Narcissistic Social Disorder | Part 1 | Dr. Paul A. Taylor & Richard Grannon 

More of this please. It makes me miss the bliss of days in college studying humanistic psychology and philosophy. Nomnomnom

Great talk. Thought provoking. I attended college 30 years ago, at the tail end of when you could still spitball any idea in philosophy class without getting 'cancelled.'

As a Sociologist myself I enjoyed your Discussion! Richard you should really, really read Hartmut Rosa!

this is absolutely fascinating, i would love to hear Dr. Taylor's reading recommendations after such a thought provoking conversation.

Looking forward to many more with Dr Paul

I'd rather listen to this than 95% of what's on RU-vid. Fall of Civilization's channel is another recent, great discovery, So far the election's going just as chaotic as I thought it would.

Just wanted to say again how fascinating this conversation is. The axioms at the Temple of Apollo feel particularly pertinent for our times. Saved this, can't wait for Part II!

Thankyou. Good to get away from current war/ covid coverage. Looking forward to more of this.❤

Brilliant analysis! Can't wait for the next wonderful conversation! Thank you Richard, Dr Taylor is an excellent guest. Haven't been so excited by a conversation in a good long while. Can't believe I have never heard of Dr Taylor - what a find!!!

Fascinating information!!! Thank you both so much!

Thank you for taking the time and energy to tackle topics, that are probably unintuitive pieces of content when it comes to monetization... It enriches my life and I suspect that many others feel the same way.

08:00 I am a carpenter, i participate in Quora sometimes asking and very rarely giving responses and opinions, i lost account of the number of people who tries to insult me because of my profession when they disapprove of what i write, and even of what i ask, that type of shaming happens a lot too i am afraid and here i am listening to you two

A whole series....that is a great news.

32:25 there is actually rules in the bull running of Pamplona and people get fines or expelled if they are drunk or touch the bull for example, these are rules that are also implemented by the locals not just the police, because the goal of the run is not just stupid risk but a beautiful run with the bulls, controlled risk

Fantastic discussion - feel starved for content like this!

WOW. the mind of doc paul taylor. i'm always interested in richard's initial calling to his work. a girl brought here, hurt him here - like nietzsche's 'muck into gold.' this is gold.

I can tell u I once met a psychologist who took no responsibility of a younger Psychopath who later killed a nine year old....he was new to the world of psychology. I worked with battered women who protected the children.dicernments gentlemen.. There are all types of freedoms

Extra info - Richard and I did an interview on his “Richard Grannon & Friends” RU-vid channel which provides some additional background to these issues

More please. Very interesting.

I really appreciate the leverage Dr Taylor allows the Spanish culture of symbilism in bullfighting:action having consequences, and also his argument for which life of a bull would suit him. It's a great argument. I personally always rooted for the bull in bullfighting because the idea of making a spectacle of the death of an innocent animal to celebrate the machismo of a man waving a cape makes me sick. I couldn't say I virtue signaled that bc I never really verbalized it I don't think, I just remember seeing the gorings and thinking "that's what you get for brutalizing an animal"...but it doesn't also make me despise Pablo Picasso who adored the running of the bulls and the bullfights and I haven't thrown away the painting my mom's aunt made of a matador (it's beautiful and I wouldn't even if my virtue held up otherwise) and I still eat meat. So...but I do realize I'm a hypocrite...although I appreciate the exercise of finding those hypocrisies and trying to think better and do better because of the micro to macro shift those changes tend to take. The death penalty I will never change my mind about. Certainly as crime skyrockets herein the US, and more sadistic and brutal criminals flourish, I can only hope more states in the US come to their senses. Yes, innocent men will die, but that is all the more reason to have The Innocence Project and similar measures to close those pitfalls. This is one I will come back to watch. Really fulfilling way to spend my time. Thank you both!

If this world ever turns upside-down, and we get a second chance, we should start teaching philosophy as a skill from the first grade of primary school. People generally don't think. Not thinking is the root of many problems. Nor does anyone teach children how to think (only what to think). And thinking starts with asking a question not necessarily addressed to anyone else. An enjoyable conversation (although the wrong title). I am looking forward to the next one. You both can share a place at my dinner table. But why link it all to narcissism? If we look for it (or anything else for that matter), we'll find it in anything and anywhere. It doesn't have to be narcissism every time we talk about our feelings or the opinions we create from them. We always look at anything from our point of view (and we are mainly all hypocrites). If we call that narcissism, then we all are narcissists. And everything could be narcissistic behavior. In the end, we'll call it human behavior. Draw the line between the 'real deal' that seriously affects lives and different shades of self-love and adoration. Or choose which subject you'll focus on. Maybe talking more about this life "behind the mirror" (that is more than ever lived today) would be eye-opening for some people. Why are we doing it, and how is it affecting us? We often hear how social media affects young people. I noticed much more damage done in the lives of not-so-young people. And no one is talking about that. Spot on with that story about taking pictures of food. I used to find that annoying until I realised it is just making me sad to see people not living their lives and not being aware of it. And we only have one to live. It is passing us by while we stare at the screen. Friends come back from holidays, and they organise picture viewings. They will show pictures of every little detail, plates with food, drinks, bathroom tiles, stains on their hotel room carpet, etc. But they come back without any new experience, no exciting stories, newly gained knowledge, and no real taste of the places they visited. They were too busy taking pictures to enjoy it. And life should be lived to be enjoyed. OK, we were taking pictures even before social media life. But they somehow used to make sense. We would capture good memories and some 'real' staff, and not bathroom tiles. I was observing people in the zoo. They spend just enough time in front of every animal to take a picture and no time to look at the real thing. I guess they will do that when they get home. What is it about that? Do we need to see it on the screen to believe it? Do we need pictures to get someone else's approval that our trip was worth taking? Why is it that others' opinion (and mainly strangers', if posting on social media) is more important than our own? Did we become afraid to think (for ourselves)? We are very much opinionated but still not thinking. Is real life around us so tedious and ordinary (including our family, real and alive friends, people, and nature) that we need to create a new one? How sad is it to see parents looking at the screens while their children patiently wait for their attention? Young beautiful people pass each other by on the street, not noticing each other because they are too busy finding friends online. Do we think we are too ordinary? Therefore we need to create new selves. Only to present that new image to people not close enough to see the real us. Or, we are just not sure we have a life until someone likes it?

🙏Thank you gentlemen.

So refreshing and thought provoking! Beyond self centred (serving) psychology and mass thinking … revealing existential perspectives 👍

Very interesting content Gentleman. Cheers 🥂

Absolutly great!!! thank you Richard! this was a fascinating discussion and an open mind topic! 🤗

Yes, I agree with the doctor on his point about young people not knowing how to argue. Why has the education system done away with debating clubs, for instance? So instead, the young will start an argument on topics over which they realize they really know nothing until they’re in the thick of it and then don’t know what to do about it. It’s not unlike watching a toddler get behind the wheel of a moving vehicle.

Really enjoyed this! 👍🏼 Looking forward to more.

What I see in the Narcissus painting, where the arms form a circle, is Reincarnation. Narcissus is looking at himself, as an older man, from a previous life. Reincarnation also represents Resurrection, and that word also sounds like Raise Erection. When one takes the scrambled "spell" off the word, Resurrection = Intercourser, but if you take the unnecessary "R" out of the word, it spells Intercourse. When you break down the word, Intercourse(r), Inter means, to bury in a grave, entomb. Inter- means, between, amid, among, or in the midst of, and then Course means, a sequence, a passage, to flow. So, one is buried and then in the midst of coursing passages of time. The word, Christians = His Narcist, and Christians are taught about Resurrection. Origen believed in reincarnation. Lastly, I think each letter symbol has more significance than meets the eye, for example, "S" looks like a snake; "B" looks like Breasts; "C" looks like a Curve; "P" looks like a Pregnant woman; the lower case "i" represents intercourse and the dot is the semen; "R" is perhaps the symbol for the pregnant woman giving birth, which is representative of Reincarnation; "H" is two people looking at each other Handshaking in agreement; and "E" is the Elephant with its trunk and two tusks. Anyway, just thought I'd share my perception:) Loved the talk! Thank you.

I'm a professional student, only cuz I've spent most of my life going to school, and I have acquired different degrees and licenses, which I learned a lot from such. Yet, most of my knowledge comes from what I've learned on my own whether is from doing my own research, or life experiences. I consider myself an autodidact cuz I've taught myself a lot of things since I was a little girl. I taught myself how to ride a bike, swim, saw, dance, sing, draw, do my own make up, hair, cook, clean, built homemade toys, among other things, etc. And of course academic education should not be only available to an elitist group of people, and in order to learn one doesn't have to attend a higher education institution, yet it does help with structure and has value in my opinion.

🙏🏻 Good talk Enjoyed it a lot

Loving this exsperience, more on the paintings and philosophy please The cautionary tale is often watered down in modern retelling. Another aspect is the representation of the conscious self longing to be unconscious. A potentially dangerous state to be in a dangerous environment. Blessings and thanks 💐

Excellent conversation guys, thank you for sharing it. :)

Very interesting... thanks 😊

Excellent podcast.👌 Gimme some more 🙏 Thanks for your work gentlemen 👍🏻

Fun chat. ❤️ …..now I’ll pay attention to more then the dirty words 🤪😂😂😂🤷🏻‍♀️❤️

Gripping stuff! Well done :-)

Have to comment about the women’s infertility portion of conversation: I could not help I had to have fertility treatment to have a child I very much wanted. I am also a dietitian and certified diabetes care and education specialist in US and let me tell you that there are MANY patients with diabetes who don’t give a shit about their disease and do absolutely nothing to help themselves- I mean they get disability payments from the government, get food stamps, get FREE diabetes and other meds and STILL don’t adhere to medication and nutrition requirements. So you can’t argue that infertility is something that shouldn’t be paid for because someone who has kidney disease might not get their dialysis. Work in my field and in a dialysis clinic for that matter and you will see some of the most helpless people because the CHOOSE to be. Which is more controllable idiopathic infertility or hypertension (granted can be very genetic), type 2 diabetes ( not preventable for all but for a large majority can be prevented)? Not comparable at all! The large majority of people on dialysis are people with uncontrolled HTN and DM type 2. Yes US needs to do better with prevention, but in no way is that a legitimate comparison.

I’m more of a solutions person. For me, it’s more like ok this is the problem and what do I need to do to solve the problem and get on with my life 🤷‍♀️

So I am not mentally ill, just a virtuous philosopher.

That's a smooooth almost Barry White like intro haha

So what is the working understanding of Narcissistic Social Disorder? That the collective as a supraorganism behaves in the defined narcissistic ways; images rather anything literary, closed loop self referral reality rather than common reality, etc And for the individual the same behavior therefore becomes an adaptive feature? Despite being predatory & parasitic to others in the collective still operating by pre-NSD norms?

Oh yay. Forgot I was waiting for this one. Thought maybe he was taking weekends off

Poor young soldiers on all sides. Cui Bono?

You literally look like Patrick Teahans older self.

I think it's k (ch or c, spelling?) sound if memory serves me from when I did art.

The bull and farmer analogy??? I'm not going to try with that.

Keep bothering us Paul!!

The only way I can see Brexit as being a left wing thing is: Many voters believed the hype about the UK being better of. I can’t see this ever happening. Who is to blame and hate for the disparity in wealth we have but the Tory party. I hate them

Kanye!

Those shoulders 🤤