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@@filipmijac9328 the shot was perfect. passed one window with a classic Greg "idk what happened" shrug to a Machiavellian smirk in the next. Greg is learning fast from the Roy's
I think Sarah Snook's performance here was incredible. That feeling you get when you get caught in a lie and have absolutely zero idea of how to recover just makes you feel and come off as so stupid. The stutters, the illogical things that do manage to come out...she captured all of that so perfectly. Easily made this my favorite scene in the episode
Greg could have won by doing nothing. He was stupid for staying in the game when he could have inherited a lot more by staying on better terms with Ewen.
What does he get out of this? Just staying on the "boys" side? Why exactly does everyone want to sabotage this deal? Isn't it 190billion or something. Everyone would be rich beyond measure. I guess Greg has security with this job.
I like to think Greg doesn’t care about the deal but wants to be in everyone’s good graces so he can use that it to his advantage if he needs to. Greg is not an idiot, he learned how to play the game so he never has to be a mascot again. And from what we saw with Shiv, if you threaten Greg, he’ll get you back. Tom may be next
@@lockekappa500 he is on mattsons side and on kendall side. however this comes out, he is good. Also tom is soon out of the picture and shiv is done w the boys after this episode. if he plays his cards well greg can soon be the head of ATN and the #3 behind rome and ken in the company. He also had nothing to win w shiv. if he lied to kendall and rome he would be worst off than being on shivs side. If she offered him something like Logan did w the cruise papers he might have stayed w her.
That’s the problem shiv always had. Logan was a monster but he was right about his diagnosis on his kids. Shiv is a coward who is too afraid to put all her eggs in one basket, there is an time where keeping too many options available bites you in the ass
@@ugoeze7360 yeah, kendall is a fucking nobody, he's a nobody because he's obsessed with being a somebody, but i'll give kendall credit, he's rising above his flaws which makes sense after all the abuse he's endured but we saw some cracks this episode, it's like he's battling himself
@@jcnom6606 I still believe Logan is spot on Kendall. Kendall only pushed the button when he got confirmation about his sister's betrayal, TWICE. If he had changed, he'd have pressed the button as soon as he secured the backing of a strong candidate who would block the deal he wanted. I think the children are each other's worst enemies. If they had dealt with each other in good faith, they'd have accomplished more than what they have now.
@@skugga7 at some point you have to make a decision... Ken DOESNT want to back Jayden because he knows he is a disaster for the country. But as soon as he found out the Jimenez route was BS, he went all in with the ONLY other option he had on the table... Good call? No.. it was they only choice
@@sagarthegreatable But does Mecken really back Roman?. Because he's just said that he's going to drop the deal, but we still don't know if he's going to be a second Matsson.
@@jcnom6606 mencken will back roman because kendall has brown kids and is a liberal mencken winning puts roman in a much stronger position to take the reins
As soon as Kendall went out to call Nate I just started laughing and clapping at my tv. Then Greg smirking and shrugging at Shiv was just a cherry on top. Amazing scene.
You could tell how conflicted Kendall was this episode between doing what he felt was right vs what would be best for the company and him becoming CEO. It’s when he realizes Shiv’s betrayal where he no longer cares, the self confidence “killer” in him has been building all season, and there’s no turning back now, he is becoming/has become his father.
I don't think it had anything to do with what he felt was right. He did not want to support Mencken because Mencken was Roman's guy, so siding with Mencken gives Roman too much power which would thwart his plan of having the crown to himself. All the talk about the "right thing for the nation" and whatnot is just doublespeak.
He chose the deal over his daughters peace of mind and well being……do I really think Roman can trust Mencken? Fuck no……Roman has become my least favorite character and Kieran is playing him beautifully cuz I HATE ROMAN
I wish everyone would stop with this whole "killer" narrative. Kendall is not his father. He's proven that many times. He never will be his father. He's no killer. I really doubt that he will end up as the head by the end.
Notice how Roman only feels comfortable sanctioning it once Kendall agrees, and how Shiv goes off the rails once Kendall agrees with Roman? There is and always has been subtle things that suggest Kendall is the most powerful and imply he truly would be the true Successor
I agree. The day after Logan died, everyone naturally came to Kendall like he had already succeeded. Kendall just wants his siblings around, and doesn't want to be alone like Logan.
This was satisfying to watch. I still can’t go over the fact that Shiv has been doing all this bidding for Lukas and yet he did not guarantee her a position. She made a bad deal with the devil over family pettiness. Plus she had the nerve to threaten Greg.
Exactly@! Matson didnt even promise her something solid and she keeps betraying her family... that's nuts...and her caracter is not that clever at all.. she even doesn't know what Tom did for her ... she even wants to play the pegnancy card on him by annoncing the news on that critical time so she can manipulate him again 😅 that's enough Shiv.. no please!!
Great scene. I like how when Ken calls Shiv a piece of dirt she’s genuinely taken aback, it’s like a “damn… he really meant that and is genuinely disgusted with me”
@@uhuhuh1966 Nahh, they did it to her first by pushing her out to become co-CEOs. They could've easily all had it but they pushed her out right away, which led directly to her backstabbing them.
@@unadanni yeahhh they wanted to fuck the deal first when she thought they all wanted to be out. i love how some people are acting like roman and ken have a moral highground here lmaooo
@@unadanni they decided that with her in the room and said it was just temporary and they would have her back, they never even got the opportunity to do so before she went behind their backs and stabbed them
@@dyingforeddiemunson them ruining the deal wasn’t a betrayal to her though, it wouldn’t ever affect her position. Sure them not telling her was a crappy thing to do but it wasn’t something that would change her life forever like what she did aligning with Matsson.
@@kingsleycy3450 not saying Logan actually gave a shit about what his kids wanted but yes in his own twisted way everything Logan did was for his kids. For the family
Greg has always been part of Kendall's master plan for everything. He saw that he was both a snake and willing to go the extra length to get somewhere. The interesting part here is that with Logan gone, Greg only sees Kendall as the winner since Greg always went with the person that had the highest chances of winning and keeping him safe.
One of Shiv’s many missteps here is thinking she can pass off a casual bluff like it’s another Thursday afternoon at Waystar and not presidential election night. Kendall needed details not vague innuendo. Throw in a combative Roman and it’s a situation where a world class lie is required. This is a blow to the two people left in the Pinky Can Dance community
Shiv thinks the entire game is played in the shadows. And Logan even told her she is a coward. Which is exactly what a coward would do. She isn’t leading. She’s trying to scheme.
They’re all screwed up Kendall is an addict who only cares about power and Roman is an insecure little boy who has mommy and daddy issues and will never amount to anything he’s the most immature Roy and that’s saying something
It is very ironic Shiv called Tom a Pontius Pilate while she’s been the one who has consistently betrayed Tom and her family time and time again for her own personal gain.
last few episodes have been all about projection and reflection, Tom talking about information being a glass of wine and smashing someone's face with it. Well, ironically Shiv did literally that exact same thing to him with her pregnancy, she held on to it, and waited for for the right moment to smash him in the face with it.
You can feel the desperation of Shiv voice, her world is crumbling down. Logan never belived in her, Kendall, Roman and Tom are hating her right now, and even Greg mocks on her. By the end of the series there's not gonna have a place for her on Waystar.
It's probably a blessing really . Seems like an evil place to work/run. Shiv would be better off starting over and focusing on healing with her baby. She had a shitty abusive father and it'd be nice if she stopped caring what he thinks even from the grave
@@Selkie7 exactly Shiv actually has some values and standards unlike her siblings, and you can see it in this episode where she wants the best president for the country, not just someone who will benefit her. They are all toxic, she should leave and build a life without them, they don’t value what she thinks anyway and completely pushed her out when the two brothers took over.
@@quantumwitcher9376 She was never the black sheep, it's just that she was never involved in the company like Kendall and Roman, just politics but despite this she wants the top job.
I mean, when she talked to Greg like she was the one in control, I taught that she really made the worst move in HBO history. She should've known where she was and how to cool him down.
God every episode this season is epic. Watched this one twice already. Several times over this series Greg has asked "Hey, what about me?" and he always gets jerked around, and it always comes back to bite whoever he asked. Take care of Greg!
@@quantumwitcher9376 + that on top of him already having been the face of the Cruise scandal means he is 100% fired at best and maybe even risks jail at worst
Shiv's really bad at offering other people incentives, when it's not based on some kind of political angle. She completely fumbled the opportunity to win Gerri over when she found out that Roman was sending her dick pics. She completely fumbled the opportunity to reignite a partnership with Tom when he offered to get back together and she seemed open to it, especially since she was on the other side of her brothers. She completely failed to get Mattson to offer her something solid after backstabbing her brothers, and she completely failed to offer Greg anything of substance to cover for her. Shiv was right very early on, going way back to season 1: she was supposed to be in politics, not business. The only reason why she's trying to be in the business and why she plays that game, is because Logan promised her that he would give the business over to her, but even after he did, he still wanted her to go through training of the business...but she doesn't want to. She just wants the business for the sake of power, but doesn't really have any idea what to do with it, which is why all her wins are temporary and usually don't go anywhere.
as always Shiv overestimates her own intelligence and capability, underestimates everyone else's and is woefully unprepared to navigate situations where her name alone isn't enough to make people bend over for her
@@shakastaka8678 great takes from both of you, I am convinced that out of the three siblings, she will hit rock bottom the hardest. I don't see any redemption or positive final outcome for her character. The typical aging, bitter, business oriented western woman who sacrificed everything for a career and who will end up alone and sad. I am still not even convinced she is pregnant after all the lies and deceptions she pulled on Tom through the show, gets to show you how untrustworthy Shiv is.
I hate all 3 siblings equally at this point, but it was so great to see Ken finally make a real power play even his father would respect. I also love Tom staring Shiv down as he made the phone call to call it, Tom gives zero shits about Shiv right now.
Kendall Roy is truly Michael Corleone, clumsy in the beginning and then slowly but surely growing and becoming even more cynical and straight-forward than his dad. He's gonna end up with the crown, all alone on the throne. He's not hesitant, he's cunning, he makes the moves and he actually acts on everything he finds to be the right move. Fikret. Shiv is irresponsible, erratic, a coward and a cheater. Romulus simply doesn't think in scope and fucked himself with the Gerri situation, all while still being a child.
idk. we see kendall very unstable too. he has a very weak self image. he was about to switch to jimene cuz he doubted he was a good person, then he said f**k shiv we going w mencken cuz his feelings got hurt, cuz in reality Ken just wants to be "the" guy. he is extremely desperate to be seen as the leader which is why he doesnt like mencken. mencken likes rome, not ken. He is hesitant too idk why u say he is. this entire episode he hesitated every move until the end. i dont like any of the sibligns. greg the egg ftw
I’m gonna say it… I’m gonna say it, I’m sorry but I’m gonna say it: This is the moment when Walter White became Heisenberg. Kendall spent this episode scraping desperately for his last shred of humanity, doing everything to convince himself to come back from the brink, Roman representing the pragmatic devil on his shoulder and Shiv being the hypocritical, sanctimonious angel. In the end, it didn’t come down to ideology or talking points. The last thing that Kendall truly held sacred (other than his children, whom he can convince himself he’s working for no matter what he does) was the bond with his siblings, forged in his confession about the vehicular manslaughter incident and cemented in their father’s death. Shiv’s betrayal, following how much he had confided in her and how much vulnerability he had shown her as his only sister (which is so much more than you show your brothers as a man) proved to Kendall once and for all what he was trying to prevent himself from believing. The truth doesn’t matter. Morality doesn’t matter. Friendship doesn’t matter. Emotions don’t matter. Family doesn’t matter. All that matters is winning, and the loyalties built on mutual self interest that will get you to that point. Now that Kendall’s dropped the final anchor, nothing’s stopping him from transforming into his father, a man without love who trusts no one and uses every tool in his arsenal to destroy his enemies. Roman might have thought he was the real winner out of the siblings tonight, and Shiv will try to play whatever angles she can from the outside with Mattson, but unlike Roman, Kendall isn’t becoming his father just for the sake of imitating him. Through great personal conflict and pain, Kendall finally, truly sees why his father was the man that he was. Life’s not knights on horseback. It’s a number on a piece of paper, it’s a fight for a knife in the mud. He’s learned these lessons the hard way, and the final two episodes will show us the beast that emerges from the flames. Holy fucking shit this show is amazing.
If I could, I'd nominate this comment for a Pulitzer. Spot fucking on. This is the kind of analysis I'd always hoped to read about Kendall; it's exactly what I've been brewing on throughout the entire series but couldn't articulate. Bravo.
The sad thing is though, Kendall allowing Mencken to be called for the Presidency will not affect him one iota, zip. Whatever happens with Waystar, Kendall and the other three will be rich beyond their wildest dreams. The thing about Kendall is, out of all the siblings he feels the most guilty about the Wealth he's been born into, and deep down he doesn't feel like he deserves it, but doesn't want to give it up either. So he wants to be seen as his own man, Self made and separate from his Father, but he isn't... When it comes down to it, he is the son of a Billionaire. That's what his whole Season 3 arc was about. He is self aware, and that's what makes his actions in this episode, that much worse. He's not acting out of some kind of misdirected grief or insecurity like Roman or Shiv. He's being calculated. When he saw his name on that piece of paper (Underlined/Crossed Out?) he felt validated. He felt like his dad (At least at some point) saw him as worthy of being his Successor. And that's when his ambition began taking over his self awareness. I think one of two things will happen in the Finale, and neither of them good for Kendall. Either, he will get Waystar by manoeuvring in such a way that it completely crushes any semblance of a conscience he has left. Leaving him as the Top Dog but deeply unhappy and wracked with an enormous sense of guilt he will have to bury deep inside him to stay at the top. He will, without realising it become the very thing he fears: Just like Logan. Or, Shiv will use the information she has about the dead waiter and make it public, along with Roman's dick pick scandal and bury them both. Roman's miss step may well be forgiven in time, but Kendall will be a rich social pariah forever, sort of like an OJ Simpson, and may even wind up in legal trouble. Whoever does the most fucked up thing will win in the end!!
And now we see why Logan was so hesitant to bring Shiv on board and give her power. She's all about the politics and what this and that means for the country. Logan never gave a fuck about any of that, neither do Kendall or Roman. They don't care about the greater good, just what's best for the company or themselves.
Kendall is the best of them, he always tries to protect them and I haven't seen him go as low as his sibling have gone at him. Even at how mad he is in this scene he calles her a "Piece of Dirt" instead of cursing at her
Amazing scene. Jeremy Strong manages to show us how hurt Kendall is about Shiv lying to him, but at the same time makes clear that at the end of the day Kendall keeps making terrible decision based on vengeance and pity
@@oneaboveall8190 the copium in these comments is starting to become unhinged. Next Ken will start pushing people off of buildings for offending him and y'all will be like "he's making hard decisions just like his father"
@@johnjungkook2721 what would you have done in this situation huh? Allow the opposition to win and get played by shiv .He didn't have any other choice.
@@johnjungkook2721 it was 100% the right decision. Good for ATN, good for breaking up the deal, good for having "their guy" in power rather than Jimenez and his people who hate the Roys and wouldn't talk to them.
Roman is a monster but at least he's a monster who acknowledges who he really is. Shiv is horrible but she wears this mask of being righteous. Of the three, I think she is the worst and I think the scary thing is, she thinks she's better than all of them.
Shiv is a typical corporate democrat. Shouts about the future of the country and saving democracy blah blah blah when it’s really about her own monetary self interests. Only when she is caught does she get all moral authority and say this is about the future of the country.
Nailed it! “We need to save democracy”… as we do everything in our power to destroy it. This was one of the most satisfying scenes in the series on many levels.
I was WAITING for it all to come crashing down on her 💀🍿 I acknowledge her caring for the health of democracy but Shiv also appears to believe she is a master manipulator and smarter than everyone so she can play everyone as she pleases but these same folk are who she decries behind closed doors and betrays. This scene was inevitable.
Four seasons of Shiv backstabbing, playing both sides, and being self-serving finally came home to roost. Sad to see, because the Roys are definitely about to lose everything after this.
This scene is so fucking wild. It's Shiv in a room with three other people that should be on her side, if not for her doing the dumb version of Machiavellianism all season
Shiv is such a snake. She cheats on a loyal Tom in the early seasons, turns it around on him being the asshole. She acts like she's apart of this alliance with her brothers when the last 3 seasons all she's wanted was to destroy them, at least Kendall maybe not Roman. She's heartless, and she never had loyalty to the family. She literally joined a presidential campaign of a guy who her dad and ATN hated and vice versa. She's an evil person. She's a great actor
Every once in a while I'll see acting performances and think 'Why do people praise actors so much, this doesn't seem too hard to do". Then I'll watch performances like Sarah's here and realized "Yeah, this is fucking acting and is fucking incredible". What a cast, holy shit.
A lot of Shiv fans in the comments salty that Kendall is going to win and she’s going to be alone. Pinky made her bed with Mattson. Roman made his bed with Gerri. And before everybody starts grasping at straws with the waiter. All the evidence is gone, Logan driver is already in Ken’s pocket so they aren’t going to go there. My boy Kendall becomes Logan at the end of this funeral. I will say. I do feel bad for Roman bc he was given a raw deal. But that’s life.
@Chuck Buskee how arrogant are you to think that just because you have a different opinion it makes you smarter ? 😂 it’s a fictional show you don’t know shit and the other guy Dosent know shit it’s just a difference of opinion you don’t have to get hard just because people don’t share the same opinion as you.
@Chuck Buskee settle down Chuck. You are becoming the definition of a salty Shiv fan. I’ve been watching every episode from the beginning. When did they reference the waiter this season? Also where would the continuity be? The cruise debacle was far worse and Kendall didn’t actually kill the waiter. Waiter killed himself in that crash. Logan covered it all up and there is no proof. Also, if you don’t understand that at this point Kendall is becoming Logan. You’re lost. They have literally been foreshadowing it (hitting you in the head with it) since the letter episode. It’s over man. Let it go.
@Chuck Buskee if things go your way ill apologise in this comment section. And if things go my way I'll play boar on the floor with whatever nuerons are left in your brain.
Did Shiv really get angry at Tom for doing his job. It was 2 against 1 to call it, and Mencken did win Arizona... so.... idk what she expected of him to do. Inflate the numbers like her boyfriend?
I Really dislike Shiv and I like how Kendall instantly goes kill mode despite him being worried about the ethical choice and his daughter this episode. It's good to see that side of him still there
Cant believe there are genuine Shiv stans out here. The character is just horrible in general and lacks any sort of self awareness. Everything that is happening to her is only her fault because she thinks she way smarter than she actually is. There is literally zero quality that makes her likable. I really dont understand what Tom saw to love her apart from her wealth and power.
I almost feel bad for shiv; she's turned everyone against her including her own husband and her two brothers. She really couldn't have played this worse, and the worst part is she was right in this situation and maybe could've convinced kendall if she played things even slightly better
A lot of people in the comments seem to be forgetting the fact that Shiv has lots of ways to destroy her brothers. And at this point I think this is the most possible outcome in the series, Shiv is going to burn down everything down exposing Roman's harassment to Gerri and Kendall's involvement in the death of the waiter
@@IwinMahWay You remember they were ready to let Kendall go to jail for the cruise stuff, right? The only thing that saved him was the fact that he decided to turn the table
She can easily get roman. His racist and sexist comments that he keeps making- like the one about the Blacks and the Jews in this episode - will also help fuck him. But i don't think she really has much on Kendall is the problem. She has no proof about the waiter thing. It's just her word, and that's not gonna fly when there's a known rift and disagreement about the company. It'll play as too obviously Machiavellian.
Throughout the series, Kendall and Shiv wish they could trade places. Shiv wants the professional respect that Logan bestows upon Kendall. Kendall wants the personal affection that Logan bestowed upon Shiv.
She always has some options and brings that up every time she screws up. Definitely, the weakest link in the company, a sitting duck for every advisory they had.