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Lich's Mirror | Infinite Death / Infinite Draw Combo | MTG Modern | Against the Odds 

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What are the odds of winning...er...drawing the game with Lich's Mastery and Harmless Offering in Modern? Let's see!
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1:45 Match 1
8:24 Match 2
10:54 Match 3
20:04 Match 4
27:59 Match 5
38:23 Wrap Up

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@abheekpandya8717
@abheekpandya8717 3 года назад
You know a combo is terrible when part of it involves winning the game
@elizimmerman5908
@elizimmerman5908 3 года назад
When the first step is to win but you have to keep going
@Kettwiesel25
@Kettwiesel25 3 года назад
The terrible part is people scooping.
@redraptor369
@redraptor369 3 года назад
@@Kettwiesel25 It would be funny if conceding triggered lich's mirror.
@isocity-info
@isocity-info 3 года назад
Made my day :D
@endermeap6488
@endermeap6488 3 года назад
One of the intermediate steps in this combo is literally “win the game” 🤦‍♀️
@isocity-info
@isocity-info 3 года назад
The proof that Seth is completely mad from now 🤪
@mazeroct7642
@mazeroct7642 3 года назад
Wouldn't be easier to donate a leyline of punishment? The opponent wouldn't be able to win. Edit: nvmd lichs mirror is worse than i thought.
@lukioptyx
@lukioptyx 3 года назад
Lich's Mirror was the first mythic I ever opened. My son and I got it in our two-headed giant sealed pool. We had just started playing and thought it would be totally awesome. It wasn't.
@kingfuzzy2
@kingfuzzy2 Год назад
If you gift it to your opponent the game is a tie if they lose
@realbloodydoves
@realbloodydoves 3 года назад
Awww, I missed the deck tech Seth. I hope those aren't permanently gone, I really like the deck techs at the start.
@Graatand
@Graatand 3 года назад
So this is「SAFFRON OLIVE REQUIEM」... ゴゴゴゴ
@WendigoNet
@WendigoNet 3 года назад
Hopefully the deck techs aren’t going away, I appreciate a breakdown of the decks when it’s something like an infinite draw
@fishman523
@fishman523 3 года назад
Literally the only time I actually needed a deck tech. I guess i should have just known what Modern All-Star Lich's Mirror does though.
@DEG99Y
@DEG99Y 3 года назад
Against the odds: Golden Experience Requiem.
@0Whitelottus0
@0Whitelottus0 3 года назад
Underrated comment
@MonkPain
@MonkPain 3 года назад
I Saffron Olive have a dream
@jaredmanwell442
@jaredmanwell442 3 года назад
Best comment on this vid
@adventuresinbizarreness2165
@adventuresinbizarreness2165 3 года назад
「Kore ga... ...Requiem da」
@loganchristiansen564
@loganchristiansen564 3 года назад
I was just about to comment this xD
@iframe9706
@iframe9706 3 года назад
Seth multiple times this episode: All we have to do is kill our opponent. Wow. Is that all?
@DonovanPresents
@DonovanPresents 3 года назад
I see you pulled out that asdf reference! 😂
@sushiske
@sushiske 3 года назад
@Sackless_Jack
@Sackless_Jack 3 года назад
Opponent: “Darn! They are ahead and are going to make us draw, I better just concede”
@zotha
@zotha 3 года назад
The main thing this video taught me was that every deck has 8 main deck ways to screw you for playing Border Posts
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 3 года назад
Tell me about it.
@pdahl615
@pdahl615 3 года назад
You know Seth is the real deal, because even as someone who claims to mostly play online, he still just has random piles of cards sitting around.
@theyonlycomeoutwhenitsquiet
@theyonlycomeoutwhenitsquiet 3 года назад
I haven’t laughed so hard as I did when you succeeded in a long time. THIS, this is what makes me love this channel. I keep coming back because of this kind of crazy stuff. Seth, I love it. You never cease to amaze me in your deck building, and I can’t wait to see what insanity you conjure next.
@MihaelGeng
@MihaelGeng 3 года назад
"A strange combo. The only result it produces is a draw. And the only drawing move is to first win..." - Probably not SaffronOlive, in _OddsGames_ (maybe)
@arlopaden9794
@arlopaden9794 3 года назад
match 6 is officially the craziest game in the history of magic
@thekid5220
@thekid5220 3 года назад
Seth: Step one, play lichs mirror Me: ok Seth: Step two, give them lichs mirror Me: alright Seth: Step three, prevent them from gaining life Me: go on Seth: step four, win the game Me: sounds good to m- Seth: Step five...
@sjdhrjrjejdhdhsh
@sjdhrjrjejdhdhsh 3 года назад
This is actually just finding a brew for the worst way to play lichs mirror.
@midnalight6419
@midnalight6419 3 года назад
It's actually the best way to play it, because it actually draws the game, instead of losing it.
@dieguitopp
@dieguitopp 3 года назад
Omg, and this is why I’ve been following this channel all this time. This is the essence of Seth in a video. Thank you so so much for this magnificent content.
@SlurpyBoi.0529
@SlurpyBoi.0529 3 года назад
Easily one of my favorite videos by the time I got 5 seconds into it.
@Joebob31100
@Joebob31100 3 года назад
So you're saying you have to win the game to get your combo off, and your combo turns your own win into a draw? Absolutely bonkers, let's go for it.
@gamebreakeradept9208
@gamebreakeradept9208 3 года назад
Seth playing Red-Deck-Ties?
@Nolsie
@Nolsie 3 года назад
clutching defeat from the jaws of victory
@codysmith4210
@codysmith4210 3 года назад
Imagine sitting down to play some magic after a 40 hour work schedule just to have seth do this to you
@testmand123
@testmand123 3 года назад
Man I love this intro, and the cam, great job
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 3 года назад
THanks!
@DemonicWolf0152
@DemonicWolf0152 3 года назад
This is one of the most fun matches I've ever seen it just breaks over and over infinite loop mtgo
@sheepy403
@sheepy403 3 года назад
Finally, we found a deck that Jund can beat!
@austinmitchell2053
@austinmitchell2053 3 года назад
I liked the blood moon border/background during the games.
@ashadeofnight
@ashadeofnight 3 года назад
I've not watched Against the Odds in years. I came back for this :D
@Pyrodactyl
@Pyrodactyl 3 года назад
I like watching Seth explain the deck techs, please don't take those away! And this video is hilarious, one of the best against the odds of all time.
@gochadc
@gochadc 3 года назад
How to win with the mirror: play mirror, force a draw, you dont die because of the mirror, you win. How to force a draw: (this is your job, but I've only think of 1 way so far) Play Crypt Rats, generate a loooot of mana, use it to kill both players, you can also add Death Cloud as a back up plan/wrath (it's probably better than the rats because you can spend mana of any color on it and you can use it to control your opponent so you have more time for the combo, but I love rats). Havoc Festival is useful too if you have a good enough prison to avoid dying to it. You can help the process by playing something that makes your opponent want to lose life so you don't need that much mana, I don't have many ideas for this one more than the gambling cards like Pain's Reward. My point is, you can with a very junky deck make the against the odds possible and not just "draw instead of win" combo. I love you Seth, don't take this as random complain, it's just a fan suggestion ;)
@chandlermcdonald529
@chandlermcdonald529 3 года назад
Heartless Hidetsugu with a damage doubler and Lich’s mirror?
@gochadc
@gochadc 3 года назад
@@chandlermcdonald529 that's actually a very good one ;)
@gochadc
@gochadc 3 года назад
@Derek Cline why would you want to pass the mirror? the idea is that you have the mirror, both players die, but you survive because of the mirror.
@stonerainproductions
@stonerainproductions 3 года назад
Bravo Seth, you've outdone yourself! This was hilarious!
@coreysierchio4650
@coreysierchio4650 3 года назад
This is the Against The Odds we needed to cleanse our palates of the previous year. *Thanks* *for* *the* *Content*
@TraceSucks
@TraceSucks 3 года назад
Against the Odds is in rare form tonight.
@gjones9356
@gjones9356 3 года назад
35:00 Just delightful Seth! Keep making good content like this! It never ceases to make me grin from ear to ear.
@Maezhughes
@Maezhughes 3 года назад
That intro is straight up amazing!
@jessedoyle9489
@jessedoyle9489 3 года назад
Seth!!! Love the new intro!! The bookshelves are SWEEEEEET!!
@MonkPain
@MonkPain 3 года назад
that intro! Seth you are truly a hero!
@necroinsanity2639
@necroinsanity2639 3 года назад
This deck is already amazing, I thought against the odds had hit its peak but this is perfect 👌
@BoosterTherapy
@BoosterTherapy 3 года назад
Seth I'm dying from that intro
@ComradeVenus
@ComradeVenus 3 года назад
OH MY GOD THAT INTRO IS AMAZING
@josereneticsay32
@josereneticsay32 3 года назад
Why is there no deck tech? :(
@drwgordon
@drwgordon 3 года назад
Article has the tech
@MidgarMerc
@MidgarMerc 3 года назад
Deck techs are pretty pointless imo. I always skip them
@ammonaustin9081
@ammonaustin9081 3 года назад
@@MidgarMerc I like them cause there are synergies in the deck that may not be obvious. Plus it helps with others tuning up their deckbuilding skills by watching Saffron who obviously has tons of experience
@MidgarMerc
@MidgarMerc 3 года назад
@@ammonaustin9081 so click the article link. It gives the site traffic and ad revenue
@ammonaustin9081
@ammonaustin9081 3 года назад
@@MidgarMerc Or he can just provide the deck tech like usual as due to his audience's request
@russelferguson4648
@russelferguson4648 3 года назад
This is such rich mtg content. Keep it up!
@eusouzoom
@eusouzoom 3 года назад
I enjoyed this intro. Much nicer than a deck tech.
@artemoila1
@artemoila1 3 года назад
Τhis is surely the craziest thing I've ever seen in magic.
@lloydlineske2642
@lloydlineske2642 Год назад
I had to look up Lich's Mirror because I made a pretty good casual deck with it today.
@metaphics
@metaphics 3 года назад
Saffron Olive, I’ve come to bargain!
@lugvantrug5967
@lugvantrug5967 3 года назад
Little Note on Karn vs Batterskull, you can Tick up Karn on Batterskull, a creature cannot equip other creatures, so it falls Off and cannot be activated
@loadedquestion8548
@loadedquestion8548 3 года назад
at the end I thought I was watching an instant replay, but it was still part of the game lol
@StahliCell
@StahliCell 3 года назад
This was so fun!!!! Although basically impossible to pull off but really funny combo :D
@StahliCell
@StahliCell 3 года назад
Oh man if you pull this off against Tomer he's ragequitting commander clash forever ahahaha
@Beefman.0
@Beefman.0 3 года назад
I need this vs the hedron alignment deck you played a few years back
@benjaminsouthworth5698
@benjaminsouthworth5698 3 года назад
That intro was sick
@pauljaton5128
@pauljaton5128 3 года назад
Seth took winning too much on Against the Odds a bit harshly 😂
@curtissearle6462
@curtissearle6462 3 года назад
Really enjoying the new intros and editing would love to see it more! I also watch Markiplier alot and his editor makes the videos even better it's so much fun lol
@sushiske
@sushiske 3 года назад
editor here - thanks for the kind words! i’m honestly just really excited to see the reaction to this video, i tried a lot of new things and i’m hoooooping they paid off :D
@c.jhamblin5759
@c.jhamblin5759 3 года назад
Oh this is going to be INTERESTING
@joshbaker8767
@joshbaker8767 3 года назад
This setup in a Blim, Comedic Genius would be epic!
@zacharymccutcheon8607
@zacharymccutcheon8607 3 года назад
If you look hard, you can see the client dying.
@IM-xg2ki
@IM-xg2ki 3 года назад
I love you seth, please make another version of a game breaking deck thats more consistent please!
@ammonaustin9081
@ammonaustin9081 3 года назад
*Kevin Garrnett voice* ANYTHING IS POSSIBBLLLLLLLEEEEE!!!
@theatog
@theatog 3 года назад
Least play mythic short list: Archangel's light says hi! Somebody post another card that should go on the short list XD
@gianmariacapuzzo2383
@gianmariacapuzzo2383 3 года назад
I'm gonna build a "donate" edh deck (zedruu or the new imp) only for this lich's mirror combo and be able to draw the game just to say to my friends that they've lost an infinite ammount of times. I LOVE YOU SETH
@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai
@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai 3 года назад
Is that a 2-D silhouette in the thumbnail? As in the character from Gorillaz? Niiice.
@seanclark4071
@seanclark4071 3 года назад
I was not sure what I was expecting when this works, and I’m not sure what to feel when it happened, I think this is what was meant to happen
@nathanwilkins6107
@nathanwilkins6107 3 года назад
Lich’s mirror would be sweet with, like, balance.
@fo-ef8qo
@fo-ef8qo 3 года назад
high quality meme at the top of the vid 10/10
@forisrex
@forisrex 3 года назад
i tried to find the full article but couldnt but noel decordova put out a deck on the mothership in early jan 2009 where not only did he want to kill the opponent, but do it in real style. if you have rain of gore they not only lose infinite amount of times, they did losing an increasing amount of life each time (he had illusion of grandeur and greater gargadon for "win conditions"). its not the door kill i wish id see (yeah, yeah, i know, i know but still....) but this is a pretty close 2nd
@blue9393
@blue9393 3 года назад
He’s evolving
@nickhaupt1072
@nickhaupt1072 3 года назад
That opener XD
@shepardthemailman
@shepardthemailman 3 года назад
Saffron's shelfs are exactly how I imagined
@fizzywizzy0
@fizzywizzy0 3 года назад
I just hope that we can see this deck "win" one time!
@builttolast9174
@builttolast9174 3 года назад
This is literally peak Against The Odds
@mikes6605
@mikes6605 3 года назад
Nice
@hotcoldman9793
@hotcoldman9793 3 года назад
I can't believe you got that 😃
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 3 года назад
Honestly, me either.
@Jamie261090
@Jamie261090 3 года назад
Does [Lich's Mirror] interact with [Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose] to make your opponent lose 20+ life? My first instinct is "no", but there are some confusing rules around state-based events (i.e. losing the game) and "looking back in time" (see rule 603.10f). If Vito doesn't work, there's always Vizkopa Guildmage. That card's effect isn't tied to a permanent so it doesn't matter if everything gets shuffled back in :)
@Wolfenstein3000
@Wolfenstein3000 3 года назад
Seems like Lich's Mirror would work in an Epic Spell deck
@ezraaxel1720
@ezraaxel1720 3 года назад
I love the intro...
@chuckstevens4985
@chuckstevens4985 3 года назад
The first opponent made my brain feel like mush.
@pedros4253
@pedros4253 3 года назад
he actually did it. he actually built a deck w/ the mirror
@megacherv
@megacherv 3 года назад
Intro gave me a good giggle 😁😁😁
@sushiske
@sushiske 3 года назад
@YayapLives
@YayapLives 3 года назад
Two player secretly running litch's mirror/donate in a group game would be pretty funny. Obviously it dies too artifact removal but it's still funny.
@ianv.5831
@ianv.5831 3 года назад
So question: Why not try to win using lich's mastery(mirror) using sanguin bond and damage life loss doubling effects? In essence, fling yourself?
@ctomsky
@ctomsky 3 года назад
OMG Seth, LOL! This was hysterical. But you know you could have just used Infect, right? :P
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 3 года назад
Yeah, I considered Infect, but I'm actually not sure that is easier than the lifegain prevention plan.
@SpektralJo
@SpektralJo 3 года назад
Would it be easier to win with infect than with damage plus an extra lifegain prevention Card?
@MrNesgamefreak
@MrNesgamefreak 3 года назад
I want that goldfish plushie
@vbkllr
@vbkllr 3 года назад
Deck tech is the most important part of the video.
@blackmist33
@blackmist33 3 года назад
This kinda stuff is hilarious, what a interesting thing to have to deck build around. If you get donated a lich's mirror and then die to commander damage, does it continuously retrigger?
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 3 года назад
Yeah, it should work that was in Commander!
@cloaking111
@cloaking111 3 года назад
Imagine how good the soul sisters matchup is though
@siddharthajesus
@siddharthajesus 3 года назад
*humble soul sisters player sits down to play some casual games of modern, dont care if they win or lose just plays for fun and loves serra ascendants* *sees turn 0 leyline of punishment*
@Zentenski
@Zentenski 3 года назад
I am pretty curious about if the last opponent had anything to say about the insanity^^
@faceoctopus4571
@faceoctopus4571 3 года назад
Next time you build a deck trying to draw the game, I recommend Divine Intervention in legacy.
@morendin12319
@morendin12319 3 года назад
Yey asdf reference in 2021 👍😎
@princeLaharl2
@princeLaharl2 3 года назад
the winning the game step tho
@eap-yb1co
@eap-yb1co 3 года назад
Someone, somewhere, told Seth to complain as Door to Nothingness and this is what he came up with.
@JTakasa
@JTakasa 2 года назад
And thus, Skynet is born.
@winterbreaksable
@winterbreaksable 3 года назад
Just watching you top deck leylines and boarderposts hurt my soul.
@dustyfox6511
@dustyfox6511 3 года назад
The mad man did it. He created Divine Intervention in modern.
@T1_True_Bob
@T1_True_Bob 3 года назад
So I don't think mirror actually just an unplayable card, as you were saying, because there is actually a combo with it that is kind of bonkers. That said, given some of the cards I am about to name, you might understand while it's not well known. The goal is to get a channel active and a mirror on the battlefield (potentially turn one via black lotus). Then you channel yourself down to 0 life. At this point, mirror activates, drawing a new hand. However, channel is still active and the manna you got from it is still floating, which means if you can draw another mirror you can float a bunch more manna and draw 7 again. If you did it off lotus, you have G and a bunch of colorless floating, still haven't used your land drop (though you could have done that at any point to float a mana of any other color) and a whole bunch of colorless floating, which can hopefully win the game in some fashion. Is this janky as hell? Absolutely. Is there a way to replicate that combo in modern? Almost certainly not. That said, this does make mirror slightly more played than some actually unplayable cards.
@T1_True_Bob
@T1_True_Bob 3 года назад
Figured out a modern combo alternative, which works on a similar path of abilities still being active despite your board being reset. This combo requires three parts. First is a mirror. Second is a copy of vizkopa gildmage, and third is a way to pay any amount of life. For the sake of this example, let's say you have a hex parasite (you can activate it's ability x=0, paying two life) and a 'caves of koilios' which allows you to ensure your life total is even. So the goal is to get all three on the battlefield. Then, you pay three mana to activate guildmage's ability, where when you gain life this turn your opponent looses that much life. You then start activating the parasite's ability, moving 0 counters. (note- you are not required to target a permanent with counters on it, just that you have a target) Doing this, you pay all your life. Mirror triggers. You shuffle your board back into your library, new hand, etc. You then go to 20 life, which means you gain 20 life since you were at 0. Guildmage's ability (which is still active, even though the mage is gone) says 'okay, each opponent looses 20 life'. So if your opponent is at 20 life or fewer, they just loose the game. Not a great combo, but an example of the same type of effect useable in the modern format.
@xquizate8777
@xquizate8777 3 года назад
15:25 would you say that the match was sooo Close-thys?
@nickstrain8376
@nickstrain8376 3 года назад
Hey Seth. I think this deck could maybe even try to draw by donating the mirror AND a leyline
@mrpinguimninja
@mrpinguimninja 3 года назад
This video got me thinking: what would happen if the game ended in a draw while one of the players had a permanent that prevents them from losing the game?
@poweredbythor2120
@poweredbythor2120 3 года назад
Well they wouldn't be losing, they'd be drawing, so it wouldn't make a difference?
@pootshihi22
@pootshihi22 3 года назад
Why does Simian Spirit Guide look like that during the wrap-up?
@imakuni67
@imakuni67 3 года назад
Would a 'good' Lich's Mirror deck work. Like, a bunch of suspend cards?
@ericowings8310
@ericowings8310 3 года назад
I'm in a giving mood, LMAO
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