Hyundai Kona winter range and noise 

I found this info on the Speak EV site: - Kona does not actively heat the battery in temperatures at least down to -4 C outside air / -2 C battery when it is just parked or driving. Even with Winter Mode "on". - Fast charging the battery in the same conditions with Winter Mode "off" does not activate active heating. - Fast charging at these temps with Winter Mode "on" immediately turns on battery heater. - Fast charging is limited to 25 kW until the battery minimum temperature reaches +5 C. - It takes 21 minutes to get battery minimum temperature from -2 C to +5 C in these conditions. - Kona battery is not very well thermally insulated. Battery temperature reached 23-24 C after the charge and after 14 hours of standing in -4 C battery modules temperatures were in the range of 0..4 C. This info matches my experience with the Kona so far. I have 2000 km of winter driving between Vancouver, Whistler, and central BC. Temperature has ranged from plus 5 to -15. If the car is warm, I always see 43kWh below 74%. If the car is cold, I see 23kWh, and then it jumps to 43kWh. So far I'm averaging 18kWh / 100 km, with roof rack and and ski box.

This sort of video is immensely useful. Thank you! I'll be driving that exact model of Kona soon, in the UK. Our winters here in the South usually only get as cold as maybe 0 C, although recently it has gone down to -5 C. Given that my longest journey is likely to be 170 miles (270km), I am not too worried.

Great range although freaking cold. My B250E would only do 100km. Great Video Björn.

It was so nice to get such a lot of information in one short video, thanks Bjørn! How much range do you lose in a Tesla at cold temperatures like that?

Thanks for taking the time to do this. Thinking of buying one over in Canada where it's frequently been about -10 to -15C all winter. I am curious though, how much energy would be used if you had your heated seat and steering wheel on low, or medium (whatever is comfortable), with HVAC set to 15, instead. Just curious what the draw would be compared to just HVAC at a higher temp.

Any videos on the traction performance driving in 20cm deep snow?

Compared to my 2017 Bolt the Kona's winter range is outstanding. At those speeds and temps the Bolt s range is in the 130-140 Mile range. The heating system is terrible using upto 7,500 watts on the Bolt. I ended up removing the cabin air filter and inserting a 1000 watt PTC heater in it's place . Works great down to about 15 degrees F and I increase range by 40+ miles

Man, my Kona won't even go outside when it's that cold.

I didn't know Krell made car audio systems too. They are mostly known for their very expensive high end home audio equipment.

Freezing my balls here in Canada -30 Celsius.

Hey TeslaBjorn Have you tested summer tires? What kind o summer tires do you suggest for I-pace? I’m picking up one in April/May and probably I can ask for tires I would like to have. I mean the least noisy.

Is there a table (Google Sheets, perhaps?) where we can refer to the past results and compare other EVs you have tested?

Dear Björn. Thank you for your clip. a great pity. But the battery has a cooling and so it could be heated. Glycol flows through the battery and there is a reservoir in the engine compartment. So you could build an immersion heater in the tank and heat up the battery when needed. Since Hyundai has to improve again.

So it seems that Hyundai gives the net battery capacity, while Audi gives the gross capacity in their official data sheets? Of course the Kona still is more efficient than the e-tron. But to be fair, we cannot say "Kona has 64 kWh and the same range as the Audi with 95kWh". Instead it should be "Kona has 64kWh and the same range es the Audi with 84 kWh"

Can you test the noise level and consumption test in a Tesla model s pre-, and post facelift?

The charging power reduction when it's so cold is what I am seeing on my I Pace. I drove 185 kms from Valdres to a fast charger in Bærum, temp. was approx -10c all the way. Charge rate after 8 mins was 28.5kW (SOC 44%) and after 16 mins 41kW (SOC 47%) Estimate was 3.5hrs to charge to 100%. However, when I repeated the charge test a few days later at -7c with the car not driven hard and pre-conditioned for only 1.5 hours, the charge rate after 16 mins was only 31kW and time to charge to 100% SOC was 3hrs 7 minutes. It seems to me that the I-Pace and the Kona even though they have heated battery packs have issues maintaining an optimal battery temperature when the temperature is < -5 . When this cold, as your video shows the charging power for the Kona is being throttled. That being said, even though so cold (-15 when I left) consumption for 185km was 22.7kW/100km. Height difference from start to finish 980m and dry road conditions. So 325km would have been max driving range that day. Issue is that if you have a long trip and need to charge from say 20% to 80% its going to take probably 2.5 hours which is totally unacceptable when this cold. I don't think a 100kW charger (if available would help) unless the battery would heat up faster, which I don't think would be the case. So a long tip in Norway with the temperature under -5c is a challenge. So much for testing the I Pace in northern Sweden. Should have tested driving from Oslo to Bergen and return at this time of the year and told us how long they spent charging.

2:06 ... Now let's start the fundraising. Which platform to use? Kickstarter?

Could someone tell me what the charges cost after e.g. 10.000km and how much kWh you were accounted for?

Anyone have any experience or recommendations for winter tire/rim combos? I'm thinking of getting 16" rims or steel wheels (specs: 16X6.5 5-114.3 67.1CB I think?)with a set of tires measuring 215/60R16 (0.59% faster) or 205/65R16 (0.69% slower) tires. The Michelin - X-Ice Xi3 seemed reasonable here at Costco.

I think they should do something with the charging price, a combination of minutes and kw. Or just pay for the kwh.

Hi, have you received OP?

ill do highspeed test in germany in a week when i finally get the kona!

We have - 35 C today state Minnesota

Hi Björn, do you think that this test could be similar to the E-Niro?

Please do I’d love to see that video where it’s a 0 degrees

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Knowing how drivers in Canada are, the Kona does not go out in winter weather. We have a ICE beater with snow tires for that demolition derby.

That's pretty good range loss for that temperature versus the rated range of 415 km (?) or 258 miles. I come out with only 23%. Relative to your summer test, however, it's 35%, but that's still good considering how much faster you drove in the cold weather test.

Only 10% loss on heating (90 km/h, 2 kW heating for 3:19 hrs) at -10 to -17 C is not too bad. The loss of performance of the battery however is significant.

Did you have any trouble driving it in the snow? I'm afraid of the lack of double motors / no all-wheel drive.

This should be labeled as extreme conditions range test. Thanks for valuable info. Good stuff!

I wonder which is harder on range weather wise extreme cold or extreme heat

I wonder if that’s a pre production model? As very old car maybe it doesn’t have the newer heat pump? However -12c is very cold

This doesnt surprise me at all. My model 3 in Ontario, Canada is averaging a 35% range loss. Temps have been very similar to this video.

I seems the battery box needs better thermal insulation. I gather the figure of 89% is the battery charge/discharge efficiency? Is there a source for that data? I've measured 89% including on-board charger efficiency but that's over mid range SoCs in ideal thermal conditions, not the full span.

Are WLTP number on pair with real world driving?

Maybe "Coldgate" is caused by the fact that the battery protrudes out of the car underfloor (Kia e-Niro is the same). The windchill at minus temperatures hence impacts the battery more directly. Possibly the battery heating is also too weak under these conditions despite "Winter mode".

Kona at 120kph is MUTCH MORE efficient than the E-tron at 90kph What a shame Audi

It's almost Christmas and our 2021 Kona EV is into its first winter. Not too cold yet; about the lowest temp so far has been just a few degrees below freezing. Haven't had a chance to do a real winter highway trip yet (Covid restrictions don't help) but at temps hovering around the 0 C level, I'd extrapolate range to be a little under 400 km. Efficiency appears to have dropped about 15% -- around the same as fossil-fuel powered cars experience in similar conditions. One power saving trick I've learned is to set the climate control as low as it will go, which is +17.5 C. In winter we're all wearing heavier clothing anyway, and I've found 17.5 C to be a comfortable enough cabin temperature. Last summer, when high temps were the problem (up to +38 C) I went the opposite way and set the A/C climate control to +23 C. In light clothing that's an acceptable temperature and doesn't cause an unnecessary drain on the battery. Another big power-saver of course is to keep one's speed moderate -- no more than 100 kmh -- and take advantage of regeneration wherever you can. I use the Bluelink App which gives me a lot of info about the car, including power usage and regeneration. In the past month I discovered, to my astonishment, that 30% of the power my EV consumed, was regenerated. Mind, that was nearly all town driving where regeneration is a lot more active. But still, pretty impressive, I thought...

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Noise Test? On which tires? I switched from the original Nexen to Kleber Winter tires. What a silence! Someone interested in 215/55R17 Nexen Woodlogs?

If you look under the Kona EV you see that the battery is kind of clamped onto the car under the floor. So, I suspect that maybe the thermal insulation is limited which might account for the "coldgate" situation. In cold weather the battery is a lot cooler.

35% range drop in winter, on -15C? Not bad at all. Climate control use more than 6 kwh in this test, so in the slightly better winter condition, about zero, range should be 360 km

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I was wondering what that app you were using on your phone?

Can you do these tests on upcoming hydrogen cars as well?

like a ninja! 3:40 ...

Looking to make the Kona EV my next car and boy am I glad that I live in Southern California. The coldest it's been is during the day in the last few weeks has been around 50f/10c.

Not that cold, pretty typical temp for Canada.

Did you turn on winter battery mode? It heats the battery up, its in the battery settings. Should have turned it on before going to the charger.

Very disappointed with the charge rate. Why the 2kw battery heater isn’t warming the battery doesn’t make sense it’s as bad as rapid gate.

Did you see a value on "battery care" ? Or was this always 0 I think it not heats the accu, this is a bug on Kona. No heater build in the fluid TMS, or software bug.

So for the winter mode, there's room to think that it has active heating. But I suspect that eco will disable it. Throw some light on it Bjorn.

-14! I'm glad I don't live in Norway. Your country is beautiful and I have visited it (in summer). But I hate cold weather.

So. I haven’t bought my first EV yet, I am intensely researching, ready to pull the trigger, but can’t quite afford a model 3. (hence, I am here watching video after video, finding amongst others these Bjørn Nyland videos, judging from the videos he lives a few hundred meters down the street, the world is so small) But I feel there is something I must have missed! Can someone please explain to me how on earth a Kona can be so much more expensive than an Ioniq? Barely used Ioniqs can be had for about NOK 250,000 while you will have to cash out NOK 400,000 for a Kona. The Ioniq is bigger, better looking, a purpose build EV, much more Cargo space, but has half the range of the Kona. Yet the Kona- range is not nearly enough for typical «non-stop» cross country Bergen-Trondheim-Oslo-Stavanger-axis driving anyway, so the whole issue is a couple of extra 30 mins stops once or twice a year for most people. So how on earth can that make a SMALLER car from the same manufacturer at the exact same trim level be seen as a step up for so many at 150% the price? Someone explain this to me! From everything I have seen the Ioniq seems like such a winner in the sub-tesla daily use family car category. Am I wrong?

Doesnt the active heating work properly or even worser: Is there none?

What should I buy? Kona or Niro?

Only the front axle weighs almost as much as an entire VW e-up!

Driving 140 in the 110 zone is way more expensive than €300 in speeding ticket I think 😁

Kona VS E-tron 1000km 👍🏻👍🏻

Haa-raaaawrrrr...Tuesday?

this seems to be more serious than rapid gate...especially in colder country.

Hi Bjørn, I think that the Kona you are testing is a Pre-model. According to this article the Kona should have heating for the battery pack. But then again I might be wrong😉 electricrevs.com/2018/12/20/exclusive-details-on-hyundais-new-battery-thermal-management-design/

KIA/Hyundai should make an effort to market Niro/Kona in tropical countries like Malaysia. In Kuala Lumpur, the "coldest" morning you might come across here is around 25°C. At noon it could be around 34°C. There should not be any coldgate problem.

Same as E-Tron!

It has 67 kWh but only 64 usable kWh

They would be a good choice but in 2023 the dealers are marking them up insanely... up to 30% additional markup so I just walk away will wait until there are better options to buy electric here in the USA.

Kia/Hyundai must fix this Coldgate asap

There's no escaping the fact that conventional lithium-ion batteries with a liquid electrolyte suffer big capacity losses in freezing temperatures. It's one of the biggest drawbacks of current BEVs. The problem probably won't be solved completely until we have solid-state batteries.

Hey Teslabjorn..you are in danger of becomming non-tesla bjorn...

Lucky your not having to test it in the Midwest of America, As they said on the News that a north pole polar vortex has drifted down through Canada to the Midwest and the Cold now there is between -50 C and -70 C .. Yikes that would most likely kill the battery unless it was in a heated garage maybe? I guessing EV drivers over in the cold states of America will be pleased for the good traction and torque the EV's have But not about the super cold weather there which makes what you just driven in look like lovely mild weather :)

The Kona quite efficient, but then again the e-tron is a full-sized luxury SUV. That's kind of gloating how the Kona 1.6T gets better fuel economy than a Q8 3.0T. Kind of a silly comparison.

Turn OFF wintermode and you will have full power charging

Wow, did not beat the E-Tron...

I hope they don't clean that car with Colgate.

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Why not comparing a Kona EV vs a Kona ICE under the same circumstances. That would give a nice outcome. I bet your fuel cost would be about the same and the co2 emission too.

Why don’t you get new job electric fix guy hhh

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I wish I had an electric car but they wont work in third world countries