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KSGER 858D Hot Air Rework Station Review 

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Looking for a decent & powerful hot air rework station that doesn't take up much space or lighten your wallet too much? If so, you may want to consider KSGER's 858D; especially if you already have one of their awesome little T12 soldering stations. If you like the T12, chances are you'll like their 858D. Let's have a closer look at it.
Product & original T12 station review links below:
1. KSGER 858D Hot Air Station Built Version:
www.banggood.com/custlink/vDG...
2. KSGER 858D Hot Air Station DIY Kit Version:
www.banggood.com/custlink/mKv...
3. 858D Heat Gun Magnetic Holder:
www.banggood.com/custlink/KKK...
4. GX16 8 PIN Connector Set:
www.banggood.com/custlink/mmv...
5. GX16 Connector Mod Video:
• KSGER Hot Air Station ...
6. KSGER T12 Solder Station Review Video:
• KSGER T12 Review - The...
Video Chapter Time Index:
- Intro & unboxing 0:00
- Hot air rework air flow types 1:07
- What we get & station overview 2:03
- Basic operation 6:13
- Setup menu overview 10:37
- Inside the heat gun 13:28
- Inside the station 16:05
- Air flow & temperature testing 19:14
- Final thoughts 21:48
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Комментарии : 122   
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 4 года назад
858D hot air stations: amzn.to/4alNJ02
@rocktrader2
@rocktrader2 4 года назад
Thanks John, good honest review on the product. You explain the pros and cons thoroughly. By doing your suggested mods it becomes much more ergonomic and user friendly unit. I like the fact that you can take a product of good value and turn it into a highly functional one, for little money. I'm glad I stumbled upon your channel. I rang the bell and I am looking forward to your mod videos.
@AndyGJorgensen
@AndyGJorgensen 4 года назад
Just bought my KSGER Hot air station mostly based on your review and demonstration of the insides I hope I'm as happy as you. looks like a better built unit than some that I have seen.
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 4 года назад
Hope you enjoy it.
@joshm264
@joshm264 4 года назад
I'm getting one of these soon and can't wait to see the mod!
@hamsterwolf
@hamsterwolf 4 года назад
holy shit someone who actually knows the name of that plug.
@danieldutch8621
@danieldutch8621 4 года назад
Hi John, just found your channel this week and am enjoying your videos. Your knowledge, explanations and timing are great. I just ordered one of these units a few days ago and I too was disappointed at the lack of the GX16 8 Pin connection, so I'm looking forward to seeing your next video on that. I hope you'll film the entire process and don't edit out any important steps for noobs like myself. If the modification process doesn't involve any serious machining of the case I might order the GX16 set too. Many thanks for the great info!
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 4 года назад
I'll do my best to cover it adequately. Will be modding it today :-)
@danieldutch8621
@danieldutch8621 4 года назад
@@Rchelicopterfun Much appreciated. I'm looking forward to it.
@rafenwulf
@rafenwulf Год назад
Good news, Ali sells it with a GX16 socket as a standard now. Thanks for the detailed video about this nifty little hot air station!
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun Год назад
Thanks for the info
@kostastzanas5998
@kostastzanas5998 2 года назад
Excelled review, thank you. I was thinking buy one of this
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 2 года назад
Thanks for the visit 🙂
@chrishealey8408
@chrishealey8408 2 года назад
Hi John, I have the same Auyou Station as you and wanted a smaller footprint. I Bought the Ksger T12 Iron about 6 months ago and like it a lot. I received the Ksger SMD Rework Station a week ago and it is significantly different from the one in your review. The menu is the same as yours but the inside is wired with a small 24 V transformer, a tack welded clock battery and no magnetic switch in the airgun. I am new to electronics so I can not describe to you all the differences. That being said the unit seems to work well . I appreciate your video and hope to see more from you.
@ats89117
@ats89117 4 года назад
Great video! Looks like a great product, but WTF were they thinking when they left out the stand? Just incredible...
@derekchua6383
@derekchua6383 3 года назад
hi, can i ask you some question above the hot air gun using multi meter to test it
@th3drizzl378
@th3drizzl378 4 года назад
there are actually 2 versions of this unit now. the new one doesnt screw to the bottom of the chassis they redesigned the board to slide in like the soldering stations. i just ordered one of those boards to compare to these units.
@untrust2033
@untrust2033 4 года назад
Now all we need is a bench power supply to match :)
@travisfrost6508
@travisfrost6508 3 года назад
the timer could help when removing an ic if you are having trouble pulling pads. help keep work consistent.
@MarcelHuguenin
@MarcelHuguenin 3 года назад
Hey John, I have the newer release of this unit and am quite happy with it (did not buy it as one complete set, purchased handle some time ago but now decided to buy the DIY controller unit - I have the matching T-12 soldering unit as well). The handle does not have the little NTC although the connection pcb looks similar to yours. I have set the controller to use the cpu temp. There is a wire in the handle as well as the connection to the controller but I can't find what the resistance value of the NTC should be. Could be between 1k and 100k I guess. How much would it differ between using cpu temp and NTC sensor in handle? Do you know the resistance value or maybe could you please measure it? I can't find it anywhere. Thanks a lot for your help!
@electro3976
@electro3976 3 года назад
Hi just an update for anyone buying one of these i received my one in the post yesterday. Before powering it up i would recommend checking the unit carefully as the fan in the wand was wired in reverse also there was no heatsink on the Triac and the soldering on same was shit plus the usual problem with the case not being grounded. Now that it up and running its a great little unit and performs very well. The unit i received was the REV 3.0 with the PCB mounted sideways and pre installed GX-16
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 года назад
Thanks for the update.
@electro3976
@electro3976 3 года назад
@@Rchelicopterfun No probs i bought both units and am very happy with them of course after some mods. Printed a nice enclosure to hold the two of them stacked on top and the sit very neat on my workbench
@relentlessgod
@relentlessgod 3 года назад
@@electro3976 Heyo, since you have both, I figured I'd ask about how you're operating it. Im in Canada (110-120v)and i've been having issues tracking down a reliable source on accepted voltage input. Their official store on aliexpress only lists the rework station as input : 220-260v. Thats both the hard wired and gx16 version. Yet I see and hear people running it just fine at 110-120v, on top of that, other sellers have conflicting specs also. Do you have advice on that? Thanks either way! (I could get a stepup transformer mind you, but I'd like to avoid it if possible)
@electro3976
@electro3976 3 года назад
@@relentlessgod Hi both of my stations are running off 230v mains without any issues. I cannot offer any advice regarding (110-120v) mains supply as we operating on 220-240v here in Ireland.
@dre145
@dre145 3 года назад
@@relentlessgod just got my rework station and it's working fine in 120.
@rickypg2215
@rickypg2215 4 года назад
Hi John, thank you for that review... I've seen this station listed for 220Vac/700W, so if we use it here in the US @120VAC, the power is greatly limited, right? thanks again!!
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 4 года назад
Assuming it's the same station (head unit), it's a universal voltage unit (100 to 240VAC 50 or 60Hz). The heating element in the hot air heat gun/wand handle is however specific to 120 or 240V. Mine is the 120V volt version so I have no idea how the 240V heat gun version would work if hooked to 120V. The gun/wand may simply take longer to heat up or may not be able to maintain higher temperature settings (air flow across the heating elements dependent of course). If you got the 240V gun and found it doesn't heat up correctly, you could always get the 120V gun (they don't cost much).
@rickypg2215
@rickypg2215 4 года назад
@@Rchelicopterfun I really appreciate your fast reply and feedback! thank you and stay safe!!
@imobilemedics
@imobilemedics 3 года назад
is it possible to use the t12 iron unit with/for hot air if i get the "blower" seperately? or would i need to make and flash a custom FW to be able to do it?
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 года назад
Not possible. Big hardware difference. Hot air rework gun heating elements run on line voltage (120 to 240 VAC) controlled by a TRIAC, and use much more power. In contrast, T12 soldering irons / tips run on 24VDC, controlled by a MOSFET and use very little power. Very different units, different boards, different power supplies, completely different wiring and operation.
@marian4349
@marian4349 Год назад
Hi John, can I use the "Cold End Adj" function to calibrate the airflow? Or maybe this feature is for something else?
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun Год назад
I show what CEA is in the video at 11:10. It has nothing to do with airflow, it's ambient temp sensor adjustment only (CPU or Handle).
@matthewpike4670
@matthewpike4670 3 года назад
John great videos. I purchased the DIY version cause thought it would be fun to put together. (That was a mistake as it was missing several parts.) The hot air gun i rediscover is wired completely different than yours any thoughts on how i could determine which wire is which for the placement on the board? Also could you tell me where you found the schematic for this unit?
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 года назад
You would have to check the outputs on the board with a DMM & look at the traces on the board to see where they go and what component they are going to in order to figure out what each does. Good old basic electronics diagnostic & fault tracing procedures in other words. As for the wiring schematic I found, I don't remember what site that was from; I just Google searched it and opened the first image search that showed it.
@matthewpike4670
@matthewpike4670 3 года назад
@@Rchelicopterfun I'm having a bit of a pain getting it to work right. Fan speed works. The magnetic on switch is working. The red heater button switch is work. However I have been unable to get voltage to the heating element.ihave checked voltage on the board in the heating handle thenchecked it on the main board and getting nothing. Do you have any thoughts on what else to check? Or maybe willing to send me close up pictures of your mainboard top and bottom? From the video it appears we have the same board
@GothPopTV
@GothPopTV 4 года назад
How does it stuck up to the quick 861DW?
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 4 года назад
No idea whatsoever.
@electro3976
@electro3976 3 года назад
Hi John does this unit suffer the same as the T12 soldering station where the battery was being drained by the R10 Resistor
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 года назад
No, and that was a very short lived issue on the T12.
@electro3976
@electro3976 3 года назад
@@Rchelicopterfun Thank you for reply John i have the T12 and am really pleased with it, works a charm although i had to address the earth bonding on the case and raise the heatsink that was intruding on the PCB track. Waiting on delivery of the Hotair unit hopefully i will be as pleased. Thank you for the review
@dorfschmidt4833
@dorfschmidt4833 3 года назад
My Atten hot air station came with a UK cable, I could use the EU plug instead :)
@josephbenko5578
@josephbenko5578 2 года назад
I don't know if you see comments on older videos, but I have a question about the Ksger Hot Air Rework station. My new station System Info shows 160V 59HZ is that a problem? Other than that all appears to be working.
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 2 года назад
I'll presume you're on 120V/60Hz mains? If so, the frequency is basically correct (1Hz out reading is within 2% error). 160V reading if your main is 120V (when you measure it with a volt meter) won't have any impact on the operation of the station, it's just the reading that is way out of voltage calibration. That or it's not reading the true RMS of the mains, and is instead reading closer to peak amplitude voltage (about 170V on a 120V AC mains). Just a guess. Contact the seller if it's a concern.
@sHiNkAoLaSu
@sHiNkAoLaSu 3 года назад
great review! now sure how to set the standby temperature or flow though... I obviously want it to shut off when it sits in the holder... for me it goes to 100% air flow and same temp (when I remove it from the holder it goes to the set fan speed, same temp) ... any ideas?
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 года назад
There is no separate standby temp. When you put it in the magnetic holder (which puts it into standby), as you said, it turns off the heater & goes to 100% fan speed to safely cool it down as quickly as possible. The only way to keep it running at the set temp while in the holder is to either remove the magnet in the holder, or get a separate "working" holder for when you are working and remove the magnet in it so it won't always turn off when placed in the holder. Or do I what I do when I'm working with it and don't want it to turn off when placed in the holder... turn the handle 90 degrees in the holder so the magnetic switch is not activated.
@sHiNkAoLaSu
@sHiNkAoLaSu 3 года назад
@@Rchelicopterfun oh I see, I understand how it's supposed to be working much better now, thanks for the quick answer too :)
@davesmith2233
@davesmith2233 2 года назад
@@Rchelicopterfun Was just going to suggest that, the magnet in the base is fairly weak, more like a fridge magnet, and won't trigger the reed switch unless you insert it exactly right. So to avoid the cooldown cycle, flip the heat gun over when you put it on the base. Not sure if this is a feature or a bug, it's certainly confusing if you don't know about it and wonder why it's still running at full heat while resting on the base.
@smdmicrosoldering
@smdmicrosoldering 4 года назад
How would the KSGER 858D fair with iPhone repairs removing Nand chips and Basebands?
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 4 года назад
I don't use it for that so I have no idea.
@Mrcurlywhirly
@Mrcurlywhirly 4 года назад
Hi John, Have you heard any reviews on the KSGER Hot Air Gun SMD 700w Rework Station GX16-8? It looks to have very similar specs to this 858D, though the circuit board is looking a little stubbier and mounted sideways - to allow for the GX16 socket. Appears very similar to your modded version, though still without a chassis earth, as appears to be the way on Chinese equipment.
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 4 года назад
Sorry, haven't heard a thing about it.
@Mrcurlywhirly
@Mrcurlywhirly 4 года назад
@@Rchelicopterfun No problem, just deciding whether to mod the standard one you have reviewed, or go with the ready made GX16 offering, though KSGER appears to have revised the circuit board on that one and repositioned it. Maybe the devil you know is better..
@juanbermudez964
@juanbermudez964 3 года назад
For the Temperature and the comment, I’ll think you leave in ALBERTA I watch you from Calgary Alberta I’m thinking I’m not far away from you ✌️
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 года назад
BC actually 🙂
@NathanCroucher
@NathanCroucher Год назад
Could these heaters be hooked up to KSGERs solder stations?
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun Год назад
No.
@Qban220
@Qban220 4 года назад
Make a video how it performs!
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 4 года назад
Done: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Dy9WUtvdBUk.html
@MrUnkreativername2
@MrUnkreativername2 4 года назад
Maybe you want to warn people before they put the GX16 plug in. There will be a possibility to have line voltage on the open pins when the plug is not connected!
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 4 года назад
In the video where I show the actual GX connector mod ( ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vtPHqNQ3pLY.html ), I have done just that. Both in the description & in the first pinned comment. People could also just as easily use a reversed GX16 so the exposed pins are in the gun end and the insulated pins in the station end. People could also use a GX16-10 and have two pins cut the power (an interlock) when the plug is removed. Several safety options are available and I would hope that the type of folks making mods like this understand the basics and know they do mods to any electrical equipment at their own risk.
@MrUnkreativername2
@MrUnkreativername2 4 года назад
John Salt Sounds good. I have seen people do a lot of stupid stuff. Just wanted to save you from trouble.
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 4 года назад
Yep, common sense and critical thinking skills seem to be at an all time low right now.
@johnroot9840
@johnroot9840 3 года назад
Great review, I purchased after being impressed with the t12 unit but sadly the smd unit lasted 6 months, a week after warranty had run out, the glass fuse blew so I replaced that and now it just flickers error every second. Upon looking at new listings it states wires need to be swapped in the wand handle and thermistor needs to be added, Banggood have not been helpful at all stating the machine is out of warranty period, which i do understand but revisions have obviously been made and no advice on how to either purchase a new wand or how to repair. As soon as it’s turned on the heating element gets scolding hot and seems temperature is not being controlled .. if anyone has any ideas I’d be very grateful. Thanks
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 года назад
These low cost things have a warranty? I never knew that. Anyway, to fault trace the problem, you'll have to follow a standard diagnostic fault tracing process with a DMM to trace & find the fault/s. Likely more than one as this sounds like a cascading failure. I'll almost say with 100% certainty, the TRIAC has failed in a shorted condition. You can confirm with your DMM. As to why it failed however, that will require further fault tracing. Perhaps a short in the handle/wiring, or in the heating element. Even loose connections with higher current loads can take a TRIAC out. If nothing else, just looking for visual shit stains on the PCB is a general good diagnostic fault tracing step to find possible bad component/s. You can of course order a replacement board, but if you also have a problem up in the handle/handle wiring that is the root cause of the initial failure, just firing a new board is will result in the same failure again. In short (pun intended), fault trace the handle and wiring with a DMM as well for shorts/intermittent shorts before risking a new board.
@johnroot9840
@johnroot9840 3 года назад
@@Rchelicopterfun thanks for the reply john, yes I was thinking maybe the triac, I have done a visual of the board and the wand and all looks fine, I didn’t find any kid of thermostat in the wand which I was surprised at. I wonder if it was because the thermistor wasn’t installed at factory. I know they are not expensive but I don’t want to be spending £70 every 6 months 🤣 the unit was great while it lasted 😔
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 года назад
Handle thermistor has nothing to do with correct heater element operation or even correct operation of the unit for that matter. To be honest, I don't even know why they put one in there? Perhaps that is why they don't anymore? The important heat sensor (thermocouple) that measures the actual heating element is in the heating element itself; up near the top so it can get a correct output temp of the airflow. There are 4 wires coming out of the element (the two thicker ones are the line voltage, the two thinner ones are the thermocouple.
@johnroot9840
@johnroot9840 3 года назад
@@Rchelicopterfun thanks for the input john, I have already ordered a replacement heating element hoping that is the cause, I won’t dig any deeper until I have replaced that. Hopefully that’s the culprit. It’s too easy for me to order another unit, I would much rather have a play and try and find the fault, general electronics is not my area so it’s been a little struggle, give me a phone or console anyday of the week but coming across your channel has been a tremendous help added the fact that you have taken the time to reply with your opinion. I’m very grateful for your time and effort, you have gained another subscriber 👍🏻 thanks again
@liviugabrielancutescu3644
@liviugabrielancutescu3644 4 года назад
No they did that for safety you don't want to put your hand in the connector when it's plugged in
@dannyblondu23
@dannyblondu23 4 года назад
hi. on mine the buzzer it's not working. Any aiders?
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 4 года назад
Is the buzzer turned on in menu #3? If it's enabled in that menu and still not working, my guess would be a faulty buzzer on the PCB.
@dannyblondu23
@dannyblondu23 4 года назад
@@Rchelicopterfun I run it on and off and nothing. I will put a new one and see. Thanks
@alexstone691
@alexstone691 3 года назад
Would they work at 240V main ?
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 года назад
Yes, but make sure you choose the 240V version.
@not-another-dev
@not-another-dev 3 года назад
I know you just got the KSGER but seriously you should try out the TS100 iron or the TS80 they're both insanely good
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 года назад
This is a hot air rework station, not a soldering station? Regardless, I have a TS100. Did a video on it: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-OYDeogFmLWI.html Did a full review on on my website: www.rchelicopterfun.com/ts100-soldering-iron.html Did review on a clone of one (the SQ100) : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_j4VCYeQ6Pw.html And did a video on the switch rate of the direct drive solder tips on the TS100: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vLT7L8NlUhg.html Needless to say, I'm very familiar with them. While they are wonderful little soldering tools, and are great for RC field usage, they will never replace a similar technology bench top soldering station if you do a fair amount of soldering like I do.
@not-another-dev
@not-another-dev 3 года назад
John Salt i know, i did watch but when you mentioned you replaced your iron i thought you may have not seen the ts80 but i saw some people review the other irons even the super expensive ones and the TS80 apparently is more efficient than even the high end weller stuff
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 года назад
The TS80 is not as good or practical for RC field use as the TS100 is. Also not as powerful and I need to do up to 10AWG, sometimes even 8AWG. Something the TS80 won't do. I go over the deciding pros & cons in my TS100 review between it and the 80 on my website. If you read that review, you would know why I chose the TS100 over the 80. Again, it comes down to individual application/s and what ticks off the most boxes. Regardless, for constant bench top use, neither the TS100 or 80 can hold a candle to a proper soldering station. That was after all the original premise of your comment (TS vs Ksger). Now if you want to move the goal post to compare the TS100 vs. the 80; as I said in my review, each are wonderful portable soldering tools within their specific scope of applications. Neither is better than the other however; it's application dependent like most tools.
@sspikee
@sspikee Год назад
Hello, I have a ksger air gun to repair. needs the value of resistors R12, R13 and the name, model of LEDs DP, D5 Thanks in advance !
@tsiouish
@tsiouish 3 года назад
bought it a month ago and last week the first problems appeared. The temperature goes way over the set limit and at about 450 degrees it shorts the line between ground and neutral. Still cant find anything online
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 года назад
First thing I check would be the thermistor & wiring all the from the heater core, back into the station (terminal connector inside). You never mentioned if the actual temp display shows the temp climbing as it's heating up. If if does, then the thermistior/wiring/circuit is likely working fine and perhaps the Triac has failed in a shorted condition (Triacs will usually fail shorted).
@tsiouish
@tsiouish 3 года назад
@@Rchelicopterfun i checked all the wires going to the heat gun and theye seem fine nothing is shorted. when i turn it on it stays at the set temp and a couple working minutes later the displayed temp starts rising and after the 450 degrees celcious my circuit breaker trips(not the one for the amps, the other one for the ground-neutral check cant find its name)
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 года назад
My best guess without testing it would be something failed on the main board.
@tsiouish
@tsiouish 3 года назад
@@Rchelicopterfun i removed it from a power strip and pluged it seperated straight on the wall, works great really accurate. Must be it from the start
@Justin-je2nv
@Justin-je2nv 3 года назад
Mine has the exact same issue. Trips the rcd controlling the wall sockets when its goes above 400c. Cant seem to find the issue. Such a shame!
@Boz1211111
@Boz1211111 Год назад
Its hardwired so you dont get line voltage on exposed connector
@robocog
@robocog 3 года назад
Mine melted itself the first time I used it at 450 degrees and full fan for a minute or so Tube glowing orange was the first sign that all was not well - tip temperature wiring failed shortly after heating element burned itself out...so I suspect the wiring to the tip temp sensor was iffy causing the coil to burn out (due to it miss reading the silly high temps it was hitting) I am having a few issues sourcing a new element to see if anything can be rescued from the wreckage, so have ordered a new complete handle I am not convinced you have an NTC in the handle if it is the same as mine (which your images look almost identical) If you look at the other side of the PCB that interconnects the wires from the flex to the components there is no NTC on there and I haven't spotted one in the flex lead...which is mysterious as I genuinely cannot see one no matter how hard I look for it The unit I got was pre wired with a GX plug and mine is wired as follows...again I cannot even see any spare wires for an NTC mounted in the cable Pin1 (red) > AC240v heating element Pin2 (brown) > 24v fan + Pin3 (blue) > 24v fan - Pin4 (Green)> Green wire to ground the metal tube Pin5 (Yellow) > Reed switch Pin6 (White) > Reed switch and tip temperature Pin7 (Orange) > tip temperature Pin8 (black) > AC 240v heating element Really interested in which wires yours is wired into (and if you can show me where this NTC is supposedly mounted !) Of course without a working tip temp sensor I just get errors so I cannot even try and raise and lower the temp in the handle to see if the screen reacts to this mysterious hidden NTC
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 года назад
Nope, there is no NTC sensor in the hot air handle. I show my specific wiring (color & function) in the connector mod video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vtPHqNQ3pLY.html
@robocog
@robocog 3 года назад
@@Rchelicopterfun Yep, found where mine lives - it is sat behind the screen - just above the speaker managed to fudge mine so that it doesn't error so I could test it - by shorting the tip temp probe wires it 'thinks' it is at room temp - all the functions appear to work and I get 240v when the temp has been set - dropped to 70 V when not being commanded/requested- so it looks like the controller is all working and I haven't killed anything in there - just a broken and burned out handle - hoping the replacement will fix the issues I had (bit concerning that there is seemingly no thermal runaway watchdog in firmware - like on 3d printers - unless mine was an odd failure) Also in mine when I go into the 'about page' that shows the firmware version - it is over calculating the mains input voltage by quite a factor - again I am assume this is calculated in firmware and non adjustable (have checked the DC unit is producing 24v, so I don't get how they are calculating the incoming voltage and getting it wrong on my unit) In that video you wired pin 8 (central pin) with a yellow wire labelled NTC in the handle and show it in the diagram? (other end of it shared with tip temp, reed switch and tip grounding in the schematic you show at the 2 min mark) This threw me - as mine didn't have one in there no matter how hard I searched for it and seemed to be wired differently :D Have to ask where you got that diagram
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 года назад
@robocog I made a mistake in what I said - sorry. After your comment about the yellow wire labelled NTC in that other video, I too started second guessing my memory (even my sanity) 😜 I just took my handle apart, and pulled out the little PCB under the fan. Sure enough, there is an NTC sensor on the back side and following the trace on the board, it's soldered to the yellow wire. So yep, mine does have one in the handle. It's not one of those normal disc NTC's however, it's a little glass NTC thermistor (looks like a little zener diode). If your's doesn't have that or it's in another location, maybe they stopped putting it in? The other possibility is there are little differences between the 120 & 240V versions? I think the only difference however from the research I did on these things between the 120 & the 240V version is the heater element but that is just an educated guess. The electronics inside should be identical by all accounts. If you are asking about the wiring diagram I had up on the monitor, it was on Aliexpress's Ksger replacement board product page: www.aliexpress.com/item/32857445049.html If you scroll a ways, down you will find it. There is tons of good info on that page by the way so maybe something in there will help sort your particular issues. 🤔
@robocog
@robocog 3 года назад
@@Rchelicopterfun -LOL, no worries my sanity gets questioned a lot here, it just had me scratching my head a little when I was trying to map out the wires to see what went where and started wondering if the handle was physically missing the NTC or had been miswired to cause the premature thermal runaway and burnout I REALLY want to have this unit working as I love the form factor and want to replace the big (898) unit that has to be put away between each use due to lack of workspace Have designed a stand for the stand if you have a 3d printer your end? I got 3/4 the way through printing it last night before I got a huge nozzle clog and had to abandon the print - but it has space for the unused nozzle tips underneath...will upload the design to thingiverse once I have fixed the printer and printed it to make sure it is a good fit :D
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 года назад
@robocog I really can't see that NTC being the cause for the meltdown. I originally didn't even have mine turned on and was using the internal selection instead. It didn't seem to make much difference to be honest. It almost sounds like the temp sensor in the heater element crapped out or perhaps the wiring. Maybe the fan speed has to be increased when running those higher temps (I rarely run mine over 400C)? Any chance the air inlet vents in the handle were partially blocked. I know if there is not enough air volume flowing through the heater element, the temp sensor which is up stream will not read the true air temp (reads much lower). All wild a-- guesses of course and my remote 2 cent diagnostic attempt. I don't have a 3D printer yet, but I finally started to look at them more seriously over the past year and think I may finally take the plunge into the 3D printing hobby this fall/winter. Still early in my research, but right now the Sidewinder X1 is on my radar; just not sure if I need that much volume? I know at times I've been stuck looking for larger enclosure or parts boxes for projects, and a larger volume printer would be nice for that application, but I don't know if a large volume printer can print small stuff too with good detail so still have more researching to do. That is great idea about the hot air handle stand and wouldn't mind taking a peek on thingiverse once you put the design up.
@Crushercorp
@Crushercorp 3 года назад
Thank you for the review, I was looking for a good affordable hot air station to do occasionnal work on electronics and you convinced me to get this one. Question: I look on the website and I was wondering what is the real difference bettween the DIY and the assemble kits are. Right now they seems identical (DIY price is equal to Assemble +Handle) but in the pictures the boards look different? Is it just an updated version or is one board supperior to the other? Thank you. Note: I do realise that the DIY needs to be assemble. I cannot understand why they would be the same price.
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 года назад
No idea on the kit versions since I've never ordered one.
@Acecool
@Acecool 3 года назад
The electrical adapter doesn't even use the ground pin from the German plug. So you lose that if you use the adapter. I also did the same 8 pin GX16-8 on my rework station... I may buy one of the KSGER stations and wire my existing wand up to it. I'm trying to find the wiring diagram of the ones you can buy with the GX16-8 connector attached by default so I can copy that so if it ever fails... I can buy a replacement and I won't have to rewire anything.
@Acecool
@Acecool 3 года назад
Also can't wait to see inside as the T12 soldering station should have the functionality built in for the hot air gun... so it should be possible to wire a plug up... Mine came with a ton of issues and I am still waiting on Banggood to resolve them.
@Acecool
@Acecool 3 года назад
Not sure if I like the UI for the blower... press to change fan, rotate for temp... I think I like the rotate for temp... but then you don't have the rotate for boost, standby, etc... maybe I'll make a 5 pin from the station, into a 3D printed box with the fan speed controller from my old rework station which is really nice, into the hot air with 8 pins. So a separate box so I can attach the hot air pencil to it too... I would need some way for the system to know it is using a different handle - ie the fan so I may have to look in the STM32 code stored and modify it... maybe I'll add a 'tip' which can be used for the handle... or I'll add a handle mode which changes behavior. I think if I don't use the external fan controller then either mounting it to the box would be an idea... OR making it so when the hot air wand is plugged in, that rotating the rotary encoder will change the fan speed instead of temp as yours does... and instead of boost, standby, sleep, etc.. as mine does. I like being able to finely control my fan speed while working. temp is usually pretty stable. so the normal tap and change would be fine.
@Acecool
@Acecool 3 года назад
Also, you should be able to rotate to the left 5 ticks to go up a menu. They should reduce that to 1 or 2, maybe 3... but 5 is a bit excessive.
@Acecool
@Acecool 3 года назад
11:50 is a nice feature... could easily incorporate that into the code... I'll have to download the code. I have to verify the pin out on the board because there are 4 unpopulated pins on the solder station marked C, D, GND and VCC or something like that... vcc is 3.3, ground, d should be switched io or something, and c should be switched click. I'll have to trace to see if it has a debug trace built in or not to switch between boot modes; if not I'll have to check the exact chip and see how to toggle it. Either way, it should be possible to set up a single unit with attachments so that it extends functionality without needing extra stations... then, buy a few of them so the major ones can be plugged in at the same time. Still need banggood to correct the issue with the current unit.
@Acecool
@Acecool 3 года назад
15:30 - with the voltage; this is interesting. so I'll either need to add another connector to the station and use the appropriate circuit to pass the 110 through. or, I replace the 5 pin on mine with an 8 pin and have it by default, then make an adapter for 8 to 5 for the iron... and none for the fan... although with 2 of the pins going to ground I'll have to verify what each thing does first to see if I can stick with 5... probably not... an adapter would be meh... maybe a second station is better... going through some designs in my head. Maybe the 5 pin into the speed controller and a separate 2 pin for 110 with a quick connect on it... a higher quality connector... that could work.
@paso2136
@paso2136 2 года назад
Some kind of setup memories? Like "channels'
@SevenDeMagnus
@SevenDeMagnus 3 года назад
Cool, it's nice to stack up with the non-mini T12 soldering station:-) I wish both came with all silver look (without buying the combo one):-) I have the Quick 858D. I think separate is better than buying a combo one in most cases and if one breaks, it won't take the whole job down.
@IndoJimbo
@IndoJimbo 4 года назад
Wish you would have demonstrated some reflow work with it.
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 4 года назад
Done: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Dy9WUtvdBUk.html
@georgesantana637
@georgesantana637 3 года назад
💪💪💪
@NicksStuff
@NicksStuff Месяц назад
That's a very nice "intro" but I wished you had used it and compared it to your AOYUE on some BGAs. Every time a watch a review of a hot air station with that handle and the integrated fan, it's meh. While the units with the air pump or fan in the base are regarded as superior.
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun Месяц назад
Well, I have found little difference in usable performance; keeping in mind, my main use of a hot-air tool as an RC hobbyist (this is an RC channel after all) is not for BGA work. In fact, never once done a BGA chip with either unit; only SMDs, SOPs and a couple QFPs (I did by the way demo an SOP on the one year follow up video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Dy9WUtvdBUk.html Other common RC related uses include heating small bearings up to soften retaining compound, expand races for fitment, soften adhesives and of course shrink heat shrink tube. For those RC applications of what I need & use mine for, both units work well, but the 858D takes up much less bench room, is quieter isn't vibrating the work surface and of course is reasonably priced. No question, either type of hot-air tool has pros & cons based on specific usage application & needs.
@NicksStuff
@NicksStuff Месяц назад
@@Rchelicopterfun Thanks for that thorough answer! I'm just watching the follow-up :-)
@janlukes5833
@janlukes5833 4 года назад
Thanks for review, but daaamn, it's sold out. 🙁
@xXRobynTheHoodXx
@xXRobynTheHoodXx 4 года назад
I'v been wanting one too, but its been out of stock for like, 2 and a half weeks. 😕
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 4 года назад
Take into account Chinese New Year when the country essentially shuts down for a few weeks at the end of January. Basically the worst time to purchase stuff from China direct. I'm sure they'll be back in stock shortly now that everyone is back from vacation.
@xXRobynTheHoodXx
@xXRobynTheHoodXx 4 года назад
@@Rchelicopterfun I sure hope so. Your review totally sold me on it. 👍
@janlukes5833
@janlukes5833 4 года назад
Sure, I just have to remember to use your affiliate link 🙂
@janlukes5833
@janlukes5833 4 года назад
@@xXRobynTheHoodXx It's in stock now. Already ordered. :)
@anandasri1330
@anandasri1330 4 года назад
It’s out of stock since more than week
@andytipping70
@andytipping70 3 года назад
your mod allows finger access to line voltage - not good ! plus if you short the pins while plugging in - bye bye triac!
@Rchelicopterfun
@Rchelicopterfun 3 года назад
Guess you never read the first pinned comment or the description in the mod video.
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