It's almost as if this Clown is a malfunctioning robot! He was just on a couch explaining to the other HOFs and I quote " I can see if the Greatest Player Of All Time says he doesn't want me on the Olympic team, But Scottie!!?? Put this dude out of his misery! No man should hate on another as much as he hates MJ
@@glucoseaqua852 I don't agree with Zeke here, but y'all gettin too loose with all this "clown" stuff. Everybody who does not agree with you is not a "clown." Zeke said that years ago, I believe. Opinions change.
Charles Barkley vs Charles Oakley Karl Malone vs Isaiah Thomas Kareem vs Witl Chamberlain Isiah Thomas vs Scottie Pippen Michael Jordan vs Bill Laimbeer Reggie Miller vs Michael Jordan Kobe Bryant vs Shaq(at it's peak) Larry Bird vs Julius Erving All hate or hated each other Honorable Mention: Charles Barkley vs Skip Bayless Shannon Sharpe vs Antonio Brown Jon Jones vs Daniel Cormier
Isaiah got a winning record against mj and mj is the one responsible for Isaiah not being on the dream team i don’t understand how Isaiah petty wen is mj yall blind
i thought for a BRIEF second.....SAS was gonna ask him if he was still salty about the Dream Team snub when he brought up the last dance....I would've died laughing...
@@davidcampbell215 Pistons beat the Bulls. MJ was the best player in every one of those series. And didnt need to join up with his draft class to finally beat him
Also if you take away that season with the Wizards because we all know he wasn’t going to win a title with them lol and an injury he had early in his career that took him out majority of that season MJ really only played 13 seasons so his percentage is probably even higher
@@joel205 I have the utmost respect for Bill Russell and what he accomplished not only in Basketball but for Civil Rights but I don’t think it would be fair to put Bill Russell here because during his Era there were only 9 teams in the league and 2 playoff rounds his chances for prosperity were a lot higher for him than anyone that was listed
Isiah has great basketball takes but he’s bias against Jordan. Isiah is from Chicago and was arguably the most popular athlete there until Jordan arrived. Jordan’s ascent to stardom was lightning quick and some older players like Isiah didn’t likeJordan getting so much shine so quickly. Jordan was frozen out during the 1985 all star game. Jordan instantly became Chicago’s biggest star and usurped Isiah as the most popular athlete in Chicago. Isiah was getting outshined in his hometown. The Pistons were on a quest to three peat but Jordan ended their run in the most embarrassing way by sweeping them. Jordan symbolizes the end of the Pistons so Laimbeer and Isiah detest him for that. Jordan also had a big say in making sure Isiah doesn’t make the 1992 Dream Team. Isiah mentioned beating Jordan in 1988 but Pippen and Grant were rookies that year. Once Pippen and Grant matured, the Bulls became a major force.
@@johnnsekanabo856 no Lebron has never won a ring with out being on a super team yes MJ was on a super team for his last 3 rings but his first 3 he literally won with an average bulls team
@@YUNGZEUS92 diff makers no but it completed the parts that were missing in the team - see they actually drafted and built their team from scratch and help improve their players - unlike LeBron who had to run and get 2 top 10 players and then only go to where there are least 2 all-stars in order to ring chase - see the diff lol
He’s somewhat biased but he still has Jordan top 2, a lot of players will blatantly lie and say another player is better than LeBron simply out of jealousy or spite
Ace you are delusional. You can disagree with him without inventing fanfiction. IT never considered MJ the GOAT the same way Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett will never see Lebron as the GOAT.
@@joshuadavis6442 and what are opinions?... It's FACTS what MJ did Kareem & LBJ have not did and MJ did it in significantly less amount of time than both of them... If MJ played 20 years no breaks he would have obliterated Kareem record and possibly caught Russell in rings... If you're some young wet behind the ear bozo who has no knowledge of the history or you just an MJ hater then thats only reason you would NOT know this... It's called being objective... Isaiah has a long history of hate for MJ so to say that his "opinions" are not biased when there are FACTS in place proves my point... You young bronsexuals can never be objective and hop ones jock who gives praise to LBJ over MJ... MF pleeeassse!!!!
@@tahjsimon9058 1st off genius my post is coming from a place of objective thoughts... Isaiah is making his point from his heart... He can't say that the GOAT must own a record when Mike has more rings and awards then both Kareem and LBJ. More scoring Titles etc... etc in significantly less years played... Make it make sense. . and don't come for me with no bs..
@@aceshabazz1937 This is a subjective topic you clown. Objective points can be made but everyone has subjective criteria and weighting when deciding the GOAT.
I grew up routing against MJ because he beat my Lakers in the 1991 Finals, but MJ is clearly the GOAT. Isiah's argument assumes that volume of stats is a greater attribute than quality of stats. The quality of MJ's career is highest level ever achieved. There's also some important reasons why MJ's stats are not as prolific as Kareem and LeBron. For one, MJ played three years in college before coming to the NBA (Kareem also played college, but LeBron jumped to NBA after High School). Second, MJ basically missed his entire second season (60+ games) due to injury. Then he took about 2+ seasons off in the middle of his prime to go play baseball. Somehow he still three-peated twice, won six NBA Finals MVPs and 5 regular season MVPs. CAN YOU IMAGINE how many championships in a row his Bulls teams would have won if he did not go play baseball . . . how many more points he would have scored, how many more awards/honors/MVPs he would have gotten etc????? LeBron in this league 20 years, cherry-picking the best talent and moving to different franchises when it suits him and he's still stuck on 4 championships/4 Finals MVPs and 4 regular season MVPs. Plus, Jordan never lost in the Finals, or even taken to game 7 in the Finals. LeBron got a sub 500 record in Finals, having been swept TWICE and gentlemen's swept TWICE. There's levels to this folks . . . . don't believe the slander.
Very well said! All roads of stats must lead to Winning 🏆. Having all the top stats and it not equate to Championships is all for nothing. This argument is like saying the Buffalo Bills are the greatest football team of all time because they went to the Super Bowl 4 times and lost. 🤷🏾♂️
Facts are fact regardless of bias on either side of this argument. Jordan holds NO title in any statistical category. Championships are a TEAM achievement. Only reason the became a measuring tool is because they saw Kobe and Lebrin coming.
Lebron already has 4 seasons over MJ and came out of highschool and still has less championships than him, while mj even left and came back, that’s how you know Lebron won’t ever be the goat Edit: just stat checked that MJ is 5th all time points with 10,552 minutes less played than Lebron While being behind around 4,000 points, yes Lebron has more points but again he’s played much longer than Jordan
Jordan never played anyone as good as any of those Warriors teams or Spurs teams in the finals. Give LeBron the same opponents Jordan had in the Finals and the ring count would certainly be different. And Jordan had the best coach of all time and a great team always. The Bulls had the same regular season record and almost made it back to the Finals the year Jordan went to play baseball
Barry Sanders had a lot runs for loses trying to make big plays. Then he breaks one when the game is over. Emmitt was always made positive yards and was a great reciever..Sanders was just more exciting
Walter Payton was the best, he probably would have ended up with 20000 yards if he didn’t play his first 3 seasons in 14 games, have lock out seasons, and his coach his rookie year not making him second string because he was a rookie.
He’s hating on MJ is clearly salty on being left out of 92’ dream team . Sad seeing him being like this . When MJ has him as the 2nd greatest PG in history regardless of how he feels about him he acknowledges Zekes greatness .
I'm a Bulls/Jordan fan... but to say Isiah is jealous? IT and His Pistons beated Jordan's bulls the most in the playoffs. I'm glad the bulls needed to go pass them because it made them the juggernaut we know. Ofc i don't agree with IT's point but you can't say He's jealous
It's sad🥲🥲 He should still be critical of Larry Bird for stealing his inbound pass in the playoffs or Karl Malone for busting his face open with an elbow 🤣🤣🤣
I think it's because when people talk great teams, no one considers Jordan did get beat in the playoffs, and they're one of the teams that beat him. Not making it to the finals shouldn't add to someone's greatness, but with Jordan it does.
He speaks as though no one knows his grudge against Jordan. No shame…smh. In some ways I understand why he is in his feelings…because he will never truly get the recognition he deserves as the great player he was until Jordan truly validates his career. Jordan has said he was the 2nd best pt guard behind Magic. But as long Jordan shuns him, public opinion of Zeke will remain on his side. It will be good when the day comes that both of them can put bad blood behind and truly recognize each other fully.
It’s not Jordan‘s fault most of the other league stars hated Thomas also because he was an instigator and he hid behind a bunch of dirty players in the bad boy Pistons.
I don't have a issue with Isiah at all.... the Pistons and the Bulls hated eachother. ( besides Joe Dumars and John saley) They just don't like eachtother period.
Jordan went to college for 3 years and took two years off and it still took Lebron forever to break some of his records. Isiah needs to get out of his feelings.
In his feelings over what? He got his two rings and has a winning record over mj. You jordanites are salty because someone doesn't want to call your God a GOAT. Get over it MJ wasnt perfect and there are arguments for kareem and lebron to be the GOAT
@@sac1211 he jealous that's why yall want lebron to be the greatest so bad and he never will be did you see ESPN rankings jordan is number 1 enough said
@@sac1211 lol bro I remember I said Kareem was the GOAT Jordan fans came for my head😂😂 it’s like if you don’t agree with them they insult you. And people say Lebron fans are toxic lol wrong the difference between Lebron fans and Jordan fans is Lebron fans don’t get mad at me and insult me for having a different opinion. Jordan fans always do. Kareem is the GOAT for me but I consider Lebron a GOAT too his resume puts him at the dinner table with Kareem and Jordan rather people like it or not he’s on Mount Rushmore
Karl Malone scored more points than MJ but never won against him in the finals Isiah is not making any sense 10 scoring titles 6 finals MVPs scored 30,000 points in 13 years number three in steals 6-0 in the finals with two 3 peats has the highest PER in NBA history tell me what Bron has done better than MJ in 13 years other than rebounds and assists stop comparing
True...and we all know Malone is not a better scorer than MJ or Wilt. Kobe Bryant has more points, rebounds and assists than MJ but he's not better either. MJ also has 3 steal titles, a DPOY and has the highest scoring average in the regular season (over Wilt) and playoffs. That has to stand for something.
@@TWAvegas Yep, people who say LeBron is a better rebounder don't know that. LBJ has more defensive rebounds which are usually uncontested but not offensive which are usually contested.
He spent a whole minute giving mike credit, everyone can have a opinion yall just tripping, because you can put a solid arguement of why kareem is the goat
Who cares he beat jordan MORE than once sent Jordan home packing while IT was on his way to the finals he has the credentials to speak he beat YOUR “goat” and Michael has failed time and time again that’s what u mj fans leave in the wind and don’t care if mj was young nobody gave LeBron that excuse
This feels more of an Honest take, he still says in a sense that MJ will be seen as the goat but also that Lebron and kareem are the goat because of play, honestly i feel like there is no greatest player of all-time but there are best players of certain eras.
Skip would be like “did Michael Jordan not Star with bugs bunny in Space Jam? Arguably the greatest movie of all time” and IT would talk about how “Lebron plays the game the right way, doesn’t take all the glory for himself” … and id love every second of it.
Why is Thomas the bad guy here lmao because he gave your goat a beating lmaooo Jordan giving Thomas shade his whole career & after he hasn’t grown up yet Thomas is the hater lmaoo MJ you got more rings but MJ will never give props to the team and player that he never got the best of Jordan is the salty one.
From one Chicagoan to another, that saw your game from high school to the pros, you're 100 percent wrong Zeke. Jordan scored 32,292 points in 1,072 games. Lebron, Kareem, Malone and Kobe all scored 4,000 to 6,000 points less in 1,072 games. The mother of all stats is scoring average because the goal of basketball isn't steals, assists or rebounds, it's PUTTING THE BALL IN THE BASKET, Zeke. Zeke, explain how you're the goat and in an NBA Finals, game 7, with the game tied on the line, the coach that the goat is playing on calls a play for.........Kyrie Irving (2016 NBA Finals game 7). There is no NBA Finals game 7 that Jordan would ever play in that a coach would call a play for his teammates. Sit down and dismiss your hatefulness Zeke.
@ANIME’NIACS REACTIONS AND REVIEWS my thoughts exactly....and since he said basketball is about scoring points...how about we take into account points responsible for cause assists are also an integral part of the game
I think 80s basketball and specifically the Pistons is what inspired Midway to make Arch Rivals for the arcade and home consoles. And I love Arch Rivals. Imagine punching a guy's face while he's still dribbling the ball? 🤣
Lmfao how old are you to remember that game? I played it on the first Nintendo. Not the super Nintendo but the other one. Actually it may have been Sega. I can't remember. That game was amazing lol
They really need to stop asking Isaiah this question when they know he will forever be salty with MJ. I mean he even diminished the greatness of his own Pistons teams which were top 10 team of All-time just to say LeBron is better 🤣🤣
I literally was about to post a similar message. I so agree with you. Why even ask this clown 🤡 anything that has MJ in the conversation. Such a hater it’s funny and sad and obvious all at the same time.
What does LeBron lead in Isaiah ? 😂😂😂 Stop hating on Jordan. Stats and knowing someone is better are too different things. Shaq has a better shooting percentage then Kobe. Does that make him a better shooter 😂😂
@@BDO97 facts.. smh they forget Isaiah got a winning record against mj and mjs the one who was responsible for Isaiah not being on the dream team the petty one is mj and they blind
Just like you guys are biased against lebron. Yall will mention his weak competition in the eastern conference but never mention he had tougher competition than jordan in the finals
"Both of them touched every aspect of the statistical categories." I would ask Isaiah why is Chamberlain NOT #1 or a Mount Rushmore player? Because no player crushed the NBA as he did. And please don't give me the proverbial "6'5" white guy lame argument. If you say Chamberlain was 2-4 in NBA finals. LeBron is 4-6 and that's team jumping and stacking to do that!
@@NdocRroku Wilt did request a trade to the west coast. When Wilt arrived in LA in 1969, West was in his prime. Baylor however, was on his last leg and a shell of his former self. Goodrich came in 1970. Chamberlain did not recruit players to play with him. No one has ever done that but LeBron James
@@choward5430 so you preffer players bowing down and get wrecked from behind by their gms rather than taking matters into their own hands when the gm is incompetent? not everybody is blessed with a good gm, stop that nonsense
@@youraverage90sguys7 Here's the argument against James in the top four because his overall stats place him there. 1. He has more turnovers than any player in the history of the NBA. 2. He has more finals game losses than anyone in the history of the NBA 3. He's third behind Jerry West and Elgin Baylor in finals series losses 4. He has a history of flopping 5. He team hops and stacks Team jumping is not a total negative that's why I have that at #5. But why isn't Wilt Chamberlain #1 or in the top four? I
@@johnjovanovichwick4194 Isiah (with a better team) has a winning record vs MJ yet still finds the need to bash MJ anytime he can whether it’s on tv or twitter, the man hates the fact that MJ gets more love than him in his own city lol. Went from MJ is the goat for decades until he saw the dream team doc then hopped on Kareem’s side then went to LBJ being better. No wonder LBJ groupies love him.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx I don’t wanna hear no excuse about a “better team” yea they were the better team and Michael just couldn’t win because y’all don’t give the pass to LeBron so no
@@johnjovanovichwick4194 “I don’t wanna hear no excuse about a better team” yet the kid brings up how Isiah indeed had the better team. Thanks for agreeing with me. You do realize MJ played first right? You fools blamed MJ for every loss just to bash him bc y’all couldn’t knock his finals record. Then when we do the same y’all lames play the victim card. Point is Isiah is gonna hate on MJ no matter what, he’s been doing that since 2012. Went from MJ the goat to Kareem to LBJ.
“Hate” he beat jordan MORE than once sent Jordan home packing while IT was on his way to the finals he has the credentials to speak he beat YOUR “goat” and Michael has failed time and time again that’s what u mj fans leave in the wind and don’t care if mj was young nobody gave LeBron that excuse
This debate is exactly what I say about the goat discussion. You have to decide the criteria. The best prime ever was Jordan. The best NBA Career will be LeBron (8 straight finals 10 total, 4 NBA Titles w/4 MVP, Most Points, Top 5 in assist, Top 10 Reb, #1 in almost every playoff stat category). The best basketball career is Kareem (3 high school championships & 3 NCAA Championshi,, 6 NBA titles with 6 league mvp)
I’ll take Mj career over Lebron any day of the week… Mj best prime best legacy best record number 1 in most analytics best resume most accolades Mj is both the best and greatest bb player ever 6 rings 6 fmvp 5 regular season mvps 10 scoring titles 9 first team defense 1 dpoy 3 time steals champ 2 time dunk champ ROTY. Highest point per game average in the regular season and in the playoff. Highest PER in NBA history. Only player with multiple season with over 200 steals and over 100 blocks. 2 3 peats 6-0 in the finals never went to a game 7. Average more point more steals more blocks better free throw less turnovers. Mu never lost 3 game in a row from 1991-1998. Highest vertical ever in the NBA and also some of the biggest hands to control the ball like nobody els. Most gracefull player ever and the best mid range shooter ever and also top 3 best in game dunker all time. Mj is 9-0 in finals game 6-0 in the NBA 2-0 in the Olympics and Mj never won anything but Gold in the Olympics unlike somebody els and 1-0 in the NCAA final game that 9-0 in finals. Mj came into the league as a winner by hitting the game winning shot in 1982 and left the league by hitting the game winning shot to win game 6 and his second 3 peat. Case closed Mj will always be the goat.
@@mixedpleasure4324 so your just going to ignore the Washington years. You said he left the league with a game winning shot? Michael only played 10 great + the 2 Washington years & the 95 season where he got injured. LeBron is going to play 20 All Pro Season. Last I checked that was Double the Career. Your average argument makes my case for me. Averages are better prime which I already state MJ has the greatest prime ever. But a NBA career isn't just high prime is sustained prime. MJ quit twice in the middle of his career due to gambling problems & being burnt out. Was Injured 85 season. I personally would much rather say I played 25 great season and 20 as an All Pro. That. Say I only played 10 great season. When you go an apply for a career they ask how much experience you have and most of the time the guy with 20 years will get the job before the guy with 10.
@@matthewstaffordsburner1040 stop it. First of all 80s East was awesome but 90s was not even close and I’ve been pacers season ticket holder (center court row 10) since Reggie’s rookie year in 87-88. No team in the East during the 90s was close to Celtics 08-12 with 4 HOF who nearly won 2🏆 and if healthy would of made 09 finals as well to face lakers 3x in a row but KG was hurt) or 03-07 Pistons who murdered heavily favored 4 HOF with Shaq and Kobe in prime still in 5 games in 04 and were a Sheed Wallace brain fart and Horry clutch 3 from beating 3 HOF Spurs in b2b 🏆! They made 5 straight ECF! My 94-98 Pacers were very good but never great and they were up 13 on them in game 7 and 5 points in the 4th but Kerr & Kukoc killed us. Knicks had HOF Ewing and who else exactly and even they should of beat Bulls in 92 ECF up 2-0 and MJ 3-18 in game 3 but Pippen saved him with 10-13 29 point games and Charles Smith missed like 4 layups in a row🤣. As someone who was there for it all 90s East and 2000s-2010s East very comparable. No one was a great as the Bulls but outside of Bulls and outside of best team in East 2000s/2010s 90s was prob worse as was league as a whole in expansion era! 1988-1995 7 new teams added and they were mostly bad the whole time! MJ was 77-10 vs those 7 teams! “Weak East” is the most Skip Bayless trash take ever besides “LeBron not clutch” when sooooooo many playoff stats dispute that and instead he’s Top2 clutch in playoffs with MJ! If the East was so weak why was Chris Bosh’s Raptors 35-47 on avg his first 7 years missing playoffs 5/7 yrs & 3-8 in playoff GAMES? Why was Wade’s Heat on avg 37-45 the previous 4 years before LeBron went there with a 15-67 team and three 42-47 win teams while being 4-12 in playoff GAMES! Swept by Deng/Gordon/Wallace Bulls, 6 games vs hawks and gentlemen swept by Celtics. Were they overrated or was the “East weak” BS? Can’t have it both ways. Kyrie’s first 3 years on Cavs without LeBron they had 3rd worst record in NBA.
Michael Jordan is the greatest of all time. He didn’t jump from one team to another and formed a super team. He worked with what he had like Giannis the Great. Lebron is good but he’s not the greatest.
Bruh, Isiah already has LeBron as the GOAT. Whatever it takes to put Jordan down. 🤣 Like Isiah putting down his own generation to elevate LeBron's stature. Isiah's 2 rings were diddly squat then.. The 80s was overrated, right Isiah?
@@johnnsekanabo856 yeah but winning titles and getting rings is the ultimate goal. There a reason why all the top players in the top 10 list have multiple rings as its not easy. Even though it is a team accomplishment the superstars are the main reason why a team ends a winning a title
Stephen A keeps bringing up “road to prosperity” smh. There’s so many points statistically you could bring up when it comes to MJ being the GOAT lol. My mans fumbling the bag. Not just finals record
Mj couldn’t touch bird Boston or magic Kareem lakers. When those dynasties went down, he won. 😂 he was heavy favorite 5 times out of 6 😂 loaded with super team greatest coach, 6MOTY! Greatest rebounder rodman. 2nd best 2 way player in the league pippen. Old heads swear Mj never lost LOL
@@rodyinjapan my man 6 for 6 in the era of tough competition where there was real crews not hoppin teams each year like now ... the fact it was more physical game than now ,peoples character and internal toughness was needed aswell as skill back in 90s
@@adamdalmer4595 he would his killer instinct and his will to win couldnt be matched he would find a way ... thats the difference with mj and lebron , lebron is great but of u put him in 80s or 90s his greatness would be diminished still would be great though ,whereas mj would be mj in any era regardless
Aint nothing beating 6-0 2 three peats with a retirement in between over 8 years. All time leading points per game playoffs scorer. Even with the miami buddy up superteam bron didn't come close
That 30ppg would have been higher had he not came back and played for the wizards too. I'm sorry anyone who debates against Jordan is wrong. You can argue who 2-10 are. But Jordan is in a class himself
I hate how the media downplays the Dallas 2011 championship team. That was one of the most top to bottom balanced teams in HISTORY. Usually we see mostly top heavy teams win but in that case it was a bunch of vets that played their roles perfectly. Watching that team was like watching a puzzle being perfectly put together.
@@GameTime-yj6qv It was kinda one of those perfectly timed teams. Even if they kept everyone together, by 2012-2013 the key vets would have diminished too much to make the same level of contributions. 2011 was literally the perfect time for that exact group of guys to be together. Very cool thing to witness, its a shame how disrespected it is.
Yep it's a TEAM sport. Dallas beating the Heat was not a shock to me, seen it all before. Dr. J/George McGinnis's high powered team marched to the finals their first year together. Most thought they would roll over the Trailblazers. Started out that way, but they ended up losing to a better more balanced TEAM. Good teams can beat a collection of great players, especially during their first year together.
4 rings and 4 fmvps are there aswell. U gotta consider as years go by , the competition becomes tougher. So the rings are harder to get , Jordan barely had any competition in his era
@@thunder9394 How does the competition become tougher when LeHelp always teams up with the competition? Right now he's on an underperforming superteam. His 3rd option is a guy that has a league MVP, 2 scoring titles, 4 assists titles, 4 triple double seasons, and lead the league in assists and triple doubles last year. His THIRD option! Still below .500
@Le6FinalsLosses James Thats why personal stats matter. Rings is a team achievement. Bruh Bron ain't even retire yet,the 4 rings could become 6. Along with breaking Kareem's record , that easily makes him the Goat
@@Marlowe10100 You lost all credibility to comment on all basketball related topics after this low grade casual 1on1 comment. That’s funny. Basketball is a team sport, or am I tripping? The Warriors were the overwhelming favorites right? Exactly. Have a good night.
@@kaistreetsvisuals Jordan always outplayed the other team star, no matter what. It's like this year Lebron scores 30 and you go: Oh! great game, then you see the box score and the other team star scored 40 and got the win. LOL. Good night
@@Marlowe10100 Also you’re talking about 1 side of the game. Again, you lost all credibility. Scoring isn’t the only part of the game kid. Go get your learn on and come back. You have a long way to go.
After they got Phil Jackson and Scottie Pippen, they took the defending champion Detroit Pistons 7 games in 1990 and lost because of Scottie's migraine so Jordan had no help, which every player, including Michael Jordan needs. The guy who actually dominated Jordan would be Larry Bird, he was like 6-0 against Jordan in the playoffs. No disrespect to the Bad Boy Pistons though, they would have 3peated if Isiah didn't sprain his ankle in game 6 of the 1988 NBA Finals, meaning that season they would have beaten the Old School Celtics and the Showtime Lakers if they were just healthy.
Ok well I played 15 yrs took a break and still have more chips than them so what’s his point 6 with two 3 peats so idk basically if Jordan played 20 yrs he’d have about 4 more chips or at least 2 pure craziness
Michael Jordan was not only the best offensive player on the court but also 1 of the best defender. Lebron was never thought that way. He get a lot of stats but he does do anything great maybe driving to the basket
“Hater” how 😂😂😂😂😂he beat jordan MORE than once sent Jordan home packing while IT was on his way to the finals he has the credentials to speak he beat YOUR “goat” and Michael has failed time and time again that’s what u mj fans leave in the wind and don’t care if mj was young nobody gave LeBron that excuse
Those of us who eyewitnesses Isaiah's shadiness after the Bulls drove a stake in their heart never to recover, things between Jordan and Thomas linger to this day. As for James passing Kareem, had Jabbar NOT gone to UCLA for four seasons and had Chamberlain NOT played three seasons at Kansas and one with the Globetrotters, the career point total would be out of reach.
Well Jordan was also shady to Isiah. He called him an undeserving champion but in reality he was just mad Isiah knocked him out of the playoffs 3 years in a row.
Lol you can’t use the if factor. You could easily say if Kareem and Jordan didn’t go to college they would have took longer to develop. Remember Jordan was cut from his high school team so he definitely wasn’t ready to go straight to the nba
@@johnwaldo6758 There is no "if" factor. It is FACT! Chamberlain lost approx. 13,000 points. He only played 13 seasons and in his final 4 seasons, he stopped trying to score! Jabbar lost approx 10,000 points. But aside from that, Jordan, Chamberlain, and Jabbar were double and even triple-teamed. No one doubles James. They play him straight up! You LeBron apologists crack me up. Here's a guy who promotes himself as the GOAT, team hops and stacks teams, flops all over the place, cries if anyone touches him, and is the all-time leader in the history of the NBA in turnovers, finals series game losses and is third behind West and Baylor in series losses AND HE'S THE GOAT???? Get real my man.
@@bloop2184 If you want to have Lebron as the GOAT that's fine, Lebron is great. The point is Isiah is trying some statistical boxout to disqualify Jordan, and he doesn't even have his facts straight.
It's sad Isiah hasn't got past the handshake incident with the bulls. Jordan has referred to him more than once as the second best point guard of all time behind Magic. Isiah just making himself look bad at this point
Mj couldn’t touch bird Boston or magic Kareem lakers. When those dynasties went down, he won. 😂 he was heavy favorite 5 times out of 6 😂 loaded with super team greatest coach, 6MOTY! Greatest rebounder rodman. 2nd best 2 way player in the league pippen. Old heads swear Mj never lost LOL
@@rodyinjapan so your argument is MJ alone couldn't beat 2 of the best teams ever assembled with multiple hall of famers..the first time MJ got another all star (pippen's first all star year) they took the defending champs to 7 and lost in the migraine game. Even Larry described MJ as god in disguise after one of their playoff games
@@jrsmith1998 Wilts number are better than anyone's what kind of argument is that lol, this is what happens when you don't put context to numbers you get people thinking Westbrook a better player than Lebron and KD with that logic or is Jokic the real GOAT because he is leading in all of those advanced metrics this year showing he is having the best season of all time? Karl Malone scored more than Lebron, kobe and jordan all time and only trails kareem where is he on the all time ranking?
If Bron played for 20 more years that would make him the Undisputed GOAT… Dominating for 35yrs??? Jordan wasnt as nice as he was on the Wizards at 38 and 39yrs of age vs the Chicago years.
@@VK-mn7mt exactly. Longevity stats don't tell the whole story. Luka is on pace to surpass Lebron in points, assists, and rebounds in way less games. Karl Malone has more points, rebounds, and blocks than MJ. No one has him as the goat
MJ has the highest PPG in the regular season, playoff run and finals. He also has the best win percentage which is 100% and never went to a game 7. He is considered as one of the if not the best scorer of all time and one of the best defenders ever
In the 90's MJ didn't have competition in the east. Ewing was the only Star on the Knicks. After the Knicks who else in the East was championship caliber ? In the Finals MJ had a big 3 vs Portland and Phoenix. A big 4 vs Seattle and Utah. Always had the advantage . He's lucky he didn't play Houston. He would've lost twice.
hahaha.. YOU NEED TO BE WORSE THAN A RELIGIOUS FANATIC TO CONTINUE CLAIMING THAT JORDAN (OR WORSE IF IT'S KOBE) IS THE GOAT.. - LEBRON EXCEEDS HIM IN GOALING EFFECTIVENESS (FOR EVERY 100 SHOTS LEBRON SCORES MORE, BOTH DOUBLES AND TRIPLES) - LEBRON EXCEEDS HIM IN REBOUNDS PER GAME!! - LEBRON EXCEEDS HIM IN ASSISTS PER GAME.!! -LEBRON PLAYS ALL POSITIONS, HE HAS THE STRENGTH AND THE SKILL...Jordan never had the strength for it!! (The only reason Jordan had more points per game was because he made many more attempts, not because he was more effective, that's why he was number 1 in missed shots for many seasons) Come with your only and absurd argument about the titles, and make hara kiri yourselves, because if that is your logic, there are like 10 players who have more titles than Jordan and then you will automatically be removing Jordan from the debate!!
MJ's road to winning championships were harder compared to Lebron. Lebron skipped the line, avoid the obstacles and joined Wade a former champion and Bosh. Lebron went from Cavs to a superteam overnight.
Wouldn’t say that. Jordan the goat but LeBron played against one of the greatest teams ever assembled. The warriors w/ KD. Nobody was beating that team. Swap Jordan to the cavs and they still take that L. LeBron had a lot of garbage teams he dragged to the finals which is why he left in the first place. Jordan didnt win until pippin got there. Can’t forget that.
You do know, Bron played 7-8 years with the Cavs, before going to the Heat? He never would’ve “skipped the line,” if the Cavs would’ve built a team around him, like the Bulls did with Jordan.
Well good point isiah .. in this case you're not the second best point guard ever (beyond Magic) .. statistikely John Stockton, Jason Kidd, Chris Paul, Steve Nash and few others are. Because at the point guard position they all have more assist/point them you. Matter a fact even Magic it's not the Best if you count statistics if we follow your logic.
"The road". Bron skipped 4 years college. That's 4 years of extra scoring in a pos5-Jordan league with no hand checking and easier flagrant fouls because the league thought defense and low scoring of the Jordan era was boring for fans. Jordan got scoring titles going against Bad Boy Pistons. 30.1 pts avg for his career. SWEPT them in 91 when they walked off the floor sour. Before that they beat the bully Knicks. Then finished with the Lakers.
jordan was able to perfect his game under a hall of fame coach in college ... lebron came into the league no college exp to the worst team ever jordan was 1-7 first round exits and name me one team jordan faced like the spurs or GSW with and without KD and if you compare rosters who had the better rosters and coaching
@@robglobal1 How did he stack the deck. Went To LA with no one and joining kyrie and love is not a BIG 3. The Heat formed to beat the Celtics lakers Spurs and oKc. Sounds fair to me
@@dparks2856 if you're not aware how many all stars Lebron has played with and how almost his entire carear he has stacked the deck then I don't think we should be having a convo on this subject. This is very common knowledge it has not been a secret. Best wishes on your studies
Isiah has been hating on Jordan since Jordan's rookie season. He led the "freeze out" of Jordan in the All-Star Game Jordan's rookie season due to pure jealousy, smh. Absolutely ridiculous to be jealous of a rookie as a veteran star.
It wasn't just Isaiah don't put that s*** on him Karl Malone a lot of people didn't like Jordan when he first came out just like Kobe and just like LeBron they hadn't done anything and everybody acting like they're the best thing since sliced bread don't put that s*** on Isaiah a lot of people hated Jordan and like you said the freeze-out consisted of more than one person but all you want to talk about is Isaiah
Scoring record don’t make you the goat that’s iceing on the cake Jordan or wilt are the goats simple in plan I been a Lebron biggest fan I watched him not take over games even if he was out numbered he seemed like he didn’t want it
He looked pathetic against Dallas. Kawhi, KD and Iggy all win Finals MVP on LBJ and they play the same position as him. I seen Lebron look confused at times in Finals. And who can forget Lebron getting upset when he saw Kawhi coming back in the game.
If the only argument left is Jordan went through "tougher" competition..im sorry but that is just blatantly ignorant and wrong. Both individual and team skill level/athleticism are well beyond any other era, plus the league is still plenty physical there's hard fouling in literally every game still. Jordan never had to deal with a 73 win team with 2 players straight outta 2K, and never beat the bad boys, magic, bird, or any of them until they all got older. At the end of the day, Jordan's 6 wins are incredible. The perfect situation and he's the greatest winner in basketball history, just like Brady is in the NFL. But neither of them are the greatest overall player in their sport. That's not a knock, just a fact. Clearly there are better skilled QBs, better football players, etc. Clearly there are better scores, better defenders, and better all around players than Jordan ever was. So what. LeBron is a GOAT for what he's accomplished and so is Jordan, and so is Kareem. Best guard, forward, and center ever. Cry about it.
Lebron isn't even the best of his Era. When MJ was around, there was never a question. MJ isn't in anyone's league because the league wouldn't be what it is without MJ. Lebron is great but far from the goat
When you're stopping games to get a Caucasian woman out of the arena because she's exercising her free speech, you're far from the G.O.A.T on any level. The past 10 years NBA basketball has become the most softest sport in all of sports and LeBron James and Steph Curry has benefited from that tremendously!!!! If you honestly think LeBron James would be the same player back in 1984 is blasphemy, him or Steph Curry would be average players based on the rules back then. So it sickens me personally to watch basketball since the 60's and see these adolescents give glory to these weak azz players of today and dismiss a whole lot of old school talent like they never existed. You youngsters vote on these surveys based on popularity not facts!!! 80% of the people today who watch the NBA has never witnessed Wilt Chamberlain play and his playing skills made the NBA change the rules in the 60's because he was so dominant, but you youngsters don't even consider that. Why you think Jordan has never said he's the best ? Because he knew he had Wilt Chamberlain's stat sheets to contend with and know the history. They recently said Justin Bieber just passed Michael Jackson on Billboards with the most songs on the chart, but we know Justin Bieber is nowhere near Michael Jackson in talent, no different if LeBron James pass Kareem in points, he is far from the G.O.A.T!!!!!!!
If the 80s and 90s were tough then how did Jordan go the playoffs with a losing record then the expansion teams 1-9 before Pippen got better hof coach. Lebron has never played for a Phil Jackson he lead every team in every statically category in the 2016 finals at 22 took a mediocre Cavs team to the finals if it wasn't for marketing Jordan wouldn't be in the Kareem/Lebron discussion
@@funkythangzprod3446 you're very first sentence is about a woman saying his son should die a horrific death so you're an idiot and that's not acceptable free speech when court side. So stfu.
Hahaha! Had MJ played 20yrs and/or didn't stop for about 2 season many scores we'd think we has today? LeBron is been so spoiled playing with bunch of at least 2 more superstars in his team for over 10yrs in this weak/soft, fast-pace era. Come' on Isaiah. Let him win his 5th ring and pass Kobe 1st. MJ > LeBron
@@mikelmoon100 Right that is why championship rings matters. Great players competes to win rings not just putting up individual stats. In anyway they could achieve that...
Point is he couldn't with his bad knees. Also 20 years with Phil and Pippen in an expansion era with no zone or today? He didn't make it from high school also because he wasn't good enough. so quit dreaming.
Kareem Abdul Jabbar is the GOAT in my opinion and I was born in 1991 saying this. His work and impact on the game of basketball is too impactful from college to the pros. He has the accolades as well.
Born in 1981...and people thought I was crazy for saying Kareem is #1 for about 20 years...MJ was incredible...but Kareem is #1. Glad to see other like-minded individuals out there.
Jordan destroyed his competition in coveting the "G.O.A.T" status. His successor has to do the same. I believe someone will overtake Jordan one day, and that player will, with no doubt, be the greatest of all time.
Nobody is overtaken Mike bruh. In eye test, competitiveness, being undefeated in the finals for multiple years, back to back 3 peat’s, etc. No happening bruh! Obviously there will be more great players, but I truly believe we’ve seen the best ever. Kinda like Michael Jackson and the Thriller album. No one will ever sell 70 million worldwide and have the eye test as a performer like either MJ.
@@jaylebron777 Funny thing about your opinion is Mike hasn’t played in nearly 20 years and the media has obviously became younger and younger. Most of the media hasn’t actually witnessed MJ playing actual live games, but he still is recognised by not only older media, younger media, current players, older players, young and old fans. My point is it’s much more than the media that sides with MJ being the best. If you listed to the crowd during ASG intro of Mike clearly the fans still love this guy. Mike is literally at a level of a Babe Ruth and Muhammad Ali. He is beyond iconic and legend at this point. Ruth and Ali are seriously looked at as mythical and that’s where Mike is at. So to say it’s just the media making Mike #1 is a lazy take. No disrespect but you have to admit the majority of society really appreciates the greatest of MJ and what he has done for the game of basketball.
@@jaylebron777 Also at the end of the day the media is just a reflection of our society. I’m short the media is just people…they media is just us at the end of the day.
Mike had trash teams his first 5 years and still won a mvp and managed to serve all those teams he mentioned. He got beat up by Isaiah’s team because they couldn’t stop him so they played dirty. He had 1 all star player against his stacked team and ran them out the gym once his team was healthy. And then dominated a decade of basketball through multiple obstacles in his personal life. Lebron has feasted off a trash East and still lost. He hasn’t done anything in the west besides a win in the bubble that nobody wanted to play in with the exception of a few teams. Losing more than winning actually counts
@@kristopherbrown8276 The best player Lebron beat in that cupcake east was a young paul george while Lebron had a superteam from 2011-2018 in that conference and multiple all star and all nba handpicked players and when he beat those under talented teams he got cooked in the finals with a losing record and blatantly stat padded in multiple finals like the 2014 spurs 2016-18 warriors when he knew he lost, rewatch it and you can clearly see the guy walking to the hoop with warriors okay giving up 2s to lebron because he didnt want to end the game under 50% shooting so he didnt even attempt a 3 to keep his team close this guy cares more about stats then winning because hes a loser thats why he sits in the middle of games with a stat sheet printout lmfaoo what kind of top 5 player does that.
lebron had even trasher team mate than Jordan for 7 years, lost against the SPURS and Boston (at least 3 HOF in both team). MJ dominate in a week era, Lebron face the greatest team ever and The spurs with 4 HOF and popovich
So by that logic, Magic Johnson is not the greatest PG of all time. John Stockton is. Even though he never won a championship, it does not matter, what matters you have lead in statistical categories. I love Isiah, I have him 11th in my all-time ranking. But this is beyond hilarious and stupid.
Bro exactly do Championships not matter?! When did GOAT status come down to stat padding? The G in Goat stands for Greatest/greatness, winning championships is how we measure greatness, all that other stuff is just extra icing on the cake!
@@ATS21198421 well for people like Nick Wright, Shannon Sharpe, Isiah Thomas, Gilbert Arenas it does not. Isiah Thomas acts out of hate and jealousy, Nick Wright and Shannon Sharpe are paid by LeBron to be media plants and Gilbert Arenas, I don't know what that lower-tier star ever done to get a platform to speak.
I agree, but chips are still based on the team. Do we blame MJ for losing game 7 with Pips migraine? No, because he couldn’t do it by himself. It takes a team. I’m no Bron apologist. I just hate the “MJ is 6-0 and LeBron has a finals losing record” narrative. 2011 is the only loss truly on Bron. 2007: inferior team 2014: Wade was over the hill 2015: Kyrie & Love injured 2017 & 2018: nobody was beating that team
@@ThaClancyFam2 well then don't push that narrative that LeBron makes everyone better. And not only that, his wins have been more close than the losses. And in all those serieses, he did not play well. His offensive stats look great because he stats pads and his defensive stats, especially in the 2018 series was horrendous
Stephen A Smith literally has no logical stance as to why Jordan is a better player than Lebron in terms of individual ability so he’s digressed to the “Jordan played better players his road was harder” And that’s a flaming fckn lie 😂😂
Comical isn't it 🤣 I hate this leBron played in a soft era nonsense he has been a professional since 2003 he came into the league during the dead ball era when the pistons were winning rings scoring 78 point per game he's had to face zone defenses , defensive juggernauts like the spurs , pistons and celtics , offensive powerhouses like golden state and he's played them all and beat them all in their respective primes MJ didn't any truly great teams in their prime He didn't beat the prime bird celtics , he didn't beat the showtime lakers he beat the bad boys after losing 3 times before MJ also played in the expansion era and those teams were NOTORIOUSLY bad I would venture to say the 90s was one of the weakest eras in basketball right up there with the 70s much more watered down then the 80s and less parity then we have today Jerry krause surrounded jordan with nothing but the best from coaches to complimentary players remember if MJ had his way it would of been no horace grant , no bill cartwright and no toni kukoc while the best danny ferry could do for leBron in cleveland was old man shaq , old man ben wallace , mo williams and antwan jamison... leBron's entire first 7 years was him uplifting subpar talent and mediocre coaching people wonder why leBron is so controlling when it comes to roster construction because he let someone control his career for 7 years and all it got him was failure every single year MJ was drafted by chicago to be a solid scoring guard ala benard king leBron was drafted to be the savior of a franchise that alone makes his road harder besides all the other stuff I mentioned
