Sevan here’s a question for Mat: in the Buttery Bros games documentaries they sometimes portray Mat as not liking certain competitors, specifically Noah ohlsen, they always pair up the interviews to make it seem like Mat doesn’t like him or is talking shit, I’m wondering if he actually doesn’t like Noah (or other competitors) or if that is just for entertainment purposes in the doc. I’d like to hear his response although I doubt he’s going to give a list of his competitors he dislikes, he has nothing to gain from that. Respect to the 3 of you, thanks for making this podcast!
Questions: Why did Josh not stay in Cookeville? What happened with Good Dudes Coffee- why is josh the only one with Good Dudes what happened with Dan and Rich? Are they all still friends? When did Josh meet Matt? When did Josh train with Tia? How long? Sevan what was your relationship like with Glassman and Dave? Were you surprised when they fired you? What was your plan? Do you still talk to anyone from HQ? Matt which male athletes do you consider friends? What’s your relationship with Noah?
Re: the discussion on COVID testing & the WHO report, the part people are interpreting to suggest we're going to test twice is this: "Where test results do not correspond with the clinical presentation, a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT technology." This is guidance regarding either negative results where clinical suspicion is high, or positive results where clinical suspicion for the disease is low, not for all positive results. The article also goes on to say that "as disease prevalence decreases, the risk of a false positive increases". At the moment, we have high disease prevalence in the US, so suspicion for the disease is high almost everywhere, and there's a very low risk of getting a false positive test (there's actually a much higher risk of a false negative). So, it follows that if you're in the US and you test negative by PCR, you may need to be retested, but if you test positive, you should probably not be retested bc the probability that it's a false positive is very low. Probability of a false positive becomes even lower when you factor in other clinically relevant data, like if the person had a positive close contact, etc. It's also important to note that PCR is a powerful diagnostic tool for covid, but it's not the only factor that goes into it. Sorry, I know this was long and boring :) TLDR: On the whole, we're not gonna start testing twice for positive PCR results, even in people without symptoms. At the moment, if you have one positive PCR test, you'll be asked to quarantine and that will be it. Guidance for testing could possibly change as the # of US cases goes down (fingers crossed).
Love the podcast! Just a chill conversation between a good dude, mat and sevan. Would be nice to turn up volume, whenever adverts come, my speaker almost explode
Whatever ends up happening with these Josh Matt Sevan podcasts I love them. Great entertainment to just sit down and chill and watch and listen. Keep it up!
Thanks for talking about the isolation/depression from This kind of stuff guys. We need more talk about the social issues ahead of us and how our kids will be affected. Good stuff fellas.
For the one rep max strength test argument, I'm a powerlifter, and yes at the high level weight classes are important because all those athletes have their technique tuned in. However, there are many high level women even out lifting men that weigh more than them. Sports like weightlifting and powerlifting have a lot of technique to them. So if you take a big guy with little technique and pin him against a significantly smaller guy with high level technique, the smaller guy will lift more. Just look at the rogue series where they did weightlifting vs. powerlifting vs. crossfit vs. bodybuilding. The weightlifter always out lifted the powerlifter and bodybuilder even though (on the men's side) they had over 100lbs on him in the weightlifting event. That's because the bodybuilder and powerlifter don't have proper technique. Same for powerlifting, the powerlifter usually won the deadlift because even though weightlifters, bodybuilders, and crossfitters deadlift, there are certain techniques powerlifters perfect to give them the upper edge. So that's the same with crossfit testing one rep maxes, there isn't usually that large of a size difference to really make a huge difference in weight for weight classes. I have watched some games where the bigger guys didn't do as well on the heavier movements as they should've because they haven't perfected their form. So if you're a smaller athlete of the bunch going into a one rep max, just work harder to make sure your technique is perfect, and you'll probably out lift at least half the field.
I think what Josh was getting at with the weight classes, is that you test your one rep max and put it in relation to your body weight, and that percentage is what determines your place in that event.
But then aren’t you giving an advantageous body type even more advantages? There’s a reason most top level cross fitters are under 6 ft tall. No need to further advantage them for one event.
I agree with Josh on the 1rm events... In my opinion, your lift should be divide on your weight, and that's your number. Mat would win anyways, but thats a fair way to judge.
I get where your coming from but some events are going to benefit certain athletes but like mat said the point is to be well round. Like Mary literally fucked Brent, all 3 exercises benefited a shorter athlete? Where's the fairness in that, there's no height classes?
The heavier you are the stronger you are, but the lighter you are the stronger you are per pound of bodyweight. If you divided by weight the lighter guys would win
Question: What was the conversation like between Mat and Ben when he ended the coaching relationship between them? Also, is there a future video of a Motorcycle Road Trip between y’all like the old school media days?
To help Josh and give Mat something to think about. The max should be judged like the Sinclair total at a Olympic weightlifting meet. Also if there is a long run I think athletes should have to run with a ruck that is a percentage of their weight .
So I was painting the house and I am at the end of it and listening to this got me through it, aside from the stopping to laugh as Josh and Sevan tried to get a bite from mat I finished. So funny guys keep this going for sure. BTW I spell my name with one T as well Mat, good to see another Mathew that can spell 😂😂
Josh’s perspective: 1 RM for Olympic lifting and powerlifting have a class system in order to test relative strength compared to absolute strength, and that absolute strength is an impossible test for people that don’t pertain to the that weight class. Mat/Sevan perspective: absolute strength is an important test of fitness and that people’s body weight can be used against them in other events such as running that could be detrimental as well. I am sure this doesn’t encapsulate their whole arguments, but I think both sides have extremely valid points.
I’ve heard Mats story getting into crossfit. But he always skips over from like I was an out of shape weight lifter dabbling in a few workouts, then won a local competition and then a while string of competitions after that. I always wanted to hear that story unpacked. What did the budding Fraser with no cardio probably smoking looked like when he was doing those early crossfit workouts? Did his competitive nature just bury himself in those early classes and that’s how he got good enough or did he get the bit in after he had that first success?
The weight class discussion is valid. If you just look at the years where the leaderboard was shaken up the most it was years where weights took a backseat to gymnastics. This is compounded when you've earned a spot based on the open which is pure capacity based, now you've got a guy at 165 going against a guy at 225 testing pure strength events or at least events that require a high baseline strength to perform reps.
I have a question for Mat. His off season blows my mind. I feel like dirt taking off 2 months. Can you explain what your body and capabilities feel like from the lowest of your offseason to getting back in competitive form? Why not put in like a casual fitness level hour a few days a week to taper that fall? Is it all mental?
I’m sure they get what he means but they know there are many events that’s cater to different people. Plus mat is usually or always top 3 in strength events and he isn’t the biggest guy.
Really good to see you addressing the current Lockdown situations across the planet, cannot agree more with your views on humanity, mask wearing and effects on people. Like Jeff says it very interesting but more people need to speak out about it and support those who are struggling. Enjoying this podcast thank you 💪🏼
Love this podcast! Dropping fact bombs about covid! So glad there are people that understand this! I feel so alone about this, my views are very similar to you guys and there are not many people around me that feel the same way!
At the CrossFit games they should do a weigh in, and your score is pound for pound strength. It just depends on what they are trying to test, though. Is it just who can lift the most, or who is actually the “strongest?” Pound for pound strength would be a fun implementation for the CrossFit games.
Future questions: 1.Phone etiquette 2. What supplements do they recommend for crossfiters 3. Hottest/prettiest female crossfit athlete 4. Random: get mat and josh to compete in an online quick workout for the fans in the call to see who beats who and can trash talk the other until the next wod or fitness challenge Sevan, buy a good mic from amazon and ship it to Mat’s house
I agree with Josh on the weight issue, I've actually argued this a lot before, Crossfit should do away with 1 Rep maxes due to the excess amount of other ways to test strength in our sport.
I just don’t think that’s a good argument. A 1RM is different than hitting heavy DT, or doing 4x10 of deadlift at 405lb. This is the same as saying “why do a trail run, you can test cardiovascular endurance in a metcon”. They both test conditioning, but in different ways. Similarly, a 1RM tests something specific.
I still think that it would be an interesting documentary to show all the behind the scenes of Crossfit drug tests. It's so intense that I can't imagine there are many, if any, that have legitimately gotten away with it.
I think Josh is right about the 1RM events. I like seeing them but I wished the winner was determined based on weight lifted compared to body weight in the form of a percentage. Plus, in terms of its being for show, a 200 pound guy deadlifting 500 pounds is 250% of his body weight. I think saying it that way would be good television. Fraser would still beat Bridges... just sayin...
It’s an interesting discussion. I think weightlifting / wrestling / mma have weight classes because there’s a lot less entertainment value in no weight classes. If there was one class in each it wouldn’t be as fun to watch. I don’t think crossfit lacks entertainment value the same way as having one weightlifting class in the Olympics. A sport like track and field doesn’t have weight classes but they make up the entertainment value by having 15-20 different Olympic events. The crossfit games generally have 15 events. If crossfit implemented weight classes I would be curious to see the impacts. Generally, in weight class sports people try to cut weight and compete below their walking around weight. In crossfit I think we would see the opposite, guys trying to get into the heavier category. Josh was trying to say the individual one rep max event should be scored on body weight ratio. I don’t think there’s a good comparison out there. What sport has people compete in the same category but score events based on body weight?
I one hundred percent agree with Josh with weight classes in 1-rep max Olympic lifts. There should be. It won't be as fun to watch but it would be fair.
It was a luge competitor that died and that was after being advised not to start at the top of the track and that due to the speeds they were travelling, the last turn was extremely dangerous...he left the track on the finish straight-away, was sliding along the raised wall and impacted a steel pillar at high speed. Scary to watch the footage, but the organizers were warned this was highly possible. Sad too.
I agree so much with Josh...1RM are catered to big guys. I would love to see % of body weight inco[erated into the CrossFit Games as it relates to oly lifts.
100% I think that the heavy lifting events should have body weight factored in...but it definitely does open up the discussion in terms of how to take weight, stride length, and hydrodynamic drag coefficient into consideration for other events like gymnastics, running and swimming events.
Food for thought around the depression conversation. As of now Covid has claimed over 400,000 lives and scientists believe the toll is higher due to excess death counts. Last year approx 48,000 people committed suicide. Depression is difficult, I have personal experience, and human contact and affection is important but this can be achieved in small structured groups while we try as a community to reduce the spread of this virus. Both of my kids wear masks each day and kids are quick to adapt and learn new things. They know they are loved and they see friends with masks. When this first started kids reshaped the game tag to Covid so they will always be aware of what is going on, whether you tell them or not. Sometimes it is better to be open and honest and let people know what is going on and you are there to help and they are not alone.
I think it would be dope for Crossfit to be the sport to not to do 1 rep maxes but 7 rep maxes for the crossfit total the entertainment value would for sure be there cause its nothing most people have ever seen or I bet train and in my opinion Crossfit fits the mold of doing something over and over versus just that 1 rep could call it the Triple 7
I think the most fair way to do it would be for the athlete to weigh in just before the event and then to calculate the weight lifted as a percentage of the athlete’s body weight. That way you can see who’s strongest pound for pound
@@TGoodie1717 I’ve always thought that, so percentage based strength. It would be a nice consideration especially what happened with Josh’s situation in the open.
@@TGoodie1717 But then make sure to do weight so we know who’s the best gymnast pound for pound or the best runner pound for pound. CrossFit is about all these modalities combined, why single out stronger athletes on strength but not all the other modalities that have inherent biases based upon body type?
I doubt Josh would read this but with regards to a 1RM and the need to have it here's the thoughts of a nobody who doesn't compete and finished 1000th in the open in my region at my fittest. What measures absolute strength more effectively than a 1RM deadlift? I'm open to new ideas, but I can't think of a simpler (more elegant -since that's part of the rhetoric) way to test that energy system than a 1rm lift. Maybe a snatch or clean and jerk could be argued, but the Crossfit total is a great example. The weight class conversation is a tough one because it's Crossfit, it's the sum of all parts. If you want weight classes in the lifting, then Josh and Speal have to do strict HSPU with a 30lb weighted vest and to a 6" deficit to match what Fikowski has to do, or thrusters to a box jump to match his range of motion. See what I'm suggesting? If you want a mathematical even playing field for one event, it should be considered for them all. There's a reason every guy that wins is 5'8 195 and never 5'5 170 or 6'3 210.
On the topic of weightclasses, check out Kyokushin Karate world cup open class. Its kinda cool to see the david vs goliath fights and its not always the big guys who wins.
Maybe they should make 1 rep max based upon body weight percentage. This way the huge weightlifter doesn’t have the advantage and a smaller person who lifts higher percentage could win. That evens it out. Thoughts?
The whole weight class argument, I think there's a point that regardless of technique, If someone of Josh's size needed to land middle of the pack or higher in that event, the muscle he would need to gain would make him suffer across the board in most other events.. kind of agree a weight class in 1rms would be a better indicator of all around fitness. Or some kind of point addition based on height and weight. I get there's small dudes with amazing technique and posture that lift ridiculous numbers.. but usually... pro lifters
Nearly all crossfit games athletes fit in the Olympic 96kg/196lbs category the was a couple of athletes over but Josh seemed to be the only one in the 81kg/178lbs category
I want to know why Mat picked Cookeville? I know he's mentioned it's for tax purposes but is there a chance he was hoping to train with rich and the mayhem crew and be a part of what they have going on? Was he hoping to be around other games athletes?
So I know I’m late to the game, but your podcast name has to be the Insta-Goat-ers. Partially because of what you guys have done within CrossFit/fitness in general. Also, you guys are probably the best instigators in CrossFit in a fun good way. Seven, I love watching your documentary on the World Series of ultra-marathons. Such a big fan of all you guys!!! #beersonme for Josh, your next round of golf at Bonita on me :) #SunDiago founded by the Germans...
