Took me almost 3 years to get reinstated and I studied for and attended every meeting and assembly. One of the elders on my committee didn’t like me. Simple as that. So glad I’m out.
I can relate! In my experience, 1 elder committee member, told me, many yrs after my rein... "He didn't like me!" Felt I was an 'arrogant' man. I dressed/spoke well!?... (It was true!) 😬😆😂
@@blues3665 at the time I did. Took me another 10 years to wake up. It’s not easy at all to break free of their brand of intense indoctrination. F.ear O.bligation G.uilt.
So ironic that their cruel reinstatement policy often has the opposite effect of drawing ones back into the fold. My own son woke up while waiting tirelessly to be reinstated! My heart broke for him when he was denied reinstatement and gave up. Little did we know that while he was out, he had begun to do his own research and woke himself up and then us-his parents! What’s that scripture about not exasperating or antagonizing your children, so that they don’t get discouraged? Watchtower needs to seriously take heed!
@@paultheoutdoorsman thank you Paul. Indeed we are. But bittersweet as we lost our only daughter to the cult when we woke up-she turned us into the elders. Situation-gained our son, yet lost our daughter always reminded me of the movie Sofie’s Choice. Been 6 yrs since she and her husband have been shunning us. They have a new baby we have never seen.
@@alishaschafer3069 Sad, but keep your spirits up and pray that your daughter will loosen up with time. Keep showing her love and interest if at all possible, as love is much more of an attraction for anyone to change.
"You fathers, do not be exasperating your children, so that they do not become downhearted."- Colossians 3:21,NW 1984 edition. Incidentally, the parallel verse reads: "And you, fathers, do not be irritating your children, but go on bringing them up in the discipline and authoritative advice of Jehovah." (Ephesians 6:4,NW, 1950 and 1961 editions) The phrase "authoritative advice", in English, suggests that the very best advice on child-rearing comes from the great heavenly Father himself. But is this the point the Society wants Jehovah's witnesses to realize? To answer that question, consider this: Many of us recall that the phrase "authoritative advice" was changed in the 1970, 1971, 1981 and 1984 editions to the term "mental-regulating". That, right there, shows where the Society stands upon the topic of child-rearing, or, for that matter, how the Society views adults within the organization! The Society sees only minds which need to be "regulated" according to its teachings and policies. This is why the Society tells Jehovah's witnesses, as, for example, in "The Watchtower" of January 15, 1983, to "Avoid Independent Thinking" and to "Fight Against Independent Thinking"; in short, the Society tells Jehovah's witnesses to not think and reason for themselves but, rather, only what the Society tells them to think. The Society does this by controlling the flow of information which Jehovah's witnesses are permitted to receive. That, in turn, affects the way Jehovah's witnesses think; and, once the minds of witnesses are "regulated" (more accurately "controlled"), the Society has free rein to control the emotions and, subsequently, the behaviour of Jehovah's witnesses, so as to act in only the way the Society directs. These facts indicate that the answer to the above question is: No, the Society does not want Jehovah's witnesses to realize that the very best advice on child-rearing comes from the great heavenly Father, he for whom they claim to be witnesses. On the contrary, Jehovah's witnesses are to rely solely and entirely upon the Society for "advice", not only on how to raise their children, but, also on how to lead their own lives as adults, to lead what the Society calls the "best life ever". In view of this, the Society stands exposed as a cult.
@@alishaschafer3069 My heart breaks for you! This is why the activists do what they do! We can't keep quiet about the destruction this religion causes. I know we all hold out so much hope for our family who are still in. No one should have to shun or be shunned by family. :(
They are so into control. Their new book study program with new recruits is shameful. For one thing, they make bible study students write down their JW goals that they need to work towards. This is just a way of making them feel obligated to it because they themselves wrote it down and supposedly came up with the goal in the first place. They are so emotionally manipulative.
It's because they hold your family hostage from speaking with you on any level. If your entire family were JWs, then they are asked to treat you like a pile of crap. And if you were a witness for 40-50 years, all of the hundreds of friends you made are not allowed to talk with you socially as well; once they find out you were DF'd. So for many like myself; it's because we miss our kids, grandkids, brothers and sisters, etc. I think for most of us; especially those that were shunned for trivial reasons of conscience; and because the elders decided to impose their own personal opinions of what is a "sin"; a "serious sin" even;; we don't want to belong to a cult organization with lying, arrogant, hypocrites taking the lead. We just want to serve God and Christ in peace with others of like faith.
Thank you for sharing this information. I have been DF over 25 years, early on I tried to get reinstated...went 6 months without fail to all meetings and when I asked if they would consider my reinstatement....they said they never noticed my attendance. I tried again 6 months ago, only because of pressure from aging parents ... 2nd round new elders new city, am now in my 50's ....."asked why do I care now"....treated me so cold that my non JW husband didn't understand why they were so nice to him and cold shoulder with me.....they explained it was loving discipline....he said he won't allow them to treat me badly....and that was that... Realized that I don't belong there.
I was DF'd January 2011. Around May 2011 I went back to meetings for about 6 months then wrote my letter to be reinstated. A couple of weeks went by and I didn't hear back from the elders so after the meeting one Sunday I asked what the status was on my letter. The elder I asked straight out told me they had forgotten about me. He said they were so busy with SAD and kingdom hall remodeling that they had forgot I had written my letter. Needless to say, I never went back.
Same things happened to me. This is the kind of pathetic "shepherds" these men are. As if, we go to meetings to be noticed by men; to be "men pleasers". This kind of conduct was condemned by the inspired apostle Paul at Galatians 1: 10.----"Is it in fact , men I am trying to persuade, or God? Or am I seeking to please men? If I were yet pleasing men, I would not be Christ's slave." See my further comments above. Thanks, and may Jah be with you.
I have been through this. I missed 3 meeting in 3 years. It was down to a bullying elder. My dog was dieing when I phoned an elder to help me. He said I can't because I was DFD. The dog was crying in pain when I phoned him. The same elder went to court to support a child groomer in my congregation. I know this to be true because I went to that court session. I was disgusted. Anyway I stopped going after reading CRISIS OF CONSCIENCE. if you want to see the story about the child groomer I could send you it as I reported it to my local newspaper. They where never going to reinstate me anyway. My crime for getting DF was standing up to an elder on moral conduct.
Oh man! You were never going to be reinstated. Especially after telling your story to a newspaper. That would never go away. The question I would have asked myself, do I really want to be around these kind of people? I know that I wouldn't.
Steve: Sorry about your dog. Sounds like the elders in the Troy Michigan congregation. Picture Jesus or even the tightly wound Apostle Paul acting that way. What was the name of the newspaper and date of the article?
@@xxxxyz854 Jesus would probably have healed the dog on the spot. Ugly man he was. (the elder) Probably would have done the same if it had been a child. Sorry for your loss. 😣
What an awful experience! I practically got laughed at when I asked to be reinstated at a different congregation in a different state. It was hurtful and humiliating. This organization is truly DISGUSTING as you correctly stated.
You know, that is a good point. I'm at the point of after almost 3 years and 3 requests for reinstatement; I'm not waiting for the official uninformed opinions of 3 men in my current congregation, or the 3 dickheads in my original congregation to give me their stamp of approval for worshiping the true God in "spirit and truth". Jehovah NEVER left me, and has forgiven me of sins where I made them. He or his son Jesus reinstated me a long time ago! And that's what really matters. I think I'm just going to tell my family that I'm back after going to a brand new congregation soon; once in a while. The only problem I have is that the organization controls your life by asking for your publisher records card if you move to another congregation; which has a record of your Df'ing and reinstatement, etc. Not sure how I'm going to handle that when and if the time comes. Maybe just prove to them who I really am; and that I'm just there to serve my God with people who want to do the same. You shouldn't "keep account of the injury; or "keep one's transgressions in front of you', as if what you did in the past bears on who you are today and what your life pattern is. And perhaps, when asked for my records, just tell them "YOU DON'T NEED MY RECORDS, BROTHER, "faith is proved by works". "By their fruits you will recognize them."...(1 Corinth. 13: 5;....Psalm 103: 8, 9; 12,...James 2: 18 Matt. 7: 20.
So very very true. That's my personal experience and reason why I had to walk away from it. Cleaned a whole kingdom hall all by myself... and the beloved ones sit comfortably and then turn around and treated like crap.
Why do these measures exist? Simple: to crush the ego of any dissident and treat him like a leper until he is in total subservience, and to serve as a warning to others to keep them in total subservience also.
It’s comparable to breaking a horse. They want to make sure you are humbled and broken so that they can be the ones to bring you back into the fold. And so you don’t forget you are receiving “undeserved” kindnesses from them. Truly truly sick
That's why in my opinion, disassociating comes from a place of strength. It basically shows the congregation that you have woken up and decided to remove yourself from the abusive environment, as opposed to being disfellowshipped for being caught doing something wrong, or being so guilt ridden into "confessing".
The only problem. When you disassociate, via a letter to the Elders, they read the same announcement as a disfellowshipping. So, the congregation only hears...so and so is no longer a JW. If you Are going to disassociate, I would send the letter to every member of the congregation, or email or text it. Then at least some may read it and get your side of the story.
Maybe to you. To the congregation you are a nasty vile person who left righteousness because you wanted to do bad things. And one day Tony Morris will become an angel and go all “Vietnam” on you. They will 😊 while you are covered with 🩸. There are some things in life you cannot change.
@@RCVideo-dh8cs if you should do it, send it to all others BEFORE actucally to elders. Give them heads up as to why you are not staying. If others feel the same as you, that may give them the courage to disass., and know that they will not be alone on the outside of org. Best to those who want to leave! 🕊
A felon...that's how I felt because of that damned letter that was written about me that they wouldn't allow me to read. That was one of the MAIN reasons I walked the hell out of there.
I got reinstated 11 months after being disfellowshiped, then got treated weird, wasn't invited no where still had no friends, I ended up just giving up on myself for years.. I was looking forward to being destroyed, glad I found out the truth b4 it was too late..
What makes the JWs and their elders think that they're not worldly? I know of a JW-devotee who's been on government social security benefits for the last 4-years. The JWs may not vote because they claim the government is evil, but they still put out their hands when it comes to receiving their share of cash from the so-called evil government.
Yesssssss, they do this. They espionage on their own people like detectives, this happend to me. The guy that would give me study would ask other people about me, like a Job.
For an organization that claims to never judge people, they judge constantly. Whether it’s judging if someone is worthy of being reinstated, to whether someone is “spiritual” enough for privileges, the WT is all about judging outsiders as well as their own people.
You got that right.i was mocked by a few of them because of the less than fortunate circumstances I live under.they are mentally sick and twisted people.
Yes!!!!! You have that right I got disfellowshipped walked out the door and never stepped foot in the congregation again. Why would anyone want to put themselves through the nonsense of being reinstated again. You got judged for everything that you did or didn’t do not attending all the meetings, not going out in service enough, never being spiritually enough, wearing the wrong clothes, saying the wrong things to someone, you couldn’t stub your toe without someone complaining about it.
All the elders In charge of my reinstatement reinstated me because my parents owned the properties they lived in. And were getting discount on their rent. Soon as I was reinstated parents moved away and I brought their houses with cash. And now properties are mine. Iv kicked all elders out of my properties because they couldn’t afford the rent increase , I haven’t been back to a meeting since. 🤣
@@diarradunlap9337 hehe 😜 everything fell nicely Into plan. You could tell they were only reinstating me for the discount on rent. They were ripping my mum and dad off. What they were giving wasn’t even enough to pay the mortgage. My parents were in debt but kept saying Jehovah will provide😂🙄. Jehovah’s provided alright. He got your disfellowshipped daughter to get you out of debt 🤣 lol. I was kicked out as a teenager, left to live on the streets. I came back with Gods vengeance. They didn’t see that one coming 😏
It's amazing how they have convinced themselves that they are the only true religion. And people actually believe it. After leaving, I can't believe I ascribed to such foolishness. Glad to be out!!!!
My dad got reinstated in 4 months... Everyone was shocked because that is so unheard of. He was buddy buddy with the COBE at the time. It's a good ol boys club, no holy spirit.
I was born and raised as a JW. My father was DF’d when I was a kid and he stayed out for many years. The congregation treated my mom, me and my 4 siblings as if we were bad associations. We were rarely invited to gatherings and hardly anyone would talk to us after meetings. It was traumatizing.
Yes! Instantly! I remember having a talk with my niece after she had gotten involved with a man and was about to be DF'd. I asked if she prayed to God for forgiveness, she said yes...i told her as long as you were sincere God forgave you in an instant. I said you will probably be disfellowshipped for a while but that's a JW thing, God doesn't make you wait 6-9 months, or years to forgive you...that's a man made thing.
@@No1YanniLover Hey. Please be clear. It’s a 👱🏻♂️ way of thinking. You see it in court cases, job applications and the likes- In things they control. It is how 👱🏻♂️ think. Us 👨🏾 don’t think like that (except for those not in tune with their Blackness.) Watchtower is ran by 👱🏻♂️.
I know a body of elders in the Dominican Republic that put night surveillance on a brother to see if he stayed the night at a house. Because the only vantage point was from up a tree, they assigned Ministerial servants to do it! No word of a lie. What a classic! 😂😂😂
@@WJTM88 Doin' alright. Great job guys. Superb! With a subject like this we could tell funny and horror stories that would last a 4 week non-stop campfire.
You really said it so well! Men with no authority at their work, come to the Kingdom Hall and now they are in charge. They use their own personal feelings to determine what to do to someone else and they hold much of that life in their hands.
So many personal vendettas!😒 Nothing to do with justice or God🙏🏾 Thank you for shedding light on this unjust, inconsistent practice. You are helping so many wake up!!👀
Hi JT I have been following your blog for some time now from Australia. Very briefly I have done it all. Pioneer. Elder. Presiding Overseer etc. I was disfellowshipped in 1981 and was out for 28 years. Made an effort to come back and was reinstated in 2009. It was exactly as you described. Never felt comfortable ever. Now I have over the last few years just slowly drifted into the wide blue yonder.
As an ex-elder, I knew what it took to repent and turn around, clarify my mind, and restore a clear conscience with Jehovah. So in 7 months, I was completely ready to request reinstatement. Sent a letter to the Presiding Overseer/Coordinator. Took 4 weeks for any of my original committee to acknowledge my request. Since we had just prior to that began to meet in person again, they asked that I come in person to the meetings to prove my sincerity; despite the fact that an average of 2-3 dozen and more publishers were only tuning in electronically on teleconference. So I played their game for a few months, and agreed that meeting in person is so much better. Anticipating that soon I would be able to shake hands with and enjoy conversation with my ex-brothers and sisters; I diligently attended for 3 months more. Then I re-submitted my request. A week or so later, the chairman and 1 other elder on the committee asked to see me briefly in the back room. They stated there that they heard "something", from "someone", who claimed that they saw something on the internet in a blog that they "thought" was me saying it. Really? That sounded like conjecture if I ever heard it, and no firm evidence was presented. But it was late and I was tired, and didn't feel like getting into it then. What an emotionally devastating blow of discouragement! If I hadn't developed a fearless and strong emotional constitution over the years, and learned to tap into God's spirit, I probably would have committed suicide by now. And believe me, many in this situation have! So this shows the terrible un-Christlike disposition of "men-pleasers", putting man-made rules ahead of the "mind of Christ", and Jehovah's great mercy and compassion. Eph. 6: 6, 7, Matt. 15: 6, 9, 1 Cor. 2: 16., Psalm 103: 8-13 They are becoming like the Pharisees of Jesus' day! Matt. 23: 4, 13)
I ASKED to be disfellowshipped because I didn't want to play games with God and I knew I wanted to experience things that were denied me in this faith...and hoped to come back one day. THANK GOD I read the Bible by itself, read Crisis of Conscious and discovered the Internet! You'd have to drag me kicking and screaming 😱 to EVER rejoin this evil cult! If you are out...thank God you are and get you a personal relationship with Jesus!😇👏🏽👏🏽🙏🏾
This is so true JT. More importantly those who are disfellowshiped or physically and mentally out don't receive a shepherding call. I was literally out for 1.5 years. No shepherd call nor visit to ask or talk to me about why..... however as soon as they heard I started dating my phone and text blew up with the need to meet with them. By me honestly asking why the urgency now after 1.5 years of silence. I guess that was the wrong question. When I finally agreed to meet, there was no meeting. They had decided my fate prior to hearing my story, having even two witnesses or anything. I walked in to a meeting where they literally told me they just decided to disfellowship me..worst.2 minutes of my life. I often thought of playing their game because my sister said it's "easy now to be reinstated " but I have never been phoney and honestly your channel and others have made me know I made the right choice. Thank you again. I know a sister whose daughter was disfellowshiped and when she died unexpectedly of CA her daughter was treated like she wasn't there at the funeral while her brother who had been reprimanded for cheating was embraced as a grieving human. I liked this couple very much but "witnessing" this was an eye opener for me. They don't promote loving forgiveness and embracing back in. They will always judge.
I wouldn't have even wasted my time going to their "Kangaroo Trial"...especially if I knew they had already made their decision. Brush the dust of my feet and keep on truckin'.
The best way how to fight against elders is to make the thing public. They want to be seen as examples of good. They hate bad reputation. One doesnt simply go meet with them, but every mistake they make must go public.
I was disfellowshipped in 1999. I asked the elders how long I had to wait until a could ask to be reinstated. They said that there was no minimum time limit. So I gave my ‘requested for reinstatement’ letter the next month. The elders immediately let me know that “it was too soon.” I was so angry that in a couple of weeks I stopped going to the meetings all together. Two years later, my wife and I decide to go back to the meetings. I told her, “you know that we won’t be reinstated for at least another year, right?” (She was disfellowshipped for not shunning me) To our surprise, _one month later_ the elders met with us to let us know that we were reinstated. We didn’t ask to be reinstated! We were going to wait a year before making such request. We took it as a win for us.
I’ve been reinstated for four years and have been treated like an outcast ever since then it has truly taken a toll on my mental health. I stopped regularly attending meetings about a year and a half ago. I sit in on an occasional zoom meeting to satisfy my husband.
I'm so sorry. It can be hard to recover from that kind of abuse, but I do hope you know that the problem is them and not you. You're not alone and in spite of what they teach, you do deserve to be alive. I know that for me feeling like Jehovah decided I was deserving of death was a very crushing thing. And then I found out it wasn't the truth, and that probably saved my life in some ways.
I was thinking about being reinstated so I can work my way up and be a member of the governing body and change the shunning rules. And bring back the "free" assembly food.
As much as I miss working in the Food Service department at the Society's assemblies, yet even that still wouldn't be enough of an incentive for this technically "inactive" publisher to return to the Society. But, you definitely have a good idea!
sad, but true as hell. my wife's gone through this shit too. 6 yrs, 8 letters... men and their friends decide, not any holy spirit. don't let them fool you couse you'll loose life waiting for nothing. grts.
I was dfd for a year from 18-19 not for what I had done wrong, I even told on myself the very next day because I felt so guilty and so horrible for the choice I made to get drunk and ended up with a guy at a party. I was dfd because I had dated the nephew, broke up with him after 3 months because I decided I was not ready for marriage and we never did more than held hands one single time, of the elder on my committee was angry that I didn't marry his nephew. I responded with "i did not do anything wrong with your nephew". The response was "I HAVE already made up MY mind and you're being disfellowshipped!". I had to move to a congregation where I had known the elders since I was a child and spoke to the elder who was best friends with my dad who actually told me what was done was wrong. That elder should NOT have been the on my committee at all, much less the lead elder which he was, due to the fact I had dated his nephew. They reinstated me after the obligatory year and I left at 24 , just walked away, after they told my dying dad he couldn't have platelets but he could have bone marrow if he made it that far in his cancer treatments. He did not live in the same area where I was reinstated at that point so not the elders he was friends with prior who reinstated me as a teenager. It's just disgusting the entire process. The questions they asked an 18 year old female, all by myself, three grown men, was absolutely uncalled for and absolutely disgusting!
There is a serious problem when the organisation has to deal with things like this. What happened to the parenting arrangement? Just because a young person is baptised it doesn't invalidate the family arrangement and there should be no Elders involved.
Think this through. What did you gain 🐀-ing on yourself? Did you feel empowered telling three men where you got a 🥜 and if you want another? You are human and made a mistake. Others do it too and go on hassle-free having learned a lesson. You were made to feel like a pervert, lost family and friend and gain stress. Was it worth it?
I was riddled with agonizing guilt and told on myself as well. Same result. Disfellowshiping is a political process. Elders children rarely get df. The wierd family's kid? That another story.
Interesting that these types of injustices have absolutely no recourses in law. This is a law in itself with no protocols . Justice should be blind. The amount of power the elders feel is disgusting. The people "under" them give them this power , they seek validation from them , they seek love from them. Why would you want to be reinstated ?? Surveillance?? Really?? Are they playing God now?
@@freddyray6805 You just mentioned the whole problem in a nutshell and that is from your brilliant analytical mind: "the people under them give them this power" I rest my case. One can write a book with just those words repeated throughout it, and that alone should wake up the deluded flock who think that some supreme entity give them that power.
Top form J T Its So true. They Flip Flop Around With Peoples Lives. ITS A POWER TRIP..JESUS SAID WE MUST FORGIVE FREELY AND SHOW LOVE FOR ONE ANOTHER..HMMM THE TRUTH.
I knew this young person from my mother’s congregation who was disfellowshipped for years. He kept trying to get reinstated, but because he would miss the occasional meeting, the elders will deny his request. Since he didn’t own a car, he would try to hitchhike to the Kingdom Hall. The J-Dubs would see him and keep driving. He eventually got himself a bicycle and got to the meetings this way. For years he would sit in the back, many times crying, yet because of his meeting attendance, as far as I know, he was never reinstated.
I actually walk with my when my son was a baby to the hall my brother and his family pass me up because the elders said I needed to prove that I wanted to be reinstated . I was very sad but one day I woke up and their was a Preacher on the tv talking all I can remember now was the beautiful feeling that came over me that day I never experienced just one of the many things that led me to Chirst hmmmm maybe I should write a book how I was led to Chirst being a born in witness. 🥰
The question is, why would you want to? 🤣 Reinstatement is the furthest thing from the attitud of the prodigal son's father. It is a completely arbitrary process which is based largely on how much your particular elders want to see you suffer and writhe before granting you the privilege of returning, by then you're totally broke down emotionally.
That’s what I did...I was diss’d for a year and played the game and got back in,but the phony love was killing me and the sister wanted to study with me for a year..I was like yeah no and I moved away and started my fade...everything on this video is 100% true
It's kinda funny, while i was trying to be reinstated, i ran into your channel. Which lead to a longg year of research. But guess what, I kept going to the mtgs and was reinstated...as an apostate 😂😂 As you say, it's a business, and all you have to do is follow the protocol 🤷🏿♂️
Missing meetings for work ? But why would you need to prioritize bills,food, shelter and living over a two hour meeting. A two hour meeting to be ignored at that ! It's a wonder those who aren't witnesses say its a cult. Crazy that for a time in my life , I actually believed and ate that nonsense up.
I remember when I was having obvious doubts. On the precipice of considering fading and just flat out no longer caring.... When I saw those who were DF'd I recall thinking to myself if I were EVER DF'd....I would NEVER come back. I actually looked at being Disfellowshipped and those who were as it being an out. An escape for them to NEVER have to come back and for good reason, without being questioned why. I found the hoops and amount of groveling they made individuals go through just for others to treat them like a human.......disgusting.
2017-4-15 got baptized but 2020-12-28 out from WT religion because teachings of the govering body and false doctrines because of the govering body members CULT Follow Jesus Christ and listen to the king and mediator and savior only way to salvation I'm the way and light and truth .... Not governing body 8 men Do not trust governing body 8 men 🤣🥶
I just walked away from it all. I'm disassociated. I don't owe anyone anything. I left in 2006, and til this day my parents ask when im coming back. They don't even talk to me, unless it's to invite me to a meeting or most recently the memorial. I can't be in an organization that won't even speak to their kids just because their beliefs have changed. As for the elders, I knew this was always the case where they take it out on you based on personal opinion. That's just crazy to me. I WILL NEVER GO BACK. For the record.... im doing just fine, I have a family, a career and I haven't gone to prison... you know how it is that most JWs think you become crazy and reckless when you are out. But whatever. I found christ and I'm a believer, and only God is my true judge and he knows my heart.... keep strong everyone. THANK YOU GUYS. I'm so grateful for this channel. I felt like I was the only one... :)
I remember when I got reinstated before this last 20 years and I felt so alone, it was like nobody was speaking to me, none of the "brothers" (elders) the sisters would and them elders hated it. It was only the young people that would talk to me but the elders would just look at me and turn around I felt so out of place I felt like a Wolf among sheep. Where's the SO CALLED LOVE🤦🏽♂️
YES YES YES!!! Thank you JT, this is the video I'm going to use with JWs and show them what they don't see behind closed doors when it comes to the elders and their rules of reinstatement. I've been through this twice and no one wanted to believe me. I had the congregation look down on me after I came back the second time and even heard comments of elder's wives saying "he didn't deserve to come back" I've been out 5 years already, DF but I don't care anymore because my last judicial committee I finally got to tell the elders that this was a man made religion with their rules, and that I will never trust an elder ever again.
Where in the Bible does it say that judge an individual's meeting attendance before reinstatement or write a letter to the elders for reinstatement. However, if the victim is the son or daughter of a prominent elder, he / she gets reinstated pretty quickly. Yes.
JT & Lady C, this was one of your best videos and they are all great. I have seen this up close. One of the worst things about being an elder was seeing the behind the scenes games that were played with people's lives. It started my awakening and exit. Please keep bringing these nuggets to us. STAY SAFE!!!
That's why I never got baptized, because they use it as a weapon, not a loving provision from God. I knew, my original self, tried getting the number for the hook up, the so-called brother said: "I don't know you, the Circuit Overseer said don't give this number out. I said; " why do you go out in field devices work? You got somebody, me trying to listen to the meeting, yet your standing in the way, because some man said: "No!" His response was, "this is Jehovah's arrangement." I said what about the scripture; that says: "I want mercy not sacrifice!" He had No response. I hung up on him, contacted other Halls, and got the hook up number.
You're absolutely correct. When I requested reinstatement it took 3 months because I'm 3rd Gen from a family of well repute and great upwards connections. However, I've seen people that happened to be not so well connected held back for years. Another aspect which shows their claim of "Holy Spirit" appointments to be pure BS.
And its crazy that I watch these videos on RU-vid everyday to motivate myself and encourage myself, the information I receive from you guys really helps me in life to deal with what I grew up in, so I just wanna thank you for helping my life, cause being shunned have different effects on ppl, I've had childhood friends who committed suicide cause of being disfellowshiped or shunned, my 1st comment was made b4 I watched this video entirely, and your right we are treated like a felon literally, and its crazy cause I grew up a great person as a child and soon as I was cast out of my family 1st thing I turned to was a life of crime cause I figured I was gonna die anyways... long story short, these videos helped get my life together ❤
I had people organization say they committed suicide because of their fault relationship with Jehovah. No its because of the sharp pain in their heart they can't get rid of but never been taught to call on the healer Christ Jesus who heals. That's why.
I got married to dfd sister when I was dfd. When I had my reinstatement meeting all they kept asking me is what she did to get dissed which had nothing to do with me, nothing to do with my spirituality, and was old news. Granted I was dissed because I fornicated one time and called my coordinator to confess literally 30 minutes later. One of the sheperds on my committee daugthers liked me and because I had never pursued her I could clearly tell he was out to get me which is why he was so quick to be the chair or the committee. I had to literally convince them that I wouldn't cheat on my new wife. Granted she ended up cheating on me after 8 years of marriage and was only reproved for committing adultery more than once. Its a complete joke
The Troy Michigan congregation culture is similar to a car dealership in its treatment of members. There are the "NEW" ones, the utility models, the POPULAR ONES, the DEMONSTRATORS and then the used lot that get accused, abused and made to feel low by unapologetic, pompous and narcissistic elders. The actual cost never matches the advertised price and when the factory rep comes for a special sales event everyone wears a suit coat even if it's 95 degrees.
@Dazed and confused Really Study Sun Tzu, listen to Mind Games by Lennon and fight with guerrilla warfare tactics on a local level. Raise awareness to those who know the locations of the cult.
A prominent elder in my area told his kids as they became teenagers “never do anything that puts you in a place where you are judged by imperfect men.” That says a whole lot.
Interesting how he had enough knowledge to tell his kids how to stay out of trouble, but didn't have enough critical thinking skills to realize that imperfect men have no business judging folks anyway.
De elders in the organisation mostly are man Who thinks to much of them self. You can have a brother Who is normal. The moment hé becomes's an elder hé Will chance. Not all but the most. One just hated me FOR no reason and every time i wanted to BE baptized hé would say no not yet. To me this organisation brings out all the bad things in humans. What i saw People doing to the ones that wanted to Come back or came back. I AM so glad you put all these things out. IT helps us heal
The three brothers make the call??? I thought JEHOVAH was involved...this entire process is imperfection at its best. As regards the video...very well explained 👏
You right the thing is if you feel you have sin just pray and ask forgiveness you know your forgiven when peace fills your soul. Jehovah don't need elders to handle his task.
The reason why it takes long for a person to get reinstated is really because they want to make you feel like crap. I mean honestly the reinstatement process has really nothing to do with whether the individual is ready to come back or not but it's about if elders feel you are ready. That's not how God dealt with people in the Bible Manesah is one example he was punished for his sins and yet when he pleaded with God for forgiveness God felt compassion and he was forgiven.
Hahahaha. This theme will be awesome. I know of people who had to jump through hoops just to get the elders (not God) to forgive them. And people who were just left to rot!
At 16 I fight a family member literally because I didn't feel I needed to go to know elder I felt Jehovah and Christ Jesus forgiveness I finally because of my sister went to the elders got on public reproof but that was a one of many confirmation that Chirst Jesus was bringing me out to be his true disciple . I grew in my walk with Christ over the years while back and forth hall and Church because I stayed inactive after being disfellowship first time but sometimes would go to the hall I personally got to see the Church and the Hall ways at the same time I realized that the hall was a joke after an same kind of talk at the Hall was the same kind of talk at the Church one week.Guess who gave a better advice to handling the same issue the Church I followed the Church's a answer things went well I knew I needed the Churcha for my life not the Hall. Yet still confused I had to make a decision as one Preacher prophet said she said you know what am talking about e eventually I chosen the Churcha that's why I go disfellowship on my day off Chirst made away to serve him completely. This is my testimony that Chirst is bringing his people to him before he comes back. He waiting for a reason because he invited all to come to him and be save and safe with him.
I’d love to hangout with JT go get a beer and just talk. So many great videos and appreciate all the time and effort you and Lady Cee put in. Thank you guys very much.
This PERSONALLY touched me. I have been disfellowshipped for seven years, but in May 2021 I contacted my elders, requesting reinstatement. I flipped my life upside down. My partner and I weren't married, we had two kids together, but I wanted to make things right with Jehovah and to be approved by Him again, so we separated. I starting getting my life back in line with Jehovah's standards. Not having sex, not living together, teaching my daughter Bible truths, attending meetings, praying again, personal bible study, you name it, I did it. It's been almost 19 months and still no word. They had ONE meeting with me, just telling me to "keep doing what you're doing" and that pretty much summed it up. The only time they spoke with me was when I would send them emails, letting them know I was discouraged, that I needed help understanding a certain teaching, etc. But no one contacted me unless I initiated the conversation. My other, whose inactive, also receives no interaction and no one is reaching out to help or encourage her. They have even said they would set up a sister to come by and study with her or someone would call her, but to avail. Yet, in their publications, they swear by helping inactive ones return to the "truth'. I have seen firsthand that the re-instatement process is pure and utter bull.
I was privately reproved for my sins with a brother I was engaged to. About a week or so later a "brother" in my cong. was DF for cheating on his wife with his mistress for 12yrs. This "bother" was in business with and friends with the PO/Coordinator so he was reinstated after 6 months. It took me about a year to get my privileges back and that was with me going to the elders asking for them back at least once or twice a month. The Judicial meetings and reinstatements are very sexist, cruel, unfair and outright political. If you are in the right clique its a much easier process.
And also too..u have to consider the fact that its not worth going back to people who were probably talking negative behind your back. Only for u to be reinstated for them to smile in your face. Like it never happened.
I remember when I was a JW I was a pioneer and ministerial servant I got disfellowshipped because of fornication. My mentor was on my committee and was the one who advocated the hardest to disfellowship me. When I tried to get reinstated he didn’t want me to come back . I tried once and never went back after.
@@bellavega8048 maybe disappointment but his ex friend also took it personal and elders are not to allow emotional into their judgments because they can't read hurts.
At my mother’s congregation, the presiding overseer’s (now Coordinator) daughter was disfellowshipped. She had to go back to her parent’s house because her baby-daddy was beating her. The elder couldn’t keep her at his home because he would lose his title and position. So he told her that she would be reinstated in the next meeting. The problem was that the young girl did not want to be reinstated, and she openly let that fact be known. Regardless, the announcement was made. She was so angry that she packed her bags and went back to her abusive boyfriend and got disfellowshipped again. *You can’t make up these stories!*
Let’s think about confessions. You have to tell all the nasty details to the elders. Elders will inform other elders. Watchtower will store a record of your deed. The elders will light you up on the podium without using your name. You will get shunned in some form. You may get marked. You will be called a bad associate and have your name dragged in the mud. You may get disfellowshipped and lose your family, friends and support network. All because you are required to rat yourself out. The Watchtower gains a lot in that they get to know someone whose mistakes can ruin its business and use you as a warning example. The person confessing gains nothing, loses a lot and is made into a fool (only fools tell on themselves). 🤔. The members of JW are turned into dummies following some old men in Warwick. Go tell that to non-JW. They will 😆 at you and rightfully so.
My JW Sister commited fornication with her worldly boyfriend never confess and married the guy...years later she commited adultery never confess her worldly husband forgave her...later on they divorced ... she now wanted to marry a JW brother this time...Well they committed Fornication never confess and got married...Now the WT ORG says if a "Sin" was committed years ago you don't have to confess your Conscience is Cleared....so if you want to be an Elder you don't have to Confess your Past Sins...long story short "Keep your Mouth Shut"...😲🤨🤫🤭
@@jessicanerpio-cauldwell4987 it’s odd your sister would tell you her sex life and her 🛌-hopping. Anyway, you are corrected. It’s best to 🤐 about serious sin. On the other hand, a fully indoctrinated witness would still confess because he/she is trained to under threat of losing some invisible divine force and 💀 when Tony Morris and others become angels at Armageddon and massacre people. They are also ignorant of the rule you just mentioned as only elders and apostate know it. Elders won’t tell. They are forbidden to listen to Apostates.
I'm an ex Jw and I am in the hospital. I have internal bleeding. I left a message for my mother. She didn't call back.none of my family cares. Depending on how things go I may need a blood transfusion. I don't really want one. However I feel imoral to leave my sick wife behind. I signed it and will take it if it is the last resort. The disfellowship arrangement is so loving. I'm in the hospital by my self depressed as hell, feel lonely and useless. It's a loving arrangement. Lol whatever you tell yourselves.
I'm sorry you're physically alone in dealing with this. But you're not really alone and many of us understand how you feel. I hope you and your wife are able to recover quickly.
Everyone treats you like an outsider even to the day you're announcement of reinstatement. You walk into the kh and you get the same looks and whispers and are made to feel like nothing, soon as the announcement is made everyone is oh I love you, we missed you blah blah blah, fake smiles and bs. It is pretty eye opening an experience honestly. Though it took me several years and my dad's death to leave, I actually really saw the hypocrisy and blatant fakeness that permeated the organization through that exp. I was just a teenager though and knew nothing else and that year of being cut off from everyone I loved and cared about was horrific, the crap I heard about myself even worse. If I had done half the crap I heard I did wrong... dam... it truly is crazy how members can claim this whole better than existence while treating those who do not share their thoughts and beliefs with such hate and vitriol. I have heard members say they wanted to murder or thatthey were looking forward to the death of even their own family members who came out as gay. I sit here thinking to myself wtf did they do to you personally? How is their life and who they love actually causing you enough harm, or any for that matter, that you would wish and threaten harm and or death on them?! Not the behavior preached but then again it falls right in line when you actually think about what is taught. They tell you to "HATE" what they see as bad claiming Jehovah sees it as a sin. They celebrate the verses in the Bible that talk about death and destruction upon those who did not believe. They celebrate the thought that Armageddon will be the death of billions, even innocent newborns. It is ingrained in members to live for and love the idea of mass murder and hate all the while hiding behind this is Jehovah and his loving provision to take care of only this small group of ppl. It is sick.
You nailed it to a T!! It's sickening! When I left I felt so much guilt for ever going along with that hateful way of thinking. Contrary to their teachings, I'm a much more loving person since I've been out! I'm sure we all are.
The whole cart thing is so crazy. You are so right JT, you can go in service but u need to be approved for the carts? Makes no sense. We had “cart training” at our hall on a school night, after mid-week meeting and I am actually, literally the sister johnson with the 3 kids you always talk about (so that always makes me laugh) anyways, single mom and they said training is after mid-week meeting and I said I can’t stay because my kids are little and need to get to bed and the elder, ever so harshly said: “oh well you’re off carts then” I said “well can’t I make the training up?” He just said nope and walked off. Ice cold. But it happened to be a blessing in disguise because what do I need to even be doing that with 3 kids? 🤪 things completely changed too in the hall when I went from married to single mom status. Omg u felt it. I felt completely forgotten. I moved and one sweet sister showed up to help. I just thought “widows and orphans, yeah right”... no one cared. They would invite the pioneer sister I was talking to to gatherings, in front of me and the babies, and it hurt so badly.
Excellent video JT and Lady Cee. It disgusts me how WT and the people in it practice this hurtful shunning. I was never DFd but many times I would miss meetings and I wouldn't go out in service much. I hated the field service, it just caused so much anxiety in me. I was always treated differently by those in the congregation because of these stupid things. I still get sick thinking about the things I would put myself through just to strive to be treated as if I was really there and part of the congregation, instead of an outsider. This has hurt many people. Thanks for all that the both of you do.
That is so true! JT everything you said is the truth. I stopped going to the KH after watching the ARC trial. Somebody posted it in Facebook in “Somebody Want you to see” column. After many calls inquiring why I was not going to the meetings and knowing that I was not sick, they started following me. I was 71 years old, and I’ve been a widow for 35 years, never remarried. Where I used to lives it was a “dead end”street, so I was getting out or entering my apartment and up the street was the elder car parked! So ridiculous! I laughed every time I saw that! I couldn’t wait to long and sent my DS letter.
JT, of all the videos I've worked with you on thus far, this one really tugged at my heart the most. Looking back through the years and thinking about how we allowed these men to have this much control over our lives is unbelievable. Glad we were able to find our way out of this madness, move on, and begin helping others. The big investment of time has been well worth the effort!
It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest thing could give you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself - anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an improper expression on your face (to look incredulous when a victory was announced, for example) was itself a punishable offence. - George Orwell
I watched women in my local cong date outside of “the truth” and get disfellowshipped, it would take about a year and then they would come back as a couple, married and get reinstated. This happened constantly.
How do YOU know that when a person misses a meeting because of their job, that person is told, "well, you need to find another job brother or sister!!?"
After having served as what was known as a 'prominent elder' during the 90's I underwent a politically motivated removal and subsequent disfelloshiping. I remained in that state for over seven years until I acquiesced to my mother's plea that write to a brother with major 'juice' in the service department 🏬. He had married a special pioneer from our congregation. Within a couple or three months a telephone call came through to me and reinstatement hearing was scheduled and about three months later the reinstatement was granted. There is much more to this story that if told would bring undue scrutiny to other innocent persons. The reason for those six months reinstatements is the brothers were following scriptural guidelines as set out in the two letters to the Corinthians. That all ended with the Bethel purges of the early 80's. A SAD STATE OF AFFAIRS!
