1) it seems to me that DLSS + Dynamic resolution + high settings rather than ultra + nvidia reflex + FRAME GEN would provide more consistent FPS needed for BFI , did i understand that right ?? 2) WHAT IS MOTION INTERPOLATION ?? can 60 FPS =120 FPS with motion interpolation > meaning can i downscale from 4k to 1080p or 2k then interpolate 60 FPS to 120 HZ and then turn on BFI thus removing CPU DEMAND or get consistent FPS for BFI AT 60 FPS but then it is interpolated to 120 HZ ?? will this function just as good as 120 HZ BFI or there would be major input lag problems ??
I like the new ROG PG32UCDM. Cause it's flat 32 and 16:9. But kinda expensive. I would be totally content with a va panel but youtube gatekeepers scare me away from getting one. currently having a samsung 32 inch ips that I really like, but I just want the colors to pop more like on a crt or oled.
@@yazi2879VA nothing to worry about, not like you sit on the side of the monitor, more than likely better than most ips, ips great for work though same as oled. Oled monitors now is best on market though I find a few Samsung miniled the few without fault to be equally great almost. But anyways, VA panels are mostly very good as monitors.
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 There's a couple of ex-Pioneer technicians in the UK who sell refurbished Kuros. They even have a small showroom in London. Their business is called "Kuro King". I'm seriously thinking of buying one.
I also hate matte screen coatings. It wouldn't be so bad if glossy monitors were common and easy to get, but they're more or less extinct. If you want a glossy screen you either have to buy an Apple monitor, buy an obscure import brand, or get a TV. This is why I've used TV as monitor for nearly 15 years now. I have the TV on a stand behind my desk, so I can use it comfortably just as a normal monitor. In an old NEC Spectraview manual the recommended screen distance is one screen width. So if the monitor is 50cm wide, it should be 50cm from your face. My TV is 1.6 meters wide, so I sit 1.6 meters away from it. Some people prefer three screen heights distance, which is a bit further away than one screen width. For me one screen width distance feels good, so that's what I use. You're right about monitor's lack of config options being a big problem. Especially with wide gamut screens like HDR displays. To render both SDR and HDR properly you need a screen that can adapt to the input signal properly and reliably. TVs are good at this, whereas monitors often force you to switch modes manually, if they even give you the option at all. I'm sure an OLED monitor in the right circumstances can look amazing. But the price is too high for something that I'm sure will have at best a mediocre software experience compared to any TV.
Yeah and there are some people that prefer a TV in the lounge for PC gaming. I just love sitting on the couch and jamming. I can still use keyboard and mouse. Different strokes I guess
About BFI at 60hz on console, I think motion interpolation is a great option as it increases brightness by outputting 120fps, and the flickering becomes imperceptible.
Good to see you again, bro. I bought a MSI MPG 321URX & it’s incredible. I use for productivity & competitive gaming then I have a S90D coming in soon for immersive single player. Sold my beloved 48in C1 to pay for the s90d, but got the s90d on an unreal deal (>1/2 off). I run a 4090, so more than enough frames. Will eventually go to 5090 (RIP wallet). As far as 480hz, wait for the QD-OLED version coming next year. Still holding onto my 55 & 77 C1s. 💪
The trouble with monitors is that they have more simplistic processors that fail to get a proper HDR handshake in Windows. The end result is that display tonemapping stops working. Even LG's OLEDs tonemap when HGiG is enabled, but only during times of ABL. These monitors have no such fallback, meaning when ABL hits, and it WILL, you're left with blown out highlights. I experience this even with my low ABL Mini-LED monitor, and I've talked to QD-OLED Ultrawide owners that have the same issue. Until Windows gets its metadata situation fixed, only get monitors with absurdly low ABL curves. There are workarounds to the tonemapping problem, but opening an admin app or web browser, hovering over a taskbar window, or changing into fullscreen will break these workarounds and force you to re-fix it EVERY TIME. When it comes to screen size, I like a 60 degree FoV on my display. Find your optimal sitting distance and figure out if a bigger display fits your FoV and space requirements. I'd buy a 32 inch over a 110 inch if I can't sit exactly 7 feet away from the 110 inch.
Use SpecialK Even if you want to use the game's Native HDR; just injecting SK will strip out all metadata signalling -- so it will be pure hgig We had a update made for a user with a lg monitor because he had something going on with metadata + dtm off behavior in some games even when hgig was on
@@maratxtv7166 That doesn't sound like a solution to my ABL problem... Tonemapping is the solution, why would I want to turn it off? My choices are, set games at worst case brightness of 1000 nits and lose the extra 565 nits I paid for, or tonemap with real-time ABL compensation. My problem is Windows failing to give my monitor the signal it needs to look its best.
@@maratxtv7166 Okay so I have multiple things I gotta say to this. Firstly, the HGiG mode on displays like an LG C1 is specifically designed to perform tonemapping ONLY when the panel falls below peak brightness conditions. For example when a game is set to 800 nits but the panel can only manage 400 nits, despite having HGiG enabled, the panel will tonemap to 400 nits instead of blowing out details. This is a GOOD thing. Secondly, my display doesn't have an HGiG mode like this, nor does it have any accessible tonemapping options (thanks Asus). I'm stuck with an input tonemapping luminance of 3500 nits and a physical peak/sustained 10% of 1565 nits, 100% peak of 1565 nits, and 100% sustained of ~1000 nits. If I set a game to 1565 and ABL kicks in, without tonemapping, I'm screwed. Why would I want to strip away the metadata that I am SPECIFICALLY, FORCEFULLY, sending to my display? All this would do is blow out my highlights in ABL conditions. Maybe I'm misreading your reply but I'm lost.
I got a 27 inch oled monitor from LG. I also have a LG C1. My C1 is definitely better. Higher peak brightness and I prefer the colors. I can't change the color tuning on my monitor. It's definitely not as good, but it's still an amazing improvement over a TN or IPS monitor for me. I mainly just use it for competitive games since it's 240hz, but my C1 is still my primary single player display
I got the LG 27GR95QE, so if you figure out how to remove and replace the coating on your display, please let us know lol. I also might want to replace the matte finish one day, if I do I'll try to make a video on it aswell.
they need to sponsor you for the new 1440p 360hz monitors from MSI and i think the other one is alienware. Those two look very promising and also got glossy coating and im very intrigued to buy one of them because my LG C2 42" as much as i love it for FPS games its just not gamer friends its to big and those two monitors are 27" which means really the sweet spot for FPS games at least. Long story short i think those two monitors currently are the only ones "worth" considering to get if someone is on C1 or C2
Hi Ariel. In recent LG C2 update i asked and read in forums about changes. People tell that TPC and GSR is fixed now and there is no need to access service menu, with that said i wanted to ask you about screen move. Should i switch it off, is it safe. Most of the time i game.
Hi Ariel, what is your recommendation. To use standard mode de blur 10 dtm off and maxing out hdr slider in games OR game optimiser preset allm on , and vrr when supported because in games that doesn’t support it , they have black level raise some times. Wanted to know your recommendation as always.😁
If you love Pioneer you must know about Panasonic oled tv's. I used to have the HZ2000 that had AV component input! Retro games connected via component looked very good with Integer scaling. Unfortunately the new models ditched the AV component input. Have you seen the MZ2000 that has MLA technologie vs QD oled?
I love your channel. And thanks so much! However, I have a CX and I get confused when you say the color is bad on these. I believe they test out to have accurate color. And certainly look beautifully colorful to me. Do you specifically mean the color saturation of specular highlights?
It is true about color volume. Wbe panels had improved a bit on this I noticed its better on the c2 then cx. Also the way the processing does colors and tone mapping have something to do with it also.its still an issue but less pronounced especially the red is nicer
100% agree. The best lad. Waiting for Philips 42" 809 to drop soon (it's the 2024 product line). It's MLA 1300+ nits with 144Hz and VRR. I'd take that instead of any oled or qd-oled monitor. I am just not sure it will have BFI features.
I agree with basically all your points. The largest issue with QD-OLED IMO is the terrible coating that raises blacks and contrast in most lighting conditions while perfect blacks and high contrast is the main reason for the purchase in the first place lol
Could you make a video about the input lag boost setting on LG TVs? I read its only causing gamma Problems at 60 hz so that should be must have feature for PC gamers imo
Maybe down the line I can try again with a newer GPU/Windows 11, but I was not a fan of the ultrawide/custom resolution/HDR on the (42") LG C3 and wanted to get the 34" AW OLED
I've tried ultrawide resolutions with mine, but it feels odd to sacrifice so much screen and loose vertical resolution. The performance is way better, though
salam, have u enable freesync premium, amd oled and try disable gsync on 3060, currently trying 120hz fixed max sdr 10bit, color auto, disable vrr, less input boost, trying to max / optimal monitor performance
Qd oled 4K 144 hz + a 4090 in my man cave = heaven. Also have a CX (for racing games) which I adore and an lg 27gr95qe which I also love. The matte finish isn’t an issue imho and 1440p 240 hz is very achievable in many games. Had to get the service remote to improve the brightness though. Anyway, lots of great displays out there and though none of them are perfect, it’s hard to go wrong with any of them (led is another story but there are good ones out there too).
to avoid some dead pixels i had to reduce the size area of my oled tv ( just 4mm on every edge actually,) so i have slighly bigger edges ( black area) does this affect to picture quality? now my resoluicion is 3802x2140 or similar very close but not UHD , I still see it in 4K and it looks good, but just wanted your opinion
You've changed the integer scaling. Old 240p console or game on and 480 tv. 240x2=480. It can fit evenly. Thus, the pictures will be scaled correctly, and you get all the details. If you try and fit the native resolution under or over, you will have image problems. You are going under.
im using a new resolution 3802x2138 thus, my desktop now is smaller compared with my full TV screen ( just by a few milimiters) and the games use that 3802x2138 resolution, so in the nvidia control panel, theres no scaling active, just says "no scaling" @@paul2609
not sure if I follow you, i did this: im using a new resolution 3802x2138 thus, my desktop now is smaller compared with my full TV screen ( just by a few milimiters) and the games use that 3802x2138 resolution, so in the nvidia control panel, theres no scaling active, just says "no scaling" i just have a smaller area to display content , but just by a few pixels, ive tried cyberpunk 4K and i don't see any diference when comparing with the full UHD 3840x2160p- my game sreen now is smaller, but theres no scaling , my screen is not trying to fit the image to the screen, just a smaller frame ( less effective pixeles actually) so is it a good workarround then? i do this bc the edge pixels on my screen are dead just 1 -2 vertical lines , this way i get a clean picture, but smaller and i was wondering if I was getting a worse image or not @@mexdrago3009
Do you think the upcoming RTX5000(Or whatever it's going to be called) which is supposed to be released by the end of this year or some time next year, will be able to handle Native 4K @144fps without any frame rate dips for titles that are in the same graphical ball park as lets say Resident Evil 4 Remake? I'm currently playing it on PS5 in performance mode, with just under 4K at a locked 60fps in HDR, with RT & that funky hair strand effect turned off(It actually reduces the frame rate further) and it looks beautiful. Probably the greatest looking game I've ever laid eyes on. Although, I've been hearing that the PC version just looks inherently sharper, runs at native 4K with at least 100fps, with RT & that Hair strand setting also turned off, with an RTX4090 of course.
As long as the game isn't CPU bound, GPU performance should definitely allow that. However, RT and other new stuff tank the CPU and that's where I see the limitation
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 RayTracing supposedly looks worse than without it with RE4 Remake. It all depends on the game, just like how HDR is implementedI guess, but the latter doesn't have an impact on performance. And is it true that an RTX4090 is around 10x more powerful than a PS5? And much more powerful will the RTX5000/5090 be?
I have a LG C3 42in on my desk and I personally could never go back to a tiny monitor. The worst part is my display is way cheaper than the new monitors coming out. And I get what you mean with the QD panels having weird colours under lighting. That's just unacceptable when viewing in a bright room. I also work from home so use it mostly in a room with natural light so it would be annoying.
If the C5 comes with 165hz, MLA, over 1000 nits peak brightness, BFI at 120hz, it will be a worthy upgrade from my C1. Something I refuse to do is buy an OLED display from a gaming vendor that just takes a great panel and builds a bunch of bad quality tech slop around it and sells it at a massive upcharge for a panel they didn't even make. Look at all the flickering, dead pixel, and g-sync issues the AW3225QF is having. I have owned Alienware displays in the past, the quality control and post-purchase support was terrible. I want to buy the entire display from LG or Samsung -- preferably LG.
I feel like since the C series is mainly still a TV (other than people like us using 42's etc as monitors) it will keep 120hz cause that is currently the high refresh standard for home consoles in lighter games and "performance mode" for heavy games. Also I agree about the build quality, I know you don't touch the monitor but it is important. I want my TV to be built like a brick, no flex no shitty brittle bendy plastics, good stand, etc.
I believe it was said the raised blacks/purple tint issue on qd oleds was not visible on the s90d/s95d when someone saw it in person. Additionally, the s90d will apparently be glossy unlike the s95d which is good news. I don't even use monitors tbh, I only use TV's for pc use. It's nice to have all in one display that can do everything.
I have both C1 and aw3423dwf QD-OLED depending on the game I use one or the other. Each are better in their own way some games are just better on the big screen imo. One thing I think TV's suffer from is low PPI at 4K. I think 32" 4K is ideal. Although sitting back it's not so bad. But my Alienware I don't have to do any calibrating really, looks good out of the box and the glossy screen is nice too.
Problem is that most of the ppl dont even think about it, they live in a "desktop use so monitor" world and dont use their brain at all. Im very happy with my 55" C2 as a desktop monitor, would never go back to tiny screens without remotes.
as long someone doesnt mind the size, TV is definitely a lot better choice! have you considered that ASUS OLED display that can do 120 hz BFI from 240?
65" is the sweet spot. Couldn't imagine even dropping back down to 55" at this point in the game. 77"(S90D) + 144fps would be great, but i keep thinking that 4K will wind up looking a bit softer with the 12" screen increase. Maybe I'm wrong, but wouldn't 8K be more appropriate for 77" - 85" displays?
I was watching the video thinking "but refresh rates....." then at 4:00 minutes in you brought that up. I thought about getting a TV but I love my Alienware 27" QD-OLED. Its ruined all other monitors for me. I am still trying to figure out the best HDR settings. RTX HDR is super impressive based on how simple it is.
I removed matte finish on my old samsung ips monitor. You just damp tissues with water and spread them across the panel. After one hour it will peel off easily. But be aware that the raw panel beneath will scratch extremely easily.
I play competitive Counter-Strike and Overwatch while also playing single-player games and movies, people who play first person shooters with mouse & keyboard prefer smaller screens to fit everything within peripheral vision (you don't have to turn your head and eyes to look at each corner of the screen), TV is not going to work, can't fit a TV on a desk while also maintaining peripheral vision (24" is considered the best size for shooters, 27" is still okay, 32" is the absolute limit). If I want a display for both competitive gaming and experience the best of story/casual games and movies then I take OLED monitors over TV anyday. There is a reason why 27/32" 16:9 OLED monitors with high refresh rate are in great demand and selling like hotcakes right now. I currently use a 32" Neo G8, a 1196 zones miniLED monitor. At 32" I can just tolerant this size for competitive gaming, any bigger than this is a no-no. Looking forward for my PG32UCDM that I have preordered.
I haven't seen it in person, what I'd recommend you is to figure out if the monitor changes the tone mapping depending on the content Maxcll, I know some monitor do (no TV does so far)
One other benefit for the tv is that streaming services dont always offer the top quality options through windows. So turning on Disney+ for example through the smart tv app is the way to go.
TV apps like RU-vid also correctly tone map HDR depending on the content Maxcll, that might not happen in windows. It definitely doesn't happen with LG TVs
TV is 55 S90c for £800 PC monitor is Coolermaster Gp27q mini led 1440p/165hz for £280 ebay. Good affordable combo especially if you factor in sales of old TV and monitor
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 I'm holding out for the 65" S90D in mid 2024, if it does in fact solve the entire raised black issue. Less latency for it's game mode's motion interpolation setting(Currently 20ms) would be nice too, but i highly doubt there's going to be any improvement.
The ultrawide oled monitors you're going to have uneven wear burn in because of the 16:9 box for most content on youtube, anime etc. Only way to prevent that is to crop it with UltraWidify, but then again I don't want to crop anime because it should be viewed like that.
Unfortunately lighting isn't always super easy to control, and reflections are very distracting to me. When I am in a pure black scene, I just see my face, and it really takes me out of the experience. Not a problem with TVs because you're far away but with monitors? It's like you're in those photo booths haha.
You won’t see your face if you have dim lighting behind your monitor or off to the side. There is a huge difference from just lighting in a room and having dim lights which is ideal for picture quality and not strong light in one spot (just the tv or monitor on and nothing else) for your eyes which could actually be straining. A really good way to have some lighting in a room that doesn’t take away from picture quality is to have a laptop screen on a white screen or half white screen at your desired brightness off to the side in the room/or behind you or something similar.
@@Ray-dl5mp I have a spare desk lamp with a dim bulb behind my C3 42in I use as a nice background light. Main thing really is to not have such a drastic contrast between the display and wall behind it. Brightness itself isn't too damaging.
Its interesting so far. Ive owned a CRT (still do) high end monitor( dell and ibm trinitrons) and mid range TV (panasonic 27) and a mitsubishi rear projection unit that was very long life. A pioneer plasma around a 40-42" very lovely display when it worked (still have it) ps3 and xbox 360 was fantastic at 1080i and 720p And my most recent was a 27" mini led 1440p monitor. Ive yet to try oled but ive been tempted lol. The mini led is very nice for the price though and can be blindingly bright. And i do wanna grab a nice larger plasma for the main room. Price to performance is hard to beat imo.
I love that I can calibrate my CX. I want a monitor with the same capability. The upcoming LG one, which can do 480hz, is the only one that can be calibrated. Previous LG monitors only supported SDR calibration(with LG calibration studio), but not HDR. I hope the one will support HDR calibration as well. There are two problems with it. The fan. People say fans on monitors are inaudible but they show their PCs on their desk. My PC is in another room, so I don't believe them. I haven't seen any measurements. The AG coating. I've removed a few. The last one was on my 27gl850. It was difficult to remove, unlike the previous ones. I was lucky the monitor survived. That monitor was way cheaper, so It was easier to accept I can break it when I try to remove the coating.
@@CoffeeGameMovie Agree 1000% love my C2 42” + PC, even for competitive gaming, the level of clarity and detail is just on another level, I literally sold my lg oled 240hz monitor
@@luisperez-ii8lf So true, yah as a competitive game i play league of legends and my 55" C2 is very good for that! Everything is big, immersive, i see little details more, minimap is huge so i can see much better where is the enemy. I use a tv stand behind my desk so of course the tv is not sitting on the table. This way i have more space and the 55" although immersive but not too big. (about 100 cm from my eyes)
Objectively based! Monitors sucks due to their lack of BFI and I wouldn't trust the oled ones in particular for browsing because burn in is a thing and we don't know about their compensation cycles usually. For me I use the C1 for games and some movies and anime, then regular browsing and work on a normal monitor. OLED all day would be nice but I'd rather not take the risk. Waiting for that S95D video :D
I'm not too worried about burn in. I browse in SDR with only like 30 brightness and have the screen shift activated. 3000 hours on the lg c1 and it's still holding up. Also it's the evo panel version which should be a bit better.
@@jlb4685For real maybe in 5 years I'll start seeing the RU-vid logo or similar on a test patch but who cares I run my 42in C3 at 90 brightness filmmaker mode almost all the time. Not gonna baby it
The OLED monitor market just started basically a few years ago. It’s still in its infancy. It’s still niche. It’s still expensive. Once more options come out and people start buying them more, prices will come down and it will make more sense. Sure it’s hard now to justify paying $1200 for a 32” 4K OLED when you can get a 42” LG C3 for $800, but 32” OLED has its place. 27” 1440p is a little more niche, more for competitive gaming, but it still is something people want.
thanks for the video, in my opinion while many never hit 360-240 or even175fps in game, with TVs that only have 4k resolution, the situation becomes even worse :) So, regarding this, it's always a compromise.
I had the alienware 360hz qd oled and had to return because of serious eye strain no matter the settings. A problem ive never had with woled. I ended up buying the new 27" LG 240hz with no ABL. No eye strain problems at all.
I would definetly avoid LGs A models if you care about accuracy. My old A2 model just could not get the right Gamma no matter what I tried and either crushed blacks or washed out the image. Always go for at least B or C models, very happy with my CS (C1 basically).
Hi Ariel. On my previous comment i wrote a little bit incorrectly. Use standard mode de blur 10 DTM OFF and maxing out hdr slider in games OR game optimiser preset HGIG, allm on , pc input and vrr when supported because in games that doesn’t support it , they have black level raise some times. Thank you man.
I'd go HGIG Game Optimizer mode or DTM for OLED Motion. Unless reducing the brightness slider in game causes the highlights to clip or makes the picture darker
I totally agree with you, you get far better value buying an OLED 4K gaming TV (120Hz with BFI and other features) than extremely overrated and overpriced monitors that lack features. You can get an OLED display for your phone while paying way, WAY less money.
I'm going to hook up my new S95C to my new PC this week, I CANNOT wait. The 4K QD-OLED monitors of 2024 are seriously disappointing in HDR, the difference is staggering...
I get why you wouldn't want a matte finish, but not every matte finish looks the same. The LG 32GS95UE has one of the better ones. Will it look as good as glossy? Of course not. However, the difference is much smaller than you might expect.
Monitors are aimed for pro gamers where hz is needed, regardless of picture quality and size, you sit focused and close or you are a streamer, but you could stream also with a TV. Now with LG pushing 144hz on newest OLED TVs with the ability to change alot of advanced settings, screen is much bigger as well, its a no brainer.
These garbage matte coatings look like a dirty oily filter over the sub pixel structure, I would much rather take the mirror-like reflections of the C1/C2 over that any day
There's a program called lossless scaling, they recently (couple months back) added in a frame interpolation feature that interpolates half your monitor's refresh rate to the monitor refresh rate. So if you have 120hz, then it will cap framerate of game to 60fps, and then interpolate it to 120fps. Or if you're at 240hz, it will cap to 120fps and then interpolate to 240. I did some test and it's actually pretty usable at 60fps or above, the artifacts are not that noticeable at 60, but damn, if you got a 240hz OLED, and played games at 120 then interpolated to 240, hot damn! You wouldn't get any artifacts at that point I bet! Also, there's no real latency penalty from what I noticed which was interesting. I tested it on tekken 8 cause I hated how choppy it looked even though I have a 120hz OLED TV, and it looked real nice interpolated! Without any noticeable latency issues! So that basically opens up a good way to using 240hz monitors/TVs without as much of an issue as having to keep the game running at 4k 240hz steady, which is insane, but at 120fps, is much more doable.
A TV is too big for gaming because too much is in my periphery. That means I miss seeing things I should be seeing. It is for that reason why 24" is ideal for competitive gaming. Watching a movie is different. 90% of what is important is in the 10% in the center of your display. Most of it is for the ambiance. For gaming everything on the screen may be things you have to react to. Also things are not a sharp the further back I sit.
After having my LG C2 42" for PC Monitor; i cannot go back down in size. I am too used to it, and for me its just perfect. Also; i bought it for $800. i play FPS games at locked at 117 and just crush it. Plus RPG games with max settings on my 4090 i am hitting 80-100 fps native. I hope LG and other brands add higher HZ to their TV's in the future; like the bump to 140 in the C4. I dont see 42" + being popular in dedicated monitors/
@@plasmatvforgaming9648no, it is that bad, but i just put up with it lol. let’s not try to sugarcoat it, but glossycoat it instead. oled and matte should be divorced. lcd and matte is less heinous.
Been using a C9 as my main PC display since 2019, I am so glad I left pc "gaming monitors" overpriced, lower quality, less for your money; its generally daylight robbery. Today you can get a 42" LG C3 for £867 in the UK, if you got the space for it, its just far better value than OLED monitors and imo you are getting a better quality panel/feature set. I will only upgrade once LG offer 240hz OLED in 55" and hopefully Nvidia will offer Gsync Pulsar for OLED (BFI+Gsync) in the future. Right now I believe OLED 4K@120hz + HDR+ VRR/Gsync is the gold standard for gaming. LG also showed they are going to be releasing an RGB OLED in 2025 in their roadmap.
its a shame that oled monitors are so expensive in comparison to the tv´s... i love good screen quality in gaming, but spending around 1000 euros for a tv... i dont know... i have an lg 550w 4k IPS, and i got to say, the image is, altough its an IPS, just glorious... nice colors, nice contrast, and the blur is okay, it could be worse, the panel is the same that lg has in their higher priced monitors too (600 to 800 euros, the difference is they have usb and other stuff that you dont need, the image quality is the same) this monitor costs 219 euros... i would spend 400 500 euros for an oled monitor, but not 1000 euros O.o
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 oh thank you for this, i also wanted to get a larger tv if some friends come to me and i want to play with them on a large screen or girlfriend etc. xD i will definetly get something you recommend, as long its a sony with motionflow, i cant go wrong can i? what about this: Sony KD 55 XE 9005?
There’s one thing I’ve learned over the years, “gaming” tech is full of smoke and mirrors to get you to spend your money. I’m in the market for a new monitor and tv, and monitors are such bad value. I m going with oled tv’s, 2024 models have 144hz and that’s fine with me plus all the other tech which makes the picture stunning.
When I saw my bro in law and girlfriends nephew 38inch 240hz type lcd monitors and wasn't impressed with the motion. Expensive tiny flat washed out colors just to get better motion clarity isn't worth it in my opinion. lol
Uh, the monitors with best motion clarity are 24/27" 360/540Hz panels with backlight strobing / Nvidia ULMB-2, I don't know any 240Hz monitors or panels larger than 27" having ULMB-2.
@paul2609 That's not the whole point. You're still only talking about motion, you dork. I got the size wrong, who cares. Im talking price, size, and motion clarity all together. I agree with the video.
i have oled TV 55inch and input lag is 31msec.. vs my monotir 32 inch QD Oddysey g7 3.1ms input lag... 0 logic to use TV for gaming on pc. Yes consoles but pc ?
@@Roman-zq8wp lol.... 10msec still to much for gaming is minimum 3msec for online game.. 10 msec is fake input lag.. Test when u press mouse and to TV u will see its 31msec input lag.
Ariel i tried hgig and allm on, pc input. It looks good but the motion is much better on when using de blur 10 on 60 fps games. The advantage of using the first option is that the input lag is very good, i beated sifu with dtm on , allm, 400 nits secret menu. So I don’t know what to choose now😂, the motion on cinema home de blur 10 is very, very nice especially for 60 fps games on ps5. Hgig pc input , allm on has a very good specular highlights and very good input lag but the motion is 👎🏻 Also i tested hgig on GT5 and it clips big time when i set 800 nits and even with gaming tech recommendation setting 100 nits higher then the actual peak brightness it’s still clips 😂🤦🏼♂️ I don’t know man, as you say pick your poison. I have LG C2. Thank you.
For some people bigger is not better. I have 2 qd oled monitors -- the 3440 1440 aw3423dw and the new 240hz 4k qd oled (aw3225qf) -- both I've measured myself -- and are plug and play; track PQ perfectly out of the box. When it comes to image quality, outside of one display (aw3423dwF), they are all near perfect out of the box when it comes to pq/image quality. Also not everybody wants to mess around with 1000x tv settings. For my qd oled monitors I literally just plug them in, and play video games. The most I'll ever need to tweak is maybe the black floor fix shader; outside of that Native HDR or SpecialK HDR is perfect. Also for a desktop display, anything over 32 inches is just not for me. I have friends that love their 55 inch oleds as desktop devices; but thats not my cup of tea. As for them being expensive, that's another discussion.
I forgot to mention that I'm aware that some Monitors change the tone mapping curve (in windows) depending on the content Maxcll, which doesn't happen on any TV.
I think you have it right in that size and resolution makes sense as a guiding principal for your display. After all, the display is the final product of all your hardware you are using to run it. Above 32'' a TV not only makes sense but gives you much more additional features like cinema use and console gaming. I use a 48'' C1 as my main desktop which took a few months to get used to. I game on this display with my PC and sometimes with a controller on my PC. And I have a plex server full of 4K HDR movies I watch on this display. Best of all worlds from a single display for me. I don't even own a TV in my family room. I just have a beautiful OLED in my office to do it all -- it works for my use case.
Just as a warning - my 65" LG C1 is starting to have power on issues 2 years and 3 months after purchase. Looking at AV forums, reddit and recent negative reviews on LG website for same make/model a number of other owners are reporting the same/similar issues around that 2 year mark (issue us when turned off the standby light will disappear and tv will be unable to be turned on - can last anywhere from 1min to several hours/days before light comes back on and tv can be turned on again). Make sure you always buy the extended warranty on these high end TVs!! (as C1 only covered gor 1yr manufacturers warranty by LG).
@Trai1b1aze- I bought my C1 in Feb 2022 and have not had any problems with it. I'm retired and the tv is on ALL the time. I hope your problem gets fixed.
Did you have your TV on a UPS for backup power supply and surge protection? My LG C1, router, and PC are all on the same UPS 1000w power supply that will give me surge protection and run my internet and PC and TV if my power goes out for about 20 minutes. In the two years I have been using it the UPS has recorded 145 events where the power blipped or went out entirely. The UPS unit I have also conditions the power to ensure optimal delivery. This is important to protect your expensive electronics. My UPS cost me less than $300.
@@Trai1b1aze- how do you know how many hours you have on your tv? I have heard other ppl mention the number of hours their tv 's have on it but never had a chance to ask , would you please tell me how I can check out how many hours I have on my tv ? BTW, some ppl say that you should change your surge protector every 2 years. I have no idea if there is any truth to that, but what the heck, it's not expensive to do that.
I have a couple high end PCs but have a C1 oled 48" I use and the 34" ultrawide Alienware qd oled monitor with the gsync ultimate module. I love the monitor. Its a bit brighter than the C1 too. I guess one of the things that makes me favor the monitor over the tv is that i like the size better for a deaktop setup and the ultrawide aspect ratio is awesome too. I have my 4090 rig hooked up to it and my other PC is in the living room with the C1. They are both great but i can certainly see a monitor setup is more specialized for a deaktop setup.
i swear man we got the same brain 😆 the new lg oled monitor was the only one that interested me, as i also dont like the way qd oleds look, but man as soon as i heard it was gonna have a matte coating i immediately lost all hype. baffling to me that LG the leader of the oled technology charge, would put a hideous matte coating on their latest and greatest technology.. it makes absolutely no sense to me.
We need a easy way to calibrate monitor/TV , wake UP LG/Sony/Samsung or they must put better calibration at stock, for all profile and not just one, wich is without dolbyvision précision/IQ .
At o.27 you say you do NOT have any experience with OLED tv's . . . I had a Panasonic Plasma tv for TEN YEARS and it was fantastic. Then I went to a YT channel that had comments from people like me who had also owned mostly Panasonic Plasmas and they loved them like I did UNTIL they saw the LG C1 OLED TV. Frankly I thought maybe there was something wrong with their plasma tv because I could not imagine a better picture than the one I was getting with my Panny. However I decided to make the jump to an LG C1 OLED 65" tv. It wasn't merely fantastic, I was BLOWN AWAY by the picture quality. Then last year I added an LG 4K dvd player and watched old movies I had on dvd come to life❗It was a joy to see my old dvd's look stunningly clear and sharp ! So, if you haven't actually tried it yourself, then I suggest you stop flapping your gums until you actually experience it for yourself. : )
I feel like every Samsung product is a compromise between their brilliant engineers and the army of complete morons who populate their executive and marketing departments. Every Samsung TV I've interacted with have had things I admire, and things that frustrate me immensely. There's always some bad feature they force on the customer, because they thought it was a good idea, even though it plainly isn't.
Lol, not exactly true. I own 3 QD-Oled s, and 2 WOLEDS, the only time you will see raised blacks is in direct sunlight on the screen, and that's when the set is off. In a normally lit room, blacks are absolute, except for light reflections, which are the same on both panels I own...
We get it, you don't play games that get 240hz+ fps. But you are missing the breakthrough we are going through of making LCD obsolete. These new OLEDs are replacing the need for high refresh rate LCD. 480hz OLED will put 540hz TN to shame. Many people buy those kinds of monitors. People still game at 1080p. These smaller OLEDs NEED to exist. The price is where they are because it's first gen tech. We are currently crossing a bridge of a display revolution. There is no going back. Like you said, there are too many options for every type of gamer that are exclusively OLED at this point
backlight strobbing on LCD with Nvidia ULMB-2 / Pulsar are still better for motion clarity but OLED monitors will be the best at being at everything else.
I’m not in that ”we” so I’m not sure who you represent, except yourself, or are you some kind of a opinion leader with a following and represent them? I think you are missing the Mini-Led revolution, including Sony (a brand that has won consecutively TV reviews and shootouts many years a row) and their 2024 which will have a mini-led model as their flagship. Look at X95L at 85”, it’s absolutely bonkers how well-rounded it is and has no real draw backs. Imagine improving upon it significantly this year, and you are in the best TV category again, including beating the latest OLEDs.
Pretty much no one is. I have an RTX 4090 and don't get more than 190 fps ar max settings in most games. If all you do is play CSGO or Valorant it seems like a waste to buy a $1500 OLED monitor. If you are running HZ higher than FPS you are going to get screen tearing and all kinds of artifacting. 120hz OLED motion clarity is on par with 240hz IPS and is a much more likely target fps.
LG G3 is the best , the TOP1 the KING monitor for PC. if G3 is 100%, S95C A95L is 90%, A95K is 75%, s90c s95b is 70%, 55inch woled (c2 c3 a80L) is 50% ,42 to 48 inch 4k woled is 30%, and all 32 inch 4k qd-oled monitor just 20% all 1440p oled(G8 G9 OLED) monitor is 10%. If size doesn't matter, just go to G3.
Comparing monitors to TVs is a fools errand honestly. When the first point is about size, you have already determined the different use cases and why the comparison becomes null. Using even a 42" oled TV (the smallest available given the settings TVs provide) is still obnoxiously large for a normal desk (lets say "normal" desk width is 25"). The vertical height alone becomes uncomfortable and straining. Your eyes and neck operate much more effectively looking downward, its just the nature of our bodies. Honestly, someone will know whether antv or monitor makes sense given their seating position and setup.
I myself switched from a Samsung Odyssey G7 32” to a 48” LG C2 on the same desk, same distance and I’ve experience no problem at all. Everything is so much better I’m actually glad I didn’t go for the 42”. I feel pity to those who can’t adapt. Also I game a lot, even fast games like CoD I have no difficulties.
I waited 15 years before I upgraded from my Plasma, skipped the entire LCD generation of terrible TV's, LG C1 with BFI 120hz is a great alternative to the Plasma's amazing motion clarity.
