How Nihility Became The Strongest Path In Honkai: Star Rail

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With the release of Black Swan in 2.0 and Acheron in 2.1, the Nihility path has become one of if not the most prominent paths in the game, with its teams capable of handling a wide range of situations that others paths don't have the same coverage for yet. Today I wanted to discuss how I believe the meta for the majority of version 2 will consist of nihility, debuffing and damage over time.
0:00 - Introduction
2:45 - The Early Metagame
4:07 - The Importance of Elemental Coverage
6:03 - Nihility's True Strength (Acheron/Silver Wolf)
10:40 - Damage Over Time (Kafka/Black Swan)
12:52 - How Nihility Became The BEST Path
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@VarsII Месяц назад

@demoncloud6147 Месяц назад

Sampo is the Garbage ?

@karsonkammerzell6955 Месяц назад

I pre-installed this game remembering some 'first impressions' video I saw and what are the odds it was Vars, lol!

@Kro-RissaVirus Месяц назад

“Waifu over meta” players when the Waifus ARE the meta: 😳

@nolmartmaridorgimeno7022 Месяц назад

the waifus have always been meta mate

@mikon- Месяц назад

@@nolmartmaridorgimeno7022 Dehya: Allow me to introduce myself.

@Truck-kun11 Месяц назад

@@mikon-Raiden, Furina, Hu Tao, Yelan, Kokomi, Nilou, etc... "Allow us to introduce ourselves"

@nam6282 Месяц назад

@@mikon- nahida: allow me to introduce myself. Oh wait-

@Danny-mp8dq Месяц назад

"Meta over waifus" players when the meta is the waifu'

@VeraExora Месяц назад

But can Acheron deal 1 Quingquillion damage after gambling away 19 skill points? Checkmate

@hailthequeenFM Месяц назад

I think she could do it.

@nyes4596 Месяц назад

I saw an Acheron doing almost 1.1 Nihillion damage with Erudition so..

@worldiefeard8396 Месяц назад

@@nyes4596 only 1 million? with 5 enemies on board (es swarm or argenti) i've seen stuff on the line of 20+ millions And lord forsake you get your hands on one of those E6S5 you occasionally see in the supports...

@heilamwether8911 Месяц назад

Tbh tho, QQ can outdmg a e0s1 Acheron.. (it just matters if you get lucky or not: if u have aukurky, + a 4 sp stack with decent-good relics, and s5 genius or s1 before dawn, that is easily 300k single dmg, maybe even more for multi ☠️. The only reason why I think QQ is stuck in S-tier on Prydwen, is bcs of the heavy luck, and high sp cost, which makes her a “worst” unit than DHIL bcs he has almost 100% uptime with sparkle, and consistent dmg. If actually comparing dmg, her dmg is roughtly the same as DHIL ( between 10-30% weaker depending, it’s very similar to Jingliu’s dmg. )when luck is on 100% uptime, but that’s literally impossible to have constantly, which is why she’s stuck in S :/)

@heilamwether8911 Месяц назад

@@nyes4596I’m be honest, that’s chump change: my QQ does triple that when I have propagation buffs and erudition buffs. (But it really doesn’t matter rn since u can cheese G&G with cosmic fragment Strat :/)

@humphrey261 Месяц назад

one day my Arlan will shake up the meta just you wait (I’m stilling trying to get past not killing myself with my skill)

@synysterR6 Месяц назад

New patch Arlan can now crit on his self harm. also he is now able to reduce his own hitpoints to zero.

@walidhalabi4866 Месяц назад

@@synysterR6lol

@rafi...___ Месяц назад

@@synysterR6wait what? so arlan just commits suicide now?

@kurostyx9124 Месяц назад

@@rafi...___ you can do it on first turn now

@oneesanamv1025 Месяц назад

My guy really undermining my man SAMPO KOSKI. He's the best support for BS AND Kafka too imo, his DoT application is so much that you can easily reach like 20+ Arcana stack onto the enemy and then Kafka detonates it and reach insane damage.

@VarsII Месяц назад

Sampo paid you to say this.

@oneesanamv1025 Месяц назад

@@VarsII Maybe? Maybe not. I've been his main since the beginning of the game since he's the first 4 star I've got.

@etheriusnebuli8808 Месяц назад

@oneesanamv1025 ahhhh, we have the rarest kind of player here (I don't play him much anymore but I like him too lol, dk why people hate him so much)

@the_real_breeso Месяц назад

@@VarsII It's called lobbying. Sampo Koski, the most trustworthy merchant of this Amber Era, would never bribe anyone

@raihanrusli2720 Месяц назад

@@VarsIIthis person might be Sparkle in disguise

@introvertion6460 Месяц назад

I love how nihility characters can take any role. Dps like acheron,Kafka and blackswan. Supports like sw and pela and even kinda sustains like welt

@Diavola_ Месяц назад

I agree with that, but I find it pretty annoying that in Simulated Universe all the Nihility blessings are for DoT

@nopputhihk848 Месяц назад

@@Diavola_ what do you even use in SU?

@Glizzyman Месяц назад

@@nopputhihk848I mean I haven't tried acheron on su yet but wouldn't nihility path be the best for her?

@Bingo440 Месяц назад

@@Glizzyman the 3-star gifts are super good for her but almost all of the 2- and 1-star gifts are useless so taking that path isn't great. you are better off just going hunt and getting the extra turn upgrade for the path attack

@dontshitontravelermains5498 Месяц назад

@@GlizzymanNah, Acheron barely getting any benefit from Nihility Path at all except maybe faster energy regeneration for her ULT. Erudition & Hunt are mile better for her in overall term for SIMU.

@kritzum Месяц назад

E0 Acheron casually hitting 300k+, no lightcone (GNSW)

@GhostyBoi119ts Месяц назад

Same

@jeshu5073 Месяц назад

ikr, im waiting to pull her lightcone so i put level1 gnsw s5, and she did 150k, i was like WHAT

@kuratse205 Месяц назад

meanwhile my maxed out seele with full mono quantum team is failing to reach 300k 😭

@bakayarokonoyaro8375 Месяц назад

problem is that my GNSW is with Kafka. And I'm not taking that from her

@FlashKillerX Месяц назад

I should have just run GNSW on her I really regret pulling her lightcone (I went to hard pity and lost to welts light cone and then went to hard pity again)

@danielferrieri7434 Месяц назад

Kafka: The Mommy of Nihility Black Swan: The Aunt of Nihility Acheron: The Step Mother of Nihility

@franconunez925 Месяц назад

Sampoo: The uncle that everytime you hear of him, he has a new job and it's probably a front to sell drugs.

@nuspas Месяц назад

@@franconunez925 why is this so accurate

@franconunez925 Месяц назад

@@nuspas because I have a Sampoo uncle...but less cooler and more bald.

@sabo4142 Месяц назад

@@franconunez925Are you trying to convice us that ur uncle isn't Walter White with this "less cooler"?

@franconunez925 Месяц назад

@@sabo4142 ah... I... Hate how much spot on this is, beside the fact that he doesn't invent drugs in this case.

@AleksAleyard Месяц назад

I have a feeling we’re going to start seeing the rise of follow up attack characters next

@jasmineelhilali9152 Месяц назад

We have so many follow up characters already what😭, Clara, Ratio, March,Himeko, Herta, Aventurine, Qinque, Jing Yuan, Blade and probably morr

@AleksAleyard Месяц назад

@@jasmineelhilali9152 I’m talking about in terms of strength and team building, aventurine is going to be our first five star defensive option with a heavy emphasis on follow up attacks, and robin is also going to be the new best harmony character for most follow up based characters

@dontshitontravelermains5498 Месяц назад

@@AleksAleyardAnd soon we will also have Jade who will be the role as follow up attack support while being a great sub-dps XD

@danieliyandani3078 Месяц назад

@@jasmineelhilali9152 Aventurine FUA sustain and robin also buff FUA

@camilaloaiza7731 Месяц назад

The issue I see with follow up is that they all behave really different, is quite hard to build the archetype since Numby, Lightning Lord and Ratio's Chalk have different conditions and mechanics but all are FuA's, doesn't feel as cohesive as debuffs or DoTs, also, Topaz as an enabler lacks utility, her buff is nice but not enough to compite with a buffer or debuffer and being only single target is quite punitive in this game.

@tyragon3068 Месяц назад

Scariest thing about Nihility is that 5* Pela still doesn't exist...

@Glizzyman Месяц назад

5* pela gonna go hard, they'll cook and make her a nihility, sub DPS sustain cus why not

@ZuoLee Месяц назад

Yeah can't wait for more info about Pink Male Foxian

@sabo4142 Месяц назад

@@GlizzymanI am a debuffer but...

@nobblkpraetorian5623 Месяц назад

Silver Wolf is kinda like 5 star Pela, just single target.

@dan_chen Месяц назад

Now imagine a 5 star luka who has an aoe ultimate, imagine breaking every enemy with physical

@bromegaman5962 Месяц назад

Nihility almost covers all roles at this point. All we would need is a Nihility character that makes it so DoTs or breaks heal the team 😂

@ashgarden5863 Месяц назад

They'd be a must pull for me.

@Ali_Fuchs Месяц назад

DoTs heals the team - that's the SU blessing. But there's one that increases break efficiency, and we got Ruan Mei for it outside of SU, so there's hope for this one too :D

@k-disboher1105 Месяц назад

@@Ali_Fuchs TBH we just need a healer that also applies DOT and we almost kinda/sorta got that with Gallagher with his break effect scaling I still hope/expect to get a healer that heals based on DOT like the SU blessing, but I believe we got a little bit closer to peak DOT meta comp with Gallagher

@isaiahjohnson3487 Месяц назад

Before her kit reveal, that's what I thought BS would do, and I was so ready.

@eden5388 Месяц назад

Welt:

@Julie-is2bz Месяц назад

I remember someone said "Nihility will be strongest over time" months ago.

@randomness.stupidness Месяц назад

THEY SOUND LIKE A PROPHET NOW😭🙏

@reizshfelonia6471 Месяц назад

The moment 1.2 released, Destruction and Nihility started their rise to dominance.

Месяц назад

Patience is all you need.

@VarsII Месяц назад

Slight mistake. 5:11 shows the wrong weakness table. Editor originally showed a different mob and we changed it. He changed the image but not the weakness table my bad.

@Wandermidget Месяц назад

The sheer amount of viable, different playstyles is what I like most about Star Rail. You been burned by too many rolls in Hoyo games or even other RPGs not going into your crit stats? Just roll for Kafka, Black Swan, and all the other DoT Nil characters and you'll never have to worry about "chances" ever again. You get a dopamine rush when you see characters attack when it's not their turn or use an additional action? There's a girl, her space pig, and her annoying co-worker that would love to meet you. You just want one character to handle the damage while your other three support and bolister said character? Yep, that's a hyper carry, and they tend to be on Destruction or "Destruction-like" (whatever that means) path. Or in this video's case, the Non-DoT Nihility path. Even though there are "universal characters" like Ruan Mei and to a somewhat lesser extent Silver Wolf/Pela, I find it so cool that so many main damage dealers have entirely different team comps, stat distributions, and even light cone usage, despite using the same characters. I hope Star Rail continues to do this for at least another three years. I know with the more characters over the years, this statement will become less and less true.

@techtutorial9050 Месяц назад

IMHO, I actually feel like the best thing for Star Rail right now is to slow down and focus on releasing fewer characters with more carefully balanced stats. Doing this would also give them time and room for more creative character design and give some time for casuals to catch up with the recent power creep.

@MyVanir Месяц назад

@@techtutorial9050 That will not happen, they will keep releasing 2 new characters per patch, in all likelihood. Mihoyo are absolutely glacial in changing things.

@karsonkammerzell6955 Месяц назад

What Vars doesn't tell us is that the original title of this video was, "Telling You I Hate Sampo Without Telling You I Hate Sampo". 😂 What did he do to you in a past life, Vars, lol? Also, hilariously, he was the first character I ever maxed and that was at launch and before I even knew what a 'Kafka' was. I just liked the DoT and hoped they'd add more to it. Happy boy now for sure, lol.

@BestgirlJordanfish Месяц назад

I think design will continue to get nuttier. We’re also seeing Break and FUA strategies going wild, and we’re exploring more hybrid path spaces, and doubling up path spaces. I just hope they slow down or give more tools to catch up, since we’re already hitting power creep and bloat, and I want this game to welcome more players and foster a healthy future.

@burnedchicken6644 Месяц назад

i honestly am on-off with hsr and just got back again bcs anni and idk if i want to go back because the never ending powercreep. i feel like i have to get the new character everytime to catch up and i hate it.

@shinidragon7775 Месяц назад

@@burnedchicken6644 Well you don't have to do that

@burnedchicken6644 Месяц назад

@@shinidragon7775 “i feel like” get it?

@shinidragon7775 Месяц назад

@@burnedchicken6644 yes I get it but the feeling is unfounded

@burnedchicken6644 Месяц назад

@@shinidragon7775 how is it unfounded when multiple other people (including op) feels or worry abt it? vars wouldn’t make the video if its unfounded. its a concern people felt (and experienced) thats why he discussed this. i pulled jy in 1.0 bcs i prefer men and i was instantly punished by it. now i have to get his support to make up for that. but oh wait, this character is better. then this one. sure everyone have their niche to shine but at the end most people dont have the time to go for niche, they go for best universal.

@zerovking7629 Месяц назад

Nihility is gonna be meta right now since the content is being tailored towards it couple of updates and I guarantee a video similar to this will be made except for another path dont give into the fomo

@Truck-kun11 Месяц назад

Yea, remember when Topaz launched and suddenly Follow-Up attacks became the best option for everything? That's how they get you

@overlordshiina Месяц назад

That's the Honkai Impact strat

@Kspice9000 Месяц назад

@@Truck-kun11true but now we have actual data so atleast people can attempt to be smart about their pulls.

@ruijeonen7264 Месяц назад

The Sampo Slander is so strong on this one 😂😂 Great video as always Vars!

@primalfire7689 Месяц назад

What did bro even do to get such slander bruh 😔

@geoydudep Месяц назад

Acheron is actually really cool

@SundayMatinee Месяц назад

Great video! I really appreciate how you try to take a meta-level approach to analyzing characters.

@Truck-kun11 Месяц назад

Acheron being so powerful worries me from a balancing standpoint. A well-build Acheron trivializes most of the game's content, so it's inevitable that everything will become more difficult to balance her existence, which will be a big problem for those who don't have her. And since she's obviously the devs' favorite, they won't do anything to make her weaker anytime soon.

@Glizzyman Месяц назад

Not really, I mean she's not so much more broken then everyone that she just one shots everything but she's just typical powercreep. She's what jinglui did to the game when she came out, best dps and black swan did the same thing with Kafka. As long as you can beat the game with 4 stars only then I think it's in a good state

@Ali-cya Месяц назад

@@Glizzyman You can't beat the game with 4-stars only at least not MoC and PF. You can with their Eidolons, but people who do it have expressed how straining and harder it is getting every patch despite already reached the peak in investment outside better relics. The new patch will raise MoC and PF even higher and according to dreams so will 2.2 too.

@Glizzyman Месяц назад

@@Ali-cya I never said it was easy with 4 stars only, in genshin it isn't easy either withouth having c6, I'm just saying that it's possible. I'm mostly just talking about how people complaining about the game getting harder, that it's not a big deal since we dont know how much moc is gonna be raised by. And Its not going to be enough to push anyone down to not 3 star it, unless they get specifically countered which sucks but that's how moc is. Anyone that can 3 star abyss with selee probably will still be able to especially with sparkle, unless the moc changes to be difficult even for someone like IL then it's not too bad. Genshin has the same problem with powercreep yet people can still beat the game with something like diluc, I just hope the game doesn't get powercrepy hard and you can still beat the game with any 5 star dps like genshin. If you decide to focus on the character ofc

@Ali-cya Месяц назад

@@Glizzyman Not really, in Genshin there are people still beating the Abyss without any constellations on 4-stars and even without 4-star weapons. Mainly because the game is balanced around its elemental system, there would be no point in the elements if characters relied entirely or mostly on their raw damage. HSR has the elemental weaknesses, but it's more of a bonus than the main way characters dish out their damage as you can't break enemies multiple times per turn. This is also only a year after its release compared to Genshin's almost 4 years.

@sabo4142 Месяц назад

Yes, as an E2 Blade main content diff is growing since the release of Dan heng and Jingliu so they will "balance" Acheron and fuck everyone in the process. (I don't have trouble anymore because i improved my characters but who knows)

@Slimebawt Месяц назад

A Vars upload! Thank you for easy listening content for my job 🙏

@yatinrajesh167 Месяц назад

Acheron's technique literally helps me clear simulated universe soo much faster especially swarm disaster and gears. Honestly although most cc's told that she is bad without lightcone idts cause I was casually hitting like 300-400k with gnsw and pela with sweaty pearls

@shutup1037 Месяц назад

😂

@worldiefeard8396 Месяц назад

It's not that she's "bad without lightcone". She's "worse". Instead of a S++ unit, she's "just" a S unit. Star rail is designed in a way where you can beat it with pretty much everything, and you can go overkill very easily if you want to whale. Acheron's dmg with S5 GNSW is approximately 20-25% less on a long fight compared to her signature, mainly due to your ultimate getting delayed a entire cycle. Which in practice means you're taking 1-2 cycle more or so to clear. Far from "unplayable", simply worse.

@reizshfelonia6471 Месяц назад

Not bad. It's just that her main downside is that Nihility has bad DPS lightcone options. Either go for her signature, GNSW and a LC that was revealed to me in a dream where it increases crit stats but its a gacha 4-star.

@Kspice9000 Месяц назад

@@worldiefeard8396nah tears lc s5 has the same stack generation benefits and has dmg on par with gnsw.

@Kspice9000 Месяц назад

@@reizshfelonia6471tears lc generates points just fine.

@makamiusless1954 Месяц назад

I kinda want to imagine how things would change in version 3.0+ With debuffing being the main focus in ver 2. I guess in 3. buffing your team members would be crucial again with enemies having ridiculously high eff res or straight up immunity or full resistance to debuffs in most cases. Or we'll have something like a "quick swap" in Star Rail, with members doing okay dmg at best but in exchange can do dmg very often very efficiently, slowly and directly chipping away the enemy's health. Or they could tap into more niches with the debuffs. Like having a remembrance character i.e a dot focus character who deals Ice Dot, or maybe something like a quantum character who can stack entanglements onto the enemies without worrying about the stack limit.

@wongo6828 Месяц назад

I was pleasantly surprised with how much damage Kafka and Black Swan did. 200k at most at MoC. Nihility became so much fun for me to play in SU because of them. Now I'm planning on pulling for Acheron (hopefully it won't take me to hard pity on a 50/50 xD).

@Kspice9000 Месяц назад

Hope you got her. Ache is awesome bs/kafka and a dream team with ruan mei.

@myuuthunder2159 12 дней назад

i'm glad that i wasn't wrong in my planning. i foresaw the power of DoTs being able to bruteforce content. so i decided to save up and get kafka. i got her at e3s1 but at the cost of losing other Dps units, and good thing i also got a blackswan and ruan mei to partner with her. so that's one team that can already clear any content. but due to lacking a premium dps i was having a hard time with the 2nd team. acheron was a godsend, the number one reason that got me to pull for her was she can reduce toughness break and qol that she gives reducing the time i need spent on SU in my account i only got 4 limiteds; Kafka, Ruan mei, Black swan, and acheron. (ratio is free) i don't have those other dps and those premium sustains/buffer but that didn't stop me from finishing content since just kafka/Black swan and Acheron demolishes them. good planning can save you from using money to get a character. lol

@IanDavid01 Месяц назад

06:09 06:46 10:49 What did Sampo do to you? 😅😅😅

@colorlessguard Месяц назад

you must not have seen his Sparkle pulls 😂

@Saberdud Месяц назад

Sampo NTR him ofc

@VarsII Месяц назад

Existed.

@IanDavid01 Месяц назад

@@VarsII 😅😅😅

@IanDavid01 Месяц назад

@@colorlessguard no. I haven't. It's really that bad eh? 😅😅😅

@xanaviii Месяц назад

Can confirm. I have very little account development because Silver Wolf mono quantum carries me to 3 star MOC 12 on 1 side no matter what. My only other developed element is Ice.

@Pikaman20008 Месяц назад

I actually did manage to get Acheron and her Light Cone day 1 since I bought all the Stellar Jades in the shop before the bonus reset :D

@why-so-toxic_1413 Месяц назад

In my opinion we have a little bit too much characters in this path like we gonna need some preservation characters plz because there not that much in that path

@KobeEscalante Месяц назад

I felt that "who you bring matters" most in the latest story boss fight. Turns out it's a world of difference when using March with actual AoE and shield skill versus Gepard with no AoE and shields reliant on ult. That said, fitting for the Nihility path to be the path that says "nothing matters, not even your type and resistance"

@raihanrusli2720 Месяц назад

I returned to HSR at 1.6, but almost quit again because how difficult the combat content for me, you cant just random sh*t go everytime. But once I learned DoT dont require crits and pretty easy to build like transformative reactions in genshin, then I got Kafka, they kept me in the game. Kafka and DoT really carry me in the SU, since nihility's path resonance is also very very OP imo. Every dot enjoyers can feel the phun when you see such large amount of debuffs. And at 2.0 my friend told me about Black Swan, so I pulled her. The double mommy DoT combo dont dissapoint

@nationalgeografic7687 26 дней назад

Welcome to -powercreep- endgame

@Kevin-rv8br Месяц назад

Becoming a nihility gamer by complete accident and then fully commiting to it was truly one of my best investment decisions xD

@defenestratedone Месяц назад

took my E0 Acheron with Good Night, Sleep Well into MoC12 for a quick test, I have mostly mediocre relics and still 3 cycled Sam. With my Kafka/Black Swan on the other side, my teams were 5/8 nihility. Guess I'm a nihility main now.

@MacA60230 Месяц назад

Just got Acheron E2, I also have Seele E2 and Jingliu E2 and I have to say it feels like a different ballgame. Regardless of the enemy team comp she just roflstomps through them. I already thought my Jingliu was really insane but Acheron takes it to another level, at least at E2

@AdrianArmbruster Месяц назад

With Acheron I now have two Nihility teams. Ach is a more traditional hypercarry crit team, just doubling up on debuffers, then there's the usual Kaf-Swan DoT team. Combined it's rounded off the last few stars I needed for this round's MoC/PF, and made short work of Aventurine too.

@viceroycat6376 Месяц назад

I've always felt this way about nihility. I used to use Pelageya Sergeyevna A LOT until I got my first 5 star (Welt) so I played through all of Belabog to the end of the Lofou (and SU) with Kafka, Sampo, Welt, and Natasha(sometimes switching Welt off with Pela)Now I usually use them for harder stuff and I replaced Pela/Welt with Guenifen and Natasha with Lynx. Nihility really does kick but especially with the newer 4 set added to the game. The only downside would be that they are glass cannon, it generally takes 2 to 3 hits to kill one of them if Lynx can heal them or doesn't have ult. Lynx can buff thier max HP though so it evens out somewhat (unless it's the trash can lord, he still one shots the team members after he buffs himself) and fights are usually over when the enemy decides to act because of DoT or Kafka force activating the DoTs

@herrscherkiller3432 Месяц назад

Fun fact, at the time Raiden Mei got her Herrscher of Thunder form playable, we also got Irene and formed the first lightning dedicated team. Then other suports dedicated towards an element like Haxxor Bunny (Silver Wolf), for ice damage, Fischl still for lightning damage came out. So we can say she also started a niche just like her Genshin and Star Rail versions. Because before that we used elemental suports, who could suport every element for tge elemental teams.

@danisetsuna8312 Месяц назад

I'm just glad I get to use my Guin and Welt. I thought I'd bench them forever but now with Raiden (Acheron) and Ratio they have a purpose. I don't have Kafka and BS, but SW, so it's nice nihility is becoming more than just the restricted DoT teams Also my E6 Luocha applies 2 debuffs and fits right into Acheron and Ratio teams, and even shreds more Resistance

@yumi3489 Месяц назад

Since we are getting a phys hunt next patch - i expect more focus on single-target and break. Expecting my Sushang to shine! Ofc destro and debuffs likely won’t go out of meta for a long time due to versatility/coverage

@mika086 Месяц назад

Mei as always being Hoyo's favourite

@dragon_shrine Месяц назад

We now have the Raiden and the Eula (Jingliu, imo) of Honkai Star Rail, I love both play styles!

@justasleepu3988 Месяц назад

What's with the hate on Sampo though? Buddy is literally a puppy next to Sparkle. Also good luck to Acheron pullers, but i'm personally skipping. Nihility mommy is one thing, but Sam with Firefly is another.

@11ssylviaa11 Месяц назад

Probably because Sampo isn't a tall woman with a forced mommy voice lol

@isfrenchjei Месяц назад

@@11ssylviaa11 probably because he's not a tall woman with a mommy voice idk might be wrong

@noxlunesia Месяц назад

A super underrated choice for DoT teams is Trailblazer (Preservation) S/He can already add debuffs by applying a roomwide taunt, AND can make best use of the light cone "Trend of the Universal Market" which, while admittedly RNG based in obtaining- Adds a burn DoT scaling on DEF% when she's hit and she'll guarantee that hit thanks to the taunt. Belabog's set bonus also grants more DEF% when stacking effect hit rate, since that's needed for taunt. This works with both Kafka and Acheron in both applying a DoT AND a debuff. Aether/Lumine would kill to have such relevance in the meta compared to Trailblazer

@MemeNabber Месяц назад

As someone who has all 3 Nihility mommies, life is good (aside from my relic farming, in which life is not good)

@karsonkammerzell6955 Месяц назад

I was going to replace Kakfa with Acheron until I saw how Kakfa's follow-up passive, signature LC, and Black Swan interact. Now I have Team Mommy, lol. Also, her Nihility squadmate buff is a completely separate damage multiplier added in after everything else. You seem to do less damage bringing any non-Nihility buffer (not counting E2) less than a giga stacked Sparkle and even then Sparkle only manages to come close; not meet or exceed it. Needless to say Acheron just kicked the bar straight into the ceiling.

@Kspice9000 Месяц назад

It's even more busted with e2 bs.

@yohkayu7381 Месяц назад

soon I could see us having a nihilty unit that either gives heal or shields per DoT, because honestly I could see it becoming a thing because Blackswan, Guinifen and to some cases Luka are apply defshred, firekiss and vulnurabilty while applying DoT

@blastor5142 Месяц назад

Right as I got a Kafka ad when I clicked on the video lol

@goodggeveryone9370 Месяц назад

In the future, they are probably gonna introduce enemies with more cleanse mechanics to shake up the meta again, but for now i will enjoy the present meta as is.... even though i lost the 50-50 to himeko😢😢

@fefe-san.878 Месяц назад

i have all three mommies and i'm having fun with all the sh>t ton of damage they can produce in SU, it's literal insanity

@empressfrozentoes5285 Месяц назад

nihility to me is like genshin's geo done right, it has suitable versatility with all other paths as well as having massive strength in numbers, which is what I assume the intention was with geo

@tarlfor1105 Месяц назад

the reason why i pulled acheron 1. meta because hoyo loves raiden expys so she definetley not fall off as fast as other units so pulling for meta is an actual nice option if not for anything else

@mayuri4184 Месяц назад

I've been a Kafka main since the day I've built her, and, in my luckiest moment yet, got Black Swan 25 pulls after getting Ruan Mei. Sadly, I lost 50/50 when pulling for Acheron, (I will get her in the rerun) and have no Huohuo (I will also get her in the rerun). My main team is Kafka-Black Swan-Ruan Mei-Lynx (will replace with Gallagher until I have Huohuo)

@emilynyan6603 Месяц назад

Nihility in HSR is also a very good representation of it, since it can take out anything, regardless of how long it takes. SU specifically really does show that in the fact that the path resonance alone could clear each world with relative ease, but the blessings also come with extra debuffs (such as increased DoT damage taken, decreased attack, healing each party member for every DoT tick on an enemy). Everything eventually fades away when facing Nihility

@ars9255 Месяц назад

As a person who always loved the Nihility path the best and invested the most into the Nihility characters I got, the current state of the game makes me happy since I used to get told that I was giving myself a harder time clearing endgame content by not building up a Hypercarry Destruction comp and going all-in on DoT Teams since Kafka released.

@bloodyopus Месяц назад

E3 Acheron is my Rome because never before in my HSR life (played it since release) that I could shred up to MoC 10 with so little effort. Averaging at 26 - 27 turns remaining, at that. Once I got my Sparkle to 10/10/10 and maxed my E1 Bronya, I suppose even MoC 12 would be history to me. You missed a footnote about the best healer for Acheron, though - Gallagher. Like our beloved Dr. Ratio, he's no Nihility, but debuff is the name of his game, and his kit's clearly made to be Acheron's buddy. It's similar with Welt except he's Nihility. There's been some discourse about Acheron vs Welt recently, but my opinion is that neither of them are better because they're made for each other (which is also HSR lore accurate if you'd finished 2.1 story). Acheron plus the two old men by her side could clear pretty much everything, especially if you add a Harmony character or another Nihility (for non-E2 havers). So I'd argue that rather than the dommy mommies meta, it's the dommy mommies and two dads' meta. Essentially: shred everything with the power of your parents; this is HSR meta now.

@Synash Месяц назад

I thinks it’s just that Nihility characters are made to work together if not being universal units anyways. Contrarily, Destruction, Hunt, and Eruditon aren’t usually made to work mutually synergistic together (Himeko/Herta and Topaz being the exceptions).

@Kspice9000 Месяц назад

That'll change soon. Robin - can 100% turn everyone with ult/does dmg everytime a fua occurs/buffs dmg a ton. Adventurine - kit available to test in main mission. Stupid good shielded. Gains shields after every 8 fua/gains random stacks on ult/skill generates even more stupid amount of stackable shields. Topaz - enough said. And ratio or clara and boothill in the near future. Gg ez

@rossalbertdelacruz6751 Месяц назад

Because Erudition, Destruction, and Hunt characters are DPS characters Nihility are sub-dps While the rest are sustain with some exceptions like Aventurine and Gallagher or the likes because they can be Sub dps And since this game is so flexible to build characters, with shitty Relic drops, you can do the heck you want to make them all dps

@FireflyStellaronHunter Месяц назад

my GNSW S3 Acheron hit 700k in gold and gears. i’m at around 60-70? ish pity for her LC so i’m hoping to win the 75/25

@Hasan-Firas Месяц назад

My second account that has all mommies and their LCs: *visible happiness* My first account that only has Hunt and FUA characters (except DHIL) and their LCs: when am I gonna get good?

@k-disboher1105 Месяц назад

it's crazy to think she will be a meta mainstay simply because of her technique's ability to trivialize basic mobs in SU; maybe it'll be less impactful after the make the QOL changes to make SU runs more efficient for orb farming, but regardless her talent is still just that good on it's own she is the single reason I actually began investing in making/using food again ever since the first couple weeks of the game; being able to use her talent on a whim is so useful that I actually use SP food now and can finally make use of my food materials

@sein442 Месяц назад

My main team currently is BS-Kafka DOT, i love to see enemies health bar just suddenly disappear lol

@jaxxcrybaby Месяц назад

Hey guys so I am pretty new to playing Star rail and I got lucky and got Acheron on 10 pity, so I was wondering if a team along the lines of this would work for Acheron. Acheron, Sparkle, Black Swan/Silver Wolf, Fu Xuan. I like all these characters so it would be nice if I could eventually run them all in a team together but pls let me know

@Kspice9000 Месяц назад

Yep but keep in mind other nihility/supports will be released. So other options may sap your pulls between now and reprints.

@mattiswan1 26 дней назад

sparkle just about makes up for the lack of acherons full passive but you may as well run black swan and sw with her and then save sparkle for your other team, maybe with qingque or any other dps you have

@Blackbeard925 Месяц назад

just wait until they drop a Nihility character whose mechanic is team-wide HP heal when DOT's activate 👀👀👀👀

@Kurumi.tokisaki. Месяц назад

This is what I was thinking as we. One of the reasons I run nihility in SU is at certain points you can drop one or both of your supports with the dot healing blessing

@Blackbeard925 Месяц назад

@@Kurumi.tokisaki. exactly! if the mechanic is in the game already - safe to say its at least possible it can be in a characters Kit

@user-rj5hz2ct6x Месяц назад

It wouldn’t even need to be team wide healing if it was healing the character with the least amount of current HP that would still be amazingly overpowered in DOT teams

@nemasisdemarini8339 Месяц назад

I mean, that kind of Gallagher, but in reverse. His main healing mechanic is debuffing enemies, so you can heal by attacking them.

@rossalbertdelacruz6751 Месяц назад

Are you trying to build an actual first hybrid? Seems to me they dont straight up 1:1 to balance that

@pumpalin8661 Месяц назад

Do people actually save their jades? Cuz I just summon whenever I have 160 I summon

@FormerEmiliaBestWifi Месяц назад

Acheron is inherently a Destruction character but became Nihility most likely due to lore reason.

@Caliban743 Месяц назад

Destruction characters sacrifice something, she doesn't

@porygon-z8270 Месяц назад

Sacrifices the energy system xD@@Caliban743

@karolinabuba575 Месяц назад

I mean...her need for energy was sacriificed technically@@Caliban743

@Danny-mp8dq Месяц назад

@Caliban743 Hook, Misha and Xueyi: Huh

@matteotheodoreyugilombardi4325 Месяц назад

@@Danny-mp8dq combat paths are different from lore paths though. Lore paths are their canon path while the gameplay path just tell u what their role is in a team lol

@devilgash2205 Месяц назад

14:46 yess 3 mommies can take a good care of us. 4 in my case since I'll be bringing either Nat or Ruan Mei

@Fyreshield Месяц назад

I was originally going to skip Acheron because I never got Kafka and I never expected Nihility to be built up this much, but I accidentally got both her and Black Swan, so now I'm faced with the prospect of actually building Guineifen and using them

@leandroseiti6282 Месяц назад

As a Xueyi main: maybe she's too gimmicky or niche (and ofc being Destruction) but since you brought out QQ, which is another quantum DPS, Acheron's all-in-one toughness break reminded me of Xueyi. She was probably not worth mentioning in this video, but for me, since I lack some other main DPS characters, Xueyi's ultimate acting as a jack of all trades breaker really helps in a lot of situations. Fun thing is I fit her in a team with Black Swan and Guinaifen for all purpose content and overworld.

@Dovahkiin3759 Месяц назад

Mint picker that just recently start playing honkai, need help to build two strong teams. The characters I have: 5 stars> Dr. Ratio, Bailu, Gepard, Sparkle, Acheron, Clara. 4 stars> Gallagher, Tingyun, Asta, Sushang, Quingque, Lynx, Hanya, Xueyi, Guinaifen, Yukeng, Sampo, Natasha, Serval. Thank you in advance.

@clashashura2977 Месяц назад

I am a new player as well and I have similar 5 star characters as you, the difference being I have Black Swan instead of Gepard. I initially made Dr.Ratio team with Black swan{BS} as debuffer then a dot team as well with BS and Guinaifen. Now I am focusing on building two teams of Acheron and Dr. Ratio, one at a time. 1st Team: Acheron Fire MC/Gepard if you have trend of the universal market lightcone else Gallagher Remaining 2 nihility characters, pela is her best 4 staar teammate currently. 2nd Team: Dr. Ratio Bailu Sparkle Debuffer{Guinaifen,Sampo, etc.} If you decide to main Clara preferably don't use Gepard with her since she wants to get hit , lynx can be good with her since she increases Clara's aggro and also has team cleanse in her ultimate.

@Dovahkiin3759 Месяц назад

@@clashashura2977 Thank you so much for all the tips. (darn, 80 pulls on Acheron banner and not a single Pela).

@aregularperson7453 Месяц назад

For one, look up guides for ratio, Acheron, xueyi, quinque and serval . Easily the best damage dealers available to you. Team 1: ratio/quingque, asta(for atk+speed buff and fire debuff)/tingyun, sparkle/sampo(if you go with ratio), lynx/natasha Team 2: Acheron, guinafen, sparkle/sampo(if you went for quingque in team 1),Gallagher Keep in mind,ratio and Acheron will fight over sampo and guinafen. You could also try: Serval, asta/tingyun, sampo(for DoT vulnerability), Gallagher/Natasha if you’re tight on resources and can’t raise multiple five stars at once. Good luck with whatever you have planned either way.

@jjthan8772 Месяц назад

Wanting an all purpose team is primarily why I went for mono quantum. Is it the strongest team? No. But it's comfy to play while being able to clear any content

@gt3d-gameartandgamedev176 Месяц назад

once they release a new 5 star quantum DPS i expect it to be a tier 1 team for a while.

@jjthan8772 Месяц назад

@@gt3d-gameartandgamedev176 Agreed. Seele is already powercrept so a stronger character will come. Just a question of when

@anwarshadaad1553 Месяц назад

So glad I use all characters mentioned in this video except jingyuan 😁

@bear-tan6011 Месяц назад

i would also consider ruan mei an honorary nihility (like huohuo being abundance/harmony or fu xuan being preservation/harmony)

@timotheus7845 Месяц назад

5:09 i think something went wrong here

@funniloneliboi Месяц назад

After I got Acheron, I decided to pull for her light cone since I still had some stellar jade left over... I got it within 20 pulls. I have literally no idea how this happened. I hope this doesn't mean I'm now cursed forever afterwards.

@will_trap Месяц назад

is acheron worth pulling for even if i don't have kafka or black swan? (i also don't have sf, rm or fu xuan.................)

@quackbrold2483 Месяц назад

Budget Acheron teammate already works nice so you never need any of those - 160 spd Pela (preferably e4) + reso lc - 160 spd Guinaifen (this is the usual Silver Wolf spot) - March7th or fire mc + trend of the universe market lc (im giving the spd amount as a milestone even if you don't reach it right now) Kafka and Black Swan can be on Acheron team but overall dmg will be lower than when they are separated It's good for clearing trash mob but expect Acheron damage to be lower than the team above The s1 is also a factor, but it's never a necessity, just use gnsw Although if you have the signature lc, use speed boots because Acheron can +2 stack on her turn While non s1 is just +1 stack, so atk boots is prefer to make up with her damage loss.

@will_trap Месяц назад

@@quackbrold2483 ahh thank you so much! I will consider pulling for her :)

@ibrahim5463 Месяц назад

Nihility is very vague in what it is,you could swap ratio to nihility and he will fell right at home,in long term charechter that are well rounded in a well rounded path will overshine niche charechter in niche paths

@Kspice9000 Месяц назад

That would've made him so damn good with acheron. Especially since half his kit generates stacks for acheron.

@termina2737 Месяц назад

I’d like to see a Nihility unit whose kit revolves around placing an amplifying debuff on a single enemy, such that all subsequent debuffs (or even damage) on said enemy gets applied to the rest of all the enemies.

@levibest2409 Месяц назад

Can anyone explain to me what black swan does I rolled for her but I’m new and I have no idea what she I see her debuff enemy so a support ?

@benardolivier6624 Месяц назад

I got Acheron yesterday. The fact that she deals as much damage as IL or Jingliu at level 60 with a Good night sleep well light cone, level 2 traces and whatever relics I had in inventory is really really frightening...

@4p0lla90 Месяц назад

Faster than Acheron's technique

@Destiny87 Месяц назад

Can't pull for Acheron light cone. Saving for Robin!

@drizzle1382 Месяц назад

Nihility has been my favorite path since DOT got more hashed out. There's just something so satisfying about the enemy losing a huge chunk of HP just by taking their turn. 😂 Especially with full suspicion stacks in Sim. Uni.

@elv6240 Месяц назад

my take: classes don't matter for dps if most of them are similar. currently only hunt can be considered differrent for obvious reasons

@lastnamefirstname8655 Месяц назад

glad to hear that qingque is still usable as a character for the current hsr endgame.

@hzrinv Месяц назад

I just beat the latest boss with Acheron, Black Swan, Kafka and Bailu lol and people were saying you need E1S1 for Acheron to work. But I guess that is for people who dont have decent DoT/debuffers

@RaffoPhantom Месяц назад

I did the unthinkable. I whaled on Acheron AND her LC. At least I won both 50/50s, I would have probably gone insane from guilttripping myself lol.

@Alice_Kavanagh Месяц назад

the points made are strong but i need to hold strong for firefly

@AngelusSenior Месяц назад

I've believed in Nihility Supremacy since Kafka's first banner

@nekonoir1313 Месяц назад

Never regret pulling for Mommy Kafka! and building my team around her. 💙💙 Just missed Ruan Mei🥹. Now planning to pull for Acheron! Good Luck on our pulls💙

@TheAnimeSounds Месяц назад

funny thing is...i dont have kafka, dont have memokeeper and didnt got acheron. So much so for the strongest path for me....

@technicalleon Месяц назад

As a Kafka/DoT main who has all Nihility characters except SW, it really is a great time for me. Playing with my favorite waifus AND they're also strong in the meta!

@dan2800 Месяц назад

I'm thinking of making a triple nihility mommy team with one daddy (welt for sustain)

@agarzaca5281 Месяц назад

I got black swan and now Acheron and dot is so comfortable to play omg. it feels like I don't have to do anything

@mr.protagonist5639 Месяц назад

Its funny adventurine is coming next banner but he's not the best for the current meta teams, or rather he isn't so big an upgrade he's necessary. Meanwhile for me personally i need more coverage for my hypercarry team so jingliu is probably better for me. But i also have to consider Robin who is either probably harmony, abundance, or Nihility

@jj6148 Месяц назад

Acheron and Raiden are both banner 1 for version 2.1 followed by a sustainer (Kokomi and Aventurine) 🤔

@nagisamomoe2033 Месяц назад

I pulled E6S2 Acheron and only lost my 1st 50/50...everything just disappears, and even though iI can just use 1 Nihility character with her, I find using 2 Nihility feels a lot more comfy because there are more debuffs to inflict (thus, more ults)

@ArgoBargo Месяц назад

I wonder if welt would work well with Acheron

@arzzie Месяц назад

14:33 mono-quantum qingque shall always let me brute force... until I spent 13 SP, no enhanced basic, then cry

@Soma-md1mf Месяц назад

the fact that i have none of those big 3 (other than acheron maybe i havent pulled for her yet)

@rikkucrowe Месяц назад

Funny thing is I looked at the path of nihility and saw nihility and harmony as the best paths in the game This comes from past experiences with rpgs where some bosses can remove there own debuffs but other bosses can remove your buffs so having both debuffs and buffs let's you attack various content