How these Pilots Crashed their Plane While Having Fun | A Thrill at 41,000 Feet 

Or IQ.

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Hahaha. Good point! 😁

NO drinking and flying.

When you think you’re Niki Lauda and you’re driving an AMC Gremlin.

I'm not a pilot or in training but I think that idea works in every profession. If you stay professional, follow your training (if the training was correct), and follow the rules, then you may pull yourself through anything. Or at the very least be labeled as doing everything you could do/it wasn't your fault.

There’s also something to be said for pushing the nose down when the stick starts shaking, without regard for any of the numbers except AGL altitude.

Good advice

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@kellie everts Disruption to engines' intake airflow due to the extreme maneuvers they were flying. Once both flamed out, the "core lock" problem (a known issue with this specific model of engine) prevented restart. It was triggered by the thermal shock of first having been run way too hot - maxed out power with insufficient air cooling due to the excessive climb rate and low airspeed - then being suddenly chilled down by frigid ~36000ft airstream. Differential expansion/contraction rates caused some rotating elements with tight clearances to bind against a sealing surface.

I wouldn’t be surprise if ATC didn’t get a write up as well , obviously they assumed pilots had a good reason But I bet atc shoudlve asked why the need to be so high up

Endeavor Air (successor to Pinnacle) now restricts flights to 37,000 feet. In training, what they did that night is shown in the simulator.

@@AEMoreira81 that makes my blood run cold! On the other hand, watching Idiots in Cars prepped me nicely for some recent distracted driver/ crossing the center line foolery.

I'm not a pilot but climbing so fast you stall the plane seems like a pretty big user error. According to the video, had climbed more slowly they could have made it to that altitude safely.

It's not that the plane isn't capable of flying at over 40,000 feet, it's that the pilots did so incorrectly(climbing too fast and letting air speed get too low).

That's a very helpful explanation! Thanks for explaining what the video SHOULD HAVE EXPLAINED!!!

Taking any piece of machine to max operating limit and trying to sustain it there is never a good thing, in most cases

Be that as it may, any pilot worth his salt should be able to recover at that altitude. Altitude can be traded for speed and vice versa.

@@heard3879 No it shouldn’t. Atmospheric variation VS performance is basic science. The principals of physics that I learnt as a kid at school + common sense, are enough to tell me that even though I’m no pro aviator, the following applies: 1) The maximum operation level exists for the safety of the people and the plane. It’s been tried and tested time and time again before the jet was approved for service. Therefore if someone has already risked their life to find out for you and you’re dumb enough to want to test it for yourself, then the world probably doesn’t have to wait long to have at least one less dumb person in it. This now increases the safety of the remaining population. 2) The higher up we go, the denser the air is due to the lack of oxygen and increase in pressure. Therefore the performance of anything that goes up high - including an aircraft - will reduce the higher it goes. 3) Reduced performance of any machine requires increased input and quality of input from the energy source. For this to remain at an effective level, it requires constant precision. 4) Gravity never stops. If you’re going to mess around with tried and tested performance boundaries, you’re going to * it up. Because unless precision and accuracy remain constant, you’ve allowed for you’ve allowed for gravity to increase its effect and therefore all the scientific calculations that are the foundation of ‘how things stay up in the air and move forward’ are now effectively redundant, because smart butt pilot decided to play around with gravity, inadvertently changing all the optimum flight requirements. I feel bad for the plane. It didn’t do anything wrong. It was lumbered with an inadequate human in the front seat. It’s fate was sealed.

​@@John_Thompson That just means you are dumb

Good thing it was on just them on the plane

@@theoriginaltroll388 better to have no pilots than to have reckless pilots, at least there were no passengers

Or be the sky king. Only he can pull stuff like that. Rip skyking

It's cheaper and you get to walk away after crashing your plane.

Why use a flight simulator? Just imagine the flight in your mind...

That's what we all said when we go

Got the Fdr and cvr data. I worked for Pinnacle at the time

@@user-io4rf4ml5e why the hell would they ignore the stall warnings multiple times? Were they really that dense?

@@Lexlugr First Officer very low time Captain came thru Gulfstream Air if I remember correctly, comparatively low time. Don't know what was going thru there heads. Was a strange time, hiring 250 hour pilots and building hours with little real world experience

im sure if it had ejection seats,it would have throw them out.

extremely glad that it’s rare

@@ecs2ecs46 Glad what is rare? If you meant accidents, I agree. If you meant having scorn or contempt for stupid pilots, I disagree, They probably did other things before this accident that should have drawn some criticism but got away with it. Pilots need to be called out on any bad behaviors or dangerous attitudes before they crash.

I think he meant neither. He's glad dumb pilots are rare.

@@di-gun5791 dumb pilots may be rare, but arrogant and egocentric ones abound

The "smoke" must have indicated that there may have been some "fire" before this incident. However, just because there are no passengers is never the reason to play around in an aircraft!

Because both pilots would have killed their jobs for needlessly wrecking a perfectly good aeroplane, instead they killed themselves.

they wanted to die

They were right. The problem is they had the wrong kind of vehicle for their correct maneuvers. Next time the company should give them an F/A-18 Super Hornet so their maneuver works...

You can have fun.....but not with the aircraft........just engage the autopilot before having fun......and make sure it remains engaged......

Flying the plane is extremely fun idk why they needed a extra thrill

Well you actualy can have fun whit aircraft but not whit a comercial plane better using cesna or some

@@noobscoopsies1100 I know of 2 pilots. One tried to impress a tourist, skimming the surface as if it was a WIGE. They never returned. Another one tried to impress a tourist girl and flew near the cone of a volcano. Wind from the side pushed the plane and made it crash against the volcano. Cessna planes do not work either. They need something like an F-14 Tomcat to play. I would not recommend an F-16 Falcon because if one wing stalls and the other does not, it enters unrecoverable spin.

They didn't even do that...

And don't crash on someone on the ground

Just a multimillion dollar plane wrecked.

There was no one on board because it wasn’t a scheduled flight, it was a REPO FLIGHT. REPO stands for repositioning, the pilots hop-on, as passengers, on the last scheduled flight directed to the destination where the aircraft to reposition is, then board the aircraft takeoff and perform a flight to reposition the aircraft to the correct destination, ready to perform the scheduled flights the next day. A lot of REPO FLIGHTS are made to move aircraft between Newark, LGA, and JFK, the length of the flight it’s around 4 minutes excluding flight plan authorization, GROUND traffic management, takeoff clearance, same for approach, landing, taxiing and finally parking the aircraft.

@@EM.1...a FOUR minute flight? So why did Traffic Control permit them to fly so high? Was there even time? (I know nothing about flying)

Maybe it would have been a good day to ask him to have a pen and some paper. I would have at least joked or asked him back about it. Unless he was joking. The mere potential induction to someone "trying drugs" so to speak should be penalized.

I am not surprised since it was the US

dang. In retrospect I bet you wish you had reported him. That is reckless behavior and is unlikely the first or last time he's done something like that.

@13rdp that's INSANE!! I just CANNOT understand pushing it to the brink like that... Especially with others lives!! Thank God you're not an ego maniac.... I'm sure your family and the families of the passengers that you potentially saved that evening (including the family of dumbass!) Are more than GREATFUL!

They weren't really goofing off - they just didn't read the checklist for climbing to 41,000 feet. And then they just seemed to get stupid. Didn't follow procedure on a restart regarding building up to 300 knots. They screwed up completely.

This is why young men should not be pilots.

@@LarryWater BS - you have pilots in their 20s flying for the military. This accident wasn't due to their age, it was due to their negligence. They didn't read the checklist for climbing to that altitude. If they had, it would have told them to maintain 300 kias instead of the 240 kias they climbed at. They also did not follow other procedures.

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Ur right lol

Yeh

Hi Kenny

@@Lee247Jamaica hey

That saying was in vogue among pilots in biblical times.

@@dukadarodear2176 I told you it was long ago! LOL!

A more modern day saying. " There are old pilots, and bold pilots. But there are hardly any old bold pilots."

@@dukadarodear2176 Moses was an Airbus A320 pilot.

@@paulfrombrooklyn5409 Moses was also the first person to download information from the cloud to a tablet. Smart guy.

Most regional pilots receive utterly abysmal pay. I'm not even joking when I say you can make more working retail. Regionals are for grinding hours and building your profile. Still sad, though.

I wrenched for a northern carrier years ago . Newb pilots would stay at the staff house and fly stupid hours keeping the right seat warm , basically minimum wage when they got all the deductions taken off .

Well you can still say that he had his entire life ahead of him

23 is too young to be in control of a aircraft it seems.

FO pay for a regional airline is barely greater than flipping burgers, and the hours are worse. Makes you think.

Same feeling of mine

40 years on the job …….and I agree with you. I have flown with some F/o who were only there to have fun

Comments like yours are why these channels are poison.

Definitely. TFC makes these well

@Oldschool DOSfan Somethings when you F up, you get no Backsies. ALWAYS be careful ... in your car ... in your place ... on your Segway ... whatever it may be. :)

CVR transcripts are available. The cpt stopped functioning when he realized that they might die.

@@johnalexander7490 Except on my motorcycle...I don't need to be careful on my motorcycle...I have my horn to chastise others with, a middle finger, and a genuine Government approved helmet.... What could go wrong?

@@bobsullivan5714 :) I still stand by what I said. Even on a motorcycle... you get no backsies. :) To your credit, it IS more fun being a little less careful on a bike :)

"I checked with the board chairman, and he said we can't put the probable cause as 'fucked around and found out.' Sorry."

They were kids. Someone should have known better.

@@babydriver8134 The pilot was 31, well past the age where incomplete brain development or something like that could be blamed for his behavior. He was an immature but fully grown man.

@@jonathankleinow2073 YEAH? Like I said, KIDS.

@@babydriver8134 ...Okay then.

Don't add shame and guilt to this tragedy then. How would you feel if you were the family of these pilots?

@@anax3672 That's the truth. Families know it!

@@anax3672 Well gotta face the insults if you raised such dumb kids. Natural selection on display

Indeed scariest

Fun fact: I used to have that sound as an alarm on my phone. 😀

Hahahaha... you won’t have any problem in waking up at all then 😜

Scariest words I have ever heard are "depart from me, I never knew you". From Jesus in Matthew 7 (7:23).

true

Wow

Well these 2 idiots first thought was to find a street or highway to land on. How many people would have been killed with that dumb move. Just 2 immature guys trying to win the Darwin Award for the year.

Jim Jones

The landing location has to be more luck than judgement, since Dumb and Dumber totally lost control of the plane some time ago!

@@glamdolly30 I second that emotion !! :)

That makes a lot of sense thank u

very nicely explained ! thank you.

but there is no blowing fan in front of the plane, the air should be stagnant No matter how the engine is tilted.

@@komradestahlin8795 Derrrrrr!!

@@daftvader4218 I Don't Speak Caveman

One of the pilots did ask the other if he wanted a beer at one point

@@visionist7 bruh

@@goozzz381 it's in the CVR transcript

@@visionist7 OMG

@MrWheeler715 🤣😂

W O W ......:(

Both engines were locked, one was melted and odds of starting them was zero. They did not even tell ATC they lost both engines until they were at like 13,000.

How do you know all of that?

@@lukailic5439 You can go read the cockpit voice recorder transcript. That's what Leonard did. He's not even a pilot as he claims. He just read the transcript.

I wish this had been included, but glad someone mentioned it. What horrible pilots.

ikr

I've seen about 100 videos like this and 99.9% of the time that's the case. If the pilot and copilot would just go back and have a drink, the plane would have fixed the situation. I think we've reached the stage where aircraft are so technical that it's time to get humans out of the cockpit and eliminate the cockpit entirely.

@@HC-cb4yp idk if you know this. But the pilots are only there now to get the plane to take off, and stop after a landing. And to handle a failure. From the moment the wheels leave the ground to right before landing, the plane is flying itself. It is actually against the rules to take control otherwise.

@@vomitkermit3446 Still too much human interference. I understand the military has been flying troop transports with no one in the cockpit for some time.

@@vomitkermit3446 I did some work on a house owned by an instructor at Boeing. He asked if I'd like to check out his work so ofcourse I said yes. At the facility in south Seattle he let me use the flight simulator which was basically a fuselage on hydraulics. After flying around the sound and buzzing the space needle I brought it in for a landing which was a little rough. He didn't mind at all. That was when he asked if I'd ever been in a plane for a rough landing as indeed I had. He told me it was because that was the pilot flying the plane. All the smooth landings were on autopilot. This was in 1997 so guaranteed the technology is far beyond that now. Cheers!

Exactly what an 81 year old retired UA pilot told me when we were doing church work together.

Ya well, military pilots are all mostly bold as hell and have nerves of steel and a lot of them grow old. So, your message must only pertain to civilian pilots....correct?

@@chrisholder4978 Let me put it this way, just after my brother got his license, (he was 2 years older) he joined the Army and traded his civil license for a Military one, and to be even considering such a move, one must be bold to fly over enemy territory, getting shot at. But, we both heard the same thing in civil ground school, but what the Army taught him, I do not know! I will add though, that while on a patrol (he flew Bird Dog, recon) a VC got a rocket off right under him, slamming through his plane, just behind his seat. Only singed the hair off the back of his neck , missing any cables or important stuff. So, "bold as hell and have nerves of steel and a lot of them grow old." yes and thankfully he is growing old! Now that I am on this subject, and we should honor our service men and women, I meet an old WW2 bomber last year at a nursing home, before this covid thing hit. He was 99 years old, and talk about (military pilots are all mostly bold as hell and have nerves of steel and a lot of them grow old) he was such a one, as he was on a crew aboard a B-24 Marauder, having done (survived) 67 missions over Germany, including D-Day. He said, (after asking a dumb question), "what was it like" he said; "It got hot", speaking of the triple A, ack ack .

Really? Nobody has ever heard that before.

@@chrisholder4978 I think it really means stupidly bold pilots but that doesn't rhyme as well.

A furry mechanic that doesn't know the difference between "must have" and "must of". Yeah, I'm going to make sure to not fly on CRJ 200s.

@@ao1778 It's not something you type all that often just something you hear. It still "Would Have" fucked that engine.

@@ao1778 lmao

@@ao1778 Keep your Desk Job as an Amateur You Tube Spell Check Clerk! The Mechanic Knows what he's Talking About, Obviously you Don't 😁

@@purebloodheretic4682 Why Do you Capitalise random Words? Edit: Also, your*

These guys must have mistakenly figured out that it means high spirits and high altitudes.

I strongly suspect that their fate was sealed long before they reached 41,000 feet. The steep climbs, followed by low airspeed would have been cooking the engines. At an inclined angle, oil flow would also have been slowed. At 41,000 feet, with reduced air, the engines struggled to maintain thrust and the temperature rose until the core bearings seized. At this point, they should have realised that they had broken their toy, since engines do not flame out for no reason, particularly both of them. Their only option was a slow and well planned glide back to earth, but thy simply had no idea what they had done to create their problems.

Excellent summary

Or better put, “Never go full retard!”.

@@wilsjane - Human arrogance.....It's a killer.

Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing, any landing that the plane can take off again afterwards is a great landing.

@@jimmyjoe8225 AMEN brother! I never complain about air travel - even the obese woman paying for one seat instead of two at the expense of half of my seat and the one on her other side. If I walk out of that plane, it's mission accomplished, no questions asked and no promises broken. I've had several 14-15 hr flights as well and when that sucker touches down, I'm happy as a kitten just that we MADE IT.

I pray and ask Holy Mary for protection of my family and I and for wisdom on the part of the pilots when we fly. It works! Never had a crash. (I rationally know that safe flying is not the result of my praying, but I keep praying just for that extra pinch of help!)

@@fiegenfiegen yes every time i fly once we both engines are started i make a quick prayer to god and to holy mary so they protect me. Always seems to work

Amen!

Besides Maverick of course. I'm joking. But yes you're 100% right. I understand it completely, even not being a pilot, being older now.

maybe it would be an idea to restrict promotion to being a captain to let’s say being at least 40 years old (on top of the required flying hours), so at least one mature adult would sit in the cockpit.

No, it was the "I am an arrogant idiot" effect. Anyone with intelligence and humility would understand that there are places and times to do things appropriately, versus "playing around" to "see what happens"!

Not to mention putting people on the ground in danger as well. What if the crashed into a building! This was all so needless. It makes me sad and so angry at the same time.

Yeah I can relate. Commercial airline crashes are SO darn impactful. (Pun unintentionally apropos) PSA Flight 182 crashed in San Diego 1 mile from our place growing up - with 140 some lives lost. Its a memory that just never leaves. At least here it looks like the pilots aimed away from homes. Tragic this happened in darkness In daylight they may have found an appropriate sized Highway.

Oh sorry I thought you would be happy, but you weren’t TOO happy right? 🙄

They still could’ve crashed and killed people on the ground though.

Alright Karen.

@james murphy they pitched down and used gravity but they were unsucessful

and to think they almost did when looking for a road or highway to land on. Nope you messed up, you bin that in a field or water

after the engines flamed out what they needed was more speed not less. the core of the engine was allowed to spool down and that core locked the engines, until internal temperatures equalized the engine could not be restarted... they ran out of time,

There's a saying many student pilots are told by their instructors: *There are old pilots and there are bold pilots. But there are no old, bold pilots.*

I am curious what was inside their heads seconds before the impact, probably thinking "If only we didn't do that" and full with regret..

Not really

Well... the thought I try to keep out of my mind when flying in an airline is this... the simple fact that our lives are in the hands of fellow human beings who have the same free will to choose whatever they wish to do... and if they wanted they could dive the plane straight into the ground or straight up... then down... at any moment. The only thing stopping then is their own belief and preference for safety.

A close second would be "Hold my beer"..

One of the first things my flight instructor said.....

@@jtoddwalsh Good instructor!

In all seriousness, it's good for the survivors that, stupidity notwithstanding, life insurance still pays out.

I can't even Immagine the pointless of your message.

@@Giovanniram22 I can't even understand what you wrote in your message 🤷🏻‍♀️

No kidding. They had probably done a number of stupid dangerous things before this, and it caught up with them this time. At least they didn't kill anyone else. That is the only blessing.

I bet their families disagreed with the findings, it's hard to accept the people you love were responsible for their own death.

Great analogy.

At least they learned something from Ickarus,by flying at night.

Nice.

More like the tale of 2 stupid guys

BEST comment of 2021!!!!!!!

my thoughts exactly

To me it seems they only acted recklessly because they didn't have passengers. I doubt they would've gone to the service ceiling or swapped seats during a regular passenger flight.

They don't even sound mature enough for Mario-Kart tbh.

@@leeriches8841 well, they were smart enough to fly a plane ✈️.. can you?

@@Trblsum96 And dumb enough to put one down, losing their lives in the process

Indeed, this crash made the Darwin Awards.

Not a funny situation but I had a good laugh at this one.

i laughed this one

Juan gerardo : Going to 41,000 ft.wasn't the problemThe problem was they weren't flying fast enough. They were at 163 knots when they should've been at 250 knots. Things would've been fine if they had been at the right airspeed.(13:10)

Air Control: Whoa, that was quick! That's also a record. I've never heard of such a "dropping descent" from that altitude! Ooppsss... sorry, I meant just dropping. Ain't no descent on my radar! Pilot ~ sounding macho and in a non-urgent demeanor: "We're cool! No need to prep for an emergency landing there..." Pls fill in the blank of what the macho captain possibly said? Final transmission: ".... _______________!"

IKR?? It's as bad as the kid in the pilot's seat...what does this lever do, daddy?

where can we hear it?

Where can we hear it?

Where can we hear it?

Hear can? where it we

2203:15RDO-1 ah we had an engine failure up there at altitude it at ah airplane ah went into a stall and one of our engine's failure

Same with me. In my young years i even thought, its a bug in flight simulator that i cant restart the engines again. But it seems to be absolutely correct. And i dont have any pilot education at all. At least they flew alone. And they got what they wanted: the fun of their lives. Just dont know, why they couldnt have that fun in a flight simulator. I did so much silly shit in flight simulator - for fun reasons ;) ... Or if they want real fun.. there are those red bull airplane-races, where the airplanes are designed to do ''fun stuff'' ... There is a place for fun - and there is a place for seriousness. I'm really glad they didnt had passengers. It was bad enough that they crashed in a urban place with a lot of homes, and thankfully no one on the ground died because of their 'need' to have fun.

Why? You've got over 10 km to recover? Why crash. I don't get it?

@@pilotactor777 The reasons were quiet good explained in the video i think.

Mistake? No

@@oneseeker2 Why it isnt a mistake in your opinion?

300 knts windmill??? WTF 41000 feet, they tried several times to turn on motors??? come on...

@@ze2004 seriously. If you want to relight engines, you gotta be willing to push the nose down. Based on the description that they were executing pitch up maneuvers, it sounds like they were maybe afraid of pointing the airplane at the ground and going fast.

Okay, except the "she" part. Material objects and applications are male.

@@standalon3308 But somehow people call ship a she.

@@FeelFree3 Not the first thing done wrong for millennia. .

They seem to give those licences to anyone: even a lot of airline-pilots behave like knuckleheads, like that impatient KLM chief pilot who took out 582 people plus himself in the 1977 Tenerife crash.

@@None-zc5vg lol. That’s not what happened. It was foggy and there was miscommunication between the tower and the pilot. It was more of a freak accident than pilot error. It was the perfect storm, literally, of circumstances at Tenerife.

@@theaveragesimmer4780 not to mention the stupid airline policy about overflight hours. But the majority of the blame remains on the captain, an extra minute of patience wouldn’t have killed anyone, his hubris did however.

@@AncestorEmpireGaming that’s hindsight. The fog, the delays, the diversions to Tenerife, the fact that Tenerife couldn’t handle the capacity of multiple 747s..... it wasn’t the captains fault. It was a perfect storm set in the ancient 1970s era of aviation.

@@theaveragesimmer4780 the accident doesn’t happen if the captain holds his,position for a minute at the most. He was in a rush to take off and didn’t double check with the ATC. The blame isn’t entirely his, but he shares a good amount of it.

A bird came outta no where I swear! Anyways they wouldn't have been able 2 so they decided it would be a lot easier to just crash the plane, have their families collect on the insurance policies, and just die in the explosion so you don't have to look for another career a week later.

I'll have you flying rubber dog shit out of HONG KONG!!!!!!!!!!!

@@kinkane5566 if you miss this much... you will be flying dog shit ouuta hongkobg

@@sanskariladkaa193 going strictly from memory.. not having seen the movie in maybe 30 plus years “You’ll be flying a cargo plane full of rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong”. As a kid I thought “what’s wrong with that?” lol.

Deh one ya priceless.

Lol, "the defense department regrets to inform you that your sons are dead because...."

🤖 You are in a simulation Johnny

It’s really not poor airmanship, they just weren’t experienced enough about the cores locking etc. Every pilot has had their own fun before.

Just curious. What makes a person Google "poor airmanship"? Is the lockdown getting to you?

@@nickv4073 learn how to take a joke. has the lockdown gotte to you?

@@johnnyfiveo Oh, it was a joke. Ummmmmmmm, okay. If you say so.

Same here. It's extremely worrying that these are 'professionals' and often with peoples lives in their hands. You'd think they have some idea.....

Doug Masters from, "Iron Eagle" takes a airline gig.....

I saw the transcript of the CVR of this flight. A real jaw dropper.

Omg i wasn’t mumbling it I was yelling it out loud wtf are u dumb bastards doing I was still saying it after I put my phone down

You should read the CVR transcript - It's WAAAY more WTF than this summarised version. They knew they were abusing the aircraft and laughing about it. Sad for their families but honestly we're all better off without them.

Which usually always begins with human error.

Well.. Nobody actually thinks of dying on the day death happens to you.. It just happens unexpectedly..(unless you commit suicide/pls don't do that anybody)..

Yeah, actually I don't understand all the hate the comments are giving. We all do mistakes every day and I can bet that everyone one of us has said "watch this" in their life or "let's have some fun". Even if they had caused their death, they are still 2 dead young men.

The last words on the Cockpit Voice Recorder were "Aw, [expletive]. We're gonna hit houses, dude." So, in their final moments they probably had remorse not for themselves but for the innocent lives they thought they were going to take.

and thank goodness they did those shenanigans without passengers

They got what they deserve.

@@Encryptando , I agree with you completely.

Do you happen to know what the music for the last 3 minutes of the video is called? It trances me out and I kind of want to just put it on repeat.

@@drpainglove3389 It reminds me a bit of Sigor Ros but I don’t think it’s them. It’s excellent though and I hope it’s revealed what it is.

@@soarornor Thanks, I'll have to check out Sigor Ros in the meantime.

@@drpainglove3389 This is the first album and my fave. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hqJ8hFgYwVg.html

Don't know if you are interested but I think i found the song that starts at 15:13 pretty sure it's called 'We' by a group called Fjodor with some extra mixing by the TheFlightChannel. Still haven't found the one before it though.

They were too busy trying to cover up the fact they were goofing off and it bit them.

Thank you for that added info. It helped fill in a few gaps.

Steve. How did T blades get so overheated - You mentioned thermal shock can you explain that more?

That was exactly what I was thinking about.. if they had immediately started to look out for an airport for an emergency landing and saving as much altitude as possible to glide to the airport instead of wasting altitude and time by trying to start the engines 4 times, then they could have a better chance! I know nothing about airplanes, but it looks like you can glide for miles after engine failure when you have enough altitude and speed, especially when you start at 40,000ft. I think they would have a good range if they saved as much altitude as possible. But I don't understand why the engines failed.. nor why they couldn't make enough speed downwards.. but someone said it was the wrong autopilot setting. But I still don't know about the engines and why they melted or smth. Was it because they were gaining altitude to fast and ended up to high where air is thinner?? I'm trying to understand..

@@IronWarrior95 Engine parts are made from different metals and metal alloys. They all have different temp limits. When the engines stalled from being so high altitude (they went ABOVE 41 at some point) and low airspeed, they immediately and abruptly started cooling down due to the extremely low temps at that altitude. Thus, some engine parts cooled more rapidly than others, which made the fan blades seize into the surrounding "casing". This is called a core lock. And yes, you are right. They climbed so rapidly, the engine temps were far beyond max limits, which guaranteed they would get a core lock when the engines stalled due to the disrupted airflow at that altitude, attitude and speed.

That’s the difference between fantasy and reality.

As a pilot that in the past flew commuters, I can tell you that you do in fact get bored at times just like any other job. It is too routine, and you literally fight sleep while flying at times. As a young new pilot I was eyes wide open and exhilarated...several hundred hours later flying the same route in the same plane it does in fact get a bit monotonous...Not in an "I hate my job" way...but simply in a "we do this every day" kind of way. Hard to explain I guess...but I understand why with no passengers on board it was tempting to do a few rare maneuvers...had they managed the auto pilot better this would have been a non event with no RU-vid critiques of that flight...

@@MikeM275 I guess that’s why they call it a “job”...

It’s actually not THAT expensive...

@@neophobicnyctophile8264 Job =/= no fun

Very true. Another thing that's so amazing about TFC videos. Every detail of the videos is spot on.

Did they seem stupid?

God that's terrible. Imagine having a mundane conversation with some people then hearing they'd died not 24 hours later. Hard to wrap your head around.

@JGSH Yes it is. Just the usual logbook check and a minute or two chat.

Life fired them before that could happen

Flights up to max altitude is not against the rules if done properly. However they did everything wrong which led to the crash. They likely would have been fine if they descended after noticing the slowing of their speed or not override the stick pusher which tried to save the plane.

@@Tech_Otter Would you test a plane maximum anything, not knowing how well maintained it is and you knowing you are not a test pilot?

But alive.. Better than a career loss...

@@Tech_Otter They actually went several thousand ABOVE MAX ALLOWED which this video did not disclose.

here’s another good flight channel, typically he provides fact based commentary ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DCMmCekKO_c.html

@@ecs2ecs46 Mentour pilot is very good. thanks for showing me :)

Why would you want this content interrupted by a bunch of erectile dysfunction commercials on cable tv

@@d_all_in I mean on netflix or something. i think avgeeks would like a show about aviation on netflix for once

@@thedatboi_ it already is a show and you're watching it.

Lol

The real truth is, is that that aircraft was not designed nor intended to cruise at that elevation with those engines. The air's density and flow posed a grave challenge that they should have known. Ya darn right, the AP messed with them big time... perhaps if they had others on board, they wouldn't have tried those maneuvers or went on their "joy ride". I hope no one on ground was injured or suffered property loss.

@@dmnds979 Great analysis ! Are you a pilot or just an 'armchair Aviator' junkie like me ?

dmnds979 is definitely a pilot. He’s made the most sensible comment I’ve read so far. Also, planes go above FL410 all the time. FL410 is not this mysterious, inherently dangerous altitude for all aircraft.

@@goodenough4399 He he you can always tell a Pro !

well, you can scrach the hours to zero at that altitude becouse it was first time for both of them.

Nah, what probably occurs to some pilots is the more hours they get, the more confident they get. Resulting in over confidence. Where if they have say 15,000 hours, they might feel like they are too good to screw up.

@@Rokaize correct. One of the basic core principals of CRM and why it’s so important to stay humble and avoid that mindset.

None of them were in this complacency area in which too much experience can go against you. They were simply stupid kids..

@@Rokaize correct. That's basically the point I was making.

I think the true lesson is to not become complacent. Follow regulations even if they don't seem necessary in a given situation.

Well, sad to say, it is usually not STUPIDITY, but simply humans being humans and doing human things.

"quoting albert einstein in an attempt to appear less stupid never usually works" my local barber

​@@chrisholder4978 To be stupid is not human, it is postero-human.

By the way, the universe is finite. It must in order to be spherical. Just an aside.

Wise words

My God, they're lucky to be alive

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I am glad no one was injured.

I was looking at a map of the airport and the nearby crash site. I'm guessing they didn't see the river at night because neither pilot mentions it in the cvr transcript. They might have had a better chance of survival if they ditched it there. You know the area a lot better than me. Whaddaya think?

Wow that's so lucky it missed all the houses

This is sickeningly disrespectful.

@@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co How so?

And to have a little fun but to over do it with someone else's property was reckless.

I wish they were mature enough to understand how precious are the lives of everyone who was under them, while they were being so dangerously reckless with the unprofessional and selfish intent of “enjoying their alone time with the aircraft”. What a way to waste a perfectly functioning aircraft.

Regarding their behaviour i would say the life of those two morons wasn't precious at all...

Stating the perfectly obvious. But you're not alone; 99% of these comments are doing the same.

@@generalyellor8188 Glad to have given you a yawn to brighten the malaise.

“Nothing parties like a rental”

Do you know who owns a lot of these aircraft, when you get to the bottom of the corporate pile? Teachers’ pension plans. One major investor in US real estate and aircraft is the Ontario, Canada teachers’ pension plan.

They also got rules and regulations for a reason. You don't try to test the limits of a commercial airliner if you don't own or made the plane, nor have permission to experiment, and you don't do it with a newbie on the other seat. Those planes can already have issues when flown as directed, and they are so finicky in what speeds and loads and configurations are necessary to take off and land properly, the last thing you wanna do is play around with them.

Your van is deadlier than any airplane. Planes are the safest way to travel.

😂😂

May I ask what's the difference? I don't understand and is very curious

@@seuthee5082 The aircraft had 2 engines and both had failed. The crew didn't state that fact to the air traffic controllers. By saying they'd 'lost an engine', it implied that they still had one good engine. Because of this, ATC didn't know just how dire the situation really was.

@@DownUnderFlyer Okay I get it now, poor communication was a factor to this accident as well. Thank you

@@seuthee5082 As I read comments, it could be a situation of "I did something wrong and I dont want to admit it", just thinking about the consequences to their lifes if they landed safely was a factor to the accident

The world is full of such morons, i fear

Wishful thinking. Of course there are.

@@captainbeavis Plenty of those !

Sadly, the experience level in the cockpits of many commuter airlines is extremely low! I am a retired airline pilot! I was with my original airline 13 years before I had the seniority to check out as Captain! At some airlines at the time it could be over 20 years! At that time the average combined experience of Captains and First Officers was in excess of 20 years. By the time I retired it was less than 10! And that was for the majors, NOT commuters!

Two many arseholes more like! 😂😂Thank God they were on their own and no one on the ground died! These two were worthy nominees for the Darwin Award!