Literally only because of Hypnosis. Even in his video he covered why Poliwag was able to pull a Gastly/Mewtwo, and it's because of RNG. Gastly had Hypnosis too, but far better moves and stats. Gastly's Special is insane. Poliwag has Amnesia and is too frail to use it without a sleeping enemy.
I question if it's because of the general lack of physical attacking moves. Jrose didn't keep Take Down very long, instead keeping Hydro Pump nearly the entire game just "to be a stronger Surf," which greatly lowered his consistency due to Hydro Pump's 20% miss chance. Gyrados is rocking like 125 base attack. If he had access to a physical move like gen2+ Wing Attack to get STAB, this would've been another story I think. Instead, Gyrados, despite having near-legendary stat totals, relied on two of its weakest stats (speed, special) for the entire game. Likely, the only fix for this would have involved careful money planning and spamming Carbos/Calcium (or whatever: Speed/Special vitamins) in the right amounts.
@@valhapp Gyara's Special is 100 in Gen 1, so Hydro Pump w/ STAB is about the strongest move it can learn. Take Down also has 85 accuracy and deals 25% recoil, so it's hardly a worthwhile replacement besides dealing w/ a select few high special mons that aren't immune to it. Body Slam would've been decent if he went out of the way for the one battle it requires on S.S. Anne, but otherwise his best physical option was Strength that locks him into an HM move forever b/c of no move deleter in Gen 1.
In Firered, Even with a level 100 Blastoise, because of the Rare Candy Glitch, Agathas Haunter Wasted all of my power points because I stupidly Maded Blastoise Learn Earthquake Because I'm dumb. BUT Thank the lord, I beat Lance And by Rival
Going into koga already poisoned is actually brilliant. Now you can’t get hit by toxic and you remove your biggest source of danger in a single Pokémon run.
@SoraDonaldGoofy99 Gyrados doesn't have any level up moves. Forget good. He doesn't have any level up moves period. Especially in later gens where he has terrible special attack and learns no water moves.
Oak. "Couldnt you just use the same one, these machines dont grow ln trees, they're not baitballs. Do you realise how much all it costs the Kanto tax budget for useful science research Jrose! I mean, these arent calculators! Plus Blues ones."
@@isaacleillhikar4566 The reason he is is because of gen 1, they were originally going to make him water/dragon. The only issue with that is because a water/dragon Pokémon would have no weakness so they gave him flying to cause 4x weakness to electric to help keep this pseudo-legendary in check.
Magikarp: Just wait you bullies I'm going to tell my older brother about you! Bully: Ha ha, if he's as pathetic as you we have nothing to worry about. Gyarados: Time to rampage on some fools.
I think we all have a tier list of our RU-vid subscriptions for which videos to watch before other ones. You are without a doubt S tier. If there's a new video from every channel I subscribe to I'm watching you first. Love your vids, Jrose. Keep it up man.
@@gmenos6252 Pikasprey is infuriatingly dumb. Manly will often play the same games, but won't spend 40 minutes being confused and then angrily going "Oh, it's going to be one of THESE kinds of games!!!" Nothing wrong with being bad at games. Jrose, for example, is not the strongest Pokemon player (and even has said so himself), but he never comes across like he's blaming his mistakes or own shortcomings on "bad game design."
These videos never get old, I think that's because you have a more "scientific" approach to the challenges trying to reduce the amount of luck or cheap strategies.
Tbh, some of the cheaper channels don't get old for me either. The reason I keep coming back here and not to other channels isn't that the scientific approach feels more redeeming/authentic/challenging, but that it's evidence that JRose doesn't just do the challenges because people like watching Pokemon being played, or even because he likes the challenge. He's also legitimately interested in the result, which is just a real breath of fresh air in a sea of streamers/RU-vidrs who are in it mostly just to "be gamers in front of an audience". JRose likes playing because the games matter to him (be it because of their design or because of the nostalgia - same effect, ultimately), and that's beautiful.
"There are still 6 extremely tough battles ramaining" I'm confused. You have a rival battle, Lorelei, Agatha, Lance, and the Champion Rival battle. Who's the sixth extremely tough battle?
move pool in gen one will hurt Dragonite a lot at the start , warp is op but slow and its only attacking move till level 35 so grabbing tm's would be a must , and the slow level up group
@@Kaiser00Wilhelm Ironically, growlithe is probably faster than arcanine because arcanine doesn't learn any moves while growlithe can badge boost with agility and learns flamethrower at level 50. Still, both of them have a very shallow move pool.
Skipping Body Slam and installing Thunderbolt right away were the two decisions that hurt this run. Just finished a Gyarados only run and Body Slam, Ice Beam, Surf and Hydro Pump gave just as good coverage. Installed Thunderbolt over ice beam for Lorelei and Blizzard over Hydro Pump for Lance. Didn't have nearly as much trouble.
When your rival sees that Gyarados every time y'all battle, it's probably a combination of wondering what the hell you're doing and rage quitting after getting 6-0ed every time.
i never drop everything im doing as fast as i do when i see youve uploaded. you know its gonna be a good day when jrose comes through with the 40 min video
@@cam3626 thank you. People don't always realise how much of a difference a few words can make to someone with depression. I don't know what I'd do without the internet you lot are the best.
Me and my girlfriend broke up 2 months ago, and I have been pretty depressed. Your vids have really helped keep me distracted and have made me laugh. Thanks alot man and keep it up :))
I was thinking this as well. But given their mediocre Special Defense in Generation III, I think Surf would take care of them just fine. Earthquake would be more for Muk.
32:30 "and it doesn't flinch or get a critical hit" -- remember, Bite can't cause flinches! You learned that and taught it to us back in one of your other runs! Maybe Ekans?
I personally would have rather gone with Body Slam instead of Hydro Pump. It's great against Pokémon with low def but high special. Also the chance to paralyze against non-normals is very useful.
exactly. Physical moves may as well be an unofficial super effective move against Alakazam and other pokes. It's why I think Hypno is kinda underrated in gen 1 especially if you can't trade to get an Alakazam. He completely walls Alakazam and deals good damage against it with normal moves and a decent attack stat.
Your vids have been a consistent highlight during the decade known as 2020. Always an amazing source of entertainment, and just interesting in general to see how you decide to tackle challenges like these!
10:52 Gen 3: *arrives* Gyarados: "Hey, I can use earthquake! Yay! I will stop at nothing from now on!" Also Gen 3: *introduces abilities* Koga's Koffings and Weezing: "We're about to end this man's whole career."
I think Lapras has a good shot at outdoing Gyarados; you get pretty much the same movepool but with Body Slam naturally so you don't need to fight a trainer to get it and Sing, which alongside Lapras' much better HP and much lower Attack should make Lorelei and Agatha a lot more reasonable to beat at minimum battles. Plus STAB Blizzard is great too and could make OHKOing Venusaur possible. Lapras being even slower sucks, but the only threats in danger of out-speeding it that Gyarados outsped would be the other Gyarados and Dragonite, but looking up the stats it is possible for Lapras to outspeed them in the late 40s/early 50s as long as you have a good enough Speed DV and high Speed Stat EXP (so if you try Lapras, getting a max Speed DV and loading up on Carbos will be essential)
@@Acacius1992 Yeah Lapras should also be able to beat Lt. Surge immediately after the SS Anne at minimum battles, saving time on not having to backtrack later and getting Thunderbolt before Rock Tunnel, but that is probably offset by Gyarados being able to OHKO more pokemon early on.
I've tried Lapras myself with minimum battles and i'm now at the entrance to victory road and holy shit lapras is really good. The only time i actually struggled was when i had to fight either rival 2 or misty. I had to use bide to get past rival 5 because lapras only has water gun and growl (i believe it was growl lol but it was something pretty useless so i forgot) until it learns sing at lvl 16. after beating rival 2 i defeated all the mandatory trainers on the way to bill and leveled up enough to beat misty with bide. Then you get bubble beam and the run becomes a walk in the park, at least until elite 4 Edit: little update on this. I defeated final rival at lvl 49 but only because i got mad luck against his venusaur. Turn one venusaur outspeeds but goes for solar beam, i hit with blizzard and it is very close to ohk but i get a lucky freeze and am able to take it out in the next turn. I didn't even use any of the rare candies and the toughest battle was agatha because every single one of her pokemon outspeed me and psychic didn't one shot. My moveset was: Surf Blizzard Bodyslam (changed it to psychic before fighting agatha) Thunderbolt
@@stinky7018 Oh damn I forgot Lapras learns Psychic too, yeah that's another advantage it has over Gyarados to reduce the luck needed to beat Agatha. As for barely missing the OHKO on Venusaur at the end, perhaps as long as Lapras gets a high enough Special DV and it's loaded up with Calcium early, it could secure the OHKO. Alternatively, you go for Gen 1 strats and let the Rhydon Leer/Tail Whip you once or twice for a bit extra Special and Speed to outspeed and 100% OHKO the Venusaur (though that is if Lapras doesn't level up between Rhydon and Venusaur).
In the description, "it's evolved form" should be _"its_ evolved form", with no apostrophe. (17:51) That's hilarious that Psywave can deal 0 damage to the player in Gen. 1. (18:26) Aw, but I love the Count impression. (32:44) Slam was not good... Wow, the game really trolled you there. I wonder how different the end of the video would've been if... either you didn't miss with Blizzard, or if that Slam didn't crit. Would Gyarados have successfully completed minimum battles? The world may never know. (39:49) And that's game!
You said that Koga would be a breeze if this was Gen 3 and you could teach Gyarados Earthquake. But you forget that in Firered and Leafgreen, the Earthquake TM is given by Giovanni, who can't be battled until the other Gym Leaders have been defeated, including Koga.
I forgot this. Maybe he meant if Gyarados had the ability to learn Earthquake like in Generation III, though. Then he could still grab TM26 from the Silph Co. before Koga and use it top destroy him.
@@reddragonair3147wouldn't help as much as you'd think. koffing and wheezing both have levitate and muk is still a 2HKO (although I think muk is in healing range but I didn't do any damage calculations to confirm).
@@petelee2477 I see what you're saying. But my original reply was that JRose might have been talking about if Gyarados could learn Earthquake in Gen I like it could in Gen III, in which case Abilities still wouldn't exist yet. Now with this said, on reading these comments and reflecting, I doubt he was meaning it in the way I was suggesting. Which means the person I was replying to was right.
Why does this guy have a consistent upload schedule now? Wtf is happening in the world Edit: I love these new videos, they are really enjoyable to watch
Starmie, with access to Psychic, would have a nifty chance in the game, although beating Misty or Surge would be a chore. I mean, Thunderbolt would be handy, but how to win it with only Water Gun and Tackle?
Jrose, I would love to see how a run with a starter (but allowing it to evolve) compares. As in, how would Charizard compare (rather than just charmander). Or do you think it would not be close to that 3:30 category?
It has less stats than Gyarados and is probably going to have trouble vs Lorelei, Lance and the Rival's Blastiose due to having bad coverage (technically you could learn submission to be super effective vs ice type, but a non-resisted flamethrower/fire blast does similar damage without the recoil, so you'll probably be stuck using fly, earthquake, hyper beam and a fire move as damage moves; Actually probably not even hyper beam as it probably costs too many coins in the game corner when trying to do a fast run). It's probably not that bad as it does level faster than Gyarados, but it won't be that impressive, and its early game is very slow as with the Charmander due to exactly the me issues it had.
In standard "optimised" speed runs you can do blastoise or nidoking in sub two hours. Jrose is probably not aiming for that level of optimisation, but I think that's an indicator of how good some of them are. The speed run category does however use every trick in the book - including item use in battles.
@@Dragonoid269 it'll be better if he tries it in fire red or leaf green. Gen 1 mech kinda screws charizard a lot, especially the fact that it can't even resist ice. I don't see him getting past any of the elite 4.
I honestly wish Jrose would redo these older runs, updating his tier list, with the better optimization of.more recent runs. I feel like Gyarados would get a better time.
After watching just one of these challenges from boredom, I got hooked and have kept up with every single one. And even then, every single time I still love how you choose to use my personal favorite Pokemon game, Pokemon Conquest, and it's awesome soundtrack as the BGM.
@@oliverleonard7730 yes it did. Went from 100 to 60. Given that most of its attacks use the special stat it would make the run a lot less easy until the gen where it gets physical stab moves.
Gyarados fan for 20 years now. Sorry, it really wouldn't. Gyarados is a nightmare to use in FRLG because it's so weak with any non-Hidden Power or Strength (since Return is one-time) move it learns. 60 SpA is really weak. Even Lickitung will hit harder.
I love the colors for this one because it looks lovely and designed FOR Gyarados. This is another case for naming a challenge after you. I’m thinking “The JRose Water Onix Challenge.”
Also there's a glitch that when you get hit by Psywave it can deal [0 hp-1.5 the attackers level], but when attacking it's [1 hp-1.5 the attackers level]. So you can desynchronize a link battle with that move :P
That's so weird, I usually play your videos early moning while I'm waking up as they usually come out overnight/very early morning, and one of my first thoughts after I woke up this morning was "I haven't seen a jRose video in a while, I wonder if he had to slow down"
I find it really interesting that Gyarados couldn’t do minimum battles while Gastly could. Looking at the hardest fights for Gyarados (Lorelei, Agatha, Lance) I think a few things made those easier for Gastly. For one, Gastly levels up faster which helps a ton (especially with outspeeding things). Gastly also used Mimic, so it could mimic Amnesia/Agility which helped it a lot, and had Psychic for Agatha. I’d be remiss to not mention Hypnosis too, especially given how OP sleep is in Gen 1. And of course the typing was a huge factor; Slam, Hyper Beam, Body Slam, etc. weren’t an issue for Gastly. Aerodactyl, which gave Gyarados trouble, can’t even hit Gastly because it has only normal moves. And because Gastly is poison type, the AI spams agility which made Lance trivial. It’s kinda crazy that Gastly, a not-even-evolved Pokémon, can compete with the strongest Pokémon in the game. I do wonder if Gyarados could have performed better if Jrose used Mimic though. Anyway, loved the video as always!
+ Ηι βγε biggest advantage of gastly, lots of pokemon uses like normal moves. 2nd gastly does have high atk and speed enough to pretty much be top 10 beat only runs. gastly also access to moves like confuse ray and sleep. gastly psychic in gen 1 is really op and can access to mimic lol.
@Lady Idoun I mean... yeah, that’s basically what I said in my comment. It should be noted though that Gyarados and Gastly have nearly identical special and speed (100/81 vs 100/80, respectively) while Gyarados is *much* bulkier. Also, Jrose didn’t use Confuse Ray at all, so that’s not a factor either. That’s part of why I found it so surprising that Gastly could do minimum battles while Gyarados couldn’t
Think of it like this though. Moltres and I think Zapdos has so many issues with Brock they needed to level up early. Gyarados only needed two trainers like both of these guys so I think it's still in the same league as the birds. *gets to end of video* nevermind. I honestly never rated Gyarados because of that x4 times weakness to Electric types, but holy heck did it just steamroll the first half. I didn't realise just how crazy its stats were.
In general solo runs always come down to speed. If your slower than your enemies you get hit more and have to sit through all their attacks. That is a killer to your in game time, basically doubling the length of every battle. Even if he never ran into trouble it's still be pretty slow due.
We've missed you dude. Thanks for the video. I suggest a "How Fast" video with all the OU staples like Snorlax, Tauros, Dragonite, Slowbro, Jynx, and Exeggutor
I queue up your videos nightly as white noise to fall asleep. Not as a "these videos are boring", they're just soothing and easy to follow without watching. Some nice poke-ASMR ;)
I've started watching these in full-screen with the time bar hidden. It's much more suspenseful to watch battles when you don't know how much time is left. If he's on Lance with 15mn left in the video it's a dead giveaway that run wasn't successful, conversely if he's on the Champion with 2mn left you know it was. But if you can't see how much time is left then it keeps the mystery alive
