Is Dwight Howard a Top-75 player of all time? Stephen A. and Kendrick Perkins debate | First Take 

Cause Damian Millard is better…duh…🤣🤣🤣 the list was interesting

cuz of a lot of factors

I agree. Bill Warton is a bad example though. Dame and AD ahead of Dwight to me is the more obvious problem.

plus nba championship with the lakers

@@jerryzheng7114 yeah AD only had like 2 playoff apperances in his 7 year career before Lebron recruited him and no real accolade, Dwight was 3-time DPOY, 5-time Allstar, 4 All-NBA First team, 3 All-NBA Defensive First team, 3 rebounding leader, 2 block leader and most importantly made it to the Finals facing botht the Celtics, Lakers and MVP Lebron in the same playoffs in that same 7 years, what did AD do?

- never like Dwight in ORL but yeah, he's a top 75 player. I'd take him over Klay Thomspon for Top 75.

What makes it so bad is that not only was he one of if not the best defender in the NBA during that run he was also putting up like 12 boards and 20+ppg so its not like he was a specialist he was genuinely one of the best all around players in the league.

Not true because Dennis Rodman made the list and he was a defensive player. Rodman only averaged over 9ppg ONCE in his career and wasn't really a rim protector. However, he was the best rebounding big in the modern era and his versatility on defense makes him legendary. There's still no way Dwight Howard doesn't make this list. It's all personal and recency bias to exclude him. Listen to SAS try to come up with a reason to include Klay over Dwight despite Klay never ever being the best player on his own team or having the individual accolades. People rightfully praise Klay's defense, but ignore that there wasn't a better defensive player in the league than Dwight for consecutive years?! Klay has ONE defensive team nod to his resume in 8 years (not counting last two seasons).

The reason why defense is not as respected is because offense is much more difficult of a skill. In basketball offense takes greater coordination. Every person who plays a lot of basketball is constantly working on their coordination. Defense takes desire and quickness but offense is what all players really respect.

Stephen a is right though most people who even are commenting on this never seen Bill Walton play

Take them, Carmelo and Kyrie off please. They had 76, that would make 72.. add Klay and Dwight for 74 and since they keeping a injury ridden Bill Walton on there, add Bernard King please...

@Clay McCain ion know bro... I can't see him being more dominate than Alex English, Adrian Dantley or Bernard... again with the injury ridden Bill Walton logic, how T Mac not there? I think he was more dominate than Carmelo ever was. I just never seen Carmelo as a factor, just a good player on a OK to terrible team. Did Chris Webber make it? At least he led contenders..

@@reodagreo7637 klay's good, but not top 75 good, maybe top 90+

@@lyhthegreat Name a better 3 and D shooting guard ever... from Sam Jones and Jerry West to now.. If James Worthy on there, Klay should be

I think Dame is only on this list because the media and the NBA wants to recognize he's already an all time great so that he can leave Portland. He needs to get some rings behind his name then he will be certified

I agree. Dame and AD need more.

Agreed

I'll put ad over him, but not dame yet

Preach. They are projecting them to be better but as of today Howard was better. I don’t think people appreciate how he has became a great role player. Not a lot of superstars can do that

Based on this logic Shaq shouldn't have been in the top 50 when they put him on

Dwight is definitely top 75 or at least close to it when looking at his resume, he’s got a bunch of accolades

Sorry but it's a hard list considering there's a lot of great player. The top 75 is based on their achievements and influence in the game. Let's be honest about that. I mean, can you imagine if you pick 2008-09 Dwight Howard and drop him on the court like a time machine, and let him play in 1960s with Kareem, Walton, Bill Rus & Wilt? Have you even seen how those player played in the 60s? Have you even compared Dwight Howard's physique over those players? You know what's the answer.

Thanks for making me laugh.

@@harveyscottz You're acting like we're putting him at the top of the list. No, he's towards the bottom but still top 75.

So do we supposed to forget about the years in Houston, Atlanta, DC etc.? Because those years are on his resume right?

Dude literally averaged a double double each year. An was the best center in the league

summer tournament winner***, but even without 2020-his resume was amazing in his prime. dwight shoulda been on there over AD easily

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol imagine those numbers being bad years gg. If Dwight would have stayed consistent with his playing after he left Orlando he would have easily been top 20 lol. The man overall career and accomplishments are better than Davis if we are talking about now. Idk how Davis is ahead of him lmao.

Dwight over AD all day

And the moment he left Orlando his career fell off a cliff. He was on 7 different teams in 7 years. His career is actually disappointing compared to the super star he was in Orlando. The fact that he was so special and his biggest accomplishments are 3 DPOY and 8 all star teams is actually disappointing. He was that gifted. He had the potential to be one of the best big men to ever play and even Shaq was intimidated by him taking his throne. He never developed a polished post up game. Never developed a go to post scoring move. As his athletic abilities started to decline that was it. He was so special of a talent his career is disappointing 100%. Anybody that has a bigger problem with Dwight not making this list over klay has problems.

@@NextLevelAutoDetail actually, it didn't. He was an all-star his only year with the Lakers and an all-star with Houston while making All NBA those first two years he left Orlando. Injuries curtailed his career. And regardless of what transpired, his resume, especially at his peak was better than many of the careers of those on the list. That includes AD, Dame, Rodman, Westbrick, Bill Walton, etc. 8x All NBA, and 5x All Defense, leading your team to the Finals as the only star, are not just hall of fame accolades, those are all time great achievements.

Best player in the game? Hold on man and put down the pipe. As great as he is, he wouldn't make top 20 centers of all time. Top 75 players however there's a case for Howard.

@@PQV-8898 At his peak, he was definitely the best center playing, and he was being discussed as the Best player in the game when he was playing, not all time. That was a legit argument. This is the same dude who was top 5 in MVP voting for 5 straight years. He should've beaten D. Rose if we are being honest. He's not in the top 20 centers of all time? Bruh, you sure about that? He's top 12.

Agreed

why is reggie miller on the list......

That's a great point! If a player is still in their early 30's, they don't need to be on the list, necessarily. Maybe this why AD and Howard got into a scuffle the other day, haha.

@@rowyourboat4331 U serious about Reggie?

@@just.do.something reggie miller should be taken off the list he is not a better player than tony parker, dwight howard or kaly thompson. His resume has been surpassed at this point

@@rowyourboat4331 Noooooooo way!!! I'm just curious, were you old enough to really watch Reggie play?

If the entire eastern conference was hurt and the top three players all ended up as magic players 😂

@@phantomn0kk279 excuses

@@allcinionexplainsitall5869 it’s a joke lighten up. All I said was the only way he could’ve possibly did it would have been if every other team was injured

@@phantomn0kk279 oh ok my bad

Why not??? Who on the Celtics with no KG or on the Cavs could stop AD with a bunch of shooters around him???

Facts

Yup I’ve been defending his peak for years!

I’d leave melo in the 70s but I wouldn’t have had AD or dame

Anthony Davis has accomplished 25% of what Dwight Howard accomplished

Lies.... all lies

I'll say it like Shaq did: "That man got 6000 points."

There a are plenty people on that list that should be taken off the list for Dwight Howard but Bill Walton isnt one of them .A qustion if u could only have 1 of 2 between Dwight Howard or Anthony Davis on the list who would u have ?????? Maybe when his career is all said and done it will be AD but right now id have DW .

Did you see Walton play?

Stephen A is totally right. Walton was that good and special and dominant. That said, longevity matters too. In most cases.

@@Gnofg Right. It doesn't matter how long his prime was. They clearly don't how great Walton and how it was enough to warrant top 75. People gotta stop bringing up Penny, Hill, Derrick Rose, etc. Had those 3 and other injury prone players won, they would without question be in the top 75 but they didn't unfortunately. And by win I mean in a dominant MVP, Finals MVP within a span of 2 year fashion.

I agree Gasol Tony Parker should have made it they got rings to back them up

Why klay? Because he’s the 3rd best player on a multiple champion? He’s been 3rd team all nba maybe once. Even Reggie miller made it 2-3 times

@Joe S winning rings while still being a very productive and valuable member of that team says a lot. Moreover when you're considered as the second best shooter in NBA history that says a lot as well.. Maybe recently Klay hasn't been as good ever since he missed those few seasons with horrible injuries.. but I would still consider his overall career being better than that of Damian Lillard.. I didn't mention anything regarding Reggie Miller because I do believe he deserves to be on that top 75.. he carried the Pacers to the NBA finals in the year 2000 and could have won an NBA championship had he not been during the Jordan era or that year he faced Kobe and Shaq in 2000

Damien Lillard and Klay

@Quick To Reason if Klay was on another team other than GSW don't you think he could have been a leader as well? Klay is not vocal but he definitely makes his presence felt on any team he's with.. Also I never compared Dwight and Klay.. I just said they both deserve to be on the top 75 last.. Dwight at his apex was a beast! So dominant and couldn't be stopped

Kind of hard to say he is being punished for the small market when Giannis, who is the face of the small market at this point, is on the list.

@@chriskay1449 different time

@@jpmercado8146 Not really. It wasn't that many years ago. Also the vote takes place NOW. They aren't going to cherry pick players to hold market size against. If market size is an issue, it is an issue for all players who played for one.

@@chriskay1449 lol not that many years ago? When was 04? When 2009? How many years? Do you think Dwight got as much coverage in orlando as greek freak does now? Yeah we are talking about now but dont discount the impact of social media and coverage now vs when dwight was at his best

@@chriskay1449 social media from 2004-2012 is nowhere near what it is today therefore team markets aren’t the same. And i like how you said it wasn’t that many years ago when clearly it’s over a decade

Agreed.

Damian still has several great years ahead of him. Honestly I would rather have Dwight over Melo than Dwight over Dame

@@SamuelJ888 u don’t know bball

Agreed

People just forget he was a top 5 player in his prime plus dude just won a title🤦🏾‍♂️

Pepehands Max

Im taking Igoudala

The fact that you consider Perk a great fit... already invalidates your CREDIBILITY bruh. 😂

Just did say max better 😂 u was going around it

@@jetgarcia8819 he works well with SAS and you're watching it 😭😭

Well the NBA removing physicality didn’t help…

Giannis is the last centre that won the NBA finals. He was playing the 5 the whole entire playoff run

Jokic

What perk do? 🤣

@@tuneunleashed They played him at 5 for mismatches, but he's listed on the roster as a 4.

Kember lmao

Walton gave Portland a chip and when we think he's done, he just won the 6MOY and a chip with the Celtics.

You have to give Dame credit for being 10th all-time in made threes, and he's actually higher ranked than Dwight in career WS/48, but you have to consider that Dame hasn't hit his decline yet, which will bring that number down some, and he's still got a ways to go to catch Dwight in accumulated stats.

@@mmortal03 your argument is Dame being 10th all time in 3s?? 😂😂 he came in the league when teams starter shooting more 3s than ever of course he’ll get there as a superstar shooting G. But his individual stats don’t even hold a candle to Dwight’s. How does a 1X All NBA first team player get in over a 5X 1St team player. That’s just the first question.

@@MoSuli96 No, re-read what I said. I'm putting Dwight above Dame, because Dame hasn't hit his decline yet, and still has a ways to go to catch Dwight in accumulated stats.

@@MoSuli96 there are a lot of great guards. There have been few good centers the past 15 yrs or so. It has become a weak, near obsolete position.

Facts but remember that was the year kg got injured and was out the whole season . It would've been boston vs lakers for 3 years if that didnt happen

And lost

So

Magic were a solid team with a good coach, I wouldn't exactly say carried.

@@goose0078 defensively he 100% carried them . SVG choked in the finals

Pau no, Tracy McGrady yes.

Pau never, T-Mac yes

@@ti8864Mcgrady was overrated 🤷‍♂️

Mcgrady doesn’t deserve. Besides a scoring title what has he really done? Nothing . Stop acting like he did something

@@bradleycloetingh9586that man never won a. Playoff series. Man

Did you see him play?

@@recinese Not live, but quite a bit of film. He was great. He stays on my list...but to each their own.

Ain’t no way same one their over Dwight, klay, Vince carter

Bill Walton is super overrated. He’s best known for his defense and Dwight is a better defender than bill

@@karanpunj6888 No way Klay

He’s had a better career than AD and Dame imo

I remember the 2010-11 SZN man he was BALLIN and a 2nd place in the MVP behind D🌹LIKE WOW❗

@@pemp9606 I totally agree dame and AD shouldn’t have been that list

He won rookie of the yr

@@danishasolomon6225 ad should be but not Dame Ad is one of the best pf of all time

exactly man no ones talking about this AD hasn't really done anything note worthy not enough to be on the list over dwight

AD deserves to be on there more than Dame at least he has a ring

@@persistentlypathetic6820 Manu and Tp9 deserve to be on there more then dame and AD

So are they going off SKILLS or what they done?

@@phenomfacemob1011 it should be over accomplishments and longevity Manu and TP have 4 rings and multiple all star and all nba teams 6th man list goes on.. AD and dame will never reach that level

😂you trippn

@@yungblackcat nowhere in this universe is Klay Thompson at his best, is better than peak Dwight Howard. It's not even close and you have to be on meth to believe that.

Klay is not top 75

I think Pau should've made it too. Not yet for Klay. Same for AD. Not saying you are, but anyone who's a Laker fan would know that Pau should be above AD, at least at THIS point in time.

@@atlien1988 they're so different its almost like a pitcher and a hitter. They can both be great but in different ways.

But they had to, anytime your hand deviated from the absolute top of the ball, it was a carry. Oscar was revolutionary with his use of the in and out dribble during this time. Later Earl Monroe, Pistol Pete and the ABA laxed these rules cause the NBA seen how the fans reacted to that 'hot dog' style of play (hint, it led to more money). Perk should've called out AD, Carmelo, Kyrie or Dame to replace with Dwight tho. Or called out his injury history and argued for Grant Hill, T Mac or Bernard King...

I agree. If Melo and dame how can you leave VC & T- mac. If Dominique Wilkins made the list cause of his dunks then VC was snubbed

The great loser Tracy shouldn’t even be top 100

Wilkins was better than both of them.

Multiple players were better than Carter. Grant Hill, Tracy McGrady, Bernard King, Chris Mullin, Mitch Richmond... were more skilled than Carter & had better stats. Carter was the greatest dunker maybe if all time, but many were more skilled than him.

I would leave McGrady because he didn’t have a great longevity and never made it past the first round as a number 1 option. And I also would leave our Vince

True but remember that the Eastern conference was a joke that year. That was the year when Delonte WEST was on the cavs and... Nevermind!

And don't forget about Rashard Lewis, Courtney Lee & Mickael Pietrus

@@TheEliWay Pietrus couldn't guard my mans Kobe hehe

@@Uzimacky current

@@TheEliWay lee and pietrus was decent everybody else was below average

I think he made it based a lot off of his personality and also his college career. I know him more for his time at UCLA than in the NBA and I’m 29 years old.

Because he has mvp and is two time champion

Exactly, Bill Walton gets credit on what he could've been, not what he actually was

Bill Walton has 6k points and 4k rebounds for his career, he never even had a season where he averaged 20 points a game. On the basketball reference website there’s a tab that list a players odds to make the hall of fame and Walton has a whopping 2% out of 100 😂

Because he's white... Duhhh!

Yeah that's the one, and i love Dame.

Get alone gang You can't hurt any reporters feelings during your career or else they won't vote for you

💯

Fax

Dame in, Anthony Davis out.

yeah tony parker and yao should also be included

Lol

THANK YOU!!! Can't stand her

@OMWTA: Black Pill Analysis & Advocation not nearly enough

🤦‍♂️

Molly loves perk lol

True i would put Alex English or Dantley over him at this point

@@US_ARMY_25_INF._DIV. nice! I agree. Alex English and Walt Bellamy are actually the biggest snubs in my opinion. Walt Bellamy has 21000 pts and almost 15000 rebounds for his career. I am very happy to see that they retroactively put Dominique and Bob Mcadoo on this list. But they should have added English and Bellamy over Anthony Davis and Damiam Lillard.

Klay over Lillard

I can name like ten guys over Dame and AD is top 100 it was too early for him.

@@US_ARMY_25_INF._DIV. say it again 💯

I mean he might not have seen it 🤷

They only care about blm and nba.

@@Oren0614 yeah you right maybe they go stop them

Why did you take it so literal! It’s an obvious exaggeration to get his point across 🙄

@@Oren0614 it’s a sports show that dabbles a Lil in current news. Also when black people make up & are dominating for the most part in NBA& NFL, BLM should be spoken about here and there.

Howard never developed an offensive game and that is why he struggles today. Dunking off a lob is not an offensive game. He had no consistent low post presence. He never developed a hook, turnaround jumper and a scoop. That is why he is not in the top 75.

@@Gnofg amen. Sort of an earlier D'andre Jordan.

@@Gnofg Your comment is wrong. Yes, Dwight might not have a very refined offensive game like a lot of those players chosen in the 75th anniversary team. But, there are a couple of players, with very limited scoring abilities on that team. There's jason kidd, who never had much of an scoring game. There's Russell westbrook, who has always depended a lot on his insane athleticism to score. Then there wes unseld, who most of the seasons he played scored less than 10 ppg. Let's not even talk about Dennis rodman, who averaged 7 ppg for his career. Now, there's a legitimate argument that howard is more deserving than AD, Dominique wilkins, Wes Unseld, Dennis Rodman, and some other players. At his peak, Howard was a legitimate franchise player, who could take his team to the finals as the best player on his team and in the discussion as most valuable player of the league. Probably 1/4 of that 75th anniversary team can not do that.

@@Amick44 d andre jordan was never in the discussion as the leagues best player. D andre jordan never got to the finals even with a stacked team. D andre jordan could not carry his team to the finals as the best player of his team. Howard carried his team offensively and defensively to the nba finals.

Skinny? He was 270 in his Orlando days

I have been saying the same. Dame hasn't even sniffed a finals....

AD as well

Dame knocked Dwight out the playoffs wit a clutch 3

@@docholiday1463 what team was Dwight on when it happened and was he prime Dwight or journey man Dwight?

@@EJ-gx9hl Houston Rockets and I think he was still a dominant force. Not like Orlando but at least he was a dominant big man

That’s stupid we not measuring character we measuring skill

Klay not top 75 due to him missing the last two years

@@Bama20512 due to him never being a top 10, never being a superstar, his resume is no where near all time great

Honestly his respect for klay and the splash brothers is what makes me like him the most

@@Carmelo-dame.time-Anthony You do have a point though. I didn’t realize it til someone pointed it out on Twitter. I automatically noticed Dwight not being on it. Hate to say it but I don’t know how Reggie Miller made it 🤷🏾‍♂️

@@Bama20512 bro Klay is arguable top 3 shooter of all time. Multiple all star, has 3 rings. Definitely deserves to be on the list

90%? Stop it.

Dwight never developed his offense and that is why he struggled once his athleticism left him. Dunking off a lob is not offense. offense is a consistent hook, turnaround and a scoop. He is one player who should have gone to college to learn how to play.

Exactly, he picked the one guy that actually might be better than Dwight 😂

Bill Walton averaged 18 and 12 during his peak. That's vucevic type numbers lol

He won't say Dame cause he's still playing. He'd be called out and/or be put on a diss track. But yeah, I'd remove Dame and Melo out of there to insert Dwight and Klay.

@@jeremiahsmith7706 he beat the 76ers in the finals bruh And won a ring on the Celtics he staying on the list 😤

@@gametimex3969 18 and 12 not enough. Man's only a 2x all-star

Perkins was a Celtic he knows the work bill walton put in. He just didnt wanna name any current players to be taken out due to backlash.

I agree AD and Dame should not be on that list. TMac and Vince, are definitely ahead of them.

@@CalvinAP no they aren’t. T-Mac never won a playoff series and Vince Carter is the biggest waste of talent and underachiever in NBA history. AD and Dame have accomplished more than both of those men despite their popularity.

Yea AD for sure

Plus walton was 6th man of the year with the celtics in 86....the best team in NBA history...

Honestly, I think it would make complete sense to have left off guys like AD or Dame who are still in their prime and added Dwight instead. They could have definitely made the 100 Anniversary team. The team that I expect Kyrie and Klay to make

@@josephhect5339 seeing as kyries career is potentially over does he even make 100? Ja and lamelo look like they’re about to have a nice next 10-15 years and who knows who else emerges. Dame being on the current list is insane though

@@Marding I mean, Kyrie himself said not to listen to the media saying that his career is over.

@@josephhect5339 he may not have a choice in the matter. Who is going to give him a large long term contract next year?

Top 5 players from 08-12: LeBron Kobe Wade Howard Duncan

DRose?

@@tjrose9830 it was tough for me to pick between Duncan, Durant or Rose for that number 5 spot but i ultimately chose Duncan because he was the proven guy with a lot of experience.

@@IamSSAINVINCIBLEx I would agree with you but top player is based on individual impact. Duncan at that time was more so team impact instead of individual impact. Duncan helped Parker and Ginobi to be what they was while DRose was the most talented PG in nba history during that time period.

@@IamSSAINVINCIBLEx Imho, it's neither Dwight nor Rose... Its Dirk.

Bruh, BK doesn't get any respect 💯

Bernard King definitely doesn't get any respect. He was one of the first players I saw who you could truly say was unstoppable. Growing up as a Sixers fan in the 80s,I personally witnessed him going off on us regularly for 40-50 points. And he made it look EASY. He was the definition of a scorer,he had a variety of moves,and could hurt you from anywhere on the floor.

@@chrisballard5743 Early 80s Sixers teams were great to watch, Dr. J was an icon.

Walton should be removed

Truth!

He is great

The first father of LeSweep in the Finals was TP9

And manu

Flash is a no brainer, he in that same room with Bird and Hakeem

D-Wade is great and all, but he's not top 15. It's arguable if he's even top 20. Way too many great players that have played in the league.

@@the757general2 Steph not better than Wade at his best, Steph may be greater, not better

Wade ain’t even top 20 dafuq

Facts only

KingCantona14 Howard couldn't score AD all day over howard

@@christiansoldier77 casual lol

@@kcalnek no you're the casual

@@christiansoldier77 yeah silly me for remembering that Dwight Howard had a career on the magic. Check the resume. Check the stats. Sit down little boy

This right here... Walton is FOR SURE worthy... AD has the same ring as Dwight, but dwight as all the other awards. AD's legady is nothing Dame has no ring, no scoring champion, no playoff success... man can shoot from the logo, but so what?

Pretty sure Dame is on this list because hes responsible for some of the best playoff moments in NBA history lol you can tell the NBA story without Dwight Howard hes a big...You leaving out Dame hitting a shot in PGs eyeball when you tell your kids about what you saw in 20 years? I dont think so lol yall look too much at the numbers and the accolades when impact also matters Dwight was fun loving but he didnt stand out he was a star never a Superstar he wasnt even the biggest FL Athelete at that time

Walton and Dwight are kinda similar in my mind both having had relatively short peaks. But Bill Walton accomplished more at his peak. Honestly I don't know about AD vs Dwight though. AD is way better offensively than prime Dwight, he has a championship he won in his prime which counts for a lot but when he was THE GUY in New Orleans he didn't have the team success Dwight had I'll grant. Nobody thought the Orlando Magic were gonna make the finals in '09, everyone thought LeBron vs Kobe was a foregone conclusion but he beat him and it was Dwight vs. Kobe.

@@P1P31150 Dame has carried his team to the second rd at least and has dealt with rebuilds on the fly. Like LaMarcus Aldridge leaving and others leaving. So Dame has a way better case than Anthony Davis. Walton is a lock 🔐 through it down big man lol. Kay and Dwight should be on

AD of course has a case against Dwight, AD is the much better player and won Dwight ring for him

Still doesn’t make him top 75

Lmao that don't make u a top 75 player.

Sorry SAS but Klay should probably be top 75 but dwight is a better player than klay. Klay is one of the best 3 pt shooters of all time and is a very good defender. But he cant carry a franchise like dwight did multiple times

Also, as a miami native and heat ultimate heat fan (tim Hardaway senior used to mow my great granddad's yard in chicago), I'm embarrassed that DZ a fellow heat fan made the original post

Yea but Tracy McGrady is arguably a top 2 scorer ever

Too bad he didn't cook enough to make it past the first round 😭

@@atlien1988 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣thats the tough reality

@@UndercoverSpill it's also hard to justify old players because there was actually a rule that forced players to dribble all stiff like they had been, not because they couldn't dribble more loosely.

The top 50 technically wasn't in tact. There was a big discussion about it on TNT because some on the original 50 didn't make it to the 75.

He had two to 3 good years. Two time all-star only. Ben Wallace better than walton

EVAH

Facts from a Blazers fan

Klay doesnt deserve it.

How does Klay get snubbed? His career averages aren’t that crazy good. 2 of the 3 rings he won were with an obvious championship team. He was 3rd fiddled to a team with KD and Curry both MVP players in their prime. Easily both top 5 in the league.

@@leokizzo3515 if you actually watch the video SAS explains why. but go ahead and copy paste espn headlines all over youtube

Klay is so overrated he’s not even a top 5 SG of all time. Kobe, AI, Jordan, Ray Allen, & Wade were all better.

Klay is great but not top 75 yet since all eyes are in Curry, I would have omit Carmelo and Dame in the list for Klay's spot

Klay is a great career three point shooter, but so are other players who didn't make the list. In overall advanced statistics, he's not even in the top 250! Look at career Win Shares and career WS/48, for example. Yes, he's 20th all-time in made threes, but, heck, look at a guy like Kyle Lowry, who people forget is 18th all-time in made threes *and* has had much better WS/48 compared to Klay. Klay will likely pass Lowry on all-time made threes and in total points if he returns to his past form, but it's not like Klay has shown some sort of dominance in combined metrics compared to other players. He's just been a very good scorer in today's game, but even on that measure he's not in the top 75 for points per game for his career.

@@mmortal03 i guess for Klay Im looking at the overall picture. In my opinion, hes a top 3 shooter of all time and he plays elite defense. On top of that hes a 3x champ whose team went to 5 straight NBA finals. I think I would easily take him over Melo and Lillard and Westbrook(ppl in his era)

Gshit Tmac was KD before KD

@@nellyville69 KD is much better

@@UndercoverSpill yet T-Mac in his prime couldn't even get past Baron Davis. He never made it out the first round of the playoffs

Kyrie? No.

@@cyberpsykoh6686 Kyrie yes... Especially when they add Damian Lillard... Kyrie has been in 3 straight Finals, has been performing exceptionally on all levels and was part of the only ring in Cleveland Cavaliers history, hitting one of the clutchest shots of all time... LeBron wouldn't win that ring without Kyrie (and the opposite as well)... Kyrie is also better individually than Lillard, since he is more efficient, better ball handler (on par with Iverson on that part), better defender... Only thing that lacks Kyrie to be on that list is stability...

@@jasonb97 I get that Kyrie is and will always be better than Dame. Dame doesn’t deserve to make it on this list too. Kyrie was actually a Damian Lillard type of player before Lebron’s return to Cleveland, putting up great numbers and achieving nothing. He hit a big time shot in the Finals and won a ring but that was it. What did Kyrie achieve after leaving LBJ’s shadows anyway? Nothing. He was still good but people expected more from him and yet, he failed to deliver. Then, Kyrie went crazy. But there’s no doubt that he’ll make it on NBA100. I’m not hating, just stating the obvious.

@@cyberpsykoh6686 I'm not here to judge what Kyrie should've or shouldn't have done with his career... But compared to Lillard, he is the least to say, a champion... And Lillard without a doubt has proven that he can't be a champion on his own (sad truth is, that only a handful of guards have done it as the first option on a championship team)... If Lillard had a player like LeBron, Giannis, Durant or Kawhi he would definitely be a champion like Kyrie... But even without the championship, Lillard only gains points with his leadership...

@@jasonb97 Man, Lillard actually had a lot of chances to leave Portland and find a better team for his career but he chose not to. So it’s all his fault for not playing with a legit superstar. He’s like Charlotte Kemba Walker and Minnesota KLove, putting numbers with no value.

Tmac never snif second round when he was in his prime, he aint top75

Don't forget Manu.

@@l.a.6337 tmac was neck and neck with kobe for a few a seasons there, as far as talent and athleticism. If it wasn't for injuries holding him back he'd be top 75 for sure and probably have a ring or 2

@@l.a.6337 Its not his fought.

Somebody’s gotta get left off. Ain’t no honorable mention

He's got a FMVP, a MVP and a 6th man of the year. That's a decent resume. What have Melo or Dame won to be considered over champions like Tony Parker or Klay?

Perkins shouldn't have said that about Walton. I'm too young but how can you say "disturbing" if you're from a different era, not to mention not born yet. That's why I don't really like GOAT debates or lists like that.

He was ALREADY ON THE LIST in 1997. They don't take off players and replace them with different ones. They ADDED 25 NEW players to the ORIGINAL 50. THIS LIST WILL NEVER CHANGE. ONLY BE ADDED ON EVERY 25 years. Now do I believe Bill Walton is a top 75 player of all time? Maybe not. But thats not how this list works. You cant be TAKEN OFF when you've already been PUT on the list 25 years ago.

@@johngregg2659 Sure but Perk doesn't care and debates as if his life depended on it. Maybe there are little ppl in his beard telling him what to say

@@johngregg2659 But the NBA has removed players from the 25 anniversary team though

Klay is not better than peak Dwight Howard, TMac, or Vince Carter

@@warblade044 well dame was in that list what does he did to get in there, some players in that list is a joke. And klay definitely deserves a spot.

@@warblade044 I’d honestly take Klay’s “Career” over Vince Carter and Tmac but not Dwight. Now is Klay really a better player than tmac? No he’s not

He's never been a MVP candidate, he has no hardware, less all NBA and defensive teams than DH. Klay is good but not top 75

Klay is so overrated. He’s not even a top 5 SG of all time: Jordan, kobe, AI, Wade, & Ray Allen we’re all better.

And he was in that discussion with Lebron and Kobe For Years. It makes no sense. These old timers are so petty

@@dedricklane4899 and how does westbrick have a case over dwight or even melo?? never been near to the finals nor the best player status 🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️

@@starwarsfan-ye9hw he went to the finals in 2012 and went to 5 conference finals. His 4 years of triple double and basically being the 2nd greatest stat accumulator behind Wilt Chamberlain. But like you there’s no way I take Westbrook over Dwight for my team.

@@dedricklane4899 it’s just ridiculous haha. don’t know what to say 🤯

dwight was on a team that built around him, and all he could do was get to the finals after defeating a Kevin Garnett-less Celtics. can't win a championship with Dwight being the #1 option. When he was on other teams that weren't built around him, he didn't know how to work in their system. If Dwight had High BBall IQ back when he was on the Steve Nash-Ron Artest-Kobe Lakers.... on paper they should've won. If Steve Nash has a problem with you.. you're the problem. The Magic team catered to Dwight, Dwight can't cater to systems that aren't built around him.