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@TolarianCommunityCollege
@TolarianCommunityCollege 4 года назад
You can all do me a huge favor! If you have not watch my interview with Magic: The Gathering's Head Designer, Mr. Mark Rosewater, please give it a watch here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vVrwnCNiqY8.html. The RU-vid apparently did NOT like the title WE chose (see for yourself and you'll see why....chuckle) but would really mean a lot if you watched if you have not already!
@shadogiant
@shadogiant 4 года назад
To be honest, it not being a more aggressive interview turned me off of it. Sorry to hear that the algorithm has dorked with you though.
@manuelfernandeztato2185
@manuelfernandeztato2185 4 года назад
So, totodile?
@notreallyhere67
@notreallyhere67 4 года назад
Watched it already, performed the necessary engagement rituals so that RU-vid can’t hide it....
@ikestoddard2458
@ikestoddard2458 4 года назад
Watched it. Appreciated it for what it was. Thanks for doing it!
@robertsunderman9534
@robertsunderman9534 4 года назад
@@shadogiant apparently he agreed to a more combative interview afterwards.
@TheRichardson711
@TheRichardson711 4 года назад
Someone needs to clip the bit where he says "I got other problems and I'll talk about them in a moment!". This encapsulates the professor perfectly.
@vinnythewebsurfer
@vinnythewebsurfer 4 года назад
It’s all good. Wizards wants to make shiny collectors pieces out of basic lands or cards that have been reprinted into the dirt or aren’t even played in commander? Have at it. But don’t you dare come at us with 400$ fetchlands promos and act like it’s reasonable.
@colerockman385
@colerockman385 4 года назад
This
@Dubi264
@Dubi264 4 года назад
This still seems too expensive for one of each basic to me, but yeah, there's no need to complain about this.
@matthiasjaschke1471
@matthiasjaschke1471 4 года назад
Calm down Dyrus
@LAmanafull6246
@LAmanafull6246 4 года назад
"It's your opinion to have"
@antonskor8127
@antonskor8127 4 года назад
Axel duh
@KillerKittyYT
@KillerKittyYT 4 года назад
I love how the Prof is using wizard's own logic and words against them.
@carnibucle
@carnibucle 4 года назад
Marcello Marrazzo you watch desolater magic?
@aeonblade64
@aeonblade64 4 года назад
@ Gyro sorrin damn goblins taking over zimbabwe
@KillerKittyYT
@KillerKittyYT 4 года назад
@@carnibucle I have not heard of them but will check them out
@ExImperialDragon
@ExImperialDragon 4 года назад
Desolator Magic is immature garbage. A broken clock is right twice a day, but he's a raving jackass all around the clock.
@briankuczynski6884
@briankuczynski6884 4 года назад
Desolatormagic is definitely a stopped-clock magic pundit. He itches for wotc to do idiotic things like ban 3 color decks because they are too good.
@elijahdavila3684
@elijahdavila3684 4 года назад
5 Lands with new art: "A little over $165" 5 Lands with new art: $30 "We at WOTC do not acknowledge the secondary market"
@Pistolsatsean
@Pistolsatsean 4 года назад
Elijah Davila dude but one of those is fOiL lAnDs... oh wait a second....
@Nykolara
@Nykolara 4 года назад
This is the perfect comment.
@Dareianrc36
@Dareianrc36 4 года назад
This 100%. Say it again for those in the back.
@briceripert6524
@briceripert6524 4 года назад
@@Pistolsatsean Yeah but you forgot one is full-art lands ! oh wait another second...
@nickcoupe2964
@nickcoupe2964 4 года назад
What about the DiSpLaY BoX?
@GallardoSE
@GallardoSE 4 года назад
"...and errect a firm manabase" showing the snow covered lands. Great!!
@samkojiro1010
@samkojiro1010 4 года назад
… an arousing success.” The prof had me laughing pretty good with that whole segment.
@christopherlundgren1700
@christopherlundgren1700 4 года назад
Humor like this really inspires viewer engorgement... I mean engagement.
@tsuchikarasu2
@tsuchikarasu2 4 года назад
I think humor like this is what has caused his subscriber count to become so swollen.
@timcoberley16
@timcoberley16 4 года назад
This
@mikeciul8599
@mikeciul8599 4 года назад
I see what you did there
@ymyolragequit
@ymyolragequit 4 года назад
Thats pure bling. Thats exactly what secret lairs should have done since the beginning.
@DarkRattlehead
@DarkRattlehead 4 года назад
"We do not officially acknowledge the secondary market" *proceeds to litteraly sell a Bitterblossom and 4 tokens*
@redstonepro5412
@redstonepro5412 4 года назад
Not OFFICIALLY because than they would be affected by the gambling laws They can not aknowlege it
@bobby45825
@bobby45825 4 года назад
@@redstonepro5412 Sure, but if you dragged them into court, what's their excuse for why they priced the fetch lands significantly higher than the other 2 secret lairs? You can't just say "just because" because that's a fucked up precedent and, ultimately, they say on their boosters that the cards are worth .05 cents each and all of their lands cards are same in purpose: to play the game. I'm certain a lawyer could start whipping up something from this video if they REALLY felt like pressuring wizards to openly answer some of these questions, or perhaps even Hasbro.
@dago6410
@dago6410 4 года назад
@@bobby45825 Couldn't their 'courtroom excuse' be just 'our analists predicted this will be a highly demanded product therefore its just much more expensive because of that and only because of tht? European here, no idea how american legal system works, so thats why im asking :DDDDDDD
@bobby45825
@bobby45825 4 года назад
@@dago6410 Then the prosecuting lawyer could ask what the analytical process was that was used to determine the price. EVENTUALLY wizards would be forced to acknowledge the secondary market or be accused of price gouging.
@dago6410
@dago6410 4 года назад
@@bobby45825 Wouldn't the huge usage of these in official tournaments be kind of enough of a reason? IDK for me the whole problem is hilarious and im totally on the Wizards' side (not from the legal stand point, as i dont know ur legal system at all, but from a 'moral' point of view they do nothing wrong IMHO. Its their fucking product, and its not something you NEED to survive lol ;/ And also they are not making the secondary market prices go down and that is a good thing as people selling these would be hit by such a drop of prices, and THESE are the people who actually matter, as its their job. Its not ur job to play this game most likely, and you can really survive without a fetchland. Just stop playing magic or play some pauper stuff or something, jeees. :D
@LeviClay
@LeviClay 4 года назад
Really glad to see this Prof - I've mentioned it in the past and I know that you're running a business so making money is important. Holding WotC's feet to fire can't be great for your relationship with them - but you're here for the consumer, not the company. My trust is restored.
@justinm5605
@justinm5605 4 года назад
I love that you used this to say again that Secret Lair Fetches was a terrible thing. Keep fighting the good fight Prof
@PiroMunkie
@PiroMunkie 4 года назад
WotC: Let's create two secret lairs containing reskins of lands, one priced at almost $200 and the other at $30. Also WotC: tHe SeCoNdArY mArKeT dOeSn'T eXiSt
@tesseygo
@tesseygo 4 года назад
For almost 200 you mean 400?
@MINECRAFT-uu8zp
@MINECRAFT-uu8zp 4 года назад
doggo poggo wizards intention was a bit over $165.
@elijahdavila3684
@elijahdavila3684 4 года назад
There's literally no defending this. Both had new art, same number of lands, same cost to print.
@crazykhespar8487
@crazykhespar8487 4 года назад
@@MINECRAFT-uu8zp And its release price was $400.
@MINECRAFT-uu8zp
@MINECRAFT-uu8zp 4 года назад
Crazy Khespar obviously
@bestnumberever73
@bestnumberever73 4 года назад
"... with the Johto starters!" Proof that the Professor is a man of taste.
@kereminde
@kereminde 4 года назад
Eh, I'll keep my Kanto Krew. ... don't judge me, I was a much younger person when I named them that.
@nosrin1988
@nosrin1988 4 года назад
Agreed, Johto is best.
@Aedi
@Aedi 4 года назад
@@kereminde Kereminde's Kanto Krew?
@user-et3xn2jm1u
@user-et3xn2jm1u 4 года назад
With the johto starters, but tape a picture of Ampharos over Chikorita :)
@DiegoDeschain
@DiegoDeschain 4 года назад
@@user-et3xn2jm1u YOU TAKE THAT BACK. "It's okay, Chikorita, don't listen to what that mean man says" *hugs*
@pytawidmo
@pytawidmo 4 года назад
The math is simple, the development and production cost of Fetchlands is obviously much higher than basic lands because it includes: * 4 lines of rules text - $5 per line, $20 per card * holo-stamp at the bottom - $4 per card * removing foiling so that they don't curve - $5 per card * bigger box - $25 = total of $170 difference
@ChaseSpec
@ChaseSpec 4 года назад
well played
@drazi3356
@drazi3356 4 года назад
Maximum effort for maximum rekt!!
@mazzacanem5987
@mazzacanem5987 4 года назад
5$ for 1 line Text ?? Wtf
@nathanfriedman7367
@nathanfriedman7367 4 года назад
So a non-foil Yargle is worth $30. Glad I bought 70 of them.
@ringod123
@ringod123 4 года назад
Wizards: "Buy these 5 non-foil lands for only $300", 2 weeks later, "Hey guys here's 5 foil lands for $30", "What secondary market?"
@RealGairos
@RealGairos 4 года назад
WotC doesn't officially recognize the secondary market because that would essentially be them admitting that boosters are gambling, which they've been fighting forever. Can we please use the secret lairs as legal evidence and throw the book at them?
@xAnonymousss
@xAnonymousss 4 года назад
@@RealGairos These secret lairs are as official as it gets for them to not be officially recognizing the secondary market XD.
@oscarremus2083
@oscarremus2083 4 года назад
We need to stop demanding them because that drives the price and assures that they have a reprint equity on those fetches. Picture this 6 months of quiet in forums, reddit and even youtubers. MTG Online without a single fetch in their decks and even after this pandemic we start playing without fetches. Wizards will reprint these lands at an unprecedented rate to reignite that desire for these lands. I have my full collection on these and I could care less if they went down in value. I just want people to be able to play and enjoy the game at an affordable level. If I spend $100 on upgrading the deck I dont want half that budget to be one land or two lands.
@RealGairos
@RealGairos 4 года назад
@@xAnonymousss I do not respect the opinion or character of anyone who says 'XD' unironically. Not to mention you are straight up wrong.
@ringod123
@ringod123 4 года назад
@GamerBear Actually it would (or at least should) as the price a company pays WOTC for a case of fetch lairs compared to a case of godzilla lairs is WAAAAY different. The only reason they "dropped" having MSRP's was for this exact loophole. Same reason it has a big box and wasn't purchasable direct, using loopholes to get around the fact they use and recognise the secondary market on a daily basis.
@metalvisionsongcontest7055
@metalvisionsongcontest7055 4 года назад
Well, that calls for a slight update of an old Friday Nights scene: Matt from LRR: "Did you know Magic had layers?" Alex from LRR: "Yes - it's a deep game." Matt from LRR: "No, lairs..."
@snakeman830
@snakeman830 4 года назад
This reminds me, I'm genuinely surprised that Ikoria didn't see the printing of wedge Lairs, since we have the apex predators.
@shataraterevar
@shataraterevar 4 года назад
They had them for some time... scryfall.com/card/pls/138/dromars-cavern :P
@snakeman830
@snakeman830 4 года назад
@@shataraterevar those are shards, not wedges
@frosty980
@frosty980 4 года назад
Wondering when we’ll get the “sword of-“ secret lair for $299.
@a.velderrain8849
@a.velderrain8849 4 года назад
Secret Lair: Masterwork Armory All 7 Sword ofs in non-foil but new not extended artwork, plus if you buy all the secret lairs in that month's bundle, you get a Sword of the Animist! Only $299.99* *may be $600 on the secondary market.
@dudemcfurgusson7179
@dudemcfurgusson7179 4 года назад
@@a.velderrain8849 *Sword of Dungeons and Dragons
@TwicebakedJake
@TwicebakedJake 4 года назад
You can hear the disdain and tiredness is Prof's voice. He's so tired of MTG bullshit. 😂
@sankethbhaskar4236
@sankethbhaskar4236 4 года назад
But he gave it an A- lmao 🤣
@DarthTUK
@DarthTUK 4 года назад
But aren't you also tired of it?
@sankethbhaskar4236
@sankethbhaskar4236 4 года назад
No... I love magic and I love that we're getting all these secret lairs for more sweet art. I think the Prof wanted to reiterate the issues with Secret Lair Ultimate Edition, but it seems his general opinion on Secret Lairs (the print to demand kind) is positive.
@LykoticState
@LykoticState 4 года назад
@@sankethbhaskar4236 Exactly my thought. I've bought three of them: Killer Kaleidoscope, Year of the Rat, and Int'l Woman's Day (traded Narset and Oona recently of that set) and did highly debate buying all the Theros gods but passed (same w/ Thalia as I liked the artwork, etc. but don't play Modern). If it something I want at what I consider to be a fair price I will buy it; however, if it isn't something I want at the price I won't. I like having the options available and getting something fun when I have the opportunity. Note: Since I am not a fan of Godzilla stuff really I'm 100% okay passing on this
@Yous0147
@Yous0147 4 года назад
@cak01vej I see that viewpoint, but personally, I wouldn't have given it an A- even without the overall implications of it all. The set is purely aesthetic sure, but there's still value to aesthetic, and 30 bucks for only 5 lands is still a steep price, despite the artwork on those cards. Not only is the product expensive for what it brings of value, but it is also likewise inflexible in that you can only buy all 5 colored lands together and for a full playset you could "need" up to 10 to 20. So yes I agree with the prof's point on aesthetic absolutely being fine to monetize when reprints are present to a large degree, but beyond that, there's still grading the product for what it is and what it brings to the table for someone interested in the product.
@ringod123
@ringod123 4 года назад
This is what secret lairs should be, stupidly expensive versions of regular cards everyone already has access to. Purposefully not reprinting good cards so then you can gouge people's eyes out for them in secret lairs will always be BS coporate greed that will only ever distance players.
@GrrizLee
@GrrizLee 4 года назад
I completely agree that this is what Secret Lairs should be. Tho, I would like it if 5 lands weren't stupidly expensive to the tune of $30 - the "premium" markup just seems too high (to me at least). I'd love to have the premium cards that interest me, just can't justify spending $30 on 5 cards that I could get for a $0.25
@kangamagic1206
@kangamagic1206 4 года назад
No. Secret Lairs should contain reprints to drive prices down of expensive staples.
@ringod123
@ringod123 4 года назад
@@kangamagic1206 I disagree, expensive staples should always be printed in standard/commander/modern sets.
@johnbunceiii2668
@johnbunceiii2668 4 года назад
@@kangamagic1206 Except that's not how it works. Secret lair, having the printrun it does as well as the alternate art, won't drive the price down at all. Only reprints in a set do that.
@Aedi
@Aedi 4 года назад
@@johnbunceiii2668 limited prints can have a minor effect, but it's not a solution. I'm fine with them using secret lairs to print of premium versions of whatever cards they want, if, and only if, they're at least doing something to make sure that card has a healthy price.
@ProtomanBlues87
@ProtomanBlues87 4 года назад
"with the Johto starters" Clearly the professor is a man of good taste.
@SomeYouTubeTraveler
@SomeYouTubeTraveler 4 года назад
"This just in... announcing Secret Lair: Ad Cards! All the ad cards you know and love, from the entire history* of Magic: The Gathering. $49.99 for 5 foils with brand new art, for one day only!
@coreyroberson4550
@coreyroberson4550 4 года назад
@Nick Fanchette Definitely the ad cards for the movie The Sorcerer's Apprentice. That was a brilliant piece of cross promotion with an epic, unforgettable film!
@cashcat4lyfe822
@cashcat4lyfe822 4 года назад
Im a fan of the tip cards from worldwake and Zendikar. I'd be in for those bad boys
@brittanynguyen3794
@brittanynguyen3794 4 года назад
Jackson Stein 500 dollars is realistic.
@stevekeenan9673
@stevekeenan9673 4 года назад
Right.... Like foil thing in the ice flip card placeholders, cities blessing, energy token, or secret lair token foils
@AnarchoLoserist
@AnarchoLoserist 4 года назад
I'm so frustrated with this because I really like the art, I just think 30.00 is too much for a single copy of each land.
@Dubi264
@Dubi264 4 года назад
Unless I'm running a 5 color deck I would rarely even see them. So silly to do one of each like that.
@camerinbrummett6511
@camerinbrummett6511 4 года назад
Fully agree. If it was a playset of each for $30, that would actually be worth considering
@fernandobanda5734
@fernandobanda5734 4 года назад
Yeah. It's not fair to say "If it's optional, it's not too expensive." I mean, it is, because people can sell whatever they want, but it doesn't mean the product is not overpriced.
@Fleato
@Fleato 4 года назад
Then the blind is not for you. I like expedition fetch lands but can't afford them. But I can afford basic fetch lands. So thats what I have.
@zachariahpoltergeist4516
@zachariahpoltergeist4516 4 года назад
Wow, I honestly thought there was a playset of each. A single copy? Sadly, pass. (I know "playset" doesn't really apply to basic lands, but you know what I mean)
@mottzilla2
@mottzilla2 4 года назад
I'm a huge fan of Godzilla but I can't support this. Give us a 20 of each land and I don't want them foiled.
@aaronalper8399
@aaronalper8399 4 года назад
“ Erect. Firm...a rousing success.” I sense some snow-covered ribaldry!
@jamestrevelyan1268
@jamestrevelyan1268 4 года назад
Still haven’t received my Secret Lair Stargazing several months after ordering it. What’s even crazier is that I also got the Thalia SL, and that arrived just fine - and that was on sale a MONTH after Stargazing!
@Vivicakes101
@Vivicakes101 4 года назад
I've gotten every lair after theros and have received all but theros.
@drazi3356
@drazi3356 4 года назад
Tbh man im pretty sure a class action lawsuit could be filed
@brandonpearson6751
@brandonpearson6751 4 года назад
I still haven't gotten my stargazing lair yet and what makes it even more annoying is that I was able to order the lair art Iroas and Kruphix off CardKingdom and they still got here before my lair is even supposed to ship
@seanyounce6956
@seanyounce6956 4 года назад
It is about time you just came out and said it. Good for you. Wizards DO abuse the secondary market and legitimate legal action should be taken. There is blatant proof of their scumminess and abuse, and they need to be held accountable.
@curstdragon
@curstdragon 4 года назад
I went looking for what the potential litigation would entail for these products and couldn't find anything that would lead me to believe a lawsuit would even be considered by any court. Can you explain what you think would be the basis of the suit?
@seanyounce6956
@seanyounce6956 4 года назад
Something along the lines of insider trading? They literally create the demand for their products and then price them based on that demand. It's as close to insider trading as loot boxes are to aggressive gambling/ child predation
@enricomassignani
@enricomassignani 4 года назад
I don't think what they are doing is inherently illegal. What we CAN do, as costumers, is refusing to buy this artificially overpriced products.
@PiroMunkie
@PiroMunkie 4 года назад
I've said it once, and I've said it twice, and I've said it time and time again: If Secret Lair was a monthly "loot crate" for like $19.99 or maybe $24.99 max containing at least 5 fun cards with custom art, I would subscribe in a heartbeat. As it stands I still refuse to buy a single Secret Lair because the current business model is just so greedy.
@Frank-dq3dk
@Frank-dq3dk 4 года назад
I would be interested in buying some of the Secret Lair if they weren't short time offers. I don't like that I would have to go through third party resellers instead of being able to order the ones I like straight from Wizards.
@TitaniumLegman
@TitaniumLegman 4 года назад
Thanks for continuing to do these very critical videos Prof. We need people like you in the community, who have the reach and the presence that you do, to speak out on our behalf. Best of luck out there.
@provolonepop
@provolonepop 4 года назад
That bit at the end... love it. Professor really knows how to sting where it hurts while mantaining his composure
@dannyzep92
@dannyzep92 4 года назад
Secret lair is exhausting
@xChikyx
@xChikyx 4 года назад
wait, according to the guy of the fetch lands, shouldnt they cost like $400? I mean, new art commision are expensive, right? and these are full art, which means twice the art...
@HarryBuddhaPalm
@HarryBuddhaPalm 4 года назад
They aren't painted directly on the fucking card.
@smoothmiles24
@smoothmiles24 4 года назад
@@HarryBuddhaPalm r/wooosh
@antonskor8127
@antonskor8127 4 года назад
Routinetrafficstop indeed loool
@Big_Dai
@Big_Dai 4 года назад
Yeah, they can't hide their face behind their stupid lies anymore
@maelstromcarl
@maelstromcarl 4 года назад
I like the homage to Community. Garrett: CRISIS ALERT! CRISIS ALERT! You even nailed the tone he used in his voice. You make great content as always! And it's great to find out you are also a Community fan :)
@mondzior9
@mondzior9 4 года назад
Thee reviews are getting better and better, great job Prof!!!!
@justgreatmagic
@justgreatmagic 4 года назад
I love, love, love Godzilla. My Saturday afternoons growing up we’re all about this wonderful creature. But I will never pay for these lands which should have simply been included in booster packs.
@christophermichaelheadrick9225
@christophermichaelheadrick9225 4 года назад
Scott Fridinger dame man but it just hurts that something that should have been pulled in a pack is now almost the price of a damn bundle or 1/3 of a box for 5 basic lands. I love Godzilla A LOT but that is hard to justify.
@leckermadchen3727
@leckermadchen3727 4 года назад
New secret lair alert! worth watching for it everytime
@Chaosgod105
@Chaosgod105 4 года назад
Thank you Prof for another fantastic video! I love your videos because they go in-depth not just about the product but also the problems WotC has with how they market and print certain cards. You are slowly becoming my favourite MTG RU-vidr and I am glad I joined this Community College.
@danieldensel3633
@danieldensel3633 4 года назад
Loving the beard! Keep the great content rolling! Very much has helped a new player like myself.
@Nonexistanthuman
@Nonexistanthuman 4 года назад
I see Tolarian CC post a video. I click :) Loving how the hair is coming back in. I like godzilla so id only get em for that. But who knows whats the future for the secondary market.
@magiccop3588
@magiccop3588 4 года назад
Still haven't received my Theros Stargazing secret lair bundle that I ordered back in FEBRUARY.
@dannewhall5256
@dannewhall5256 4 года назад
I love the content of these videos, but what got me was the "Secret Lair Alert!" floating prof heads in the beginning. Love when he has fun with the editing of these!
@digitialkonnections9954
@digitialkonnections9954 4 года назад
Very good dissertation on the underlying motives of Secret Lair.
@JeepusChrystler
@JeepusChrystler 4 года назад
"Is it worth it to buy five basic lands for $29.99?" "No!" [The Professor then ends this five second video with the Looney Tunes ending theme]
@darkobiwan
@darkobiwan 4 года назад
5 full art foil lands at $6 each is pretty worth it. These will go up. Just a quick search, a full art foil NM Plains is $30.
@Benkenobi8118
@Benkenobi8118 3 года назад
No(!). FFS. I can load up at my local shop for free. I hate that lands cost more than the actual business part of the deck in today's magic. At least I can still build a good 25 dollar deck with a couple of cheap rares and solid utility cards...
@501stspartan
@501stspartan 4 года назад
I have not received my Theros Gods Secret Lair collection yet
@spicytrans_cupcake554
@spicytrans_cupcake554 4 года назад
Me either, im also waiting on my thalia replacement
@jamestrevelyan1268
@jamestrevelyan1268 4 года назад
Same here. I ordered Gods and Thalia, and for some bizarre reason, Thalia has arrived even though it got put on sale a month later. Getting pretty fed up at this point.
@rustblade7
@rustblade7 4 года назад
Same here. I kinda want a refund at this point.
@Big_Dai
@Big_Dai 4 года назад
I didn't know this was a problem.. ugh
@501stspartan
@501stspartan 4 года назад
Nick Fanchette I believe it is. One of my friends ordered specific gods and got his in early March, I ordered all 15 and only got the MTG area code which I do not care for.
@nicholasschreck713
@nicholasschreck713 4 года назад
Great video. Still making wonderful points and acting like our magic union representative. Love it!
@nickmominee9432
@nickmominee9432 4 года назад
That new secret lair alert intro was hilarious. Definitely do something in that style again. Keep up the good content!
@TolarianCommunityCollege
@TolarianCommunityCollege 4 года назад
On it!
@ReplayStation
@ReplayStation 4 года назад
7:59 YES!! I've been saying this since Secret Lairs were first announced. WOTC is absolutely in on their own secondary market. It's cardboard insider trading.
@enricomassignani
@enricomassignani 4 года назад
At least the original secret lairs were premium versions of cards that were relatively easy to obtain, aimed at fans of a specific theme (goblins, cats, Theros Gods,...) The Ultimate Secret Lair is aimed at tournament players and clearly a ploy to exploit the secondary market. I dont have $400 to spend, but if I had, i would outright REFUSE to buy it.
@ringod123
@ringod123 4 года назад
Honestly if Wizards wanna keep going like this in the future fine, but surely the gambling and trading standards agencies need to be involved now.
@jodajoda2863
@jodajoda2863 4 года назад
Yeah, I'd like to hear them justify this price and not mention the secondary market. If they want to play stupid games, they're gonna win stupid prizes.
@dandiaz19934
@dandiaz19934 4 года назад
Wait can you elaborate? This is interesting
@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche4303
@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche4303 4 года назад
They wont be involved. Where is the gambling here?
@ringod123
@ringod123 4 года назад
@@dandiaz19934 They have to have the public line that they "do not recognise or act based upon the secondary market" to not be classed as gambling, only through the secondary market can certain cards be classed as more expensive than others, otherwise every time you buy a pack you are gambling on getting a card that is worth more than what you paid or not.
@k0olmini11
@k0olmini11 4 года назад
Very very very fair assessment, not what I expected.
@ericfranklin1802
@ericfranklin1802 4 года назад
Thanks Prof. You and Mitch helped me get back into Magic years ago without destroying my finances while also supporting my LGS’
@MegaNinjaSkill
@MegaNinjaSkill 4 года назад
It's called I'm gonna proxy all of them
@NitoSky
@NitoSky 4 года назад
Professor: "You do not in any way, however small need to purchase this to play any version of the game" *2 days later* Wotc: "We are proud to announce the replacement format for Modern and Pioneer called *The Godzilla Format* the rules are simple you are forced to use cards with alternate Godzilla art IF they were ever printed"
@instiva8760
@instiva8760 4 года назад
A replacement for Modern and Pioneer? Oh, you mean Companion
@GumballMachinery
@GumballMachinery 4 года назад
The phone he pulls out at 4:17!! I remember those things! 😂
@pjpettis7064
@pjpettis7064 4 года назад
I must say, I am very pleased to see proph look at this objectively, and from what i have seen, objectively every time no matter what the product is and no matter how much he likes or dislikes it. Many people i have seen review various different products talk about how they feel about it from an emotional point of view rather than an objective one. It is always refreshing to watch proph and see his point of view based of of stats and facts no matter how corny the presentation 🤣🤣 Thanks proph! Keep it up!
@Alex2626GS
@Alex2626GS 4 года назад
I’ve never bought any of the Secret Lair products and I don’t intend to in the future. I don’t find them necessary and it feels like a quick money grab.
@snakeman830
@snakeman830 4 года назад
I bought 2 of the first 5: Kaleidoscopic Killers (because Sliver Overlord alone was worth it for cost) and OMG kitties, because I liked the art.
@bryanlim9817
@bryanlim9817 4 года назад
because it IS a quick money grab.
@Rizon1985
@Rizon1985 4 года назад
It's actually a slow money grab. A lot of effort goes into cards that get produced in small numbers and that's also where the price comes from. The artist wage cost has to be paid by selling a lot fewer cards and the production of only a few sheets is also a lot more costly for each card produced. So why do it that way? It makes their product line wider which they do to stop their continuous revenue drops. They could mass produce these and sell for normal prices. But then it would eat away from the other regular products they are already selling. Their big revenue comes from the regular products but they want more more more more. So if short term thinking about revenue is the only goal, it makes sense to add those "high-end" products for buyers who will also already be buying the mass produced products.
@endersblade
@endersblade 4 года назад
I bought the one with Reaper King, Sliver Overlord and Ur, because I will actively use them and enjoy the artwork. Other than that, they've all just seemed grossly overpriced to me, and blatantly pointing out that WotC is basing them off of the second-hand market. I really hope someone files legal action for this at some point.
@EvilGenius007
@EvilGenius007 4 года назад
"A rousing success" "A rousing success" "A rousing success" "A.rousing success"
@cetx
@cetx 4 года назад
This is a great analysis of how these lairs can be appropriate products. Well done!
@152Deadpool
@152Deadpool 4 года назад
That title is the most hilarious video title of any mtg related video of 2020. Well done sir
@olgaomen957
@olgaomen957 4 года назад
Can the "Oh yeah, it's money" bit be turned into a GIF for everyone to use, all the time, every day?
@SuperMrAwesom
@SuperMrAwesom 4 года назад
Edit: In my opinion, the collector booster packs is where set related premium content should be. EVERY collector booster pack should come with a foil godzilla land. As a godzilla fan and artist viewing these as a limited-release collectible pieces of art rather than just run-of-the-mill basic lands? Big yes.
@UltimateHogFanatic
@UltimateHogFanatic 4 года назад
I'm all over this lair. My 14 year old has been a huge G-fan since he was 5 (started with the original toho movies). He came to mtg much later (a couple months before guilds of ravnica came out), but now that these two worlds have come together, he will absolutely flip. I have up to this point been able to keep him off the interwebs and in the dark to the whole Godzilla guest appearances. We have planned a family pre-release event since covid has shut our (along with every other) lgs down and the reward will be a box topper. Letting him win will be hard, as we are all very competitive, but his reaction will be priceless.
@hotfiremtg180
@hotfiremtg180 4 года назад
Good video, and a very fair evaluation as always!
@TolarianCommunityCollege
@TolarianCommunityCollege 4 года назад
Cheers!
@kbloSnack
@kbloSnack 4 года назад
50 basics with godzilla on them and I would go "eh, I guess"
@KC_Enthusiast
@KC_Enthusiast 4 года назад
They're something that's incredibly accessible, just a fancy version for those who want it. If you're into it, then yes! If not, then no.
@Areinu
@Areinu 4 года назад
@baerleon With fetches the chance increases a lot. Fortunately they just made perfect product for you, called Secret Lair Fetches(or whatever they wanted to call it). Get 4 copies of that and your 30$ Godzilla lands will appear in basically every game!
@daseinoseven4514
@daseinoseven4514 4 года назад
Well done, Prof. You nailed it.
@christophergrace7479
@christophergrace7479 4 года назад
I will certainly be getting these. My son is a huge Godzilla fan and loves Magic. Perfect combo!
@SouixWarrior01
@SouixWarrior01 4 года назад
"Baby Yoda Enlightened Tutor" Don't give WOTC any ideas XD
@lebbrin
@lebbrin 4 года назад
Hey.. I'd buy it. ;)
@DeviilReaper
@DeviilReaper 4 года назад
Im still waiting for my secret lairs for International Women's day and the Stargazer one.
@boneroxo
@boneroxo 4 года назад
Another great video. Thanks!
@Archytas-Leroy55
@Archytas-Leroy55 4 года назад
Hey. I love ypur channel. Just found it recently. I just got back into MTG when my son told me about Commander format. Funny I first started playing it when he was first born. (1993 Revised) Now he likes playing with me.
@andreazoccatelli8912
@andreazoccatelli8912 4 года назад
Next Secret Lair: Baby Yoda Edition.
@protobraid2327
@protobraid2327 4 года назад
Baby ya ya bings
@sylviealexandra4218
@sylviealexandra4218 4 года назад
Imaging if wizards actually tried to make the game better, playable, and accessible
@kereminde
@kereminde 4 года назад
I was going to make a post about how it's playable and accessible the way it is, but I realized instead: Many players don't actually want the game to change that way. In my experience, the people who go out to local stores to play in FNM or Prereleases are far more interested in "looking cool". And people who stick to the kitchen tables or "game nights" generally just want to have fun drinking sodas and throwing out junky decks because it's fun to play some multiplayer and beat up on the first person to start whining the words "mana screw".
@Yous0147
@Yous0147 4 года назад
It's incredible really. Just incredible how the game is still alive and thriving despite how the wizards have continuously decided to monetize their game this way. I think, beyond anything, it's a testament to the passion from the players of the game as well as the designers that it is still running, because frankly for something so absurd to be able to happen again and again and still getting sold out, the passion has to be huge and immovable, lol.
@AscendtionArc
@AscendtionArc 4 года назад
Well said. It says a lot for your integrity that you can make this kind of honest stand on lairs.
@JadeEyeland
@JadeEyeland 4 года назад
This is some serious tea professor, I really respect your integrity!
@reapersaurus
@reapersaurus 4 года назад
What's this TCC video so early this morning! :) Man, Wizards' greed is just insane nowadays. BASIC LANDS for $30?! I...... just can't even....
@malmasterson3890
@malmasterson3890 4 года назад
They're exclusive foil lands with godzilla art on them. If you don't want them, don't buy them. They literally don't change anything, they are just a novelty for anyone who wants them.
@caex
@caex 4 года назад
The snow one was the same price and as The Professor showed, the Island alone is going for the price of what the drop was. These will probably be the same
@antoniobush4560
@antoniobush4560 4 года назад
Nathan Hale not really, these are basic lands therefore are practically unplayable in all nonstandard pioneer formats. Snow lands were already kinda premium and blue is the best color of magic therefore the snow lands were expensive
@mrtnkrlv
@mrtnkrlv 4 года назад
no
@yyeahsure
@yyeahsure 4 года назад
thanks for watching!
@mrtnkrlv
@mrtnkrlv 4 года назад
lol
@nleis5978
@nleis5978 4 года назад
You are the best Prof! I really feel that you are the voice of the community, a voice that I hope WoTC will hear. Keep up the good work!
@thue2
@thue2 4 года назад
Love the Kerbal Space Program music at 3:04
@cosmicentitydragon2946
@cosmicentitydragon2946 4 года назад
Looks like wotc is trying to tire the prof out so he can’t keep up and then spring something extreme
@3sgamestudio
@3sgamestudio 4 года назад
"MTG: Godzilla lands....... so that's where we are now" ;D
@bio-boosted
@bio-boosted 4 года назад
I love Godzilla & am planning on picking a set up. Mainly to use in my commander deck.
@warcryforBACON
@warcryforBACON 4 года назад
Thank you for this video. This helped me decide if I should buy these or not and I say with confidence I will be buying at least 1 if not 2 of these.
@ivyfox7224
@ivyfox7224 4 года назад
Secret Lair: Tom Nook Basic Lands
@ringod123
@ringod123 4 года назад
"to be fair, that is what foils are and do these days" - Prof, that isn't being fair, that's the sound of a man who has been beaten into submission and accepted Stockholm Syndrome into his life :D
@TolarianCommunityCollege
@TolarianCommunityCollege 4 года назад
Stockholm Syndrome would mean I liked them. This is more me giving up. I dunno. I am working on an entire video about foils.
@peterhone9763
@peterhone9763 4 года назад
@@TolarianCommunityCollege Honestly, the foils are disgusting. Just take a look a pokemon foils. THey're beautiful! They're gorgeous and I've had pokemon foils from almost 10 years that haven't curled. It's shameful.
@Dubi264
@Dubi264 4 года назад
Loved the mystery boosters, but with a foil in every pack it made the state of foils abundantly clear. I opened a box and had a stack of foils at the end, all severely curled. Such a bittersweet note to open all those previously expensive cards and see them in such bad shape.
@starnik
@starnik 4 года назад
@@TolarianCommunityCollege If you do a video, I hope you'll mention ways to uncurl the foils. I'm still trying to get my Thalia Secret Lair cards to flatten, I've been placing them under heavy books or computers for days and they're still pringles. It's really frustrating.
@kiranm8569
@kiranm8569 4 года назад
@@starnik I have been trying to figure out a way to uncurl foils, and the method I've found with the most success is to (I would try it out before using it on valuable cards) is to put it in a very dry environment and leave it for a while. Then try to keep moisture away from the cards afterward with silica gel packets. Here's a link to a decent article: www.manaleak.com/mtguk/2017/10/foil-mtg-cards-how-to-cure-curling-bending-and-tournament-tips/ One time I had a bunch of foils that were really curled and I brought them on a plane (not on purpose) in an open deckbox, and when I got off they were less curled.
@00Clank
@00Clank 4 года назад
It is so important and good that Prof has a larger channel than WotC on RU-vid and that he is highly critical and shining a spotlight on any bad practices and loudly, firmly stating that these products are obviously based on secondary market prices regardless of what excuses WotC makes for it.
@michelagustin1485
@michelagustin1485 4 года назад
Will be picking upi 4 sets of these. One to display and three to use in decks. Realistically the best iteration of Secret Lair.
@NipahAtsui
@NipahAtsui 4 года назад
"is it worth it to buy 5 basic lands for 29.99." *Looks at receipt for alpha basics 15 for about 300 dollars*
@jackmarino8162
@jackmarino8162 4 года назад
Hasbro is publicly traded. Why doesn't somebody dig into their tax returns and find some proof that it costs pennies to make this stuff?
@Triczterztricz
@Triczterztricz 4 года назад
I kind of wish this excellent analysis would be a video of its own. Your conclusion that WOTC is profiting from the secondary market is both important and worrying, and I think we, the customers, should hold them responsible for this practice. Keep up the good work Professor!
@92cptmorgan
@92cptmorgan 4 года назад
Love the Community reference, "Crisis Alert!" Haha thanks Prof.
@typoholic
@typoholic 4 года назад
I wish someone would address how the quality in printing hasn’t really improved. Foils still bend and cards are still miscut (such as most of the Mystery Boosters in some rarity sheets). AND, there doesn’t seem to be any consistency in card stock. Even the finish varies from set to set. I could have sworn WotC said they were going to address all these issues.
@tanithschultz5716
@tanithschultz5716 4 года назад
Wouldn't the miscuts on the Mystery Boosters, which reprints a lot of old cards where miscuts were pretty common, more of a salute than a mistake? hahaha.
@LoaphMeat
@LoaphMeat 4 года назад
If I can say this: I've been playing Magic since Onslaught, and have gone through thousands of dollars worth of cards in my life, building every format at one point or another. However, if you would believe it, I'm an even greater Godzilla fan. I have a collectible figurine collection that is worth more than my Magic collection. So, when Wizards announced that they'd be printing Godzilla cards, I was absolutely blown away. However, making Godzilla cards locked behind a price point like Box Toppers and a $30 set of basic lands.... Right now, I just honestly feel exploited and I dont even want to play Magic anymore :/
@spagandhi
@spagandhi 4 года назад
Take the pauperpill
@pikles3578
@pikles3578 4 года назад
that community reference made my entire week
@Phe0nix1986
@Phe0nix1986 4 года назад
Great video!
@themadhouse9468
@themadhouse9468 4 года назад
Still haven't got my theros gods and I honestly don't believe I ever will. I'll never buy this product again.
@curtisbraham5309
@curtisbraham5309 4 года назад
I haven't received them either. But then again, I understand that shipping cards during the pandemic is a bit of a rough time. Wizards has already told us that it's going to take some time to ship. A bit of patience helps.
@Foxpawed
@Foxpawed 4 года назад
I got mine within a week or two, but I did get the full suite of them
@silverfox4107
@silverfox4107 4 года назад
@@Foxpawed I bought 3 full sets and still have not received mine.
@curtisbraham5309
@curtisbraham5309 4 года назад
@@silverfox4107 each drop has a small amount of cards that are pre-printed and ready to ship so if you ordered them later in the weekend (like me) when the original printing was sold out, they would have had to print them. Unfortunately the rest of the world shut down at the same time.
@themadhouse9468
@themadhouse9468 4 года назад
@@curtisbraham5309 I mean if most of the system wasn't automated as is I guess that is a good excuse. I just don't believe mailing prepackaged goods is hard in the automated world.
@hamonscorner8347
@hamonscorner8347 4 года назад
Well, if the next move that WOTC do is selling five tokens for 29.99$ I'm not going to be surprised anymore.
@pistolpete1358
@pistolpete1358 4 года назад
Bitter blossom secret lair?
@hamonscorner8347
@hamonscorner8347 4 года назад
@@pistolpete1358 but there are four tokens and one bitterblossom in there
@tylersimmons7105
@tylersimmons7105 4 года назад
Five foil ad cards for $29.99!
@dongliker
@dongliker 4 года назад
I knew youre point about wizards profiting off the secondary market directly, that much was apparent in yugioh as well when they started printing entire sealed boxes of staple cards... this seems to be a broader trend. but it was very smart of you to notice how they are also doing this with alter art cards as well, as a way to profit off of that aspect of the secondary. I hadnt considered it that way.
@fuckingimpossible
@fuckingimpossible 4 года назад
Well said. Each of your points is right in the nose!
@GoblinTherapy
@GoblinTherapy 4 года назад
Haven't watched this yet and I'm guessing no. Here's a good question: WHY DO WE NOT GET A PLAYSET? EDIT: Turns out I'm wrong.
@danaholland6686
@danaholland6686 4 года назад
nope hes pretty postive on the product
@OrdinaryRobin
@OrdinaryRobin 4 года назад
@@danaholland6686 Surprisingly so.
@xChikyx
@xChikyx 4 года назад
how would they sell 4 of these to the same person then?
@ZakanaHachihaCBC
@ZakanaHachihaCBC 4 года назад
Because outside of Mono-color decks, you aren’t running that many Basics typically. 1 of each has been the standard when they release special printings.
@antoniobush4560
@antoniobush4560 4 года назад
Zakana in standard I run at least two in a three color deck, and this is with a ton of nonbasic lands, people def need more than a singleton copy
@Hames8
@Hames8 4 года назад
Secret Lairs don't really feel special anymore. I really don't give a shit about it and I won't be buying it.
@Hames8
@Hames8 4 года назад
@baerleon When Secret Lairs first came out, I thought they were really cool. I still think Serum Visions are the coolest thing ever printed in Magic History. Now, Secret Lairs are becoming less experimental and new ones are coming out EVERY MONTH.
@kigas24
@kigas24 4 года назад
New to your channel & returning to MTG after 15 years or so gone so I'm glad you're presenting products with a very subjective point of view.
@Zarundar
@Zarundar 4 года назад
I just keep playing back the alert part. Amazing.
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