I drove Tesla Model 3 SR+ LFP until the car stopped

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@paescu_2k350 Год назад

The buffer is variable in the LFP Model 3s. When BMS is calibrated, the buffer falls to around 2.5 kWh

@44Bigs Год назад

6:40 heater or not, I would not feel comfortable driving with 0% 😁 Great video as always!

@georgepelton5645 Год назад

“Don’t be a zero hero” - Good advice from Uncle Bjørn! 😀

@W4rH4wkXX Год назад

am i the only one that goes crazy for these zero battery tests? 🤔 Asking for a friend ..... 🤓

@ivanjose200 Год назад

I absolutely love them!

@suvari225 Год назад

My favorite test series

@arribus30 Год назад

Love them too

@arribus30 Год назад

The more stupid stats the better!!

@marcoteeuwen6144 Год назад

Yes. Ok, no 😁

@jiz100 Год назад

This is a fantastic video and couldn't be a more perfect timing. Picked up my September delivered M3 RWD and have noticed from multiple trips that my maximum usable capacity is 52kWh, confirmed with over 12 others here in irelands also September delivery. This means a buffer of 8-8.5kWh. Quarter 1 an 2 M3 RWD 2022 from China don't seem to have this excessive buffer and have a higher usable capacity of 55-56kWh. Out if the 60.5kWh. Anyway again fairplay for doing the video and pushing the limits as always 👍

@dennisstrack7234 Год назад

I have the same vehicle with smt and from my experience you have to charge to 100% and then leave it for a few hours like 4-5 then the buffer calibrates with the resting voltage. It wont hurt the battery because it balances and the voltage drops to safer levels after a few hours. If you charge to 100% seldom you have to do this once in a while. The secret is to leave it at that. If you charge to 100% and then directly leave it wont calibrate. What i do ist when i plan a trip or just drive to work every once in a while i set the limit to 100% so that it finishes a few hours before leaving and then i dont have to leave it at 100% all day.

@tyronemcgillick Год назад

I think the acceleration test at 5% is a new test standard for all future cars.

@darekmistrz4364 Год назад

I expect some car to shut down because of "overload" protection

@valtersvasilis Год назад

@@darekmistrz4364 Than I want to know which cars to avoid.

@f36443 Год назад

@@valtersvasilis Literally all cars would shut down if the voltage drops too much under accelleration

@svenkurrle9243 Год назад

I just took delivery of mine and noticed some weird jumps in the state of charge, especially when going to lower state of charge. For example I would park the car with 12% and after sitting a few hours it would show me 14%. My theory is: Tesla delivers these cars with very conservative estimates of where 0% state of charge is. Then every car learns its own actual 0% over time. The weirdness sotped when I drained it once to 0% and recharged to 100% for calibration. As your car hasn't done one full charge circle (200km) I think you experienced the same. Maybe retest with more than 1000km, well calibrated. Than it will probably be less weird. Really enjoy your content!

@onlineactivityvideo Год назад

It would be nice to test a classic NMC Tesla model 3 with 2 years and some Km to see the beginning of aging on the 0% béhavior … Thanks Bjorn

@asaha7547 Год назад

I have read somewhere that if not charged to 100% for a long time LFP battery's BMS makes bigger part of buffer to be on safe side

@f36443 Год назад

This is what's happening. BMS can't estimate the remaining battery %, plays it safe

@sharky07xy Год назад

@Bjørn Nyland 12:56 deactivate X-Boost for non resistive loads.. The ecoflow lowers the voltage to reduce the load but the charging brick increases the amp's until the voltage is to low. Then it starts all over. Without X-Boost the voltage is held constant until overload protection kicks in.

@bjornnyland Год назад

Thanks for the tip :)

@andys31337 Год назад

It went over 50km after 0% and people are complaining. geez.

@stefanvanvuuren3931 Год назад

I am looking forward to the MEB cars test, they are very popular cars, and I think a lot of people want to see what the result would be. Thank for the awesome tests man!

@thenerd6192 Год назад

Dunno if it was a coincidence but it looked like the afterburners waited until the SOC was above 0% before kicking in. And wow, it’ll go further below zero than some older EVs can manage above zero!

@sacharanc Год назад

Very nice ! Well done Bjorn

@TheOnlyName Год назад

I appreciate you waiting to see when the car shuts down Bjørn!! I was really curious myself

@heppo6 Год назад

In some videos it just isn't enough with a thumbs up! Great work from the elbil wizard.

@coulomjo Год назад

Love these videos. Any plans for revisit the ID4 for this test?

@alliao82 Год назад

almost feels like BMS doesn't know the full capacity of the battery installed.. thanks for the test Bjørn!

@suvari225 Год назад

Yes, it is difficult to estimate the remaining energy on LFP packs. What Tesla have done is actually so remarkable. They are hiding energy, because they know they cannot predict well the remaining energy. So it is better to be cautious.

@ArturFlies Год назад

My gut feeling. It has very low distance on odometer. Maybe BMS didn't learn this battery pack yet well. That would be great to repeat test with the same car in few thousand km.

@mchammer1982 Год назад

I've 4000km on mine and tried all the calibration tricks. None of them work on this version that have been built in the second half of 2022

@jiz100 Год назад

@@mchammer1982 same here. Only 52kWh usable capacity out of 60.5kWh. Clocked almost 2000km already.

@j0hnwyne715 Год назад

had same thoughts, propably virgin BMS, neither unbalanced cell voltage

@KiwiShoot Год назад

Fascinating. Now waiting for this to appear on Fox and InfoWars with ‘Tesla owner has to drive carrying spare batteries because it suddenly runs out and leaves him stranded !’ 😂

@tellusw9701 Год назад

Thanks for showing cell voltage!

@JustPeaceLoveAndKindness Год назад

awesome test. Thanks.

@dmunro9076 Год назад

I hope you can record and publish the charging curve in another video. My Fremont 2022 M3 RWD seems to charge faster than in your last video that showed the 60Kwhr LFP charging curve.

@EugeneHoochie Год назад

Cool :) High peak charging rate (even at relatively high SOC) is the magic of silicon in the anode. Not all EV manufacturers use this advantage.

@tobiasforsberg2497 Год назад

I would say it was really impressive Bjorn! Most people would never reach 0%. And in this test you came so much further after zero. I know you spoke about degradation, but isn’t that less of an issue with LFP batteries? From watching your movies I would say it is on top, except for possibly model Y. In a real world situation the Teslas would be the cars to choose :) And so much safer to have most of the power available until the battery dies

@melbuh7016 Год назад

the Problem ist, that this car didnt have a calibrated battery. IT seems like it never was at 100%. mine had this big buffer too when it was new, now IT hast only 2,5 kWh*h/h buffer. i can Imagine that it behaves like the other teslas, with some more cycles on the bms

@jamesellis4899 Год назад

Awesome video as always!

@apicharjiratanan4285 Год назад

love the controlled tests, but would ecoflow helps when you are on a family trip? that would be a nice real world test

@martingrady7654 Год назад

Model 3 RWD, is its name with 60kwh, last year I ordered the Model 3 RWD, and during the 4-month delivery time just before I received the car things changed, I received the Model 3 RWD with the bigger battery pack and I think slower acceleration.

@ElectricMikeEV Год назад

Wow 7kw in reserve... Very good to know and yes I do have scan my tesla 😁

@JohnDoe-de3km Год назад

And we have „STAU“ man, you are killing me. Find es voll super wenn du deutsch redest 🤣 Regards from 🇦🇹

@kiwijonowilson Год назад

Thanks for doing this! The cut off sure was sudden! I think the lowest I have ever taken my M3 LFP is about 5% and ideally I like to arrive with 10 - 20% left. BTW there is a lot of conflicting information out there that you may be able to comment on: 1. Does it do damage to a LFP running it down to 0% (like it does with many other Lithium chemistries)? Some say yes and some say no. Will it last longer if I don't discharge below say 20%? 2. Tesla recommends always charging at home to 100%. I know his primarily helps recalibrate the BMS, but presumably if I'm not driving the car for 2 or 3 weeks I'm still better off keeping it at say 50% charge limit?

@janverschuren3446 Год назад

Damn, too bad nobody is answering this. GOOD, very practical questions!

@richh650 Год назад

Excellent questions I would love to see addressed with LFP's as well. Thx.

@janverschuren3446 Год назад

@@richh650 This video from Cleanerwatt I saw recently has some more info on this. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-suw20wPrbL0.html&ab_channel=Cleanerwatt

@DriveSmarter Год назад

My reading of the user manual is yes to question 1 and keep charge limit to 100% for question 2.

@James-cq9dp 9 месяцев назад

i can answer question 2. Tesla recommends this for user convenience. they dont want to explain why it needs to charge to 100%. from my research that recommendation is just for the general fool. for people like us who watch Bjorn's videos we know better. What I do is i keep it as close to 50% as i can. i only recalibrate once ever couple months. recalibration is only really important if you plan on doing a road trip. but if you plan on doing a road trip you need to charge to 100% anyway so you actually kill two birds with one stone. Even though LFP batteries are a lot more resistant than NCA they are still LI batteries which makes it bad to charge to 100%. Tesla LFP batteries are rated for 1500 charge cycles but if you treat it like a NCA batter you will get around 2500-3500 charge cycles. Moral of the story is that you should go against teslas recommendation and try and minimize charging to 100%. only charge to 100% to check battery degradation or recalibrate before a road trip. if you were to cycle from 60% to 40% every day recalibration doesn't really matter for you

@richardgoldsmith7278 Год назад

I wonder if the voltage behaviour of the LFP at really low Soc means that giving a graduated loss of Power is not possible. Maybe they should use an assumed profile below zero to manage driver expectations and behaviour, and throttle anyway even if it technically is not necessary. Maybe they want to get the largest range possible in actual full to empty testing ignoring the miles remaining display, just for the spec sheets. Restricting power should not reduce range though, so that doesn’t add up.

@FaceTubeU Год назад

LFP is near impossible to detemine SOC by voltage because of the nearly flat discharge curve. Top voltage of 3.65 down to 3.45 is roughly only 5%, and 3.45 volts down to 3.0 is 90% of the capacity with the remaining 5% from 3.0 down to 2.5 volts when it falls off a cliff. The BMS can only guess the SOC by using an algorithm combining voltage and the amount of energy discharged since the last full charge. If a power limit were applied based on this, it would cause problems of not slowing the car in cold weather to warn the driver because of less energy being discharged and slowing the car too soon because of more energy being discharged in warm weather. I think that is why Tesla put such a big buffer in the bottom end of LFP to account for this variation since LFP is more temperature sensitive compared to NCA or NMC. It doesn't need the buffer for cycle life since LFP will last 2000 full charge and discharge cycles.

@franlax123 Год назад

Hi thanks for the videos, at the beginning of the test the SUC is 22,6% with 19 kwh expected remaining, I think the battery is not calibrated correctly, 22% of 60kwh is 13 kwh remaining and not 19. For that the 7 kwh "extra". Maybe this test has to be repeated with more kms in the odometer. Thanks!!

@obiskeyone Год назад

Dose running the battery down so low till the car stops. Damages the battety pack?

@Jushwa Год назад

Yeah I think you're right once the voltage hits threshold the car calls it quits and that's only going to be more pronounced in extreme cold temperatures.

@aliceraji6551 Год назад

The buffer was too high to be confident with its value. Can you try with an LFP55 (SR+ 2021) with a buffer of 2.4-2.5 ?

@Nomanmirza Год назад

Hello Bjorn will you make a vid about VW is asking the owners of around 10,000 ID.3 and ID.4 electric cars worldwide to visit the workshops. Battery cells could show an increased self-discharge due to a manufacturing defect.

@gregyou1117 Год назад

Hei Bjørn! Could you do a similar test with a Polestar 2? Preferably with a Long Range Single Motor? :)

@kingprone7846 Год назад

how do you get your picture next to the name?

@syrophenikanblackmetal3249 Год назад

Was that a Dead Alive (Braindead in some countries) movie quote? “I kick ass for the Lord”. Lol.

@timoliver8940 Год назад

Can you try doing some of these tests on the cars more likely to run out of juice on a trip - the small battery cars like Mini S E / Smart Electric/ Honda E etc. I know they aren’t designed for road tripping but for city driving but where I live it takes for ever to get public chargers repaired after they go down so sometimes going close to zero is a fact of life……….

@seangiblin6992 Год назад

Bjorn - do you want to test two Model Y’s in convoy? I’ve already got the Shanghai LR MY and a Berlin SR MY due in 4 weeks - I’ll lend you both for a side by side road test of range and charging. I’ve done 15000km in the MY LR since June and on long road trips across Europe it needs less time at chargers than I need for restroom and restaurant stops! So I want to see if the SR is better suited to my need for more frequent rest breaks 😂

@seriusrod Год назад

Niiice Bjorn! But if I was you, I would get those bricks out of the trunk before charging, and let them sit for a while after charging. (If possible)

@momomo4635 Год назад

มีเวอร์ชั่นพากย์ไทยไหมครับ อยากได้มากเลย LFP

@gohumberto 6 месяцев назад

56km emergency range is fantastic. Obviously you'd hope never to use that but, it gets you to a charger when all hope is lost.

@electrodacus Год назад

It seems to have 112 cells in series. The BMS allows the battery to be discharged way to low. Ideal will be to not allow any driving when lowest cell is below 2.8V and completely disconnect the battery if any cell drops below 2.5V.

@asaha7547 Год назад

2,5V under load is for non LFP batteries, because LFP has on avarage ~0,5 lover voltage, 2.0V under load for LFP would be hard limit and we saw in Bjorn's video it's at 2.3V with minimal load. Note these values are for measuring capacity, in real world I think BMS don't go that low.

@ataksnajpera Год назад

You are talking about NMC (3.7V nominal voltage). That car has LFP (3.2 nominal voltage). Cut-off point in LFP is much lower than in NMC!

@electrodacus Год назад

@@asaha7547 There was basically no load when lowest cell was at 2.3V. I know it is LiFePO4 that is also what powers my house. I also designed my own BMS and I read plenty of LiFePO4 specs to know that 2.5V is absolutely the lowest limit. If the vehicle was left for even 24h with that low cell at 2.3V the small drain from the standby electronics will have damaged that pack. There is no reason to go below 2.8V as there is no significant energy left at that point and the risk of damaging the cells is supper high. Tesla seems to just count on the fact that majority of the owner will likely never deeply discharge the battery same as I never had an empty gas tank and was only once on the red likely about 5 liters left.

@peterhelm522 Год назад

@@electrodacus yeah, nobody will drive a long time below 0%, if at all. So it is good to have the reserve but it is good not to use it to save battery life.

@MCSMIK Год назад

How interesting. Could you by any chance do the same with a non LFP 2019 SR+? That's the one that I have and was extremely popular in UK so would be good to share this with the community here.

@asaha7547 Год назад

non LFP SR+ would behave like LR

@sebastiankobialka4071 Год назад

why is there no boost availible for the model 3 lfp? i mean i would easy pay 2000$ to get 0-100 in 5,6sek back.

@Dan4096 Месяц назад

Could we get Born 77kWh zero test please?

@commanderroddi7742 Год назад

Also, Driving below 0% will likely increase the degradation of the battery. I try to find a charger at around 10-5% (Depending where I am, not always a charger within 10% so sometimres even more, though mostly it charges at home. I"ve done trips where I gotten to a charger a 1%, and ONCE at 0 (It was a cold, cold day, and I was trying not to get with 0%)

@user-ng4sb5nl2o Год назад

Is that like using gas and suddenly running out of gas?

@wiggi1968 Год назад

Is this test realistic when the car only has 250km on it? Does the new LFP battery know its end points already at that age?

@darekmistrz4364 Год назад

250km is not even 1 full cycle, makes sense to get "older" car for something like that

@lovethytuber4770 Год назад

Ok, the warning came to late, at least there should be enough left to safely pull over or reach the next breakdown bay. On the other hand they let you use the remaining juice as you see fit, which is good

@ichigo19870 Год назад

Hey Bjorn, could you test the Vision automatic high beams again? People are going crazy here because they keep blinding oncoming traffic :/

@alliao82 Год назад

bad calibration?

@theanthony33 Год назад

I can confirm i have to disable them every time i engage autopilot because they keep going to highbeem whith opposite trafic. After each lane change with basic autopilot! Crazy

@itsbilln2178 Год назад

245 kW discharge power is high - maybe it has been increased via software update 🤔

@TRYtoHELPyou Год назад

"don't be a zero hero" 😂

@StevenYoungcaptual Год назад

Question- Isn't that very hard on the batteries to drain them to 0% and more?

@richardgoldsmith7278 Год назад

You would not want to leave them like that for more than a minute or two, but as you saw, they recharge just fine and can take 160kW at well below nominal zero, so no damage when recharged promptly, seems to be the case. LFP are resilient to structural degradation at high voltage as well so I think they are a more user friendly (fool-proof) battery type.

@ataksnajpera Год назад

0% percent on display is not a real 0% percent for cell!

@smartrubberchicken Год назад

"pepperoni and pineapples" Why do you want us suffer?

@bjornnyland Год назад

You got trolled.

@latlak Год назад

BMW presented the i4 eDrive35, I would love to see you test that car when BMW Norway gets it! As for the Tesla, I'm a Bimmerboy and it makes me sad how great Teslas are when it comes to this EV stuff.

@thorbjrnhellehaven5766 Год назад

Powerbank to charge EV usually don't make sense, in my opinion. But for this test, wher you plan to stop fairly close to a rapid charger it makes perfect sense, For normal driving it is better to plan to stop at a rapid charger. If you stay at an off grid cabin for many days, and you use solar to charge the powerbank, it makes more sense. Some micro EVs have really small batteries, then a powerbank makes more sense too, because it contributes a lot more to state ox charge, as well as their consumption being lower, giving more km/kWh from the bank. It can extend your range enough to comfortably go to a destination where you can't charge otherwise, but use the bank while as destination charging.

@rimpe Год назад

I have 4kwh buffer on my M3 LFP (2020)

@varmav8801 Год назад

I also did 30 miles plus on my lfp battery due to no charger available and i am able to reach my home but I turned off heater to save some battery and did only 40 to 50 mph 😂

@jamalmahroof3298 Год назад

Have you ever tested if the Tesla has more range and is more efficient when using chill mode? Maybe a 1000km chill mode test?

@bjornnyland Год назад

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@gledatelj1979 Год назад

Is it true that the range can be doubled by driving at 40kmph?

@bjornnyland Год назад

Yes

@gledatelj1979 Год назад

@@bjornnyland Thanks , it should be known by new comers who have range anxiety and when it gets under 10%.

@tymanot Год назад

Thanks for the Video Björn. I would prefer zero to be zero and give me more range above zero. In an ICE car empty is empty as well... Give me the extra kilometers before it shows zero percent and not after.

@HowlandFPV Год назад

I most of the ICE cars you can go like 60km below 0 ;) my VW Crafter with AWD went 65km after showing 0km range :)

@danubiosalas4231 Год назад

My Nissan Altima can go about 60 miles after Empty (about 1.5 gallons) and every car I have own goes well beyond Empty.

@IcebergRoss Год назад

Hi Bjørn. Exactely the same happened to me. Tesla Model 3 LR 2019 110.000km. I thought my battery needs calibration because i had no power limit indicator....dots..... So i calibrated. 100%...0%....100%. Then the test drive. 7km below zero.....shutdown. Towtruck. No power limit...no indicator Bummer. Did Tesla cancle that feature without telling us? Are there more people out there who noticed that? Hang in there dude...

@davigar1391 Год назад

@Bjørn Nyland this car doesn't have the BMS calibrated. You need to charge it to 100% and let it sleep about 1 hour and then you have a 2,7kWh buffer instead 7. They introduced this "feature" in 2022.8 update when several LFP's M3 died in the delivery because a uncalibrated battery

@mchammer1982 Год назад

Not true. I have this car and have tried all those "calibration" tricks. The recent deliveries have a massive buffer end of. Raises serious questions about the integrity of Teslas wltp advertised range for the car if they expect u to drive so far past 0% to achieve it. Thanks bjorn. Good video. I would have like to have seen the figures for "nominal full pack" as I belive this car now has a 2.5kwh hard buffer that the car keeps for itself and cannot be accessed.

@davigar1391 Год назад

@@mchammer1982 I have this car too. I have SMT since first day. In my delivery my car has a 10kWh buffer, but after a 100% charge, it dropped to 2,7kWh.

@jiz100 Год назад

@@davigar1391 I would have to agree with Mark. I have fully charged over 5-6 times now and have already out 2000km on the car. My buffer is still 7-8kWh. Where did you hear about this feature in the new software. Would be amazing if you are correct 🤞. FYI: September pick up 2022 RWD M3.

@mchammer1982 Год назад

@@davigar1391 what was your manufacture date? Earlier 2022 and late 2021 have no issues with the buffer self adjusting but later 2022 models, the buffer remains high. Something has changed.

@balazsberczi6611 Год назад

@@jiz100 I have the same. To unlock your buffer, you have to go below zero. After that, the buffer will go down to 5, than one more time to 2.5. SMT always shows the correct numbers. Available vs Nominal. You can drive until nominal == 0. When the available == 0, the display shows 0%

@Gaijin101 Год назад

Hmm. hope tesla fixes the power limit gradual issue. Other than that looks good.

@BigEightiesNewWave 6 месяцев назад

Again and Again, Tesla is Bauss, Proud Yankee here.

@skodbolle Год назад

Tesla for the win!

@arthimodo Год назад

@Teslabjørn: The BMS is not yet calibrated on that car, because otherwise you would have seen 2.7kWh Buffer. In order to calibrate the LFP-Battery, you should charge it to 100%, let it go for several hours, then drive it down close to 0%. Then let the car sleep for several hours. If you then rectactivate the car, it wurld report over 6% and not 0% anymore and your buffer would melt idealy to 2,7kWh. If you then recharge it to 100%, the buffer would remain at the lower state.

@mchammer1982 Год назад

Doesn't work like that on the more recent deliveries. Trust me I've tried everything

@73henny Год назад

16:36 it was trying to turn you around

@newtonmeter1964 Год назад

BMS was badly balanced, probably because it was so new. LFP should be charged to 100% regularly and then the energy buffer would be a solid 2,7kWh.

@bjornnyland Год назад

You mix up balanced and calibrated.

@newtonmeter1964 Год назад

@@bjornnyland you're right. It is badly calibrated

@Clark-Mills Год назад

Compare with an ICE car where it dies without warning...

@Wofinet Год назад

Pepperoni with pineapple??? Not sure about that. 😬

@steinmar2 Год назад

Test the Model Y SR with LFP battery pack

@bjornnyland Год назад

Why?

@steinmar2 Год назад

@@bjornnyland because your tests are awesome and this vehicle with that battery setup will be great for many people - at least i know now i can drive my MYP at least 20km below 0% and a RWD almost 40km which is an essential information!

@balazsberczi6611 Год назад

@@steinmar2 But it's not available at the moment...

@f36443 Год назад

And yesterday my P85D shut down with 3% remaining.... :|

@KITT-K2000 Год назад

thank you for that video

@BigEightiesNewWave 6 месяцев назад

I would not feel safe charging more than 5 minutes, away from a gas station in USA.

@tyronemcgillick Год назад

Lol "zero hero"

@ershdehrsa8934 Год назад

Title matches video

@commanderroddi7742 Год назад

Yeah, I don't use scan my Tesla...

@BigEightiesNewWave 6 месяцев назад

BASUSS Bjorn is.

@jonasdjuvik3460 Год назад

The car drove 50km on 0%. Why need powerlimit ? When the car hits 0% you are already looking for a charger. 🙂

@lipevp123 Год назад

The Tesla Model 3 LFP is the BEST Car ever Tesla have made....

@bastianm5478 6 месяцев назад

Why is that?

@HungTrinh-hd8xv 6 месяцев назад

100

@freshnost5197 Год назад

LFP stronk! Does this RWD also suffer from the weird sounds from the driveunit, like this user? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--uOrBVo9WtE.html

@Lukas-hk6ds Год назад

In my opinion car was too new and BMS was not calibrated.

@OhmUdomvanich Год назад

second

@telemetrycoaching165 Год назад

third

@azz1muth Год назад

Fifth

@KITT-K2000 Год назад

forth

@Seemples Год назад

first

@herrlich7671 2 месяца назад

Chinese EVs from BYD and Xpeng are better than tesla in 2024... and cheaper :)

@OrganicStuff1 Год назад

Are you having work done?

@bjornnyland Год назад

What do you mean?

@OrganicStuff1 Год назад

@@bjornnyland on your home , I just thought it looks like constructions

@tugatesla3360 Год назад

Tesla is awesome. But the navigation software is a nightmare.

@balazsberczi6611 Год назад

Nope. The navigation was good. You can't make a U turn in the middle of the road.

@tugatesla3360 Год назад

@@balazsberczi6611 I'm talking about my experience. My M3P already has 148.365km, I know what I'm talking about. Tesla's GPS navigation software is a nightmare.