I'm OPTIMISTIC About the Future of the Latin Mass (or Naive?) - with John-Henry Westen of LifeSite

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John-Henry Westen questions Cameron about the Mass of the Ages Trilogy and why he's optimistic about the future of the Latin Mass even after Traditionis Custodes.
Original upload on John-Henry's channel: • Video
02:02 The timing of Mass of the Ages releasing right after Traditionis Custodes
04:25 Who are the people who attend the Latin Mass?
07:15 What did Shia LeBeouf, mean by “they’re not trying to sell me a car”?
13:00 What is the effect of the priest facing the altar?
15:55 How did we get to all the changes in the New Mass?
19:40 What is the age group of Latin Mass attendees?
21:22 Who are the Latin Mass priests? Young? Old?
22:54 What are you showing in episode III and is this the end for you?
26:15 Latin Mass in Africa
29:55 Why Latin?
31:00 Plans for after Mass of the Ages Episode 3
33:17 What resources are you making for priests?
34:08 Are you ready to go underground if you have to (if the hierarchy bans Latin Mass completely)?
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@arthurdevain754 Год назад

If the Catholic Faithful in 1965 had been as educated and aware of the Faith as the "Latin Mass Community" is today, the Novus Ordo would never have been tolerated! It would never have gotten off the ground!

@Mar--Mar Год назад

They were educated in the Faith better than most Catholics today because in general they received good religious teaching in Catholic schools. The crucial element was that they trusted priests unconditionally, and saw the priest as an 'alter Christus'. For the most part that trust was justified. They also had a huge respect for the Pope and the Vatican. It would never have entered their minds that there already were very corrupt clerics who were scheming to 'modernize' the Church. These clerics triumphed greatly at Vatican II. It is all very well to talk now when so much corruption has been revealed, but it took ages for that to happen, and it needed the Scamdemic of the last two years to finally drive the message home.

@arthurdevain754 Год назад

@@Mar--Mar Being the product of pre-Conciliar Catholic Schools I can testify that students could recite Catechism answers from memory, but the good Sisters always, Always, ALWAYS taught us to "Trust the Pope and the Bishops!" The good Sisters, of course, could never have imagined that the Pope and the Bishops might ever act, either individually or in unison, to lead the Church away from God! Trads are aware of it today, but we weren't then. And we've had to learn it the hard way!

@Mar--Mar Год назад

@@arthurdevain754 I can see that we are in agreement. I loved my days in a Catholic primary school. The church right next door was open all the time and we were constantly encouraged to 'pay a visit'. There were Confessions on Friday afternoons on a regular basis when all the students of the appropriate age trouped into the church en masse. In the higher grades we were taught Gregorian chant. Even today after all those years I still remember some of the explanations of the faith the sisters gave. Very clear, so that a child could understand, and absolutely faithful to the teachings of the Church.

@soroushfetkovich5084 Год назад

Dear Lord pls protect the holy Latin mass!

@connieaguayo9591 Год назад

"The gates of hell will not prevail " in the TLM.

@loreforone924 Год назад

One year ago I went to TLM for the first time in my life. It is literally the way to worship Jesus Christ ❤️ I drive a hundred miles every Sunday, grateful for the Mass.

@MrTagahuron Год назад

There is also a revival of the Tridentine Rite in the Philippines, the bastion of Catholicism in Asia.

@juanzamarripa7477 Год назад

It’s so beautiful to see these young traditionalists fighting to protect the Latin mass. I started attending the Latin mass about 3 years ago and never went back to a nous ordo mass agaim. Gob bless these brave young families🙏

@martaacosta4415 Год назад

My husband and I are in our late 60s. We would be delighted to live in an area where there was a TLM within driving distance, but moving is difficult for us- though not impossible. We contemplate the idea, decide we can’t do it, and shelve it. Other times, we say, “yes, we’ll do it after the holidays” or “we’ll do it if we receive a clear sign from God” or “we’ll go when our lease expires.” In the meantime we’re getting older and it seems, realistically, that the move will never take place. We would love for our children and grandchildren to return to the faith they were raised in, the Roman Catholic faith which is the one true faith but it does not seem likely to happen without the TLM to inspire them. They were raised with the NO Mass and the accompanying catechism from the Church of the 70s and 80s. Sadly, their father and I trusted the Church’s CCD classes to catechize them well and so we never did much to pay close attention to what they were learning; we never taught them the faith ourselves because we were too busy with matters we thought were more important (big mistake). Looking back, we realize we were pretending everything was fine and holy, when actually we knew on some level of consciousness that our spiritual lives were hollow. So now near the end of our lives, we find we are limited in what we can do for our children and grandchildren ( the latter have never even been baptized, never been taken to holy mass) except pray for them. The very lack of a TLM near us is a hardship we endure and offer up for their conversion. To anyone reading this who has the good fortune to have the TLM close by, we say take advantage of it and thank the Lord for allowing you to have it. It is a great blessing.

@CatholicTraditional Год назад

Unfortunately in 1970, with very few exceptional people who knew better, most just went along with the N.O. because they were taught that no one was to question any word or action of the Pope. Most of the clergy were taught this in seminary.

@philcortens5214 Год назад

For what it's worth I'm 71 and drive 2-3 hours every Sunday to get to a TLM. It's a pleasure.

@loreforone924 Год назад

@@philcortens5214 same here brother ❤️ Totally worth it.

@martaacosta4415 25 дней назад

I totally admire anyone who drives 3 hours to attend the Latin Mass. The Latin Mass closest to us is probably about 5 hours one way. We were told by one person that there is a TLM in a city 1 and a half hours away, but we tried to look it up and couldn’t find it. To be specific, we live near Salt Lake City, and the closest Latin Mass that we are sure of, is in Boise, Idaho. We are definitely planning to move now. Some family members have agreed to help us financially, and so we are going to make the move in May of 2025 to a city where there are 2 or 3 parishes that offer the Latin Mass. I have spoken in person to the secretary of one of this churches and the TLM there is celebrated by the FSSP. I don’t have a specific fondness for the FSSP; I simply wanted to know that the TLM wasn’t going to stop being celebrated in that city after we moved there. Thank you for your comments.

@navy7633 Год назад

Thank you John-Henry. I love going to the Latin Mass when I get a chance. I grew up with the Latin Mass, and was an altar boy. In my high school years the Novus Ordo came onto the scene. And for years I thought that was all we had. God bless you, your family, and your work. Ave Maria!

@gotogd1233 Год назад

Well said! There is no other place - no other way for me to get that interior peace, that connection with Jesus and with HIS Saints and Angels, or the deliverance from myself, than to pray along with Traditional Latin Mass! I agree, I cant focus on Jesus when there's bands, people acting irreverent, 'eucharistic extraordinary ministers' defiling the sacred, or clergy that enjoy talking about themselves and their experiences and/or interjecting the Holy Gospels to compare it with analogies like 'football games' .... it is soo cringe! Depending on the homily I often feel spiritually sick afterwards, feel guilty for partaking ... and feel the need to go to confession afterwards.

@jimjimmy8391 Год назад

Grew up with Mass since the 30s. We were all taught the Mass was the sacrifice of Christ on the altar. So of course we all faced the ALTAR .

@loreforone924 Год назад

Tell THAT to "Pope" Francis 🌹

@VeronicaBrandt Год назад

Thanks! A great interview. Good to hear lots of things in common with our experience on the ground.

@debbie2027 Год назад

Great job Cameron !

@denisodea1251 Год назад

This an excellent documentary

@MrTagahuron Год назад

The Ordinariate Mass, an Old English rite for returning Anglicans to the Catholic Church established by Pope Benedict XVI is the closest to the Tridentine Rite. The Novus Ordo is not even close to this old Tradition in terms of its rubrics.

@CatholicTraditional Год назад

Many High Anglican/Episcopalian churches did the TLM in English, not based on the BCP. This is what the Church should’ve done after V2, not a wholesale change.

@samanthawiessing6348 Год назад

FYI RU-vid is hiding you even from subscribers. I've been subbed since before episode one. I went scrolling through my subs today to find your channel and you were not there. I had to type you in the search bar. Definitely hitting the bell now to see if that helps.

@chrisbernal5164 Год назад

There is this book, The Untold Story of Vatican II." written by a Vatican historian, who underlined the philosophical foundation of Vatican II. Nowhere, he says, is found the philosophy of St. Thomas Aquinas. Instead, the philosophy of the likes of Maritain, Chenu, Rahner, Kung, de Chardin pervade the Vatican thought.

@sandradsa1340 Год назад

Yes the choir is the single agency that tries to market the New Mass to us with their choice of hymns and their choice of beats and instruments. I'm a marketing professional for 30 years and I know when someone is trying to sell me something. This feels like the News Mass is always trying to find new ways to promote Christianity and not many are biting. Members are falling away actually.

@leonchen4065 Год назад

Hello Mass of the Ages can I ask if you could interview Roy Schoeman about Latin mass? I know he attends tridentine mass regularly.

@michaelwise6410 Год назад

I think that the Latin Mass will eventually prevail however, it may take a generation or more.

@loreforone924 Год назад

Better have more babies!

@sscot720 Год назад

Don't worry, Christ is returning Soon, and He will cast that False Prophet into the Lake of Fire, along with the Antichrist , who will prob show his face by 2025

@traceyedson9652 Год назад

Serious question here from an outsider EO who is nonetheless concerned for the health & fidelity of the Western Church: We’ve seen in *American* politics a penchant by conservatives (I am one) to reject the good when it’s not perfect. Might there be the possibility amongst some in TLM circles to, in a future rapprochement, reject a TLM that includes the actual suggested reforms of VII itself (not Paul VI’s missal). Or is it generally Pius V’s missal after Trent or nothing? Honest question.

@nicoleyoshihara4011 Год назад

💯❤💕

@AMINDSETRESET Год назад

Where can I watch part 2?

@geoffkiernan572 7 месяцев назад

I no longer get your site. Why have I been unsubscribed

@erric288 Год назад

Hey Cameron, I like the work you are doing showing the splendor of the TLM. I like how you recognize the validity of Vatican II and even of the NO despite its poor implementation. But I must admit, I was disturbed by your answer to the last question. See, the TLM and even ad orientem will cease in my diocese before the end of the month. It's awful, but I'm not up and packing my bags. And if the TLM was completely decommissioned, I would never leave the church for a schismatic group like you say. Obedience is a virtue. We need to do the hard work in our parishes to bring the NO to its full splendor as envisioned in sancrosanctum concilium. We must reform it, and who more qualified than yourself and your team? The point of TC is to assimilate us traditionalists into the greater church for her betterment. I see that as the only way to ever see the TLM return as well. Find a local pastor who is sympathetic and help him reform the parish. This is the cross to carry in my opinion. And I know this is a controversial statement in some circles, but it's is obviously true: the NO is meritorious and conveys grace and increased faith to those who attend if prayed with reverence. Your kids shouldn't lose the faith because of a solid reformed NO especially if your home life and their schooling is solidly catholic. But you do whatever you think the Holy Spirit is calling you to do.

@jaketate8329 Год назад

Hey Michael, thanks for the kind words and for watching! Yes, obedience is a virtue, but you cannot obey an unjust order. So for example, if you are told you have to go to this particular Mass that is rife with abuses, is usually illicit, and basically makes a mockery of the Blessed Sacrament, you would not have to obey that command. Cameron is talking about an extreme situation here, not giving blanket advice to disobey the hierarchy. Additionally, he said nothing about leaving the Church or adhering to a "schismatic group."

@erric288 Год назад

@@jaketate8329 Regarding the "schismatic group", I assume he is referring to the SSPX when speaking of illicit masses. A Catholic is not permitted to attend an illicit mass unless there is grave reason. Your local NO being banal is not a grave reason. Perhaps if somehow there were no other masses available at all, it could be allowed. The situation you describe, where one cannot find any mass free from objective abuses, seems quite unlikely (though I admit possible). However, this is not what Cameron was talking about. He said simply if the TLM was unavailable, he would not even attempt to go to any NO mass anywhere (he said he would be willing to move for the TLM), and would just go to an illicit mass. And this is not an extreme situation. I'm living it right now, and TC is aimed at the retiring of the TLM entirely. I doubt even Ecclesia Dei groups are safe. That's why the question was asked in the first place.

@philcortens5214 Год назад

With all due respect the Novus Ordo is slow poison made by its makers to water down the faith ostensibly to please Protestants. And where are all these Protestant converts to the Church anyhow?

@philcortens5214 Год назад

@@erric288 For the record, the SSPX is not now and never has been a schismatic group. But for the heroic efforts of the saintly Marcel Lefebvre who put the salvation of souls before a false obedience to a watered-down expression of the faith the TLM would for all intents and purposes have long passed into extinction.

@erric288 Год назад

@@philcortens5214 Obviously, we're going to have to agree to disagree here. I will maintain that the NO missae nor the GIRM contain any error that would lead anyone to sin. The NO is more than capable of producing saints. We can disagree about its components and argue how it could be reformed further, but we cannot say that it is intrinsically evil or that is leads the faithful to sin or is otherwise unsafe to attend. To clarify, when it comes to the SSPX, they reject doctrine established at Vatican II and, of course, the liturgical reform promulgated by Pope Paul VI. This puts them out of communion with the Church. You are probably right to say that, even after all these years, it is too early to say that a schism has been made. Certainly for those who fall off into Sedevacantism, it is clear. Rome has been quite clear that if the SSPX assents to the doctrine of Vatican II and the liturgical reform, they will be in communion. But I would argue that those in the Recognize and Resist camp are fooling themselves. There is nothing to "resist" within VII or the NO missae themselves. To resist these things is to argue that the church has defected, and then the slide into sedevacantism is natural. It seems to me that many, even in diocesan TLMs or in the Ecclesia Dei groups can be radicalized into following the "dissident-Traditionalist" path. And this is a dangerous thing for Church unity and why Pope Francis felt such urgency in publishing TC. You see, the concilium of modernists and the "dissident-Traditionalists" are two sides of the same coin. One too rigid, the other too flexible, both contradicting Church doctrine in favor of their own interpretations of what the Church ought to be.

@sandradsa1340 Год назад

I love you Henry Westen better than Taylor. You don't come across as an angry Catholic trying to sell his ideas of traditional Catholicism. Thank you for being a cool cat Traditional Catholic. Trad Catholicism is sooooo cool

@Mar--Mar Год назад

Sorry my dear, traditional Catholicism is not about being soooo cool, it's about carrying your cross. In fact, all of Catholicism is meant to be about that. Jesus said, If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. Jesus was not one of the cool crowd when He died on the Cross, He was despised, and abandoned even by most of His friends.

@sandradsa1340 Год назад

@@Mar--Mar All of Christianity is about the Cross and embracing and carrying it joyfully, my dear.

@Mar--Mar Год назад

@@sandradsa1340 And your point is?

@solibeata6642 Год назад

Was it NO like Mother Angelica Latin Mass

@philcortens5214 Год назад

Who are these loudest angry people in the room? If he means SSPX old-timers (like me) he should thank God that they spoke out and preserved the timeless treasure of the TLM so that young people could now discover it and be happy. BTW the internet hadn't even been invented in the 1980s when these people were supposedly loudest and angriest.

@loreforone924 Год назад

Thanks for keeping the Tradition.👍

@supersausage6319 Год назад

The new Mass is expressing a new and different faith. It is not Catholic. It needs to be rejected. We fight for Traditional Mass not because of personal preference. We reject it because we have no choice but to be faithful to the Faith of our fathers and Our Lord Jesus Christ. We are angry and we do complaint because it is only right to do so when Christ is being attacked by this heretical rite of New Masonic Order.

@mikethemonsta15 Год назад

If you want to be faithful to the faith of our fathers and Our Lord Jesus Christ, you should ordinarily attend the mass that Jesus Christ asks the Latin Rite of His Church to ordinarily attend: the ordinary form. Jesus Christ is head of the Church and has ordained the ordinary form of the liturgy. What has been bound in heaven is bound on earth. The ordinary form is ordained by the Church and therefore by Jesus Christ the head of the Church.

@dubarnik Год назад

There were too many supporters of the Latin Mass that were using it as a wedge issue. They tend to be against the Second Vatican Council, or in other words: rad-trad Catholics. It amazes me how confidently you speak as if you know what Pope Francis knows and thinks. Very arrogant of you.

@philcortens5214 Год назад

A wedge for what? What's their agenda? Meanwhile it amazes me how confidently you speak as if you know what "rad-trads" know and think. Very arrogant of you. Better to be rad than lukewarm.

@loreforone924 Год назад

Yeah, like we ALL can't see that Pope Francis is a Lutheran (at best).