Libertarian Calls In To Debate Defunding Roads, Making Walmart Pay For Them & Other SUPER Hot Takes 

"I'm not really advocating private roads or whatever." Now, let me advocate for the complete privatization of roadways.

I love how Sam's face immediately perks up when he hears that the kid wants to debate LOL

He's been saving up for over a year to unleash his whole arsenal of libertarian talking points on you, Sam. And this isn't even his final form! It's over 9,000!!!!!!

Michael just has no patience for Libertarians anymore he just starts laughing as soon as they start sounding dumb as opposed to before he would wait until late into the calls to start laughing

I saw “libertarian” and my heart soared. I was not disappointed.

Make Wal-Mart pay for the roads??It seems like this guy is arguing for a higher corporate tax right.

I agree, let's end government subsidies to Walmart, by forcing them to pay their employees enough to not need EBT and housing assistance.

He's definitely under the age of 20 but it seems like he means well. He's arguing against monopolies like Walmart but his solution - well, he's been spoonfed Libertarian sauce. It's okay because I was briefly there at one point.

LIBERTARIANS, republicans with xtra cheese

Just spit-balling here; how about taxing the Walmarts of the world appropriately in order to cover these expenses?

"Where you gonna get your jetpack?"

Man I've been waiting for a fresh one of these. These libertarian deconstructions are my favorite Seder videos.

I REMEMBER THIS DUDE, he was the one that sounded like a 12 year old Libertarian Noam Chomsky.

Libertarian logic. The finest reasoning skills a 5 year old can muster.

I actually like this guy, he seems so innocent when he's getting the piss taken out of him.

6:00 that “weight based tolls” has me dying 😭

Sam, you cant beat libertardians over the head with logic and reason because they are already da best at logix according to themselves.

Lol! Buses are gonna cost $8 in this kid's world. Ps I LIVE for the background laughing!!

"I'd rather arbitrate and litigate thousands of instances of the same thing rather than just creating a law."

15 hours in and I'm the first to use the "Ah, the old who will build the roads" quip from the 2016 libertarian primary debate? Shame, shame on all of you!

Let's start where we can agree: stop military intervention all over the world, reduce military funding, end the militarization of the police. We can share the cost of the roads.

Micheal brooks laugh is the greatest! RIP homeboy!

This kid has a bright future in weight-based toll economics.

MB as Peter Theil "Are you Greg's son?" Caller: "who?" Me: #DEAD

Sam your level of patience is truly commendable!

Some classic Michael Brooks comedy in this one. It gave me a good laugh. He will be missed.

Walmart is free to build a road any time they want.

This guy has to be a troll. I mean, come on!

Feeling terrible laughing whilst watching you maintaining a really nice and decent composure 😂😈👏👏👏 I need lessons 😈😇

Those laughs in the background lol

"Weight based tolls" is the greatest MR caller line ever

All of this is academic. If ever applied it'd be a complete disaster.

We have a system in my town where the home owner is responsible for a percent of road repair in front of their home. The city does all the maintenance its just replacement that has a bill. No one wants to pay it so they go to city hall and protest. The result is terrible roads.

Libertarianism is short for I only care about myself in all scenarios

"Local roads are kinda easily affordable..." I bet this guy's never seen a road built before.

Oh my God are you guys for real, I love you guys, I even love the way you guys laugh. I just start laughing listening to you laughs.

"Can we at least agree about the federal government after all my arguments have been terrible and we both know it?"

He got off the phone, returned to his bed room, stared at the cover of his copy of the Fountainhead and told himself "the answer must be in here somewhere""

Two Birds, One Jetpack.

God, letting MB 'end' the segment was an amazing choice... Him yelling about blood in his "Peter" voice always makes me loose my shit - it's never not funny. xDDD

This guys isn't a _real_ libertarian.

How any adult can continue to play around with libertarian ideas is baffling. You would be hard pressed to make it work in a small community 200 years ago, never mind the highly tech-based society we live in now.

Michael's groan in the beginning off-air is my entire mood when someone goes out of their way to mention they're a libertarian.

OMG! This was the best call ever! You ended it just before it all popped off!🙉

There’s a Utica in Michigan too, so I got confused with Sam’s example. Sorry about the smart alecky humor. 😂

Libertarianism is metaphysical nonsense.

Truth is federal "tax money" doesn't "go to" anything - it is zeroed out on the government's balance sheet. The federal government does not tax to spend, it spends to tax.

It seems to me the approach to this call was amplify the kid's point, which was that tolls should be more based on weight or perhaps profitability of the roadway use, then argue against complete redaction of federal subsidies. I'm not a libertarian by any means, but at least abide by your the logical standards to which you hold others.

We could also destroy the earth with a giant space laser and that would also get rid of Walmart!

I don't have to point out that Walmart would just demand the local government pay for the roads or they'll "create jobs" elsewhere, do I?

I ride the bus in Denver and ridership is declining . Even with a full bus, the costs aren't covered. So how , without price gouging should I pay, my share ?

God I miss Michael. What a joy he was.

Great tweet at the end.

The original advocates for road building were bicycle riders. In 1890s everybody was riding bikes. There is identifiable culture called car culture. Lewis Mumford writes well about it. Please respect the overarching ideology as it is very much related to the category IV & V hurricanes that we are experiencing today. Car culture has also torn apart our cities and helped create the phenomenon of white flight.

Could I please listen to the call from the 916 area code.

This caller is kind of a super genius at being a knucklehead

He makes a valid point about road tolls being based on a user pays system even though it would hurt the poor. However he's clearly wrong on transportation and sam called him out. I wish that the other commentators would stop interjecting because this kid was at least open to learning.

Been a while since a libertarian called in. Doesn't disappoint

Goddamnit we all need this funny stuff more often.

The caller is obviously ignorant, but the mockery was unnecessary, and there were several avenues of argument Sam could've taken along the way to get the kid to look at the bigger picture. For one, when the kid says, "The highways are already here," the obvious question is, how did they get here? Could they have possibly been built in his libertarian fantasy? If not, then isn't a sociopolitical philosophy supposed to stand on its own? If it can't, and it must rely instead on a pre-existing system of taxation, subsidies, etc., then isn't that problematic? The constant laughing in the background is probably not conducive to getting him to think more on these issues, though. But maturity from the MR is a little too much to ask for -- as exemplified by the bullshit attack on Jimmy Dore for, what, nothing? Were they trying to portray him as a libertarian? That makes no sense. This stupid fucking fued is entirely one-sided and demonstrates an arrogance that only Sam, Michael, and company could present while thinking they're intellectual liberals trying to make the world a better place. Even when they, soft of, defended him recently against CNN, they couldn't help maligning him. Fucking ludicrous. I keep trying to like Sam, and I often find his debates with libertarians amusing and even informative at times, but this was just ridiculous.

Isn't this the kid that called in ? The one who legitimately just talked endlessly???

I didn't even know Emma was in the room till the end, lol, she couldn't hold back anymore! 😩😂

I feel like they are beating up on someone who may have “challenges” too much

Don't forget that the federal govt. also subsidies airlines in a lot of ways.

So according to this kid he'd rather have us pay bit by bit throughout each day for every little thing we use. Turn on a light, get charged, turn on the tap water, get charged, get on the bus, get charged an ASTRONOMICAL fee because we'd be covering the bus's maintenance fees, gas, insurance, AND its extra weight toll, the driver's and all the other company employees' wages, PLUS a little extra to make it profitable for the company who owns it, or if we have our own car we'd be running up a toll for the entire time we're driving around which we'd have to pay out to each company who owns each section of road we'd drive on - which would be a nightmare if you wanted to drive across state let alone the country -so he'd rather have us manually go through all these little micro transactions EVERY. DAY. than to just pay a bit of tax passively from our paychecks or whatever each month to have all that shit taken care of without us worrying about it. I just don't think these people understand how much privatizing our society would get in the way of everything we'd want to do. And he has a LOT of faith in these companies who don't even follow through with the bare minimum they're required to do now to believe that if they were in charge of paying for roads and road maintenance that they'd ACTUALLY pay for it. If they even did they'd cut as many corners as possible and we'd have the worst, crumbling, dangerous roads in the world.

Does anyone know if this whole "libertarian debate" thing Seder does is Poe's Law in action? Because I can never tell if these "mainstream libertarians" are trolling.

"In theory" Dave Rubin called in once?

916 is my area code!?!? what!!! I wanna listen to that call!!

There’s a difference between the federal highway system that has existed for decades and roads that are built specifically for Walmart with tax dollars. I get the original argument the caller is making but he seems to get lost early on.

What did the bird baths ever do anything to you?

There is a total of 2,678,000 miles of paved road in the US. For every mile, it cost $2-5 million to build/maintain those roads. When you do the math, that’s around $2 trillion. So yes, Walmart would go bankrupt if they had to pay for that

Still undefeated vs. Libertarians. It's not even fair, they have the harder argument. Actually make that the impossible argument.

I need to see him

Is this David Sedaris?

Please, make it so we don't hear people laughing of him in the background! He is trying to make a sound argument, (but failing hard)! And the "is Greg you father" part was completely unnecessary! - By the way, did you know that in towns with less than 35.000-40.000 people and a local public transport system, it often would be cheaper for the town to make it free than it is to charge passengers to fund it, (due to the cost of administration)

As a Social Democrat (Progressive lol) the only thing I disagree with them is Economics basically anything that has to do with money and discrimination laws lol

Why do all the libertarians who phone in sound like they've only just graduated high school?

Run the numbers a little bit 😂

So if you live in a small area and don’t have enough trucks to pay for the roads you are sol. Also don’t you think this corporations would just run smaller trucks with less axles to get around this toll? Getting around paying taxes is what corporations do

I applaud this young guy, he's figuring out his politics, and it takes courage to call into a show like this. Sam is definitely a little arrogant but from his point of view it's justified. I think this guy thought a lot from this.

Libertarians always push privatization, because government wasteful spending. Never stopping to think government budgets never have to account for profit margins. But, sure, private businesses that need to make an ever-growing profit will definately cost less than government spending!

Is that Nick Bravo?

I miss Michael so much.

interstates have weigh stations.....

I suppose that as long as every human being thinks the same way, without mental illness, and we all are working toward the same goal, we can play paddy cakes on a warm summer afternoon and play "I-Got-Mine-You-Get-Yours".

I'm all for Walmart putting more into infrastructure.

Didn't realize Jody Foster was libertarian.

Yea, let's all take backroads for now on.

I don’t agree with the caller, but I do appreciate his intelectual curiosity.

Lol this is obviously a kid, I feel bad for him, as he clearly hasn't developed the capacity to think this through.

You should debate Ben Shapiro!

Gold

Lmao, the Peter Thiel impression

Weight based tolls? Fatties pay more. Trump must LOVE this kind of juvenile reasoning.

All other factors aside, the thing Libertarians who advocate for tolls on all roads to fund them never ever seem to bring up, talk about, or even realize, is how entirely fucked the traffic situation would be if every road had tollbooths, lmao

We all know the solution for the road, I don't need to spell it out.

Weight based tolls

If the government don't print money there is no money and if there is not money then there no money to tax taxpayer with it's really not about who has the money in their hands it's about whose names on the money and who names on the money a government official multiple

The government should limit itself to things like building and maintaining roads and other infrastructure, and preventing theft, force, and fraud. That way it does not descend into things like the persecutions in the guise of services, such as those I detail in jpst.it/HVdZ .

I'm not sold on the gas tax, that would hurt me way to much, I agree with you on most things but take the gas tax and shove it I cant afford it