to design it with the possibility to upgrade the tech.