actually scott, clown is SSS tier because while facing him, you can watch his belly jiggle, and if hes using mr puddles, then you get to face a mr puddles.
@@sirisaac6225 if you solo que don't let these guys lead you wrong team mates are 100 percent useless and self care is recommended if you running alone
Meanwhile there's me who just abuses the fuck out of his portals and only ever shreds at window vaults because I have the aim of a malnourished ethiopian child soldier wielding an AK that hasn't been cleaned since the cold war
@@unregisteredassaultbutterk1185 You say abuse like Demo doesn’t have a 9000 second cool down on his portals, even if they were on quicker cool downs there’s no real advantage to using them except for travelling across the map more often, 2 seconds of undetectable gets you like 5 steps away from the portal which is default btw and useless when Demo makes so much noise coming out, the only real solid use is the instinct heartbeat when someone’s on the actual portal which only displays when you hold the shred pose, Demo might be fun to go against and one of the cooler looking killers, but as demo a against any decent survivors is to be bullied, unless of course you’ve got 10,000 hours of Demo and even then your gonna have a hard time.
@@TheCheekPunisher the near-instantaneous map traversal is nothing to scoff at, they're pretty good for totem defense (I love Devour) and it's good for cheesing with the basement and tricking survivors into thinking you've left an area. I still don't have much time on him tho, I main Pig most of the time
@@unregisteredassaultbutterk1185 I’ve got heaps of time on him so I know all the gimmicks, yea his portal totem defence is strong with devour once it’s got 3 stacks but before then you can’t really afford to be patrolling the totem and checking it constantly it can cost you the game, his best add on is grey lol, he’s good at denying window loops with long lines of sight on the windows with shred fakes, portals are not instant either, you’ve got the digging animation, the travelling animation, and the arrival animation, it’s reasonably fast, but not instant like hag, I honestly don’t know if the sound que is still in the game for survivors but it used to be every time Demo would use the portals survivors could hear the Demo yell from anywhere on the map, I think he needs the wraith treatment where a couple of his add ons are added to his base kit, such as the grey shred speed one, the purple increased undetectable duration on portal arrival add on, and maybe a slight time shave off the portal use cool down, otherwise the portal travel speed add ons themselves need a buff that decreases the digging animation as well as the travel animation, I think these additions would strengthen the Demo at higher ranks without placing lower rank survivors at risk.
why is this surprising? I play killers I find to be the most universally fun. I love playing Spirit but know everyone hates her so I stopped maining her
@@ScottJund I don't really find it that surprising, I mean I enjoy playing Pig, so I enjoy going against her just as much. Although, I get clapped by rank 1, 4 man key + map x2 medkit/toolbox, OoO, decisive strike, dead hard, adrenaline, Haddenfield swf every now and then, but that's what makes this game so enjoyable. Not every match is a automatic win, and even when you get demolished, you still end up learning something valuable (Well usually anyways).
@@ScottJund it’s not surprising at all, I think everyone feels that way. For example I main Hag, and I actually love playing against Hags and trying to predict where they’ll place traps.
I only hate going against 6 killers, which are Nurse, Pig, Hag, Tunnel head,Bubba and Plague. If you hate going against 16 out of the 21 killers, than at that point, you just hate playing survivor in general. I only dislike these killers because of a very specific aspect of their kit, like pig's rng head-pop.
@@ridzy2372 Not necessarily. Playing as Killer sucks most of the time too. One being regularly shit, and the other being dogshit, doesn't mean that either of them are any less shit
I think Billy should get his own tier. Every time I see a Billy, it puts a smile on my face. If it's a curve billy, the smile won't go away as long as the match is going on.
@@ScottJund @Nerb Eworc Legion imo is the most underrated fun killer to go against. Pallet chicken is hilarious, hiding around a corner while they’re in their power is funny, 360ing them out of their power is also super satisfying. Legion is B tier imo
Really surprised to see all the praise for Bubba, his standout gameplay just seems to amount to "chainsaw around loops, force the pallet drop or get a hit" to me, otherwise just getting free instadowns at deadzones. I've never found him very fun to play as or against, much less to play against now that it's borderline impossible to 360 his entire power, which was always a top ten twitch pog moment kind of thing.
Or in ranks between 15-20 every game i had first person he catches he would facecamp even if theres 5 gens left i had to go out of my way to get ds deliverance dead hard and borrowed time to counter him cos all my games i had was leatherface not a single one played a different way
@@jameswalsh9840 agreed, it’s a shitty camping game with bubba. No other killer camps as hard and a tunneling death slinger is not as bad. At least you have a chance against him.
“I don’t want to give huntress shit because the bad hit boxes aren’t part of her design” And then he criticised Ghostface for something that was not part of his design at all and simply an example of BHVRs inability to fix major problems. And yes I know he said the base killer is fine but I’m just salty that ghostface is still broken.
Trapper is in F tier because a good trappet doesn’t chase much but for wraith he places him, based on bad/decent players. This whole tier list isn’t the best. It needs more rules, like are you going to place killers based on the best players, or decent players, are we taking addons into consideration etc.
I find that he gets revealed too easily, there've been many times where I've been revealed by survivors that I don't even have line of sight to, like the undetectable will just suddenly end and I'll see killer instinct through a wall in front of me without ever seeing a survivor.
Hot take... Bubba's "locker" counterplay is the most annoying thing going up against him with the terrible latency in this game. A lot of times when you time it just as his tantrum ends, you still get locker grabbed when you've practically already fully exited the locker instead of just getting M1'd. Incredibly frustrating.
I also find Freddy kinda fun but I think it's mostly because I enjoy the atmosphere of playing against him, the blood coming out of gens, the sleep world look, etc. He just makes thing look creepy and I enjoy that.
you can still juke the hatchets if you’re better than the Huntress. Going against an omega Spirit (mother daughter ring + amulet) on the other hand, is the most overpowered addon combo in the game, even worse than iri head + infantry belt.
@@joelwino8673 I mean yea that’s true for survivor but to say playing trapper is boring is just not true especially when traps can be disarmed and you now get max 5 escape attempts not including add ons so he weak getting value of good trap placements is satisfying and fun for the killer player
Honestly Scott, the content you're putting out right now is really refreshing, These tier lists are really helpful, I'm also liking the energy in these videos. Great job as always - spartan
Bruh how tf is bubba A tier. Who starts a match and goes “Oh boy it’s bubba!” Absolutely bottom tier. Oni is the only killer that I legit laugh when he giga sprints across the map to curb stomp me
He's a killer that you can outplay as easily as he can outplay you, thats what makes him fun. As long as he doesn't facecamp the shit out of you, but even then you should feel honored that good boy bubba chose you
agreed - no more fun killer to counter than Huntress. Just the fact that shes slow, and slows down while aiming opens up the possibility for jukes that dont apply to a lot of other killers. Definitely the most fun killer to face.
Was sitting in a queue watching wondering why myers was almost F, and then I got him. I died all three times to him having 99 stalked. I completely understand now.
Hey if you ever need content, I'm sure a lot of us wouldn't mind just uploading (parts of) stream vods. I'll never get tired of watching you play Oni or Huntress, personally.
@@ScottJund I was talking about just straight vod footage instead of editing into videos, and feeling the need to cherry-pick "interesting" or "good" games. I can't watch twitch at all due to it not being compatible with my internet, and I'm sure at least a portion of your RU-vid audience doesn't regularly watch the livestreams for whatever reason, so just taking any and all content from there and reuploading it here could be a solution. If you care about viewer retention, (which tends to go down as videos get longer) just chop them up into shorter videos.
@@karlbrady8963 lopro chains will get you 2 hits on a good game. The overheat hurts Billy's who constantly saw and use it to get around. The rework sucked and made him super boring to play.
@@bigbrainonimain9226 I still love him tbh. I'll agree though most his addons suck but I just run brown overheat and the dads boots. Only issue is his weird fov issues but shadowborn can rectify that
The pig is easily my favorite killer to verse. Idk why, but I love big braining the shit out of pig games. It's so fun guessing the perks and addons of the person you're going up against, and I know every pig addon by name and numbers. It's euphoric having that trap slapped on your head and going "ooh ooh! 5 jigsaw boxes! That means shes running a jigsaw addon!"
When I first started playing this game, back when I still thought this was supposed to be a horror game, ghost face was my favorite to encounter. When he popped out from behind a wall, it scared the crap out of me and was so fun with friends! I miss those days haha
I really like the Blight, and as you said I will be playing him once his height is fixed. I’ve been told I’m good at him when I do play him, I just hated not being able to see anything. Good to here that he’s as fun to go against as he is to play!
I don't understand Freddy mains. He's the only killer I can think of who is annoying/boring to play against and yet boring to play as at the same time. At least Clown has some charisma, Freddy is just a scrawny discord mod who "patrols" hooks all day because he doesn't have to worry about BT. He's like survs who run nothing but 2nd chance perks every day, so obsessed with winning they forgot to have fun and they've become worse at the game because of how reliant they are on their setups.
Just like ds existing makes killer think twice when picking up someone, I love the _possibility_ of the killer being ghostface the few 30 first seconds of the match
I'm sort of glad he recorded this live so we could get that moment where he realised most of the killers in the game aren't fun to play against. :'D And then on top of that the ones that are in the top half you rarely see besides Bubba and a lot of those DO camp hooks. And on top of THAT a lot of the ones in C are there on an average, knowing they can also be incredibly unfun. :') This is just... _chef's kiss_ EDIT: Momentarily forgot he put Huntress at S, who I personally hate playing against. Idk if it's an EU thing or not but MAN are people playing her not fun.
@@logan9176 Facecamping basement insidious bubba. They take insidious and iron grasp, chase someone and put them in the basement, then stand in the corner and become undetectable thanks to insidious. Then when someone comes to the hook they chainsaw them for the insta down and repeat until people escape or die. It's not particularly strong, because all the survivors need to do is gen rush up top, but basically it means the first person to get hooked is fucked, and anyone who tries to play altruistic is also completely fucked, and it's no fun for the survivors at all. Naturally not every bubba is like this but I've played against a lot and it's about as unfun in my opinion as iri head huntress with ebony mori, except that iri head EM huntress has no counter play, basement bubba really only affects one person if you're a SWF, because your friend can simply tell you that he's face camping and therefore you can just go do gens and only one person dies. Still no fun for that person, but it has some counterplay at least.
Huntress drops to F real quick if using iri head and she can hit hatchets. That set up, with the questionable hitboxes (because of servers or ping or whatever else), is far and away my least favorite thing to go against as survivor.
Probably because it genuinely isn't the Huntress player's fault. They see what they see, not whatever bullshit ends up happening because of desync. Unless they're throwing hoping for BS hits I guess? :'D But that's kinda silly. Meanwhile, a Ghost Face player will just stand there staring at you while you stare at him because they _know_ how jank it is and that's infuriating.
I'm surprised you put Oni so far away from myers. He feels a bit like him, your teammates feeds him and you get one shot with little counter-play (if you are on an unsafe gen for example).
only difference is that Myers doesnt zoom like a madman and doesnt actually have to deal with your teammate slopping or throw pallets to feed, just watching And he dont zoom
Which is why you don't do unsafe gens when you don't have info on the killer. Oni has global audio cues though and otherwise, you're the one feeding if you take an M1 because you stuck to a bad gen. Real question is: How does Scott find it fun to face a good curve Billy, talk about how it has counterplay, then say Oni is relatively just as fun? Oni to me seems like Billy but with a boring early game and less counterplay, so what makes Oni so similarly fun?
@@Pfonyx lol corner jukes won’t work against an oni who has played him more than once or twice unless the person just doesn’t understand him at all. that’s why most experienced onis cut corners wide as well when demon dashing. you have more chances of not going down to an experienced Myers in his T3 than to an Oni in his power. Myers in T3 is still an insta-down 115 M1 killer with a slightly larger lunge and vault speed & you can loop him normally
@@mugpython of course but smart survivors know when to do it, if you see an oni coming around wide i just hold w and get behind something he cant flick around if i failed to stay in a safe position, most times i barely hold w against oni and will stay on a single tile until he gives up. I vs scoot (highest kills on oni globally) daily and it is evident that most onis dont play like him so i save the special jukes for those god tier scary onis and lost them on line of sight like i do to nurse
I'm actually really enjoying the "padding" videos, I think it's a nice switch up from gameplay videos to have some discussion of game mechanics or just for fun Also I definitely would have put trapper above twins/hag/freddy, with him I can at least appreciate the skill of a carefully set trap and that it was a tradeoff of set up time against gen time
Scott: "It sucks going up against a Myers who 99ed his stalk on other survivors to down you." Scott: *plays and highly ranks Oni, who can injure two random survivors and instadown you, your teammates, your mother, and your cow.*
They're not even comparable. A Myers can sneak up to you with his baby dick terror radius and just instantly pop tier 3 on you with almost no time to react. Oni has a normal terror radius that you can react to, and a decently long activation time for his power
@@VFG204 Yeah but a long activation doesn't do shit if you're in a dead zone or don't have an exhaustion perk. Oni can snowball like Buddy the Elf; if you're in his terror radius, you're in danger. And that's ignoring that Scott's build of choice on Oni features both Infectious Fright and Monitor and Abuse to basically make him like Myers and allow him to get that first hit and then snowball when he activates his power.
@@kimberlyterasaki4843 But he's nothing like Myers, even with Monitor. Myers has a 16 meter terror radius at tier 2 (not including dead rabbit or monitor on him) and Oni has a 24 meter terror radius with Monitor, and a 32 without it. Getting that sneaky insta-down is way easier with Myers than it is with Oni. Even if you go down quickly against Oni, it's always more fun to go down when the Oni outplays you, while his position is very known, rather than Myers just sneaking up to you and instantly downing you. Obviously, this is subjective, though.
Mikey deserved way better. You are constantly looking to see if he is stalking, never know if he is about to pop tier 3, and the music adds greatly to the experience. You are constantly filled with dread, as long as the killer player is not terrible. My favorite Killer to go against.
I love going against Blight, too. He feels very fair as a Killer as well. I need more experience against him though so I really do hope the POV change makes more people pick him up.
Scott has such an open mind lol. Like I was just expecting all the best killers to be at the bottom and the worst to be at the top because it's easier to play against them. Good on you
I enjoy playing against Huntress because that Lullaby is something I just find myself humming along to, not to mention chases with her and narrowly evading hatches is just nice-
I hate going against bubba purely because while I have no issue dealing with him, I solo queue a lot and I never seem to get teammates who can successfully loop him for longer than 10 seconds. Makes it extremely frustrating because everyone is dead on hook like 2m into the game and I end up doing 4 gens and getting 6 hook rescues, and still not escaping. Not to mention half the bubbas I find just insidious facecamp all game.
Yeah, I definitely enjoy seeing him so long as his insta-kill add-ons aren’t in play. Honestly, I think Ghost Face would be in a good spot too if his stupid reveal mechanic actually worked.
20:20 as a Twins main, he is absolutely correct, dont forget to put victor next to the hook before you pickup the slug or you wont be able to leave victor next to the hooked victim
but the only counter play is being awake which can stay awake majority of the time because majority of the time you playing against the clock more than freddy and going all the way to the other side map can waste so much time just to stay awake for 30 seconds
Interesting to hear how you feel about the trap killers. I find them fun to play against for a similar reason to Nurse, the chase changes a lot depending on the map. Keeping track of where the killer has been, knowing where they have trapped (and in Trapper's case, managing snapping them) changes the game a lot for me from most M1 killers. But, your point is pretty solid, a good trap killer will just not take chases in areas they can't win or they chase you as an M1 killer and lose. Enjoyed the video!
I’d put demogorgon in at least a tier. It’s the only non-human killer, and it always feels like you are truly being hunted down when he chases you. Also it’s chase music is arguably the best in the game.
I thought Myers was a killer than was universally loved to play against. People enjoy the spoopy nature of the characters ability. Scratched mirror is one of the most fun add-ons to go against.
@@neneray310 I've always considered scratched mirror the "meme" add-on. Where you go into the game trying to have fun with no intention of actually 4k'ing. Just scaring survivors. Camping hooks with SM is scummy but also an outlier.
I mean, I think it really depends on how people play him. A lot of people dont really play him well IMO. Scratched Mirror Myers is my most favourite build because I actually get hits from people who dont know from which angle I am coming. I chase people by pretending to leave them. Sometimes actually leaving them but because they can never be sure if I actually left them, they will always be guessing and looking around them. And yes, if you're a full tryhard team, T1 Myers can be boring, especially if that Myers doesnt know how to keep you guessing. Essentially, I am fully of the opinion that if you think T1 Myers is boring to face against, you simply havent faced a Myers that used the aura readings in his own favor. T1 Myers isnt about the first hit being free, he is about tricking you into thinking he is coming from a totally different angle. The only downside is that The Game is heavily nerfed for Myers to a point where you can see him coming on at least 50% of the map where you previously could not(staircases are see-through, the droproom no longer has high walls but low tables, upstairs no longer has walls and very low objects). Which is all done to make it more fun for Huntress, Deathslinger and Billy to play on, sure, but they have plenty of maps that are fun to play on and dont really need to rely on specific offerings to work. I really wish they made more maps Myers, Pig and Trapper friendly instead of making them Huntress friendly.
@@Predated2 I am a Myers/Trapper main, so I am used to the low tier struggle, and I agree with all of what you said. I still think that Myers is a super fun character to go against since his kit is so simple (and yes, outdated sadly). When I play survivor, I always despise going against Huntress, Spirit, and Blight because of their range and speed respectively. I suppose this "fun to play against" discourse is all down to personal playstyle and overall enjoyment of the player in question.
i feel like there arent enough good representations of top tier pyamid head players for people to really grasp the enjoyment of his chase. his power is punishing to use and he requires a loud, and generous animation to prepare his power, giving you time to react and know whats happening. it can hit through walls and this gives him very good anti loop potential but only if you loop according to m1 chase. paying attention to what attack state he's in and making reads on his prediction shots make him very enjoyable to go against for me, and people who go against me so ive heard. pyramid head is very difficult to loop for without being hit, however if you make accurate reads he can be looped just as long as a normal m1 killer, but with the extra fun of dodging, baiting and predicting his shots or his calling out his mind games. pyramid heads very equal risk equal reward in a 1v1 chase. of course things like a stealth pyramid head build with nurses calling basically has no counterplay other than react to the .5 seconds of life you have when you hear the subtle shink of the sword through 2-3 walls from 10.5 meters away.... but in a chase pyramid head has to make a hard guess to land his m2 or bait a survivor into eating a free m1, and the survivor has to make an equally hard guess in order to dodge the m2 and gain free distance... or call out the fake, and make the vault/pallet or just run around the loop another time. any killer that has to make a guess that has close to equal give and take for both sides is very fun and interactive in my opinion. i have however played with a hysteria-dark devotion- nurses calling pyramid head build and found that if you dont engage in normal chases, and simply use lack of information to the survivors to get free hits than he becomes alot stronger, and alot less counterable. even survivors who catch on and react to the subtle sound que before the hit, they still gotta guess weather to move left or right because a simple directional flick on prediction to the movement is all it would take to still land the hit.
Very solid list. I play dbd for ALMOST 2 months and I'm RANK 4 Survivor so I don't have a lot of experience in high level play, but I agree with most of what you said. I don't like most tier lists, but I think this tier list reflects how fun is to play against the killers even in different ranks.
I literally hate playing against bubba, I see him and want to die. I feel like there's not a whole lotta counterplay. At a pallet, he zoom zoomin. Either predrop and he'll mow you down. He'll catch up one way or another
I like playing against hags because I am a hag main myself.I really like seeing how they use her ability and predicting her traps. Playing against average hags has gotten fun because I know exactly how to counter them because average hags play hag exactly like how people expect people to play her. They place traps at loops and hooks and nowhere else, so I know when I go to a loop she’s gonna have it trapped. So I set off the trap at the pallet and just go to the other side and drop it as she swings. If you want be a strong hag player you have to be unique. Only place your traps at really strong loops and pallets and focus more on placing your traps where survivors would be going while not being chased like gens, hallways, and paths you think they will take. A 110% killer can still easily and quickly down someone on a weak pallet, so don’t bother wasting any traps on easy pallets when you would be better off just placing a trap in the middle of nowhere, because that’s where survivors are gonna be.
Spirit and nurse are two of my favorites. I can mindgame nurses because I'm random. Me deciding to run or double back or go to the side is 100% random.
@@mrdoomman97 as a spirit main I wish this interaction to be removed, and hope that others that do main her share my sentiment, and I apologize on the spirit main community's behalf...
@@connorm2004 imo as some one who plays spirit extensively. All she needs to something that gives survivors something to work with in chase. Rn it's all guesses. An idea me and a lot of other spirit players had was add a small glimpse similar to her passive phase that then gets replaced with her husk. This would happen every couple seconds and the spirit would have to time it to do husk mindgames. This would make her significantly more interactive in chase but she would still be really strong. Tell me what you guys think
@@mrdoomman97 well spirits power is based entirely on sound and you cant track what you cant hear. If so many people didnt use iron will, spirits wouldn't use stridor
I don't understand what a Freddy main's goal in life is, almost all the other killers that are annoying/boring to play against are at least fun to play as, but Freddy is so ass that his rework made him both bullshit to play against and boring to play as
@@unregisteredassaultbutterk1185 You see, there are a lot of players who want rank 1, but lack the skill to get there. Those players usually run the broken addons (perma tier 3 myers, irihead, iri king,...) because they need it to win. Kinda the same reason with anyone hacking in any game: They got tired of losing, and the only way they can have fun is by choosing the easy way.
@@THESWEETEHUN.2R People are generally bad yeah but all people need to do is run Swing Chains, Jump Rope: BBQ/Pop/Sloppy/Thanatophobia like i do and they'll get there super fast. No red add-ons for killers or moris needed at all
As a mediocre survivor and a bad Oni player, I hate going against Onis because I hate the fact that you rely on your team to not give him blood. Also v slug heavy
Pig is the most boring killer in the game. Most Pigs I go against catch one survivor, put a trap on his head and tunnel him for the rest of the game so he can't remove his trap. Then other survivors come to help, fall into a trap to her stupid game and usually only 1 survivor escapes. I had one instance where she followed me around the entire map, saw that the key was in the last jigsaw box, ran towards it, crouched infront of it so my trap would go off cause she wasn't in chase with me and there was nothing I could do. Because of those reasons + her add ons are crap, she is the most boring killer to play and to go up against. I'd rather play against the slugging Twins than her.
I main twins, and there's something I have to say here. Yes, they are designed to camp. That is the point... CAMPING DOES NOT MEAN HOOKS. YOU CAN CAMP OTHER THINGS. As a matter of fact we all know that you can't even switch within I believe 6 - 10 meters of a hook. AKA out of shriek radius. Survivors obsessing over a gen? Victor. Keep going to heal in one place? Victor. One gen in your three gen far from the other two? Victor. They are designed to camp, but it's INTENTIONALLY significantly more difficult to camp hooks, exit gates, and even the hatch. They all have a radius when your power becomes unusable. Face camping isn't fun, for anyone, but you literally don't have the ability to face camp while you're somewhere else.
The average Huntress is actually really not fun to play against because the average Huntress just proxy camps hooks. 9/10 Huntresses I play against do this.
That's why she wasn't F. Because if you go against a bad to mid level nurse, you can juke her out, if it's a good nurse you simply have no input, you are just going down. Personally I think it doesn't matter the level of nurse, it's always trash, if it's a good nurse I have no point in trying, if it's a bad nurse I have no effort needed.
@@deadzoneternity maybe on mobile there just aren’t many good nurses, but my games against nurse are always pretty fun, although it does get really annoying when she chases you for like ten whole minutes and you have to keep running back and moving unpredictably.
@@thatfishguy4991 My point being even if it's a bad nurse, you pretty much have no input on the chase, it's just s bad killer so she'll probably miss just from you stopping. If you think you can move unpredictably and prevent a hit from nurses realize the same "unpredictable," movement doesn't stop a huntress from hitting you either. Think of nurse as a huntress hatchet that if it misses can just throw itself again, and doesn't need to be reloaded.
@@deadzoneternity moving unpredictably has saved me from numerous nurse blinks, but, as I said, I play mobile, so I’m sure the nurses on mobile aren’t as experienced (also nurse is like impossible on mobile).
I just had a match where the Oni was a rank 19 and had no idea what he was doing and wasted his entire power charging into a pallet because he thought he would automatically smash it, best match of my life right there, aka amazing killer to play against
Maybe I should elaborate why. I find it decently interesting to go against a Killer that just straight up will get that first hit, but struggles to get the second. Staying injured keeps me more interested in the match and since Legion encourages me to not heal, they interest me more in the match. Also hearing them yell whenever they exit Frenzy is really funny to me. I'm a Legion main myself so it only makes sense that I like playing against him.
I'm the ghostface: too bad, you got revealed by someone as far away as possible who barely glanced in your direction Playing against the ghostface: You noticed him and barely started to reveal him? Too bad, you looked away for one frame before you processed he was there, you don't get to reveal him for the next hour. Oh you see him? Well he's crouching in an open field so I don't know. Oh he's standing up in the shack's doorway just 10 meters away? Sorry, he moved 1 millimeter backwards, he's completely hidden now
If you say that you probably never versed a really good nurse... trust me. If you play against a really good nurse you are already done for the moment she sees you in mid range
